Hello all!
So we've had a chat and have decided to make the expanded final a permanent thing for contests with more than 60 entrants. So we have decided to change the format rules of BJSC to the following:
Under 40 entrants: One Big Final \\ 18 Point System
40 - 59 entrants: Semi-Finals with 15 qualifiers and up to 2 AQ's. \\ Eurovision Voting System
60+ entrants: Semi-Finals with 19 qualifiers and 2 AQ's OR 20 qualifiers and 0/1 AQ's. \\ Eurovision Voting System - Semi's, 18 Point System - Final
That would make our finals 40/41 songs and ensure that more than half the participants qualify from the semi's.
Let us know what you think! We think this is the best way forwards and it only adds 5 songs to the amount you already listen to in a month (i.e. the 5 extra qualifiers from the other semi)
Much love,
The BJSC Mod Crew.
I am so excited for this but also sad because my poor last two entries Definitely a fantastic move though
I demand my last song to technically be a Q then~
Given most contests now are likely to have 60+ entrants i am not sure how i feel about the change in voting... Mainly for the statistics' sake.
We already have a random patch of 18point contests from the late 20's/early 30's so the stats are already skewed/take that into account.
Gonna have some big big point totals if we go to 18 Point System and with 60+ entrants! Could potentially get our first 300+ point song in the near future! I'm up for the proposed change I think.
Looks like the one big final voting system is going to be pretty much permanent now then, as unless we have a mass extinction event in the near future it's very unlikely we're going to have another sub-60 contest!
Nonetheless, any measure to ensure at least half of entrants will make the final is a good move so I support this ~ Will be nice to have more than 10 voting spaces too as I rarely think that's enough, though that's largely down to me being extremely easily pleased!
Great changes, it's always a lesser experience when you DNQ so it's great that less people will DNQ now. Only thing I would personally change would be to just make it 20 qualifiers no matter whether there are 2 AQs or not. First reason is that people who finish 20th in a 0-1 AQ contest and therefore DNQ would feel extremely disappointed I'd imagine (see Joseph being unhappy at being 15th in a contest I hosted where I chose to have only 14 qualifiers ). But secondly and more importantly it'd just be easier to just make it a round 20 every single time, it just feels unnecessary to have a different rule depending on an extra AQ or not and stripping a couple of countries of qualification on occasions for no real reason.
But aside from that, loving the bigger finals!
I'm not too sure about the 18 point systen tbh, given the fact that 60+ seems to be becoming the norm right now
Those changes sound fair to me! I definitely support this.
Why do we have an extra AQ?
I always listen to all of the entries but it has become increasingly hard to find the time to do so in what is often a 5 and a half or 6 day window. Mainly because I only have time to do so with the aid of MP3 packs, which often don't come until a few days into the voting period. Could a full week minimum for semi-final voting be made the norm perhaps, seeing as the contests have become so massive now? Final voting could then be 5/6 days perhaps as there are nowhere near as many new songs to listen to.
There are 2 AQs if the winner doesn't want to go through the semis and there is an even number of participants. In that case second place AQs too. Weve been doin it for years to keep semi numbers equal rather than one being larger than the other.
Can't we just always have 20 Qs per semi and then have either 1 or 2 AQs depending on how many entries there are, making finals of 41 or 42? This is how it has been for ages except replace 20 with 15 and 41/42 with 31/32 so not sure why it seems to have changed.
Yeh, 20 qualifiers all the time pleasee because I would be very annoyed if I came 20th one month and DNQ but the next month someone Q.
I support bigger finals though as, currently, it's been waaay too unpredictable due to the amount of participants. The fact that Jayrusalem scraped through into the final yet managed to come Top 10 is worrying and I expect Skall would have probably come Top 20 going by the comments I have seen.
I agree, the 'wrong semi effect' last month was incredibly alarming.
I like it, but I guess we'll just have to test it out to make sure it really does work out
I like the idea of 20 per semi rather than 19 as well. I agree that the voting period could do with being a bit longer too.
"Wrong semi final curse" is certainly annoying for songs that seem to have potential to do far better in a Final scenario, so Top 20 should reduce many occurrences of this. I agree that Skall's entry in particular had potential to do so much better than its semi position suggested!
Fine you can have 20 qualifiers but the voting window is already a week. We'll just make sure that's actually going to be a week then by curtailing confirmation to 5/6days
A couple of recent contests have had voting periods of less than a week!
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