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 2nd September 2020, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 2 2020, 09:25 PM)  So the SNP announced the programme for the Scottish government yesterday and although there were many priorities I've the next few years including the covid response the British media decided to play the conservative and unionist game by highlighting one point in particular regarding putting forth a debate for a second independence referendum. I don't think the Tories will do a 2016-17-style Ruth Davidson campaign screeching 'NO 2 INDY REF 2' because they realise that there IS a majority appetite for one this time, and that regardless of what the campaign is like, they're not gonna beat the SNP and are fighting for a good second place (although it could be very good for squeezing any remaining Lib Dem and Unionist Labour vote). If they did do that, then it'll look worse when indy ref 2 gets denied in 2021 because they will have explicitly lost on that question in the election. If they just choose not to acknowledge the SNP's independence commitments and do a 'but our public services' campaign, then it won't look so hypocritical when Boris Johnson denies the ref anyway despite losing/will help them skirt around the fact that Holyrood elections and the Scottish government have no say on constitutional issues, which of course is a reality that is a case against the union. When polling was more ambiguous, there was a time when unionists actively promoted the union to shore up those still in favour of it, but now they just....pretend the thorny issue of majority independence sentiment just isn't there. This post has been edited by Harve: 2nd September 2020, 10:02 PM |
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11th September 2020, 01:55 PM
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These demographics 😱 That’s more polarised than Brexit. The union, like its supporters, both literally on life support |
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11th September 2020, 08:40 PM
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It’s the 45-64 yo you have to convince
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19th September 2020, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 11 2020, 09:40 PM) It’s the 45-64 yo you have to convince The polarisation between young/old is similar to the voting intention for parties - I can't help but think this will only continue as we head through the 2020s which does lead me to think that Scottish independence is inevitable (one way or the other) before 2030. |
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19th September 2020, 11:17 AM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 11 2020, 10:40 PM) It’s the 45-64 yo you have to convince Every age group is trending towards yes. The Scottish electorate is now a ticking time bomb. It’s going off sooner rather than later and Scotland will rise again as an independent nation |
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19th September 2020, 11:51 AM
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The government are conveniently offering the SNP a way of ignoring any requirement to get permission from Westminster to hold a referendum by a clause in the latest EU Withdrawal legislation.
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19th September 2020, 02:09 PM
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Theyre trying to force judicial changes on Scotland as well against the treaty and act of union. They’re opening up a few different avenues for us to consider.
As I said to Michael the other day, I’ve still one eye on Spain and what they would consider heavily objectionable. Anything that happens must be watertight from a legal perspective or our primary short term goal, EU membership, won’t happen at anywhere near the speed it needs to |
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16th October 2020, 07:37 AM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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We've already discussed this in the opinion polling thread, but here is a short piece from Novara Media on the growing support for Scottish Independence.
Those splits in the Ipsos MORI poll voting yes for independence: 16-24: 79% 25-34: 68% 35-44: 70% 45-54: 55% 55-64: 57% !! 65+: 40% |
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16th October 2020, 09:19 PM
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Excellent discussion that!
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22nd October 2020, 04:39 PM
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More tensions now with school meals, I really hope a referendum is incoming soon because Nicola is finally losing her shit
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17th November 2020, 01:13 PM
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Excellent work by Boris Johnson today following him saying that one of Tony Blair’s worst decisions was to introduce devolution to Scotland unveiling his (and most Tories) anti-devolutionist ideology.
Bring on the elections next year 😀 |
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19th November 2020, 11:04 PM
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Shakin Stevens
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Oh god keep talking Ian Murray and digging that hole for yourself walking into the trap Kristinan set on Ch4 news tonight by arguing against a second Scottish referendum while straight faced saying that he was righ to campaign for a second Eu ref in 2017 😂
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28th January 2021, 06:10 PM
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Boris has said today that there will be no new independence referendum as they've had one and voted to remain in the UK.
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28th January 2021, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jan 28 2021, 06:10 PM) Boris has said today that there will be no new independence referendum as they've had one and voted to remain in the UK. Boris is just ignoring what the people want on his non essential virus spreading trip to a place where no one wants him. |
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28th January 2021, 06:28 PM
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I fully believe there will be another referendum within the next three years but I hope Boris remains in charge and makes a deal that if we vote no we can't vote again to anger more scots so we vote for yes!
scotland also announcing no increases in tax and are reducing student loan payments *.* |
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28th January 2021, 06:32 PM
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Shakin Stevens
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Johnson knows he has to hold it off as long as possible to have a chance.
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28th January 2021, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(common sense @ Jan 28 2021, 07:10 PM) Boris has said today that there will be no new independence referendum as they've had one and voted to remain in the UK. Literally no one cares |
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28th January 2021, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(Quarantilas @ Jan 28 2021, 06:58 PM) Literally no one cares I'm sure Nicola does. |
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28th January 2021, 07:06 PM
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Queen of Soon
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She doesn’t. She’s said many times on record she doesn’t care what Boris has to say on it because as Boris‘s wee pal Trump found out, you can only rail against the forces of democracy for so long before it runs you over
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28th January 2021, 11:09 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 28 2021, 06:32 PM) Johnson knows he has to hold it off as long as possible to have a chance. That's what I never understood with Cameron opting to go for the EU referendum in June 2016.. he had until the end of 2017 in theory... Anyway off-topic. Every time Boris Johnson goes to Scotland he drives support for independence up even futher, looking forward to seeing the polls next week. 
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