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Soy Adrián
post 15th January 2018, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 15 2018, 03:46 PM) *
I never claimed it *did* - this is not the EU thread.

It's a thread for the party that was set up to campaign for leaving the EU..?
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post 15th January 2018, 05:20 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mad Maybot etc want to leave now, no matter the cost, to stop the right vote from being split, unlike the left, and have that unfair advantage as their party gets less and less popular and membership drops. UKIP reacts by creating headlines/ being desperate. For UKIP leaving the EU always meant the end of the party ironically enough - to the point of desperate fist fights, headlines, and Farage trying to re-run the referendum.
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post 21st January 2018, 05:32 PM
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Vote of no confidence in party leader Henry Bolton unanimously backed by UKIP NEC.

Days Bolton lasted as leader: 114
Days people knew Bolton was leader: 10
Days previous leader Paul Nuttall managed: 193
Chance of UKIP being a serious force in British politics again: 0
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post 21st January 2018, 05:41 PM
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If Nigie wants UKIP to be a force in politics again he should step back up to the leadership role. Clearly no one else can lead the party.
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post 21st January 2018, 05:45 PM
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Nor can he tho
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post 21st January 2018, 05:56 PM
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They may as well fold tbh. Ironically the only thing keeping them afloat financial is the European Parliament.
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post 21st January 2018, 06:24 PM
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They should disband and split off to join the Tories while the extremist faction should launch some AFD-type party. This should have happened a while ago.
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post 22nd January 2018, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 21 2018, 05:32 PM) *
Vote of no confidence in party leader Henry Bolton unanimously backed by UKIP NEC.

Days Bolton lasted as leader: 114
Days people knew Bolton was leader: 10
Days previous leader Paul Nuttall managed: 193
Chance of UKIP being a serious force in British politics again: 0


The second one could just as easily be 'people who knew Bolton was leader'. tongue.gif

QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 21 2018, 05:56 PM) *
They may as well fold tbh. Ironically the only thing keeping them afloat financial is the European Parliament.


UKIP will not disappear until Brexit is finalised
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Soy Adrián
post 22nd January 2018, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 22 2018, 07:35 AM) *
UKIP will not disappear until Brexit is finalised

As this is when their MEPs will no longer be able to sponge a salary for not turning up?
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post 22nd January 2018, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jan 22 2018, 08:34 AM) *
As this is when their MEPs will no longer be able to sponge a salary for not turning up?


Well, I was thinking more in terms of - no more danger of politicians backsliding on the referendum result.
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post 22nd January 2018, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 22 2018, 09:01 AM) *
Well, I was thinking more in terms of - no more danger of politicians backsliding on the referendum result.

MPs are obliged by their code of conduct to vote for what they believe to be in the national interest. If enough of them rediscover their backbone and abide by that code of conduct, they won't be "backsliding", they will be doing their duty.
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post 22nd January 2018, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 22 2018, 12:16 PM) *
MPs are obliged by their code of conduct to vote for what they believe to be in the national interest. If enough of them rediscover their backbone and abide by that code of conduct, they won't be "backsliding", they will be doing their duty.


MP's are also aware of what the likely political consequences of reneging on a democratic vote would be! nono.gif
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post 22nd January 2018, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 22 2018, 12:27 PM) *
MP's are also aware of what the likely political consequences of reneging on a democratic vote would be! nono.gif

That's not in the code of conduct. MPs (including T May and J Corbyn) are casually voting for something that they said less than two years ago was not in the national interest.
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post 22nd January 2018, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 22 2018, 01:20 PM) *
That's not in the code of conduct. MPs (including T May and J Corbyn) are casually voting for something that they said less than two years ago was not in the national interest.



...and I'd add they get elected on platforms that voters assume they will be getting but usually don't. Virtually everything the Tories claimed they would do in the last 2 elections have already proven to be lies bar one: having a referendum. Telling lies is the one thing they excel at (not in getting away with it, just in the audacity of turning up in public secure in the knowledge that journalists will allow them to get away with it)!
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post 22nd January 2018, 02:46 PM
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People *expect* politicians to lie, but once a policy has been implemented, they expect them to follow-through on it.
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post 22nd January 2018, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 22 2018, 02:46 PM) *
People *expect* politicians to lie, but once a policy has been implemented, they expect them to follow-through on it.

That attitude has helped to get us into this mess. Yes, people have been saying "politicians are all liars" for as long as I can remember. However, for most of that time, it simply wasn't true. Yes, they might bend the truth but out-and-out lies were rare. Then along came Cameron. That plastic-faced idiot seemed to decide that, if people expected politicians to lie, he didn't want to disappoint them. The rest of his party soon followed suit.

Note that, for the purposes of this post, I am defining a lie as a statement that the person knows to be untrue. I still think Tony Blair genuinely believed that Iraq had WMDs. The fact that he didn't question the intelligence sufficiently (or, possibly, at all) makes him negligent, not a liar. The same applies to Thatcher's inaccurate statement on Hillsborough. She could have questioned the information she was given by senior police officers, but she didn't.
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post 22nd January 2018, 03:42 PM
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...back on topic and there have been 12 resignations since the unanimous NEC vote of no confidence in Mr Bolton but he is refusing to resign himself.

Reminds me of Corbyn!
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post 22nd January 2018, 04:27 PM
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as some twitter wag said:

Ironic that UKIP democratically elected Bolton and then decides it doesn't like the result.

Presumably he's safe as long as only 48% of UKIPPERS resign......

Bloody UKIPREMOANERS whingeing about someone's girlfriend!
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post 22nd January 2018, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 22 2018, 04:27 PM) *
as some twitter wag said:

Ironic that UKIP democratically elected Bolton and then decides it doesn't like the result.

Presumably he's safe as long as only 48% of UKIPPERS resign......

Bloody UKIPREMOANERS whingeing about someone's girlfriend!


Attractive on the outside - very ugly on the inside...
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post 22nd January 2018, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 22 2018, 04:27 PM) *
as some twitter wag said:

Ironic that UKIP democratically elected Bolton and then decides it doesn't like the result.

Presumably he's safe as long as only 48% of UKIPPERS resign......

Bloody UKIPREMOANERS whingeing about someone's girlfriend!

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