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 Friday, 07:35 AM
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There was also a clip of the Viva Forever conference between Victoria & Mel B that was frosty and awkward. Victoria asked if Melanie was moving to Australia and she abruptly replied that she lived there. All was not well.
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Friday, 04:18 PM
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Wasn’t it because Victoria didn’t lend Mel B her clothes and then they didn’t speak until that day?
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Yesterday, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE(Rebel @ 7th June 2024, 05:18 PM)  Wasn’t it because Victoria didn’t lend Mel B her clothes and then they didn’t speak until that day? That’s sounds like a lazy media story. 
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Yesterday, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(Scene @ 8th June 2024, 08:46 AM) That’s sounds like a lazy media story. Because it is
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Yesterday, 01:50 PM
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I never saw Viva Forever! on stage, so what I can say about it is somewhat limited. But I did listen to all the songs...and it was striking to me how often the show was dropping the ball with the arrangements. The obvious comparison is Mama Mia! For whatever criticisms you can aim at that show, it does the key things very well. First and most importantly, it's a great showcase for ABBA's music. It's also wisely about characters in the age range of ABBA's core fanbase. Viva Forever! was never that thoughtful. The talent show thing is an era after the Spice Girls, so the play to 90s nostalgia is lost there. This is less an issue...but I do find it a little curious Viva's cast (the mom's friends...and the daughter's friends) is made up of people who are actually both older AND younger than the core Spice Girls fans.
Could a Spice Girls musical have worked? Here's what I think they should have attempted. And I have zero expertise in this area. But. Eh. I'll tell you anyway. I don't think the Spice Girls story would work either. Their backstory is just not interesting in the way Jersey Boys or Tina: The Musical's are. But I would have people playing the Spice Girls. The personalities/iconography of the girls themselves are a lot more key to their success than in the case of the ABBA members. I don't think SpiceWorld: The Movie is on a level of beloved to adapt it directly...but I think it's in the right direction. Set the musical in 1997...and do a totally fictional Spice Girls story that's outlandish, camp, and funny and full of 90s references and figures of pop culture from that time. That way...there's a Spice Girls sugar rush with what people love about the group...without any of the "and then they disbanded cause they stopped caring..." stuff. |
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Yesterday, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Piers @ 8th June 2024, 02:50 PM) I never saw Viva Forever! on stage, so what I can say about it is somewhat limited. But I did listen to all the songs...and it was striking to me how often the show was dropping the ball with the arrangements. The obvious comparison is Mama Mia! For whatever criticisms you can aim at that show, it does the key things very well. First and most importantly, it's a great showcase for ABBA's music. It's also wisely about characters in the age range of ABBA's core fanbase. Viva Forever! was never that thoughtful. The talent show thing is an era after the Spice Girls, so the play to 90s nostalgia is lost there. This is less an issue...but I do find it a little curious Viva's cast (the mom's friends...and the daughter's friends) is made up of people who are actually both older AND younger than the core Spice Girls fans. Could a Spice Girls musical have worked? Here's what I think they should have attempted. And I have zero expertise in this area. But. Eh. I'll tell you anyway. I don't think the Spice Girls story would work either. Their backstory is just not interesting in the way Jersey Boys or Tina: The Musical's are. But I would have people playing the Spice Girls. The personalities/iconography of the girls themselves are a lot more key to their success than in the case of the ABBA members. I don't think SpiceWorld: The Movie is on a level of beloved to adapt it directly...but I think it's in the right direction. Set the musical in 1997...and do a totally fictional Spice Girls story that's outlandish, camp, and funny and full of 90s references and figures of pop culture from that time. That way...there's a Spice Girls sugar rush with what people love about the group...without any of the "and then they disbanded cause they stopped caring..." stuff. I love your idea! 
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Yesterday, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(Piers @ 8th June 2024, 02:50 PM) The talent show thing is an era after the Spice Girls, so the play to 90s nostalgia is lost there. This is less an issue...but I do find it a little curious Viva's cast (the mom's friends...and the daughter's friends) is made up of people who are actually both older AND younger than the core Spice Girls fans. I completely agree with yours points! Your idea to more or less go down the same path as Spiceworld The Movie could have landed much better. The talent show concept was a lazy - and I'd go as far as to say a disastrous - direction, in 2012. It just came across as tired, predictable, safe. Really it should have been at the bottom of their list of ideas, and yet that's what they went with.  The X Factor was still airing annually at that point, so therefore it was a current thing, with no nostalgia to tap into... while also swerving the 90s nostalgia completely, as you said. A bit bizarre.I saw it once, I was one of the preview shows in advance of the official opening that the Spice Girls attended. I didn't *hate* it... but it was weak, and I wasn't very engaged by it. It was very much a *look at watch to check what the time is* / *restlessly fidget in seat* experience, for me. I'll never forget a moment when a character said something that was supposed to be funny, and the audience didn't laugh - bar one person, a laugh that clearly belonged to Jennifer Saunders, and that was pretty awkward.  Sadly I think their relatively small discography wasn't helpful either. Three albums to draw from, compared to eight from ABBA. I also think the Spice Girls tried it far too soon - 16 years on from Wannabe, compared to ABBA doing it 25 years after their breakthrough hit Waterloo. |
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Yesterday, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(-Jay- @ 8th June 2024, 12:14 PM) Sadly I think their relatively small discography wasn't helpful either. Three albums to draw from, compared to eight from ABBA. This is definitely true. ABBA's a pretty rare case of having a mountain of hits to pull from. Still. Even with the Spice Girls' relatively small discography, I lean toward thinking it *could* have worked if they used the songs correctly. They just...didn't, in large part... When I heard the crowd recordings, the should-have-been-showstopper Who Do You Think You Are abruptly ended midway through the song in a way people seemed confused as to whether they should applaud. The initial crowd recordings I heard of Say You'll Be There was a stripped down version (I think they fixed this later in the run). The acoustic Viva Forever was pretty...but it obviously didn't hold a candle to the lush original. 2 Become 1 was played for laughs. Let Love Lead the Way, I Turn To You, and Do It were sung in overly theatrical ways that I didn't think gelled with the songs. I thought the Mama/Goodbye mashup worked...but...when you're dealing with a group with a smaller list of hits to choose from, I just wouldn't combine two of them. Then you have hit Holler and obvious fan favorite Never Give Up On the Good Times missing. I even thought it was a little awkward for the cast to change the phrasing of Headlines. It's like...why? Out of what I heard, the only stuff that was really landing was Wannabe, Spice Up Your Life, Stop, and...kinda randomly...Right Back At Ya. I mean. I like that song. I'm glad it got its due. But they gave a showcase to an album track off an under-appreciated album while they were messing up the big hits. But! All that said, relatively successful musicals have been built around singular albums by Green Day and Alanis Morissette. I'd kinda argue just about anything from Spice and Spiceworld is well-known enough to make it into the show...plus there's another two big hits off Forever and other songs to sprinkle in. It *could* work, I think... |
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Yesterday, 08:19 PM
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Oh god I turn to you was abysmal in the musical! The woman who sang it totally ruined the song, it was too low in pitch and the slowed down tempo was not right, the whole thing was ick!
I tell you what worked spectacularly though... Look at me! That was such a perfect song for the whole storyline! I am guessing that is why ITTY ended up in it, if Geri was having a solo career then Melanie, as the only remaining music releasing Spice Girl, was insisting on one in there too. Interesting none of Emma's made it, and she clearly wasn't bothered about it. |
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9 hours ago
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QUOTE(spiceboy @ 8th June 2024, 03:19 PM) Oh god I turn to you was abysmal in the musical! The woman who sang it totally ruined the song, it was too low in pitch and the slowed down tempo was not right, the whole thing was ick! I tell you what worked spectacularly though... Look at me! That was such a perfect song for the whole storyline! I am guessing that is why ITTY ended up in it, if Geri was having a solo career then Melanie, as the only remaining music releasing Spice Girl, was insisting on one in there too. Interesting none of Emma's made it, and she clearly wasn't bothered about it. So. From what I can remember from the fan conversation at the time...wasn't I Turn To You sung by a character into a mirror? Like...the character was really full of herself...and it was supposed to be funny...but the crowd just wasn't laughing? I think I remember fans saying the song got repurposed later in the run when it became clear its initial use wasn't working. I think it would be an odd choice to try and play for laughs. The tone/lyrics of I Turn To You don't immediately give me..."comedy" |
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9 hours ago
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I remember the theme was about having Botox and I remember hospital beds… it was really bizarre!
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8 hours ago
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Trash musical!
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