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 17th October 2016, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Oct 14 2016, 01:03 PM)  Feel free to single out any law you don't like Brexiters never seem to be able to name one, let alone single one out. |
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26th October 2016, 08:11 PM
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26th October 2016, 09:32 PM
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I will register to vote in Salford just to vote Yes in that referendum #StillYes
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9th February 2017, 07:44 PM
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New poll this week, first to be taken from after the "brexit means hard brexit" speech, has the split at 49/51 in favour of status quo. Will be interesting to see if this is another post brexit vote bump or if it's the start of a more permanent shift in opinion.
The Dec poll was 45.5/54.5, which was bang on trend, so new results are outwith the margin of error. Could still be an outlier or a repeat of the Record poll from end of June. |
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9th February 2017, 08:57 PM
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I'm Scottish and I would still vote No every single time.
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9th February 2017, 09:06 PM
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What makes you back the union so heavily?
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13th March 2017, 11:55 AM
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No longer "possible" Holyrood is going to vote on requesting a Section 30 from Westminster. The starting pistol just got fired
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13th March 2017, 12:05 PM
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Mad May has said they won't grant it and tbh with no opposition, and no chance of losing, she can do what she wants, as the budget showed :/
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13th March 2017, 12:47 PM
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Politically that's about as smart a plan as drinking a cup of cold sick. All the polls at the moment show it at 50/50 or 48/52 so a move like that from May would decisively tip the scales towards yes.
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13th March 2017, 12:58 PM
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It's happening *.*
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13th March 2017, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Mar 13 2017, 12:47 PM) Politically that's about as smart a plan as drinking a cup of cold sick. All the polls at the moment show it at 50/50 or 48/52 so a move like that from May would decisively tip the scales towards yes. It's what Spain does with Cataluña tbh. I think she will follow their example, using the last referendum as proofthe issue was solved for a 'generatiom'. Their concept of generation of courseis the biblical Kaine and Able one. |
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13th March 2017, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(Peenus Fly Trap @ Mar 13 2017, 02:08 PM) It's what Spain does with Cataluña tbh. I think she will follow their example, using the last referendum as proofthe issue was solved for a 'generatiom'. Their concept of generation of courseis the biblical Kaine and Able one. Spain has a constitution to back it up on its no ref stance. The UK doesn't have a constitution and one has been granted previously which makes it tough to argue against doing on some form of constitutional grounds. Objection from May is likely to be on timing. She'll want post departure from the EU whereas Sturgeon wants time to try and stop Scotland leaving the EU at all |
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13th March 2017, 02:03 PM
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I literally cannot see it happening, especially after Brexit referendum. Governments in UK only allow referendums they think they will win. They will keep saying it is expensive, settled for a generation, a 'distraction' from ... i sert Scottish problem here.
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13th March 2017, 02:30 PM
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Even if it was held and won next year, would Scotland really be able to secede from the UK and join the EU in six months?
Catalonia also relevant for that, of course. |
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13th March 2017, 03:41 PM
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If it does get given the go ahead, it should be held after the brexit negotiations are done so people can see what type of deal (if any) they're going to get.
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13th March 2017, 03:43 PM
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6 months no. But that's what transitional arrangements are for. I doubt we will be out in 2 years so I foresee a transitional arrangement there so we don't have a nasty period of upheaval where we default to WTO rules for all our trade coz that would absolutely f*** us. Like the recession to end all recessions f*** us.
Catalonia is a unionist myth that y'all really need to stop clinging too. Spain has already said it would respect the result of any constitutionally valid referendum. Catalonia can not constitutionally secede from Spain so there's no precedent there. Also the UK is leaving the EU and the Scots are staying in. This is a totally different circumstance from a region breaking free and joining on its own alongside its former government. The 2014 referendum gave them precedence there but this doesn't. To really hammer it home the spainish government could champion the idea that Scotland is the successor state of the UK and thus automatically inherit its EU membership (not likely and not currently favoured by the EU Council) as that would leave no path for Catalonia to follow. The EU is the land of asterisks and opt outs it's not inconceivable for Scotlands entry to be done in a way that leaves no path for Catalonia to follow thus keeping Madrid chuffed. |
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13th March 2017, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Mar 13 2017, 03:43 PM) The EU is the land of asterisks and opt outs it's not inconceivable for Scotlands entry to be done in a way that leaves no path for Catalonia to follow thus keeping Madrid chuffed. Surely that's the only option that would be acceptable for all sides. The fact that you're saying it's 'not inconceivable' is hardly optimistic when it's that or bust. |
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13th March 2017, 04:08 PM
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Wow Nicola Sturgeon really f***ing hates England, I see it as a win/win situation, if Scotland leaves then the rest of the UK no longer have to see and hear from that ugly racist again and if they vote to stay then she's just destroyed her own and the SNP's political careers.
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13th March 2017, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 13 2017, 04:08 PM) Wow Nicola Sturgeon really f***ing hates England, I see it as a win/win situation, if Scotland leaves then the rest of the UK no longer have to see and hear from that ugly racist again and if they vote to stay then she's just destroyed her own and the SNP's political careers. LOL. If you want to see racist people I'd suggest looking in the mirror. |
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13th March 2017, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(Andrew. @ Mar 13 2017, 04:10 PM) LOL. If you want to see racist people I'd suggest looking in the mirror. Excuse me, are you going to back that up because that's bang out of order what you just said there. |
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