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Posted by: Mack. Mar 3 2018, 01:44 PM
Video assistant refereeing is set to be used at the World Cup:
From BBC Sport:
VAR has been trialled in some domestic English cup games this season, and has been used in Germany and Italy.
The International Football Association Board (Ifab) "unanimously approved" its introduction on a permanent basis after a meeting in Zurich on Saturday.
Leagues and competitions must now apply to Ifab to implement the technology.
Fifa president Gianni Infantino said a decision on whether VAR will be used to the World Cup will be taken at a meeting on 16 March.
"As of today, video assistant refereeing is part of football," he said.
"We hope and encourage a favourable decision in this respect because we are very positive about VAR."
Ifab is made up of the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well as Fifa.
Each FA has one vote, while world football's governing body has four votes and six are required for a change in the laws.
The decision over VAR was made after they were presented with the results of the independent analysis of the use of the system conducted by Belgian university KU Leuven since March 2016.
"I would say to the fans, players and coaches that it will have an impact, a positive impact," said Infantino. "That is what the results of the study show.
"From almost 1,000 live matches that were part of the experiment, the level of the accuracy increased from 93% to 99%. It's almost perfect."
He added: "I was pretty much against it a couple of years ago but I studied it.
"We have looked into all the details and benefits it can bring. Of course, we need to speed up the reviews and the communication to the referees that are applying it but also for the general public."
What do you make of this?
Posted by: Suedehead2 Mar 3 2018, 02:33 PM
I wonder if the BBC and ITV will be extending their programme times to allow for all the delays.
Assuming it is used in all matches, that means that many referees will be getting their first experience of VAR in a World Cup match. With the clear problems we have been seeing, that seems to be asking for trouble. There also seems to be a potential language problem. If the referee has to communicate with the video referee in a foreign language, that won't be easy with the crowd noise and being unable to see the official they are talking to.
Posted by: Rooney Mar 3 2018, 02:51 PM
Assuming it is used in all matches, that means that many referees will be getting their first experience of VAR in a World Cup match. With the clear problems we have been seeing, that seems to be asking for trouble. There also seems to be a potential language problem. If the referee has to communicate with the video referee in a foreign language, that won't be easy with the crowd noise and being unable to see the official they are talking to.
I think the trials have been a little more successful in Germany and Italy. Obviously the system is not perfect yet and it still needs a lot of work and video replays on screens for fans etc. otherwise it just causes confusion.
Posted by: PeteFromLeeds Mar 3 2018, 04:02 PM
I'm against this, I quite like the unpredictability of the World Cup and I honestly don't care if there's not 100% accuracy.
Posted by: Evil Houdini Mar 3 2018, 04:12 PM
You just know that something controversial will happen to England, something like Lampard's goal that got disallowed at the 2010 World Cup. Hopefully VAR wont disrupt the flow of matches as much as it has done in this season's FA Cup.
Posted by: Doctor Blind Mar 3 2018, 04:24 PM
Assuming it is used in all matches, that means that many referees will be getting their first experience of VAR in a World Cup match. With the clear problems we have been seeing, that seems to be asking for trouble. There also seems to be a potential language problem. If the referee has to communicate with the video referee in a foreign language, that won't be easy with the crowd noise and being unable to see the official they are talking to.
Yes it probably isn't the best time to introduce it - we could quite easily see games descend into farce like the 1st half of the recent Spurs v Rochdale FA Cup replay. As others here I'm against it for the time being, especially with all the delays to play it seems to cause.
Posted by: Rooney Mar 3 2018, 05:11 PM
I'm also against the delays too, but it has to be used at some point to trial it. I think the problem right now is referees don't really understand it and they use it as a bit of a cop out if they are unsure of situations. I like the suggestion that it should only be used for certain calls otherwise it just. The idea is right, it just needs some real work doing to it.
Posted by: Flatcap Mar 3 2018, 05:27 PM
If it is to be trialled anywhere by internationals, perhaps they should have done it for international friendlies first. Going straight into a tournament seems wrong. After the delays and problems with VAR that we have witnessed this season, perhaps we should wait a bit longer for the problems to be ironed out.
Posted by: Mack. Apr 3 2018, 02:56 PM
Have to remember a lot of the referees will be using VAR at the World Cup for the first time, not an ideal situation. Can get all the practise they want but matches are different. It's gonna be a right mess.
Posted by: Mack. Jun 12 2018, 07:39 PM
Still think that this could be a huge mess with controversy.
Posted by: Dobbo Jun 12 2018, 07:47 PM
Oh it undoubtedly will be and I can't wait for the fallout & overreaction *_*
Posted by: Evil Houdini Jun 12 2018, 08:04 PM
It will probably be England that will be on the receiving end of VAR controversy.
Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 12 2018, 08:39 PM
Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything to suggest that VAR will be used in penalty shoot-outs to check whether the goalkeeper moved off his line. It seems a really obvious use for technology.
Posted by: Dobbo Jun 12 2018, 08:47 PM
Yep that is such a "non-rule" in football, as is encroachment. Very very little consistency when they are fleetingly applied too.
Posted by: Mack. Jun 12 2018, 09:42 PM
I've heard that assistant referees have been told to keep their flag down for tight offside calls to enable VAR to make the correct decision.
Posted by: DJHazey Jun 13 2018, 12:23 PM
If they could just use VAR to stop strikers from 'hesitating' right before shooting.
I think it'll be great if VAR takes away non-offsides plays that would been called originally and leads to more goals.
Posted by: Suedehead2 Jun 13 2018, 01:20 PM
That one makes sense. If a striker is marginally offside but there's no goal, who cares?
Posted by: Mack. Jun 20 2018, 01:44 PM
VAR has been what for you so far?
Posted by: Doctor Blind Jun 20 2018, 01:52 PM
A complete disaster... see the absolute shambles of the France v Australia game from Saturday. It just doesn't work at all (as we all predicted in this thread)!
Posted by: Dobbo Jun 20 2018, 02:18 PM
It's not been that bad. At least it gives the ref another chance to view an incident before deciding, obviously on the contentious issues there'll be arguments both for and against the decisions made. Also that Pogba goal wouldn't have been given much like Lampard in 2010!
It worked perfectly in the South Korea & Egypt games with the pens. My main concern is why it ISN'T being used in cases like with the England game and the potential Kane fouls.
Posted by: Iz Jun 20 2018, 02:21 PM
I'd disagree! The instances of bad refereeing this cup have been referees unused to VAR not making the calls correctly, and when it has used it has been used to award deserved penalties, some of which have been converted into goals, others that haven't. Probably a major factor in the other good stat of no 0-0 results. Hasn't been perfect but I'm very glad it's being used.
Posted by: Doctor Blind Jun 20 2018, 02:34 PM
.. and this makes it a good reason to bring it now because???
There just isn't the time available to be able to make VAR (in its current form) effective so we end up with this compromise which doesn't satisfy anyone really.
Posted by: Iz Jun 20 2018, 03:00 PM
There are few cases of those and they're isolated, the England game and maybe one or two others. It's working well in most games, I'm satisfied with what it's doing to the tournament and from browsing Reddit and Twitter I've seen a fair amount of positive comments about it also. Particularly when it's used well like in the Sweden-South Korea match. People want it to work and that's going to keep FIFA challenged to making it better.
Like so: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/19/fifa-refuses-comment-failure-var-award-harry-kane-two-penalties/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Analysing what went wrong and holding the refereeing bodies to their decisions. It's much better than it not being there.
I would rather that they force it into the WC with a high profile trial like this rather than keep putting it off because it's 'not ready to be used at a major tournament'.
Posted by: Mack. Jun 22 2018, 07:27 PM
Amazes me that VAR didn't see that incident with Mitrovic being hold down just then.
Posted by: Mack. Jun 22 2018, 07:29 PM
What is the point of having VAR at these finals if they are not going to pick up on the wrestling like challenges in the box.
Posted by: Doctor Blind Jun 25 2018, 09:16 PM
I've changed my mind: After tonight's Portugal v Iran game, I now LOVE IT. 
Posted by: Rooney Jun 25 2018, 09:21 PM
It needs some work, sure it adds some drama but the amount of non-penalties that are been awarded is bloody crazy. It certainly needs some refinement.
Posted by: Steve201 Jun 25 2018, 10:18 PM
Tonight annoyed me - all the waiting for decisions and play acting to get VAR to be involved made it terrible for me/ who wants to wait before celebrating every goal?
Posted by: Mack. Jun 26 2018, 12:17 PM
It does need some work on following on from last night.
Posted by: Mack. Jun 30 2018, 11:17 AM
Naturally FIFA want VAR to improve and cut out any mistakes - they won't want a mistake deciding one of the knockout games in their showpiece event.
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