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post Oct 23 2018, 10:09 PM
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Thanks very much to Karma and Joe for sharing! We now have updates for Jump, Whole Lotta History, I Think We're Alone Now, Walk This Way, Sexy! No No No... and Untouchable:

[2017/12] 726,000 - Sound of the Underground
[2018/11] 606,000 - The Promise
[2018/03] 359,301 - Call the Shots
[2018/06] 311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh
[2018/10] 301,784 - Jump
[2018/06] 292,827 - Love Machine
[2018/07] 241,738 - Can't Speak French
[2017/11] 235,000 - I'll Stand By You
[2018/02] 200,000 - Something New
[2018/06] 200,000 - Biology
[2017/07] 171,200 - The Loving Kind
[2018/10] 152,422 - Walk This Way
[2017/09] 149,992 - No Good Advice
[2018/10] 145,035 - Sexy! No No No…
[2018/10] 144,393 - Untouchable
[2017/07] 114,424 - The Show
[2018/10] 101,107 - I Think We're Alone Now
[2010/04] 90,000 - Life Got Cold
[2018/07] 87,671 - Wake Me Up
[2018/07] 75,271 - Long Hot Summer
[2018/10] 71,712 - Whole Lotta History
[2010/04] 70,000 - See the Day

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1st November 2018:
606,000 - The Promise (Source)

19th October 2018:
301,784 - Jump
152,422 - Walk This Way
145,035 - Sexy! No No No...
144,393 - Untouchable
101,107 - I Think We're Alone Now
71,712 - Whole Lotta History

27th July 2018:
241,738 - Can't Speak French
87,671 - Wake Me Up
75,271 - Long Hot Summer

22nd June 2018:
200,000 - Biology (Source)

8th June 2018:
311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh
292,827 - Love Machine

16th March 2018:
359,301 - Call the Shots

9th February 2018:
200,000 - Something New (Source)

21st December 2017:
726,000 - Sound of the Underground (Source)

7th November 2017: (Pure sales only)
235,000 - I'll Stand By You (Source)

15th September 2017:
149,992 - No Good Advice

28th July 2017:
171,200 - The Loving Kind
114,424 - The Show

24th April 2010: (Pure sales only)
90,000 - Life Got Cold (Source)
70,000 - See the Day (Source)
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post Oct 23 2018, 10:14 PM
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Yay! Great that all but two of their recent totals have been revealed within the past couple of years. Very pleased 'Jump' joins their 300k sellers.

Guess we can assume 'Life Got Cold' has sold over 100k and 'See the Day' is at ~90k then.
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Yay! Glad to see some updates!
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post Oct 23 2018, 10:30 PM
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I feel like although singles sales were in the doldrums when they were at their peak and the sales aren't as representative of their impact, album sales were so healthy they made up for it on that front.

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I thought Jump would have been a bit higher than that. I imagine Love Machine is ahead of it now.
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post Oct 24 2018, 04:23 AM
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^ I had imagined that Jump would be a bit closer to SKO's sales (i.e. exceeding 310k), but I'm pleased to see it's exceeded 300k at least! heart.gif It was on 250k in November 2013, so that's almost 52k sales in 4 years, 11 months.
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post Oct 24 2018, 06:28 AM
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I was thinking about how some of Girls Aloud's singles were fairly unlucky to not peak higher than they did. It was usually because of poorly chosen release weeks, although there were a couple of bizarre release strategies that hindered them too. They also experienced some singles achieving higher midweek positions than where they ended up placing for the official chart.

I am a chart nerd, forgive me for this very pointless post that I expect none of you to read. kink.gif

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No Good Advice - #2 entry/peak - 42,762 sales
29,598 sales behind #1: R Kelly 'Ignition Remix' - 72,360 sales

2 weeks earlier, #1: Tomcraft 'Loneliness' - 36,671 sales
3 weeks earlier, #1: Busted 'You Said No' - 41,000 sales

So 2 weeks earlier could have resulted in a comfortable #1 for them. I feel like this release would have stood to have achieved a better first week sale if they'd released CD1/CD2 formats, instead of CD/DVD. DVD singles were quite niche!

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Life Got Cold - #3 entry/peak - 31,963 sales

1 week later, #2: Blu Cantrell 'Breathe' - 31,000 sales (estimate)

Life Got Cold CD2 supposedly experienced distribution issues in the first week (I believe this to be true, because I remember not being able to find it until a week or so later!). Perhaps this single could have reached #2 rather than Lemar, if it hadn't have been for that. 'Dance (With U)' sold an estimated 33,000 copies to enter at #2, so it was pretty close between them.

One aspect of Life Got Cold peaking at #3 that is pretty cool though, is that it made Girls Aloud the first act to peak at #1, #2 and #3 with their first three releases!


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Jump - #2 entry/peak - 59,820 sales
8,800 sales behind #1: Westlife 'Mandy' - 68,620 sales

1 week earlier, #1: Busted 'Crashed The Wedding' - 55,088 sales
2 weeks earlier, #1: Kylie Minogue 'Slow' - 43,291 sales

Perhaps Busted & Britney Spears releases from the week before seemed like it would be too competitive, but Girls Aloud seemingly could have defeated them! Louis Walsh managed both Girls Aloud & Westlife at that time, so scheduling their releases together was certainly a conflict of interest... although I think we all know that Louis greatly favoured Westlife, haha.

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Love Machine #2 entry/peak - 35,828 sales
32,310 sales behind #1: Eric Prydz 'Call On Me' - 68,138 sales

1 week earlier, #1: Brian McFadden 'Real To Me' - 35,435 sales

That could have been a very close battle with Brian McFadden!

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Long Hot Summer #7 entry/peak - 18,451 sales

1 week earlier, #5: Iron Maiden 'The Trooper' - 14,726 sales
2 weeks earlier, #3: Craig David 'All The Way' - 14,883 sales | #4: Goldfrapp 'Ooh La La' - 14,745 sales | #5: Akon 'Belly Dancer' - 12,233 sales | #6: Ciara 'Oh' - Less than 10,000 sales

This was very unfortunate... most weeks of summer 2005 required far less sales to make the Top 5 or even the Top 3.

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Biology #4 entry/peak - 25,917 sales

2 weeks earlier, #2: Arctic Monkeys 'I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor' - 22,986 sales | #3: Pharrell 'Can I Have It Like That' - 18,535 sales
1 week later, #2: Westlife 'You Raise Me Up' - 23,073 sales | #3: Black Eyed Peas 'My Humps' - 19,059 sales

Rather high sales required for Biology to make it to #4 in that week, whereas in other weeks it would have been more than enough to manage Top 3.

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See The Day #9 entry/peak - 20,000 sales (estimate)

In the same week, Coldplay at #10 sold 19,846. Unfortunately we never found out a precise figure for See The Day, but 20k+ was assumed and it might have been nearer 25k. See The Day's sales were likely helped along by it being released in Christmas week, so it probably would have sold less had it come out a week earlier - but potentially could have achieved a higher peak. Only 14,916 was required to be #8 a week earlier / 15,522 for #7 / 17,898 for #6 / 20,135 for #5 / 21,322 for #4.

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Something Kinda Ooooh - #3 peak [physical release week] - 42,114 sales
12,688 sales behind #1: McFly 'Star Girl' - 54,802 sales
4,782 sales behind #2: Fedde Le Grande 'Put Your Hands Up For Detroit' - 46,896 sales


1 week earlier, #1: My Chemical Romance 'Welcome to the Black Parade' - 29,201 sales
1 week later, #1: Fedde Le Grand 'Put Your Hands Up for Detroit' - 34,391 sales

Something Kinda Ooooh downloads were released 1 week before the physicals. It sold 14,308 downloads to enter at #5. If they'd opted to release the download and physicals together instead (which would have been a more conventional strategy), perhaps they would have defeated McFly and got to #1? Although that is assuming that those who downloaded it a week earlier would have still downloaded if forced to wait a week. Alternatively if the SKO CDs had been released a week earlier than they were, I assume GA would have easily beaten My Chemical Romance to #1.

It was also unlucky for SKO not to at least make it to #2. In both of the weeks in which it ended up placing at #3, it started out as being midweek #2.


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I Think We're Alone Now #4 peak [physical release week] - 20,857 sales

1 week earlier, #3: Gwen Stefani 'Wind It Up' - 17,706 sales

Like with See The Day, perhaps I Think We're Alone Now's sales were helped along by it being Christmas week.

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Sexy! No No No... #5 peak [physical release week] - 21,612 sales
299 sales behind #4: James Blunt '1973' - 21,911 sales

1 week earlier, #4: Robyn 'With Every Heartbeat' - 20,357 sales
1 week later, #4: James Blunt '1973' - 17,377 sales

For some reason, Polydor opted to release the download three days in advance of the physical, which resulted in Sexy! entering at #64 with 1,693 sales, the week before full release. Wasted sales that more than likely denied them managing to chart at #4, given how close behind James Blunt they ended up being!

In the week that Sexy! climbed to its peak of #5, the sales for the #3 single are unknown. If they'd not released the download early and these sales had been achieved in physical release week instead, then 21,612 + 1,693 = 23,305 sales. For all we know, the #3 that week sold less than that - so perhaps they robbed themselves of a #3 peak. The #3 sales from a week later are unknown as well.


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Call The Shots #3 peak [physical release week] - 31,457 sales
311 sales behind #2: T2 'Heartbroken' - 31,768 sales

2 weeks earlier, #2: Take That 'Rule The World' - 30,220 sales

Call The Shots was midweek #2 all week, so it was very unlucky that T2 overtook them on the final day. cry.gif

This single had a strange release strategy... the CD singles were released a week after the Tangled Up album. Had they scheduled its release a week before Tangled Up, I think it would have undoubtedly made it to #2 instead of Take That 'Rule The World' (Leona Lewis 'Bleeding Love' was #1 with 74,549). I think #2 is the best they'd have ever managed around this time, considering Leona's dominance.

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Can't Speak French #9 peak [physical release week] - 19,556 sales

1 week later, #5: Madonna '4 Minutes' - 20,623 sales | #8: Chris Brown 'With You' - 16,037 sales

This could have potentially peaked at #6, #7 or #8 if the physicals/digital EP has been released a week later? Unfortunately the #6 & #7 sales from that week are unknown, but we can see that Chris Brown required 3,000 sales less to reach #8.

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The Loving Kind #10 peak [physical release week] - 19,655 sales

1 week earlier, #8: Beyoncé - Single Ladies - 19,200 sales
1 week later, #9: P!nk - Sober - 16,941 sales

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Untouchable #11 peak [physical release week] - 21,708 sales
2,883 sales behind #10: Beyoncé 'Halo' - 24,591 sales

2 weeks earlier, #10: Lily Allen 'Not Fair' - 21,149 sales
1 week later, #10: Beyoncé 'Halo' - 21,269 sales



Hindsight is a wonderful thing of course and this relies on assuming that their singles would have sold the same number of copies in different weeks to achieve these better peaks... but in summary, what could have been:

#1 - No Good Advice (2 or 3 weeks earlier)
#2 - Life Got Cold (1 week later | or in release week had there not been a distribution problem)
#1 - Jump (1 or 2 weeks earlier)
#1 - Love Machine (1 week earlier)
#3 - Long Hot Summer (2 weeks earlier)
#2 - Biology (2 weeks earlier or 1 week later)
Possibly #6, #7 or #8? - See The Day (1 week earlier)
#1 - Something Kinda Ooooh (1 week earlier or 1 week later | or if download/physical formats had been released together)
#3 - I Think We're Alone Now (1 week earlier)
#4 (maybe even #3) - Sexy! No No No... (1 week earlier or 1 week later | or if download/physical formats had been released together)
#2 - Call The Shots (2 weeks earlier | or if download/physical formats had been released together)
Possibly #6 or #7, definitely #8 - Can't Speak French (1 week later)
#8 - The Loving Kind (1 week earlier)
#10 - Untouchable (2 weeks earlier or 1 week later)

I would regard Something Kinda Ooooh as being their biggest missed opportunity for #1 - the download only week was daft (even though it was great that they managed to be the first British act to debut in the Top 5 without a physical release on sale).

Long Hot Summer was their only non-Top 5 hit that viably could have been a Top 5. I wonder if it would be better regarded by the fans had it been a Top 5 hit? It being their first to miss out surely tainted it.


Conversely, these releases were well timed:

The Show - #2 - 28,572 sales. The previous two weeks would have seen it enter at #3, had it sold the same.
Wake Me Up - #4 - 16,351 sales. The previous two weeks would have seen it enter at #5, and if it had been released a week later it may have found itself as low as #7!
Whole Lotta History - #6 - 11,720 sales. If released a week earlier, these sales would have only got them to #9.
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post Oct 25 2018, 02:48 AM
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Thanks for that Jay! I'm just as chart nerdy so that really interested me! tongue.gif

Wasn't it common practice for songs to be available to download prior to their physical release in the early years of downloading? As much as I'd have loved 'Ooh' to have been a #1, I don't think it was bad scheduling, just the way songs were released back then.

Agreed about 'Long Hot Summer'. I don't think it would have got as bad a rap for being lead single if it had made the Top 5, even if it's performance was otherwise the same.

Btw, could the new totals be added to the opening posts?
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post Oct 26 2018, 10:57 AM
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Glad you found it interesting! heart.gif

Indeed a lot of pre-album singles had the download released a week in advance of the physicals (I'd actually forgotten this!). I think it was largely a tactical choice from the labels to ensure that the songs were high up the iTunes chart by the time the physicals came out!

Not everyone did this though. McFly's Star Girl had all of its formats released in the same week, which evidently paid off for them. I looked back on old BuzzJack posts and interestingly Star Girl did quite badly on iTunes in its first week. The vast majority of the downloads came via pre-ordering it with a code on mobile phones. drama.gif


Will endeavour to update the thread asap!
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post Oct 26 2018, 11:46 AM
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Thank you so much for that Jay! That's actually genuinely fascinating.
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post Oct 26 2018, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 26 2018, 12:46 PM) *
Thank you so much for that Jay! That's actually genuinely fascinating.

wub.gif Thanks Aly! What could have been... the Untouchable sales generally being enough to be #10 in other weeks is probably the most galling discovery. :')
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post Oct 26 2018, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Oct 26 2018, 11:57 AM) *
Glad you found it interesting! heart.gif

Indeed a lot of pre-album singles had the download released a week in advance of the physicals (I'd actually forgotten this!). I think it was largely a tactical choice from the labels to ensure that the songs were high up the iTunes chart by the time the physicals came out!

Not everyone did this though. McFly's Star Girl had all of its formats released in the same week, which evidently paid off for them. I looked back on old BuzzJack posts and interestingly Star Girl did quite badly on iTunes in its first week. The vast majority of the downloads came via pre-ordering it with a code on mobile phones. drama.gif
Will endeavour to update the thread asap!

Maybe Girls Aloud should have taken the same strategy as McFly, given how strong physical sellers girl/boy groups are. Still, I think the girls were just generally unlucky to release at a more competitive time - I remember going through the 2006 sales and the 41k they sold to make #3 was pretty high in comparison to other #3s.

Would be interesting to know how the likes of Biology and Love Maching would have performed if released as leads - with the sales they did sale, plus theatrical sales from possible added interest from them being leads, maybe they could have been #1s?
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606,000 for The Promise! https://twitter.com/officialcharts/status/1...912954501414912

So that's 6k sales since the last update, which was 13 weeks ago. If it kept selling at that pace, then it's managing around 24k a year.
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what was the most recent figures for Cheryl
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Girls Aloud's cover of 'Jingle Bell Rock' enters the airplay chart at #79.
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Oct 23 2018, 10:09 PM) *
Thanks very much to Karma and Joe for sharing! We now have updates for Jump, Whole Lotta History, I Think We're Alone Now, Walk This Way, Sexy! No No No... and Untouchable:

[2017/12] 726,000 - Sound of the Underground
[2018/11] 606,000 - The Promise
[2018/03] 359,301 - Call the Shots
[2018/06] 311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh
[2018/10] 301,784 - Jump
[2018/06] 292,827 - Love Machine
[2018/07] 241,738 - Can't Speak French
[2017/11] 235,000 - I'll Stand By You
[2018/02] 200,000 - Something New
[2018/06] 200,000 - Biology
[2017/07] 171,200 - The Loving Kind
[2018/10] 152,422 - Walk This Way
[2017/09] 149,992 - No Good Advice
[2018/10] 145,035 - Sexy! No No No…
[2018/10] 144,393 - Untouchable
[2017/07] 114,424 - The Show
[2018/10] 101,107 - I Think We're Alone Now
[2010/04] 90,000 - Life Got Cold
[2018/07] 87,671 - Wake Me Up
[2018/07] 75,271 - Long Hot Summer
[2018/10] 71,712 - Whole Lotta History
[2010/04] 70,000 - See the Day

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1st November 2018:
606,000 - The Promise (Source)

19th October 2018:
301,784 - Jump
152,422 - Walk This Way
145,035 - Sexy! No No No...
144,393 - Untouchable
101,107 - I Think We're Alone Now
71,712 - Whole Lotta History

27th July 2018:
241,738 - Can't Speak French
87,671 - Wake Me Up
75,271 - Long Hot Summer

22nd June 2018:
200,000 - Biology (Source)

8th June 2018:
311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh
292,827 - Love Machine

16th March 2018:
359,301 - Call the Shots

9th February 2018:
200,000 - Something New (Source)

21st December 2017:
726,000 - Sound of the Underground (Source)

7th November 2017: (Pure sales only)
235,000 - I'll Stand By You (Source)

15th September 2017:
149,992 - No Good Advice

28th July 2017:
171,200 - The Loving Kind
114,424 - The Show

24th April 2010: (Pure sales only)
90,000 - Life Got Cold (Source)
70,000 - See the Day (Source)



Thanks for this, 4.8 million single sales....i think this time next year they'll break 5 million. Not bad for five girls plucked from obscurity on a tele show 16 years ago!
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https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...5-years__26540/

20 SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND GIRLS ALOUD 1 2002
40 THE PROMISE GIRLS ALOUD 1 2008
71 CALL THE SHOTS GIRLS ALOUD 3 2007
79 LOVE MACHINE GIRLS ALOUD 2 2004
82 SOMETHING KINDA OOOOH GIRLS ALOUD 3 2006
85 JUMP GIRLS ALOUD 2 2003

Last year Love Machine was behind Something Kinda Ooooh and Jump!
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I’m gutted that of all their singles to miss top ten it was Untouchable that was the one to do it and it’s even more painful it just missed out too I’d actually rather it have been like a #15 peak!

Do they still have the record or most consecutive singles to go top ten from their debut?
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Jun 13 2019, 05:21 PM) *
https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...5-years__26540/

20 SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND GIRLS ALOUD 1 2002
40 THE PROMISE GIRLS ALOUD 1 2008
71 CALL THE SHOTS GIRLS ALOUD 3 2007
79 LOVE MACHINE GIRLS ALOUD 2 2004
82 SOMETHING KINDA OOOOH GIRLS ALOUD 3 2006
85 JUMP GIRLS ALOUD 2 2003

Last year Love Machine was behind Something Kinda Ooooh and Jump!


3 of their best being the top 3 sellers is great to see.

If only Sexy No No No, and Biology could swap with Love Machine and Jump.
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That list puts Sound of the Underground over 786,000 - over 100,000 more than its last update 6 years ago?! ohmy.gif A shame to see a couple of their big hits missing due to the different sales climate but I'm still pleased with the ones that did make it
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