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 12th August 2020, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Aug 11 2020, 07:16 PM)  Does this mean it's in the community? I heard it was 1 family? Our work closed again today after a few cases, this could go on for the rest of the year. Yes they think it’s in the community as they can’t link the cases back to anywhere e.g. international travel, the workplace. So they must have got infected somewhere else which means they’re certain it must be in the community from an original different source who is an asymptomatic carrier. England death toll has reduced by 5,000 today to bring out reporting lines up to speed with the rest of the United Kingdom. |
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12th August 2020, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Aug 12 2020, 06:39 PM) Yes they think it’s in the community as they can’t link the cases back to anywhere e.g. international travel, the workplace. So they must have got infected somewhere else which means they’re certain it must be in the community from an original different source who is an asymptomatic carrier. England death toll has reduced by 5,000 today to bring out reporting lines up to speed with the rest of the United Kingdom. It remains the case that the best measure is the number of deaths over and above the five-year average. No amount of fiddling the figures will alter the fact that England is the worst country in Europe by that measure. |
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12th August 2020, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 12 2020, 09:55 PM) It remains the case that the best measure is the number of deaths over and above the five-year average. No amount of fiddling the figures will alter the fact that England is the worst country in Europe by that measure. Indeed, figures that were shown to be comfortably the 2nd worst per capita in the world: https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4c...82-648ffde71bf0 |
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13th August 2020, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Aug 11 2020, 07:16 PM) Does this mean it's in the community? I heard it was 1 family? Our work closed again today after a few cases, this could go on for the rest of the year. 14 more cases confirmed and they believe it might also be in Rotorua. The most logical explanation for the virus at the moment is that it is was in a shipping container. Absolutely brutal if that's the case. |
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14th August 2020, 11:31 AM
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14th August 2020, 03:19 PM
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The government fiddling with the death toll because they’re embarrassed that England has the highest death toll in Europe and proves conservatives are corrupt. Labour wouldn’t be doing this
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14th August 2020, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Hadji @ Aug 14 2020, 04:19 PM) The government fiddling with the death toll because they’re embarrassed that England has the highest death toll in Europe and proves conservatives are corrupt. Labour wouldn’t be doing this I don't think a Labour government would dare try something so blatant. |
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14th August 2020, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(Hadji @ Aug 14 2020, 04:19 PM) The government fiddling with the death toll because they’re embarrassed that England has the highest death toll in Europe and proves conservatives are corrupt. Labour wouldn’t be doing this It's not really fiddling though, the old reporting mechanism was stupid, especially if you're the only country in the world reporting deaths in that way. Now you could argue that our "official" Covid-19 death toll isn't accurate in itself so the other figures added up to that. But pretty much every other country in Europe is in a similar position. |
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14th August 2020, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Aug 14 2020, 05:02 PM) It's not really fiddling though, the old reporting mechanism was stupid, especially if you're the only country in the world reporting deaths in that way. Now you could argue that our "official" Covid-19 death toll isn't accurate in itself so the other figures added up to that. But pretty much every other country in Europe is in a similar position. Plenty of other countries are retesting so they known when people have recovered. The UK abandoned that months ago. Yes, the policy of counting all deaths of people who had tested positive, however long ago, is daft. However, having a cut-off of 28 days (despite many people continuing to be ill for significantly more than 28 days) is no better. |
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14th August 2020, 04:22 PM
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Another thing they don’t tell us in this country is how many people have recovered and how many active cases there are
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14th August 2020, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 14 2020, 05:17 PM) Plenty of other countries are retesting so they known when people have recovered. The UK abandoned that months ago. Yes, the policy of counting all deaths of people who had tested positive, however long ago, is daft. However, having a cut-off of 28 days (despite many people continuing to be ill for significantly more than 28 days) is no better. I certainly don't disagree with the latter, but it seems that most other countries around the world are reporting similarly to this. But I also don't know what the answer is to having a reporting system that is accurate as possible. Our infections are creeping up again, I wonder how long it will be until we are put on the quarantine list from other countries? |
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14th August 2020, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Aug 14 2020, 05:27 PM) I certainly don't disagree with the latter, but it seems that most other countries around the world are reporting similarly to this. But I also don't know what the answer is to having a reporting system that is accurate as possible. Our infections are creeping up again, I wonder how long it will be until we are put on the quarantine list from other countries? The excess deaths figure is about as accurate as it gets, particularly as comparable figures should be available from all similar countries. |
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14th August 2020, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Aug 14 2020, 05:27 PM) Our infections are creeping up again, I wonder how long it will be until we are put on the quarantine list from other countries? Think we already are on a few? Sure I read France did it almost as a retribution move. It's a shame though, can't see anything changing (other than MORE countries being added) until well past Winter & Spring beyond... |
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14th August 2020, 05:05 PM
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A lot of people are putting the increase in cases down to faster testing
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14th August 2020, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(Hadji @ Aug 14 2020, 05:05 PM) A lot of people are putting the increase in cases down to faster testing What is the positive percentage of the tests? A lot of people around here were thinking the same but the percentage rose fast in some places. So there is definately an increase. However the spread is not at the level of March and April due to more testing now, but I feel like people will use this as an excuse until 20k new daily cases are reported or something |
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14th August 2020, 07:49 PM
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If the speed of testing back in March was at the same speed as it is now and masks were mandatory back then, the spread would’ve been slow and also, asymptomatic cases have done more damage than symptomatic cases
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15th August 2020, 10:21 PM
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Lol at all the Brits angry they've had to return from France before the quarantine tonight, my heart bleeds for them. You'd think that there wasn't a global pandemic or anything.
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15th August 2020, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Aug 15 2020, 11:21 PM) Lol at all the Brits angry they've had to return from France before the quarantine tonight, my heart bleeds for them. You'd think that there wasn't a global pandemic or anything. The Guardian mentioned one woman who knew there was a good chance of this happening, whose employer had said that anyone in quarantine would have to take unpaid leave but who still went ahead and travelled to France. She still seemed to be expecting sympathy but she won't be getting it from me. |
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15th August 2020, 10:39 PM
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I know it's so selfish with all that going on, can't you just give it a miss for ONE year like.
I see the CEO of Failte Ireland had to resign after going abroad even though its against government guidelines. |
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15th August 2020, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Aug 15 2020, 11:39 PM) I know it's so selfish with all that going on, can't you just give it a miss for ONE year like. I see the CEO of Failte Ireland had to resign after going abroad even though its against government guidelines. It's ridiculous. I have some sympathy for people who booked their holidays pre-Corona and are using the holiday still. But everyone moaning otherwise gets little sympathy "we should have had 72 hours notice". Yeah cos I am sure Coronavirus stops still for a little bit.. absolute idiots. Really don't know why they don't advise against foreign travel full stop and use government money to prop up the airline/travel system until the end of 2020. |
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