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 12th January 2020, 04:03 PM
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Bernie would have won. Guess what? Moderates don't inspire people to vote. The left does. It offers something different. The last election cycle should have told you that people want change, not establishment candidates. That's why Hillary lost to the anti-establishment, but really a secret elite establishment candidate, last time.
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12th January 2020, 04:16 PM
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 I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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The Rust Belt/Midwest is going to be one of the biggest battlegrounds if not the key one to win in this election for sure. You need a candidate that can win there. My gut feeling is that they'll easily go towards Trump if they see a Democratic Party that's not listening to their concerns and only puts up a 'Trump bad' candidate that represents the establishment. We'll obviously know more once we've had a few primary results but Sanders is the apparent favourite in that part of the country as things stand if his high engagement and enthusiasm ratings in Iowa currently can be replicated across the region - he got great results there last time too.
Those states could still easily go towards Trump anyway and that's why he's got a good chance of reelection. But you need someone that can combat him there - winning back the odd state in the Deep South in return won't cut it. |
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12th January 2020, 04:46 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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And let's remember how Bernie destroyed Hillary in those states, even wih the fske polls the establishment kept pumping out to try and support her.
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12th January 2020, 04:57 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Jan 12 2020, 04:46 PM)  And let's remember how Bernie destroyed Hillary in those states, even wih the fske polls the establishment kept pumping out to try and support her. I do admit Michael that I think Bernie has a better chance of beating Trump than Biden or anyone else. The polls seem to say so but of course a lot can happen once the campaign proper starts and the debates start. Trump will bang on about the economy doing well and he should as most encumbents get re-elected with a good economy. The last President not to get a second term was Bush Sr. in 1992, up against a younger vibrant but relatively unknown Bill Clinton. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 12th January 2020, 05:01 PM |
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12th January 2020, 05:10 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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He has been impeached. He looks extremely unhealthy and sounds it too. The economy is only doing well FOR THE RICH PLUTOCRATS and all the infustry he promised didn't come back, obviously. Agriculture is suffering from his trade war with China. Sooo yeaaaaah. Who is this economy working for? Well, not tbe average person, and THAT'S what matters. Do you think this won't be Bernie's reply every single time the orange bloat brings it up?? That's why Trump is already copying Bojo and saying he won't go to debates, etc, as he KNOWS he will be destroyed. He is fleeing from accountability.
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12th January 2020, 05:18 PM
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 Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Jan 12 2020, 04:03 PM) Bernie would have won. Guess what? Moderates don't inspire people to vote. The left does. It offers something different. You're still pushing this line, when it didn't work in the UK very recently either? |
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12th January 2020, 05:21 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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And you are still pushing rhe line that it was the policies, which are EXTREMELY POPULAR, and not the character assassination of Corbyn and the one party state media and the Tory lies and corruption, that was the problem. Lol.the Sun Daily Fail BBTory etc aren't polluting American politics with their right wing vile trash.
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12th January 2020, 05:33 PM
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From The Daily Beast.
Should Sanders actually pull off the feat of capturing the nomination, Donald Trump would have been given a gift that almost assures his re-election. Trump already refers to the Democrats as “the far-left Democrats” and has branded all of the potential candidates as socialists. “We will not live in a socialist America,” he said to cheers in one of his rallies, suggesting that such an outcome would occur should any Democrat win the White House. With Sanders as the presidential candidate, he could say without distortion that the Vermont senator’s end goal is a socialist United States. Two days before Christmas, Sanders appeared at a major rally, the first since his heart attack, in Venice, California. At the rally he was joined by his socialist comrade in arms, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Reporting on the event for Newsweek, reporter Benjamin Fearnow wrote that she said the United States shouldn’t be called an advanced society even though it is the richest country in modern history, but “for who?…We’re here to say that what we’re living in now is not an advanced society. A society that allows people—it is fascism.” Hopefully, sometime soon, rank-and-file Democrat activists and voters will come to their senses and understand that should Sanders win the nomination of his party, the election results will be a resounding victory for Trump. Our country is not the America of 1972, when Richard M. Nixon campaigned against the liberal-leftist Democratic candidate George McGovern, calling him the candidate of “amnesty, abortion and acid.” In that election, only one state, Massachusetts, gave the electoral college vote to McGovern. Nevertheless, a Sanders nomination would put many states in play that Democrats had easily won for a quarter-century. Sanders is where he is today in part because no one has really attacked him. But just wait until Republicans spend a billion dollars painting him as an extremist. He’d win Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, Delaware, California, Washington, and Hawaii, and also probably New York and Illinois. But a huge number of usually-blue states would be up for grabs. He would also find that Democratic candidates would run away from him. Many candidates running for governor, the Senate, and the House in purple states and districts would refuse to campaign with him, or at best make a half-hearted quick appearance. In 1972, the candidate hated most by the left and the liberals, Richard Nixon, became President of the United States. Is that what today’s Trump opponents really want to repeat? |
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12th January 2020, 05:36 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Same attack line they used on him in 2016. Pathetic that the establishment is STILL USING THE SAME LINE NOW WHEN THEIR ARGUMENT IS A PROVEN FAILURE!! They nominated a moderate and SHE LOST!! Bernie won, and by massive margins, the states she lost!! Please stop sharing things from the estabmishment daily beast mkay? Thanks.
I actually saw a yt video SAVAGING that establishment article earlier. Ridiculous. Btw, the only person who hasn't attacked him until now has been trump. Otherwise, he has been attacked a lot AND was attacked in 2016. And yet he's still top. Huh. Veeery popular with Repukes and independents too. Do the maths. Anything else, Trump supporter?? No?? Okay. Also, America has been CONSISTENTLY trending left, even as the UK stagnates and bows down to its disco citizens overlords, like it always has done. Sanders would have destroyed Trump last time. He will do it this time. |
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12th January 2020, 05:59 PM
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Yes I am a huge Trump supporter but want to post articles for both sides of the argument, both for and against his re-election. Then we get a wider viewpoint and wider opinions. I'm sure the Mods would agree that this is better.
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12th January 2020, 06:08 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Why? What does Trump do for YOU? He's a fat cat millionaire who won't reveal his taxes. NYS is bringing forward a legal case over his tax "irregularities". That's bad. The economy works only for the rich in both the UK and the USA and the neoliberal elite Trump just continues that. He has failed in everything, EVERYTHING!!!, he said he would do. He promised to revive dead industries in the usa in a globalised world lol. Did he f***. So I repeat: why?
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12th January 2020, 06:09 PM
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I agree that Trump's done nothing for me as I'm not an American. He brought a breath of fresh air to the Presidency. Don't suppose you've ever read his Twitter. He Tweets most days and it's said to be always him and he's hilarious some days.
Now why are you seemingly obsessed with Bernie? What has he done for you. He stood in 2016 and didn't even get the nomination. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 12th January 2020, 06:12 PM |
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12th January 2020, 06:12 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Exactly.
1. Tweets should NOT BE HILARIOUS FROM A PRESIDENT. If he wants to be a comedian, well, go ahead. But politics isn't a game. And you on the right will NEVER EVER get any respect from the left whilst you treat it as such. 2. He has not been. He has been like Hitler in his early years - a confusing mess on the international stage that has countries scrambling as he sidesteps international norms. This is appalling. 3. Bernie would mean a massive blow to the neoliberal world order and would shift the narrative globally. He will improve the lives of Americans and of people abroad as well. He is the one to support if you truly believe in humanism. |
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12th January 2020, 06:42 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Jan 12 2020, 06:12 PM) 2. He has not been. He has been like Hitler in his early years - a confusing mess on the international stage that has countries scrambling as he sidesteps international norms. This is appalling. I call Godwin! |
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12th January 2020, 06:44 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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But when that is exactly what he has been doing?
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12th January 2020, 07:42 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Jan 12 2020, 06:44 PM) But when that is exactly what he has been doing? Comparing anyone to Hitler is never useful. |
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12th January 2020, 09:58 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Learning from history is very useful.
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12th January 2020, 10:12 PM
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 Howdy, disco citizens
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Random thoughts, which might veer into the morbid, but hear me out:
As things stand, Sanders seems the most likely to win the nomination. However, my feeling is that if he does win the nomination, and subsequently wins the presidency (which at the moment, I still think it's Trump's to lose), I do not think that he will survive his entire 4-year term (I also think the same about Joe Biden). Therefore, the most important task that he (and Biden) will have to undertake will be to pick a strong vice-President pick. No doubt there'll be other major commentators making the same comment, so any VP pick will be treated as a de facto future president as well. I've seen a few commentators suggest that Biden knows this and is purposely using his still pretty intact reputation to get the Democrats over the line in November, at which point he'll take his leave and hand over to a younger Democratic candidate, but of course this would be mere speculation at this point. |
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12th January 2020, 10:21 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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BOOM. #feelthebern |
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13th January 2020, 04:44 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 12 2020, 07:42 PM) Comparing anyone to Hitler is never useful. I really want to AVOID this thread becoming a neverending slinging match between Chris and Michael over Sanders vs Trump and Trump's misdemeanours, the latter of which aren't relevant to the current discussion on primaries. I have already deleted some inane comments and I will continue to do so for those that don't advance arguments... but this is ridiculous. Hitler wasn't uniquely evil, there can be someone else who does just as bad things, and invoking the name of Godwin is not an excuse to shut down comparisons. Trump's anti-Muslim laws and lately his executive order to designate Jews a nationality are pretty racist and worrying moves from this administration. You should be concerned about this. |
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