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 16th September 2015, 09:29 PM
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molehill mountain. I also dont sing the national anthem, never have. Apart from anything else it's cruel to subject anyone within earshot to my vocal talents and it's a dreadful dreary song. He should have mimed like I always did at school assembly.
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16th September 2015, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(JamesP @ Sep 16 2015, 08:42 PM)  Disagree entirely. If you don't believe in a system, you don't then SING ABOUT IT. Just yesterday, the tabloids were calling him a HYPOCRITE for accepting his honours from the Queen. Now they're calling him insulting and the biggest insult to Britain that's ever lived. It's entitirely laughable. And like I said, if he'd just reasonably said 'yes, I'm standing to be Prime Minister. That involves receiving intelligence reports from the Queen - would you want an Opposition leader who could form the next government to not have access to those reports? Would you want an Opposition leader to not sing the national anthem?' plenty of people would've looked and thought the media were just reaching. As it stands, plenty of people will now think they have a point. It's also worth noting that in their heart of hearts, Salmond and Sturgeon are almost certainly republicans and would almost certainly like to see the monarchy scrapped in an independent Scotland. Both are also intelligent enough to know that it's a fight not worth having if they want to win on the bigger picture. The SNP only started actually making proper inroads after the 90s once they realised that howling at the moon and picking every single battle that comes up gets you nowhere when it comes to winning the unconverted to a cause. |
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16th September 2015, 11:34 PM
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Eh most of the SNP aren't Republicans though. (To all SNP supporters on BJ funny the hypocrisy of the British media to this issue but when the SNP dare to show patriotism it's all narrow nationalism and terribly unjustified, but it's ok in this instance).
This thread is going to be awful for the next few years with even Labour supporters not getting behind the leader just because they disagree with his views  I personally think JC is a breath of fresh air to the current political arena. I don't necessarily think he will win but the topics and debates he is reintroducing to the centre ground is certainly a good thing. On specific non issues like not singing the national bloody anthem who the heck cares?? Can someone not respect various things like this In whatever way they want - is that not what the Battle of Britain was fought for - freedom of thought?? I think it's bloody Brillant he didn't sing it, he plays by his rules not the establishment media. This post has been edited by steve201: 16th September 2015, 11:37 PM |
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16th September 2015, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Sep 16 2015, 11:01 PM) And like I said, if he'd just reasonably said 'yes, I'm standing to be Prime Minister. That involves receiving intelligence reports from the Queen - would you want an Opposition leader who could form the next government to not have access to those reports? Would you want an Opposition leader to not sing the national anthem?' plenty of people would've looked and thought the media were just reaching. As it stands, plenty of people will now think they have a point. It's also worth noting that in their heart of hearts, Salmond and Sturgeon are almost certainly republicans and would almost certainly like to see the monarchy scrapped in an independent Scotland. Both are also intelligent enough to know that it's a fight not worth having if they want to win on the bigger picture. The SNP only started actually making proper inroads after the 90s once they realised that howling at the moon and picking every single battle that comes up gets you nowhere when it comes to winning the unconverted to a cause. But you've missed the point. As a previous poster said, he was criticised for accepting membership of the Privy Council which meant having to grovel to the queen. Some people chose to call that hypocritical. Then, when he sticks to his republican beliefs, he is criticised by the same people. Of course, you may say that these inevitable dilemmas show why Corbyn's election was a big mistake. Labour's problem is that it was a mistake made by an awful lot of members and supporters. |
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16th September 2015, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 17 2015, 12:45 AM) But you've missed the point. As a previous poster said, he was criticised for accepting membership of the Privy Council which meant having to grovel to the queen. Some people chose to call that hypocritical. Then, when he sticks to his republican beliefs, he is criticised by the same people. Of course, you may say that these inevitable dilemmas show why Corbyn's election was a big mistake. Labour's problem is that it was a mistake made by an awful lot of members and supporters. No, you're (literally, given it was in that post) missing the point I'm making. Of course he's going to be criticised by those people either way. Therefore, being as reasonable as possible in the face of that makes it more likely that people stop taking those hostile to him seriously, and makes it far easier for him to frame them as being hyperbolic and criticising him on literally any grounds they can find. Which is kind of exactly the sort of thing you need to be doing if you're going up against a supremely hostile media - getting them to overplay their hand to a point where they discredit themselves. |
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16th September 2015, 11:54 PM
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I also still haven't seen a single person engage with the basic point that if you want to talk about tax credit cuts happening that day and you *know* you're up against a media desperate to make you the story instead, it's really fucking stupid to do ANYTHING that gives them the chance to do so. Sure, one or two might have tried to lead with 'CORBYN HYPOCRITE SINGS THE NATIONAL ANTHEM'. But literally every newspaper today - left, right and centre - led with him not singing the national anthem. There was literally no effort on Corbyn's part to make the tax credit cuts the story here.
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16th September 2015, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 17 2015, 12:45 AM) But you've missed the point. As a previous poster said, he was criticised for accepting membership of the Privy Council which meant having to grovel to the queen. Some people chose to call that hypocritical. Then, when he sticks to his republican beliefs, he is criticised by the same people. Of course, you may say that these inevitable dilemmas show why Corbyn's election was a big mistake. Labour's problem is that it was a mistake made by an awful lot of members and supporters. And it goes beyond just them - even some of those of us who didn't vote for him want him to be given a good proper run at it (two years atleast). QUOTE(Qassändra @ Sep 17 2015, 12:51 AM) No, you're (literally, given it was in that post) missing the point I'm making. Of course he's going to be criticised by those people either way. Therefore, being as reasonable as possible makes it more likely that people stop taking those hostile to him seriously, and makes it far easier for him to frame them as being hyperbolic and criticising him on literally any grounds they can find. Which is kind of exactly the sort of thing you need to be doing if you're going up against a supremely hostile media - getting them to overplay their hand to a point where they discredit themselves. And how well did Miliband's approach of caving into the right-wing press time after time work for him? This post has been edited by Danny: 16th September 2015, 11:56 PM |
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17th September 2015, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE(Danny @ Sep 17 2015, 12:55 AM) And how well did Miliband's approach of caving into the right-wing press time after time work for him? What are we defining here as 'caving into the right-wing press'? Because replying to any right-wing press trying to criticise him had he sung it with 'I'm standing to lead the country, of course I'm going to sing the bloody national anthem' wouldn't really have looked like him caving into them in any way (particularly as him singing in the first place would've been on his own terms rather than 'responding' to anything - particularly after a solid five months of having established himself as his own man). As it is, what he's done with 'I'll sing it in future' is the equivalent of what happened when Ed Miliband posing with The Sun - he's lost points for the principle in the first place and now he's just made himself look weak and prevaricating by backtracking immediately. Which brings us to the beginning - what was the fucking point in the first place? He's literally lost a day of potential headlines for the tax credit cuts (i.e. one of *the* signature things you'd think he'd be vaulting on), set up a moment of infamy which he won't really be able to erase easily, done something that affirms the Tory definition that he's not especially loyal and patriotic, and all for the sake of...what exactly, now he's said he's going to sing it in future? And again: QUOTE(Qassändra @ Sep 17 2015, 12:54 AM) I also still haven't seen a single person engage with the basic point that if you want to talk about tax credit cuts happening that day and you *know* you're up against a media desperate to make you the story instead, it's really fucking stupid to do ANYTHING that gives them the chance to do so. Sure, one or two might have tried to lead with 'CORBYN HYPOCRITE SINGS THE NATIONAL ANTHEM'. But literally every newspaper today - left, right and centre - led with him not singing the national anthem. There was literally no effort on Corbyn's part to make the tax credit cuts the story here. |
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17th September 2015, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Sep 17 2015, 01:01 AM) What are we defining here as 'caving into the right-wing press'? Because replying to any right-wing press trying to criticise him had he sung it with 'I'm standing to lead the country, of course I'm going to sing the bloody national anthem' wouldn't really have looked like him caving into them in any way (particularly as him singing in the first place would've been on his own terms rather than 'responding' to anything - particularly after a solid five months of having established himself as his own man). As it is, what he's done with 'I'll sing it in future' is the equivalent of what happened when Ed Miliband posing with The Sun - he's lost points for the principle in the first place and now he's just made himself look weak and prevaricating by backtracking immediately. Which brings us to the beginning - what was the fucking point in the first place? He's literally lost a day of potential headlines for the tax credit cuts (i.e. one of *the* signature things you'd think he'd be vaulting on), set up a moment of infamy which he won't really be able to erase easily, done something that affirms the Tory definition that he's not especially loyal and patriotic, and all for the sake of...what exactly, now he's said he's going to sing it in future? You're overthinking this: we all know Corbyn is never going to be PM, and that he'll probably go before 2020 even if he was a "success". The whole point of his leadership is to move the centre of gravity to the left. He's the trailblazer putting "outrageous" ideas on the table today, so that those same ideas won't seem so outrageous when the next guy (preferrably a younger and more media-friendly one) comes along saying them tomorrow. This post has been edited by Danny: 17th September 2015, 12:10 AM |
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17th September 2015, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(Danny @ Sep 17 2015, 01:08 AM) You're overthinking this: we all know Corbyn is never going to be PM, and that he'll probably go before 2020 even if he was a "success". The whole point of his leadership is to move the centre of gravity to the left. He's the trailblazer putting "outrageous" ideas on the table today, so that those same ideas won't seem so outrageous when the next guy (preferrably a younger and more media-friendly one) comes along saying them tomorrow. I mean, the Tories *are* trying to make sure that all of this sticks to the Labour Party as a whole. This isn't going to etch-a-sketch quite so easily. I'd also suggest that if he wants to shift the window, focusing his fire on tax credit cuts would probably be more effective at trailblazing things for his wing than...uh, the right for the Leader of the Opposition to not sing the national anthem without consequence? It's a little second order as a priority for our brave new socialist future, shall we say. |
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17th September 2015, 08:27 PM
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I agree with Danny here - most British people would never even have thought that a politican would not sing the national anthem but it's brought that thread of thought/idea to the public spotlight and highlights the inequality at the heart of British democracy - an unelected head of state.
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18th September 2015, 05:50 AM
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Not sure he's fighting for the right not to sing the national anthem, he just didn't feel he should given his views ( I don't blame him, it's a load of dirge). Of course the papers were going to go on about this, but they were anyway whatever he did and eventually this kind of constant unprovoked attack on a leader of the opposition (see: Ed Milliband) does wear thin on the general public with time and tends to have the opposite effect.
I do enjoy the Sun and other right leaning publications calling Jeremy Corbyn out for being a hypocrite for accepting to be part of the privy council on Tuesday and then being (mock) outraged when he didn't sing the bloody awful national anthem and instead stood in respectful silence, when as you say Steve the SNP and their national pride is tarred by the same paper as being extreme and dangerous - but it's OK for us to be jingoistic and nationalistic to apparently appear RESPECTFUL. Also I loved Owen Patterson telling him to grow up about refusing to kneel in front of the Queen when arguably those who take part in all these stupid traditions actually need to grow up. It's not 1815 anymore and there are far more important issues like y'know the biggest migration of people since WWII. I also really enjoyed PMQs this week and robo-cameron having to reboot a few times to deal with genuine questions from outside the Westminster bubble. It would have been nice to see Jeremy challenge his responses a bit though. |
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18th September 2015, 08:54 PM
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Yeh agreed on all of the above. They really need to modernise Westminster overall.
Thoroughly enjoyed QT last night too and was pleasantly surprised by John McDonnells responses especially his apologies. The guy from the Telegraph was ridiculous when he said when the national anthem comes on you should sing with a wide mouth and make sure your dressed with top button done. He was also ridiculous to say JC is extreme - thoroughly enjoyed Alex Salmond retorting saying he believes the Telegraph is the extreme voice!! |
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18th September 2015, 09:13 PM
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The Telegraph bloke was dreadful. The look on his face when most of the other panelists were speaking spoke volumes.
John McDonnell was surprisingly good. I'm sure many people were expecting to see him ranting most of the time, so his calm delivery worked well. I didn't always agree with him, but his style at least made it easy to listen to him. His apologies also went beyond the standard "I apologise for any offence I may have caused" as well. The problem for him and Corbyn is that they have spent their entire parliamentary careers with no expectation of ever being on the front bench. That means that there are bound to be many statements which they would rather forget. Of course, Sandi Toksvig was also very good. Liz Truss's performance was on a par with this classic And this |
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19th September 2015, 12:33 PM
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Haha autocue malfunction!!
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20th September 2015, 10:56 AM
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We have some more gems. Some papers are criticising Corbyn for not attending the opening of the rugby World Cup. No doubt the same papers would have been just as critical if he had accepted "capitalist corporate hospitality".
Not to be outdone, the Sunday Express are claiming that his great great grandfather was the master of a workhouse. Given that he wasn't born until about 100 years later, I'm not sure what he is supposed to have done about that. Unfortunately for those of us who despise the press, it seems to be working. In a poll this weekend, 42% disapprove of Corbyn. No doubt many of them wouldn't have known who he was a month or so ago. The other politicians to have come to prominence in the last couple months (John McDonnell, Tom Watson, Tim Farron) all have high "don't know" ratings (67% in Farron's case), but Corbyn's is very low. |
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20th September 2015, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Sep 19 2015, 01:33 PM) Haha autocue malfunction!! It's not just that (assuming you are right about it not working). She has obviously been told to look around the audience and to smile. She just hasn't grasped how to make it look natural. |
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20th September 2015, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 20 2015, 11:56 AM) We have some more gems. Some papers are criticising Corbyn for not attending the opening of the rugby World Cup. No doubt the same papers would have been just as critical if he had accepted "capitalist corporate hospitality". Not to be outdone, the Sunday Express are claiming that his great great grandfather was the master of a workhouse. Given that he wasn't born until about 100 years later, I'm not sure what he is supposed to have done about that. Unfortunately for those of us who despise the press, it seems to be working. In a poll this weekend, 42% disapprove of Corbyn. No doubt many of them wouldn't have known who he was a month or so ago. The other politicians to have come to prominence in the last couple months (John McDonnell, Tom Watson, Tim Farron) all have high "don't know" ratings (67% in Farron's case), but Corbyn's is very low. Oh entirely predictable they would go all guns blazing for him, after all he threatens the amount of money and power over the working class that they hold. It's just a pity that so many people who should know better than to read the toerag press still do, and like the Fox Network, the day after day endless mudslinging starts to stick and people start repeating it. People are easily swayed, and emotionally manipulated by those that shout loudly. Sadly, and sometimes happily. |
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13th October 2015, 05:58 PM
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Not sure if this is the right thread, but have just seen this headline on my facebook today: Corbyn stripped of 'Right Honourable' title by QUEEN after he snubs Privy Council invite (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/611562/Jeremy-Corbyn-loses-Rt-Honourable-title-snubs-Privy-Council-invite)
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13th October 2015, 07:09 PM
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The story is inaccurate. While he has been listed as Rt. Hon in some places (including Hansard), that is premature. He hasn't been sworn in yet, so shouldn't have been given the title. No doubt the story (I'm not going to add to Express ad revenue by looking at their site) also fails to mention that Cameron missed the first two meetings after he became Tory leader.
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