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Posted by: Mack Jan 6 2015, 06:37 PM

I might as well start this of with news of that Steven Gerrard is set to agree to move to LA Galaxy from Liverpool in the summer.

And also news that Manchester City are in talks over a deal with Swansea's Wilfred Bony for a fee of more than £30m.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 6 2015, 11:09 PM

£30m for Bony to be a 4th choice striker. The mind boggles!

Posted by: Sabrina. Jan 7 2015, 06:28 PM

We're in need of a striker and goalkeeper. Not sure we'll get either though to be honest

Valdes would have been a good choice, but wages tend to usually be the sticking point for us

Don't think bringing back Origi early is the right decision either. I'd rather he was left at Lille for the remainder of the season as I doubt he'd make a huge contribution here in the final few months and epecially for the fees being quoted

Posted by: Rooney Jan 7 2015, 06:41 PM

QUOTE(Sabrina. @ Jan 7 2015, 06:28 PM) *
We're in need of a striker and goalkeeper. Not sure we'll get either though to be honest

Valdes would have been a good choice, but wages tend to usually be the sticking point for us

Don't think bringing back Origi early is the right decision either. I'd rather he was left at Lille for the remainder of the season as I doubt he'd make a huge contribution here in the final few months and epecially for the fees being quoted


I think Origi will come back.

Hopefully we get a goalkeeper in. I'm not holding my breath, but Cech on loan for the rest of the season would be the best option available.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 9 2015, 08:17 PM

No chance of Liverpool signing Cech - especially since they've sold Schwarzer to Leicester.

Bony to Man City is the obvious big singing so far, but even that's underwhelming. Yes, he's a great striker and much too good to be fourth choice at Man City. Not exactly value for money though. They were much more exciting when they signed Robinho and chased Kaka laugh.gif

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 10 2015, 02:28 AM

Bony is the complete antithesis of what Manchester City have been trying to create for themselves over the past 5 seasons in terms of both creative imagery and style of play. Granted he's a proven Premier League goalscorer but £30m quoted for a striker who won't get a sniff with Aguero/Jovetic/Dzeko fit is stupider than any Scott Sinclair or Javi Garcia deal they've come up with in the past. I'm all for enhancing your chances for a title battle as much as possible if funds are available but seriously. Wilfried Bony. Manchester City. Fucking hell.

Posted by: Wall-e Jan 10 2015, 04:09 AM

I'm surprised that Manchester City have not offloaded Scott Sinclair, he was a great player before he joined Man City! Hoping that he manages to get a loan switch to Crystal Palace or Aston Villa.

I'm surprised that Valdes has joined Manchester United, I'm sure Liverpool or Arsenal should have taking a chance on him unless that is signalling the end of David De Gea.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 10 2015, 03:37 PM

QUOTE(Wall-e @ Jan 10 2015, 04:09 AM) *
I'm surprised that Manchester City have not offloaded Scott Sinclair, he was a great player before he joined Man City! Hoping that he manages to get a loan switch to Crystal Palace or Aston Villa.

I'm surprised that Valdes has joined Manchester United, I'm sure Liverpool or Arsenal should have taking a chance on him unless that is signalling the end of David De Gea.


Sinclair's all pace and not really much else. He had his season with Swansea but Nathan Dyer was just as good for them that season. It was a ridiculous buy.

The club's you listed would probably benefit from him, especially Villa who don't seem to be fancying this scoring goals malarkey this season. Anyone above stable mid-table status, he'd struggle.

Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Jan 10 2015, 03:47 PM

I don't think the Bony signing would be that ridiculous if it weren't for the AFCON. That just makes it a little pointless, they'll have three fit strikers by the time he's available. Aguero and Jovetic both fit their gameplan, Dzeko is Plan B until he hits form and they'll probably only use one of them in some big games anyway.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 10 2015, 04:54 PM

QUOTE(Je Suis Charlie @ Jan 10 2015, 03:47 PM) *
I don't think the Bony signing would be that ridiculous if it weren't for the AFCON. That just makes it a little pointless, they'll have three fit strikers by the time he's available. Aguero and Jovetic both fit their gameplan, Dzeko is Plan B until he hits form and they'll probably only use one of them in some big games anyway.


At what point will Bony realistically be anything more than third best during this season? Barring another injury crisis they're paying £30m for a player who may get a decent domestic cup run with them if he's lucky. One of the most frivolous, profligate acts of transfer policy I can ever recall in the Premier League.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 10 2015, 05:08 PM

I can only think they're buying him because he's eligible to play in the Champions League. I suppose Negredo will be off to Valencia full-time in the summer, so effectively he's just a more expensive replacement of Negredo. Still he's going to be 4th choice, unless the other 3 get injured, which to be fair is quite likely.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 10 2015, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Jan 10 2015, 05:08 PM) *
I can only think they're buying him because he's eligible to play in the Champions League. I suppose Negredo will be off to Valencia full-time in the summer, so effectively he's just a more expensive replacement of Negredo. Still he's going to be 4th choice, unless the other 3 get injured, which to be fair is quite likely.


Why not keep hold of Negredo though? He did fantastically well with them prior to his injury and didn't really get any chance thereafter. I know there were hints at a behind-closed-doors job. In terms of the influence they both can have on the game I'd probably still take Negredo. Definitely more adept at tracking back to the halfway line and channelling the flanks.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 10 2015, 05:22 PM

PS hi Ren hi.gif

Posted by: Silas Jan 10 2015, 05:31 PM

QUOTE(Wall-e @ Jan 10 2015, 04:09 AM) *
I'm surprised that Valdes has joined Manchester United, I'm sure Liverpool or Arsenal should have taking a chance on him unless that is signalling the end of David De Gea.

De Gea has 18months left on his contract and rumour has it that Real Madrid are circling him. It's an insurance policy to make sure we still have a damned good goalie in the event of Real doing what they do. Smart.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 10 2015, 05:46 PM

QUOTE(Cassidy @ Jan 10 2015, 05:21 PM) *
Why not keep hold of Negredo though? He did fantastically well with them prior to his injury and didn't really get any chance thereafter. I know there were hints at a behind-closed-doors job. In terms of the influence they both can have on the game I'd probably still take Negredo. Definitely more adept at tracking back to the halfway line and channelling the flanks.


I have also heard rumours. I think he got in a spot of trouble with some Manchester locals, hence his abrupt departure, even though he was excellent when called upon and more suited to City's style of play.

OMG hi kink.gif

QUOTE(Silas @ Jan 10 2015, 05:31 PM) *
De Gea has 18months left on his contract and rumour has it that Real Madrid are circling him. It's an insurance policy to make sure we still have a damned good goalie in the event of Real doing what they do. Smart.


Yes it makes sense. Real will come calling eventually, whether de Gea goes or not is another discussion, but they will come and try to unsettle him. I would have loved to have Valdes at Liverpool, but he's not played for a long time, and would still want a huge salary, so understandable why Liverpool backed out. He would have walked in to the #1 spot at Liverpool though, won't be at Man Utd.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 10 2015, 07:08 PM

I can't fathom out the De Gea/Valdes situation. If he's there to put pressure on De Gea's starting XI spot then it's all well and good (Lindegaard is abysmal). Louis does seem to typically prefer having two good players for each position too.

That being said, I don't understand why the goalkeeper position would be an area you'd even attempt to strengthen. Our goalie's been the only consistently good player for the past season and half. There's the ever-present hole in our central defence and something's definitely amiss in midfield. Louis doesn't seem too struck on Mata's lack of pace in a pressing team and something's not quite right with baby Ander.

Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Jan 10 2015, 10:25 PM

Apparently Negredo's wife was homesick.

I might be missing something but would Bony really be behind Dzeko in the pecking order? Although regarding the Champions League, because of City's smaller squad he'd have to replace someone who's already in there. Some are saying Jovetic, others Caballero given that Hart never gets injured or suspended.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 11 2015, 12:20 AM

Dzeko's had a consistently good return rate (largely from the bench) since he joined the club, minus a bit of a foggy patch this season where he's largely been hampered by injury. 3rd in City's all time Premier League goal scorers. Think their fans have their gripes with him mostly because of his style of play and stroll-through-the-park mentality, in contrast to Bony who'll make more of a nuisance of himself/do a bit more running. Kind of similar to the frustrations Spurs and United fans had with Berbatov. His class can't really be called into play though. On a personal level, I'd take Dzeko in my team over Bony any day.

Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Jan 11 2015, 12:49 AM

QUOTE(Cassidy @ Jan 11 2015, 12:20 AM) *
Dzeko's had a consistently good return rate (largely from the bench) since he joined the club, minus a bit of a foggy patch this season where he's largely been hampered by injury. 3rd in City's all time Premier League goal scorers. Think their fans have their gripes with him mostly because of his style of play and stroll-through-the-park mentality, in contrast to Bony who'll make more of a nuisance of himself/do a bit more running. Kind of similar to the frustrations Spurs and United fans had with Berbatov. His class can't really be called into play though. On a personal level, I'd take Dzeko in my team over Bony any day.

I like both, and you can guarantee that Dzeko will go on a scoring run before long but I'm kind of intrigued by what Bony would do with that type of service.

Posted by: Cassidy Jan 11 2015, 01:20 AM

QUOTE(Je Suis Charlie @ Jan 11 2015, 12:49 AM) *
I like both, and you can guarantee that Dzeko will go on a scoring run before long but I'm kind of intrigued by what Bony would do with that type of service.


I don't think you'd get much more out of him than what he's already doing with Swansea tbh. Him and Gylfi Sigurđsson have been one of the most natural, free-flowing and efficient attacking pairings in the league this season. Bony's a one-dimensional type, does what he does and does it to a relative standard.

Posted by: Wall-e Jan 11 2015, 06:09 AM

Valdes is way to good to be a back up at Manchester United though, I'm hoping that Cech joins Liverpool on loan, it could really benefit Chelsea's title hopes! I'm also rather delighted to see Liverpool back on some sort of form!

Posted by: Mack Jan 11 2015, 11:24 AM

Swansea has agreed a fee of £30m to sell Wilfred Bony to Manchester City.

A lot of money for a fourth-choice striker who will definitely be behind Aguero, Dzeko, Jovetic in the pecking order.

Posted by: Mack Jan 14 2015, 08:08 PM

Jermain Defoe is having a medical at Sunderland. What do people make of this possible signing for Sunderland?

The signing of Wilfried Bony has been completed from Swansea to Man City. It makes him the most expensive African footballer in history.


Posted by: Rooney Jan 14 2015, 08:31 PM

Well to be fair to Sunderland, signing a goalscorer could be good for them. It's not like they've been beaten out of sight that many times this season, they've just drawn too many games. Good signing if he scores 5-8 goals.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 14 2015, 10:26 PM

This could burden the club for years though. If he flops and Sunderland go down they may have to subsidise his wages in order to get him off the books!!

Big risk if he's lost that yard of pace.

Posted by: Je Suis Charlie Jan 14 2015, 10:33 PM

He'll get a few, although he can't play up front on his own which may create problems. They've drawn a lot this season because they've been very solid and relied on a packed midfield, playing two up front could leave them very vulnerable.

Posted by: Mack Jan 21 2015, 08:01 PM

Arsenal have signed Krystian Bielik from Legia Warsaw,

Do you think there'll be any big-name transfers in the upcoming days or not?


Posted by: Rooney Jan 21 2015, 10:48 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ Jan 21 2015, 08:01 PM) *
Arsenal have signed Krystian Bielik from Legia Warsaw,

Do you think there'll be any big-name transfers in the upcoming days or not?


Nope, not a thing. There will be the usual panic buys, but I don't think any of the big clubs will be signing anyone of any significance. I expect deadine day to be manic though when clubs cave in to demands.

Posted by: Mack Jan 22 2015, 09:42 AM

Real Madrid have reached an agreement to sign 16 year-old Norwegian forward, Martin Odegaard from Stromsgodest. He is set to be presented to the media at a news conference today.

Posted by: Mack Jan 22 2015, 08:20 PM

Swansea have signed Tottenham's Kyle Naughton for £5m.


Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 22 2015, 09:07 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ Jan 22 2015, 08:20 PM) *
Swansea have signed Tottenham's Kyle Naughton for £5m.


Solid signing. Similar to when Spurs sold Caulker to Cardiff, surprised they sold a British player.


Posted by: Mack Jan 28 2015, 08:09 PM

Arsenal have bought Villarreal's defender Gabriel Paulista for £11.2m deal with Joel Campbell moving the opposite way on loan.

West Brom have signed Calum McManaman from Wigan for £4.75m.



Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 29 2015, 07:50 PM

Quiet window so far in truth, maybe the mostly settled managerial situation at most clubs is playing a part in that. Managers are placing faith in the current squads.

The maddest window I remember was 2011, with those Torres and Carroll moves laugh.gif There's normally a relegation threatened team who splurge on a whole host of panic buys (Portsmouth 2006, West Ham 2007 & QPR 2013) but not this year.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 29 2015, 08:38 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Jan 29 2015, 07:50 PM) *
Quiet window so far in truth, maybe the mostly settled managerial situation at most clubs is playing a part in that. Managers are placing faith in the current squads.

The maddest window I remember was 2011, with those Torres and Carroll moves laugh.gif There's normally a relegation threatened team who splurge on a whole host of panic buys (Portsmouth 2006, West Ham 2007 & QPR 2013) but not this year.


I think a lot of it is down to FFP. Think one or two things might happen on deadline day when panic stations set in, but ultimately I think a lot of clubs are worried about FFP.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 29 2015, 09:11 PM

Undoubtedly FFP is playing a crucial part. Eventually some clubs will find a way around the system (like Man United and Liverpool are trying to with sponsorship deals) but at the moment clubs are worried about any repercussions.

Sunderland paying 14m and 80k a week to Defoe is arguably the only panic buy so far.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 29 2015, 09:16 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Jan 29 2015, 09:11 PM) *
Undoubtedly FFP is playing a crucial part. Eventually some clubs will find a way around the system (like Man United and Liverpool are trying to with sponsorship deals) but at the moment clubs are worried about any repercussions.

Sunderland paying 14m and 80k a week to Defoe is arguably the only panic buy so far.


All the clubs are trying to get around it - Man City with their ridiculously fake sponsorships & Chelsea with stock-piling talent & selling them on. At least the commerical deals Liverpool/Manchester United/Arsenal do are legit, and actually represent the commercial value of the clubs, especially the first two. I think they're all worried. Liverpool are under investigation, and Man Utd will have one eye on next season as they will be under investigation next season too.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 29 2015, 09:51 PM

Chelsea and Man City are the 'nouveau riche' clubs though with billionaire benefactors - they're not traditionally big clubs like Arsenal/Liverpool/Man United. I think they have to be more inventive to get around FFP than the other three, who can rely somewhat on their global image.

FFP has almost closed off the top of the league in a way. To establish yourself as a top 4 side now you'd have to spend hundreds of millions which FFP prohibits. Southampton may finish 4th this year, but how long can they maintain it? Newcastle and Everton have fallen away after finishing 5th in recent years. Story is repeated across the big European leagues.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 29 2015, 09:56 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Jan 29 2015, 09:51 PM) *
Chelsea and Man City are the 'nouveau riche' clubs though with billionaire benefactors - they're not traditionally big clubs like Arsenal/Liverpool/Man United. I think they have to be more inventive to get around FFP than the other three, who can rely somewhat on their global image.

FFP has almost closed off the top of the league in a way. To establish yourself as a top 4 side now you'd have to spend hundreds of millions which FFP prohibits. Southampton may finish 4th this year, but how long can they maintain it? Newcastle and Everton have fallen away after finishing 5th in recent years. Story is repeated across the big European leagues.


Agree they have to be inventive as they don't have the global image - and it's a tough market, because I think Liverpool & Manchester United have that monopoly, and I can't see it changing for as long as they both remain competitive.

Hmm it has, but realistically these teams can never compete long term. Southampton for example - I'm sure in the summer teams will be in for the likes of Wanyama, Schierderlin, Clyne and Ward-Prowse. It just happens, and you can't always get lucky with making good purchases like they did in the summer. At least with the Premier League, whilst I think Man City & Chelsea have the best squads, the other 4 teams can compete with them and can plausibly win the title.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 29 2015, 10:15 PM

There was the option of a billionaire coming and catapulting a club into the top 4 (as unsubtle as that was). Before Roman came to Chelsea in 2003, only Arsenal and Man United were able to win the title.

Tottenham are an example of a club without massive financial backing that has competed at the top for years now. I feel (relative) lack of money has prevented them becoming a consistent top 4 side.

Posted by: Rooney Jan 29 2015, 10:25 PM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Jan 29 2015, 10:15 PM) *
There was the option of a billionaire coming and catapulting a club into the top 4 (as unsubtle as that was). Before Roman came to Chelsea in 2003, only Arsenal and Man United were able to win the title.

Tottenham are an example of a club without massive financial backing that has competed at the top for years now. I feel (relative) lack of money has prevented them becoming a consistent top 4 side.


Arsenal and United were winning the leagues at the time, but Liverpool were challenging, and so were Newcastle and Leeds United! It's just really over the Premier League era at least that Manchester United/Liverpool/Arsenal have always remained there or thereabouts. Hell even a few years ago Villa were doing similar to what Everton did for the past few seasons.

Tottenham are competing without really ever doing too much. They're only there or thereabouts, but it was since Liverpool dropped out of reckoning for a few years that they clawed their way back in to the top. Then selling Bale/Modric allowed them to build a squad to compete. Although that team that Redknapp had in 2010/2011 was really strong. A couple of better players and they could have really pushed on.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jan 29 2015, 10:51 PM

Liverpool were more of a cup team under Houiller. They did finish 2nd in 2002, but I don't think anybody thought they'd actually win the league (unlike 2014) and they slumped horrendously the next year. Leeds had their peak in 2001 getting to the semis of the Champions League. By 2003, they'd sold Rio Ferdinand, Robbie Keane, Jonathan Woodgate etc and barely avoided relegation. Newcastle were challengers but not quite the same league as Arsenal/United!

I'd say Arsenal and Man United are the two constants of the Premier league era. Liverpool have remained competitive but challenged sporadically and Chelsea were finishing in similar posistions before 2003 anyway. No other teams have matched these 4s consistency.

Posted by: jark Jan 29 2015, 10:58 PM

So f***ing glad Arsenal got everything sorted with Paulista without cocking up.

Getting Grosskreutz too would be lovely.

Posted by: Soy Adrián Jan 30 2015, 03:11 PM

Chelsea in particular have started to build that global brand now, and City are slowly getting there. With FFP it's more difficult to imagine someone breaking into the really big time since you can't just splurge £200m at a time and, as we've seen with Southampton, if you threaten to get there then your best players will just get picked off. Spurs might be the exception if they have a couple of good transfer windows but they're still in danger of losing their best players abroad.

Posted by: Wall-e Jan 30 2015, 07:36 PM

Jack Cork has joined Swansea from Southampton
Scott Sinclair has joined Aston Villa on loan.
Darren Fletcher is having a medical at West Ham.

Posted by: Mack Jan 30 2015, 07:41 PM

Chelsea closing on a deal for Fiorentina's Juan Cuadrado for £23 million with Salah set to move there on loan.


Posted by: Wall-e Jan 30 2015, 07:55 PM

Schurrle also away to join Wolfsburg.

Posted by: Mack Jan 30 2015, 07:57 PM

Do you think it's a mistake getting rid of Schurrle?


Posted by: jark Jan 31 2015, 02:26 PM

QUOTE(Wall-e @ Jan 30 2015, 07:55 PM) *
Schurrle also away to join Wolfsburg.

He's probably happy just at the prospect of getting to play a few matches for once...

Posted by: Rooney Jan 31 2015, 07:38 PM

QUOTE(jark @ Jan 31 2015, 02:26 PM) *
He's probably happy just at the prospect of getting to play a few matches for once...


Think Mourinho (stupidly) thinks he's too much of a liability.

Posted by: Mack Feb 2 2015, 11:08 AM

Andre Schurrle has agreed personal terms with Wolfsberg which will probably mean that Juan Cuadrado will officially become a Chelsea player.


Robert Huth looking set to move on loan to Leicester City until the end of the season.


Posted by: Rooney Feb 2 2015, 06:46 PM

QUOTE(Mack @ Feb 2 2015, 11:08 AM) *
Andre Schurrle has agreed personal terms with Wolfsberg which will probably mean that Juan Cuadrado will officially become a Chelsea player.
Robert Huth looking set to move on loan to Leicester City until the end of the season.


There is something undoubtedly fishy going on at Chelsea. No way they're getting these massive transfer fees for players they don't want. £24m is insane for a guy that's played about 12 times this year.

Posted by: Ryan. Feb 2 2015, 11:19 PM

Derby have managed to get both Tom Ince and Jesse Lingard on loan this evening, both fabulous signings! Glad we've got great replacements for the recalled Ibe and the injured Russell.

Posted by: Soy Adrián Feb 2 2015, 11:51 PM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Feb 2 2015, 06:46 PM) *
There is something undoubtedly fishy going on at Chelsea. No way they're getting these massive transfer fees for players they don't want. £24m is insane for a guy that's played about 12 times this year.

How is that dodgy? His stock is (understandably) higher in Germany than it is here, and it's January. Mourinho just knows who he wants and who he can make some money off.

Posted by: Rooney Feb 3 2015, 08:12 AM

QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Feb 2 2015, 11:51 PM) *
How is that dodgy? His stock is (understandably) higher in Germany than it is here, and it's January. Mourinho just knows who he wants and who he can make some money off.


Not the first player, De Bryne and Luiz also susceptible to this. Not saying there is anything in it, but really fishing that Chelsea can get such high prices for players that they obviously don't want. Anyway for me they've made another mistake letting Schurrle go, not the better player right now, but certainly got the potential to be.

Posted by: Soy Adrián Feb 3 2015, 11:30 AM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Feb 3 2015, 08:12 AM) *
Not the first player, De Bryne and Luiz also susceptible to this. Not saying there is anything in it, but really fishing that Chelsea can get such high prices for players that they obviously don't want. Anyway for me they've made another mistake letting Schurrle go, not the better player right now, but certainly got the potential to be.

They're all perfectly reasonable. PSG paid ridiculously over the odds to get Luiz together with Thiago Silva, £18m isn't a lot for De Bruyne given his international record and how young he is.

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