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Posted by: Juan Carlos 5th February 2020, 03:02 AM

Sam Smith's upcoming third album is called To Die For Love Goes and it will be released on May 1 October 30. Their new single is the "To Die For", which will be out on Valentine's Day.

Posted by: Frenchie 5th February 2020, 08:55 AM

Interested to see what this song will be like. Im assuming an album is coming soon?

Posted by: Jordan Lee 5th February 2020, 11:11 AM

The last few singles Sams released have been very different tbh so I’d be interested to see what an entire new album from them would sound like.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 5th February 2020, 03:03 PM

Yes. Three months. The OP was updated with this information.

Posted by: Frenchie 5th February 2020, 03:43 PM

Exciting! Hopefully its full of tracks like DWAS and HDYS.

Posted by: Jαsє 5th February 2020, 11:31 PM

THIS!

Two of the best singles of their career.

Posted by: Frenchie 8th February 2020, 09:15 AM

Sam is gonna be on Graham Norton on Friday! I can see the song getting a big chart debut

Posted by: slowdown73 9th February 2020, 12:45 AM

I loved dancing but wasn’t so keen on the last song.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 9th February 2020, 08:12 PM

If this era maintains the same quality of DWAS and HDYS? I might even be on board.

Something I never imagined I would say about Sam Smith!

Posted by: Dan17F1 9th February 2020, 09:11 PM

Were DWAS and HDYS on an album or might they be on this one? Really enjoyed both of those songs but didn’t really like anything that they did beforehand so I’m hoping it will be more of those kinds of songs

Posted by: Juan Carlos 10th February 2020, 12:30 AM

Announcement tomorrow.

Posted by: Jαsє 12th February 2020, 11:15 PM

Posted by: Jordan Lee 12th February 2020, 11:18 PM

I thought Sam was against using genders and no longer wanted to be referred to as him.

So how comes they can do this? One rule for addressing Sam yet they can do exactly what they want?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 12th February 2020, 11:29 PM

It's more to do with addressing somebody as the pronoun that they'd like to be addressed by, I don't believe Demi has specifically asked that people refer to her as "they"?

Posted by: Medellíam 12th February 2020, 11:33 PM

Yeah I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, Jordan. It comes across as trying to catch Sam out as if they aren't serious about the matter.

Posted by: .MIKE. 13th February 2020, 06:25 AM

I thought it was all about how Sam wanted to be addressed... They never said that they didn’t refer to other people with he/she..

Posted by: Juan Carlos 13th February 2020, 02:30 PM

The album will be available to pre-order tomorrow.

Posted by: Liаm 13th February 2020, 02:51 PM

It is about what Sam wants to be addressed as, of course their pronoun is for their identity, it doesn't mean they won't use the pronouns that other people go by (so he/she for most people). Idk what the point of that post was supposed to be? Ofc they won't use they/them for everybody, they/them mean that they themselves don't fit into he or she, and you should respect that in the same way Sam respects everyone else by using he/she to them.

Posted by: Jack 13th February 2020, 02:58 PM

This reads like something a Daily Mail reader would say

It's all about how they identify and what they feel comfortable identifying as.

Posted by: *CENSORED* 13th February 2020, 03:06 PM

oh gosh, not the exact same argument AGAIN

Posted by: Jonjo 13th February 2020, 03:07 PM

I hope that's not the cover.

They look like a Furby!!

Posted by: Juan Carlos 13th February 2020, 03:37 PM

That's the album cover.

Anyway, regarding the previous tweet, when Sam asked "What's her name?", they were referring to the mannequin, not themselves. I mean, it's been said that some of the mannequins have names on the label during the pop-up event and this one especifically had a label which said Demi Lovato, so it's been rumoured that there's a collaboration with her in the album.



Also, there's one with Labrinth.

Posted by: Bjork 13th February 2020, 03:51 PM

so Demi is on the single or the album? I'm confused

Posted by: Juan Carlos 13th February 2020, 04:01 PM

Album. Demi is rumoured to be in a song of the album, which isn't the title track because it's solo.

Posted by: Medellíam 13th February 2020, 04:02 PM

Not a fan of it either but at least their eyes aren't looking in different directions this time!

Posted by: blacksquare 13th February 2020, 04:26 PM

This attempt at some gotcha moment is truly bizarre — it doesn't take much to be a little less ignorant. How Sam identifies doesn't change how others identify. It's not that difficult.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 13th February 2020, 07:00 PM

I think the album cover's great! It says to me they're breaking away from the mundanity of their previous music/persona and this is the real them being unleashed!

Posted by: Hadji 13th February 2020, 07:03 PM

I hope they include "Promises" as a bonus track

Posted by: SKOB 13th February 2020, 07:11 PM

Pretty excited for this! Their dance stuff has always been brilliant

Posted by: LMLou 13th February 2020, 08:41 PM

Never thought I'd see they day where I would be excited for a Sam Smith album but here we are

Posted by: Spiceboy 13th February 2020, 10:35 PM

I'm really looking forwards to this, never thought I'd be anticipating a Sam Smith album!

Posted by: Jordan Lee 13th February 2020, 10:41 PM

The thing what I’m most drawn too on the cover is the beard colour what to me looks ginger but I swear I’ve never noticed Sam being ginger before?

As far as covers go it’s definitely eye catching. And musically I’m actually a really big fan I’ve always been a huge lover of their voice and their stuff on here what doesn’t get much love I tend to like. But a change in direction shows versatility I guess and there’ll probably be a few ballads on there too mixed in with the more up tempo stuff.

Posted by: Medellíam 13th February 2020, 10:48 PM

I've known of a fair few people get a ginger tinge to their beards despite not being ginger on top.

I do like what they're going for with the album cover and I like how vibrant it is, I just don't think super close-up, dead-on facial shots really do anyone that much justice.

Posted by: Wall 14th February 2020, 05:40 AM

This is v cute but a bit of a step backwards in terms of his recent output but much better than anything on his first album

Posted by: Jack 14th February 2020, 07:15 AM

This isn't their best Not a patch on Dancing With A Stranger or How Do You Sleep

Posted by: Dan17F1 14th February 2020, 07:59 AM

Yeah I don’t really like this either. Definitely no where near as good as their recent output which is a shame!

Posted by: Frenchie 14th February 2020, 08:01 AM

I'm really like this, although not really sure how its gonna fit with DWAS and HDYS on the album.

Also Promises, I Feel Love and Fire on Fire are all confirmed to be on the album.

Posted by: lewistgreen 14th February 2020, 08:04 AM

It's nice and chill I guess, I hope it grows on me.

Posted by: Jordan Lee 14th February 2020, 10:06 AM

It sounds more like a Sam Smith on paper song which might explain why I like it on first listen. It’s a slow song but not in a big ballad kind of way and vocally it’s delivered more softly as well. I can see it growing for a lot of people I’m quite sold on this though and the video as well. It’s showing progression for sure but I think he needed something like this after the stuff what’s been released prior like they’ve helped to build a newbase for them where as this is appealing to the fans what they already had from albums 1 and 2.

Posted by: darrens94 14th February 2020, 11:01 AM

It’s not his best, it would be an alright album track but not good enough to be a single. Hope there’s much better on the album along the lines of ‘How Do You Sleep?’ Also didn’t think ‘I Feel Love’ and especially ‘Fire on Fire’ would have been included.

Posted by: Bjork 14th February 2020, 11:08 AM

I like this one on first listen, much more than How Do I Sleep, never got used to the weird drop in that song
is he really gonna include Fire on Fire? That was a pretty un-memorable song, same for his I Feel Love cover, so uninspiring

Posted by: Jordan Lee 14th February 2020, 11:18 AM

I’m thinking that Fire on Fire and I Feel Love might be deluxe only tracks

Posted by: LMLou 14th February 2020, 11:45 AM

This new one is definitely a step back for me, I even prefer I Feel Love

Posted by: kye 14th February 2020, 11:53 AM

i really like this! they were due a ballad, it’s kind of what they’re known for. they’ll be hoping for another radio hit to get some pre-orders for the album.

Posted by: Jonjo 14th February 2020, 04:31 PM

Can y'all try and use the correct pronoun, please? Thank you

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As for the song, it's cute enough. Could be endearingly cute, depending on how often I go back to it. I couldn't watch the video though. There's nothing I am scared of more than Spiders, but Mannequins/Dolls run them very close aha. So I had to stop watching the video.

Posted by: kye 14th February 2020, 05:06 PM

first read of this, i was like wtf where were the spiders?!

Posted by: lewistgreen 15th February 2020, 12:15 AM

I Feel Love is track #8, Fire on Fire is track #14 on the standard version. No deluxe (yet)

Posted by: Steve201 15th February 2020, 01:16 AM

I like this track it's standard Sam Smith but that's a good thing, solid song to start the album campaign.

Does Jake Gyllenhaal get an actual feature?

Posted by: Red Blooded Man 15th February 2020, 06:37 AM

The song is a lot less melodramatic and the chorus still manages to be catchy enough. It's a grower overall.

Posted by: slowdown73 15th February 2020, 09:34 AM

I think he will struggle and perform considerably less well with this new album. The new song is nice but doesn’t stand out enough to be a big hit.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 16th February 2020, 02:31 AM

Demi's collaboration (track #11) is called "I'm Ready" and Labrinth's collaboration (track #9) is called "Love In C Major". Both of them were revealed by Olly http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/7311621/thread and http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/7311635/thread, respectively, so he's the source.

If it's considered that there's a video shoot of the former song, it seems that it will be the next single.

Posted by: SLlewellyn 16th February 2020, 04:24 PM

LOVE “To Die For”, much more interesting than any of the ballads on the last album. This next album is going to have all sorts on it, I can’t wait!

Posted by: Jonjo 16th February 2020, 04:56 PM

Please?

Posted by: Jonjo 16th February 2020, 11:09 PM

*In reference to deleted post*

I don't care if Sam ever views this thread or not, I'm not tolerating any disrespectful, rude and ignorant comments irregardless of whether that specific artist (whether it's Sam, Anne-Marie or bloody Madonna) is likely to read the thread.

Any further ignorant posts like the one I just deleted will get a warning. I've posted (rather politely?) asking if people could please use the correct pronouns twice. I've let the first batch of comments off, coz I understand people slip up sometimes as it's a relatively new thing for most people, but I'm not tolerating any more now these warnings have been issued.

Thank you.

Posted by: Steve201 16th February 2020, 11:19 PM

What was the rude comment?

Posted by: .MIKE. 16th February 2020, 11:40 PM

I generally think it’s okay to forgive people for misgendering for a while yet.. the world has been conditioned into referring to people as he/she and it seems incredibly unfair and non-productive to vilify people for getting it wrong! And really does not help in making a change! It just results in people feeling too scared to talk about it !

However, having said that.. every thread about Sam Smith is full of comments which do not misgender and refer to Sam as they/their. We read previous comments before posting, so how the hell are we mis-gendering here?!

And back on topic, I love the new song. Probably the weakest of the 3 singles so far, but will hopefully help with album pre-orders and sell it

Posted by: Jonjo 16th February 2020, 11:45 PM

I agree. Which is why I have ignored being harsh on the earlier posts that still mis-gendered them. I gave two polite notifications/warnings about this. I'm not having some sarcastic remark that completely sounds like they're purposefully gonna ignore the requests just because "It's not like Sam Smith will read the comments... " or whatever.

Posted by: Mikal 17th February 2020, 10:44 AM

Absolutely, and it is nothing to do with Sam Smith reading this thread in particular. There could be a forum member on here who is coming to terms with their identity and seeing someone like Sam being misgendered could be very triggering. Think before you post everyone, it's really not difficult.

Posted by: Bré 17th February 2020, 08:35 PM

I had kind of low expectations for this despite liking their previous singles from this era what with it being a ballad but I am actually really liking this, beautiful stuff Sam has really done a total 180 for me this era from being one of my least favourite mainstream artists to actually being one of the more consistently good ones!

Didn't expect 'Fire On Fire' to actually be on the album but I thought that was surprisingly good as well. Didn't really care too much for their cover of 'I Feel Love' but 4 out of 5 ain't bad ~

Posted by: Jαsє 17th February 2020, 10:58 PM

Well I'm surprised after reading the comments because on first listen I'm hooked Gorgeous song.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 17th February 2020, 11:10 PM

This has grown on me the more I’ve played it I really like it a lot now . It’s not like there usual ballads from the past . I’ve liked all 3 singles so far .

Posted by: Codester X 18th February 2020, 12:20 AM

I’m surprised that people are gravitating towards liking this despite it being more textbook Sam Smith than their previous two singles! it’s a cute song

Posted by: Steve201 18th February 2020, 02:14 PM

It's a class song, I must be one of the few who loves their ballads more than their upbeat single

Posted by: Voodoo 24th February 2020, 09:31 AM

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th February 2020, 09:42 AM

This is different from all those dreadful ballads they did previously, the production is more interesting and it's not as whiny "poor me" as the others were.

Posted by: J00ps 24th February 2020, 09:50 AM

I think its lovely. I'm getting Imogen Heap from that vocoder

Posted by: Voodoo 24th February 2020, 02:11 PM

I'm getting CHER from that vocoder.

Posted by: Mack. 24th February 2020, 04:07 PM

I didn't know what to expect but all I got to say is that he doesn't disappoint with this.

Posted by: Codester X 24th February 2020, 10:38 PM

the answer is technology ~

Posted by: Voodoo 25th February 2020, 02:23 PM

Posted by: lewistgreen 5th March 2020, 03:31 PM

Remixes of To Die For from Madism, Blinkie, Y2K and Olafur Arnalds are out tomorrow

Posted by: Wall 5th March 2020, 07:21 PM

This is actually incredible. It’s grown on me so much.

Posted by: Bré 5th March 2020, 07:27 PM

Ólafur Arnalds remix??! That seems extremely out of leftfield but it could be great.

I think this is now my fave Sam song btw, it's only grown on me more and more with repeated listens.

Posted by: Bjork 5th March 2020, 08:04 PM

I have to admit this also has become my #1 Sam Smith song
I was not fully on board with any of the songs from last year, Dancing with a Stranger was ok but didn't love it as much as everybody else
and was very disappointed with How Do You Sleep, which I find it weird in a bad way with a bizarre non-sensical drop,
and then the cover of I Feel Love was total fail, a 0/10

so very surprised even with myself by liking this so much, it's a ballad but it's not dull or a snooze fest, and it's modern
it's a pity it hasn't had much playlist support

Posted by: Voodoo 28th March 2020, 08:33 PM

The acoustic version is lush.

Posted by: Jordan Lee 28th March 2020, 09:17 PM

I much prefer this to the last few singles they brought out too.

Ballad / mellow Sam over pop Sam ANYDAY for me.

Posted by: dan.G 30th March 2020, 03:43 PM

this is going to be Delayed and released with a different title now (occ report)

Posted by: ___∆___ 30th March 2020, 03:46 PM

I can’t believe he’s scrapped the whole project and changing the title? Considering it was meant to be released on May 1st then all the formats (CD, Vinyl’s and Cassettes) must have already been produced?

Posted by: Tangela 30th March 2020, 03:48 PM

I must be the only one who finds this to be the dullest of Sam's singles discography to date 👀 Haven't heard it many times yet though, perhaps it will eventually grow past dull for me...

Posted by: Scene 30th March 2020, 04:07 PM

What a mess. To be fair though the original album title was crap. As for the song itself, I can only take ballad Sam in small doses and this veers towards pathetic whining. It just plods on and on and gets boring very quickly. The 'yearning for love' idea is fine and all but the end result doesn't do it for me. Much prefer I'm Not the Only One out of their ballads.

Posted by: Jonjo 30th March 2020, 05:31 PM

As it's been a while, please remember to use the correct pronouns when referring to Sam. Thank youuu.

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I believe they're making some "important changes" to the album. I assume they mean that 'To Die For' will be either renamed or scrapped from the album and I think they'll end up doing new tracks for some tracks that they probably had recorded but found the tracks to be just as unsuitable for example.

Posted by: Slick 30th March 2020, 05:33 PM

It's a shame they have decided to push the album back, and make some changes. I had a feeling it was going to be really strong. Fingers crossed that's still the case after the changes.

Posted by: LMLou 30th March 2020, 05:36 PM

Hoping they take note that DWAS and How Do You Sleep done a bit better than To Die For and include more upbeat tracks rather than ballads as I'm finding them A LOT better from Sam

Posted by: lewistgreen 30th March 2020, 05:47 PM

June 5th is the new date but still listed as To Die For (for now)

Posted by: Jαsє 30th March 2020, 06:05 PM

Sam's last three singles have been brilliant so I'm actually hyped for the album!

Posted by: Bjork 30th March 2020, 06:09 PM

but doesn't mean the whole project is scrapped, they'll probably kick a couple songs out and add a few

Posted by: lewistgreen 30th March 2020, 06:21 PM

It’s only back 5 weeks. It’ll just be a title change

EDIT: Ignore me I’ve just seen their social media post

Posted by: Bré 30th March 2020, 06:53 PM

I find this current oversensitivity about song/album titles (with the songs being dropped from the R1 playlist, Powfu's song being renamed and now this) a little bit silly tbh. People die all the time, it's never stopped artists from releasing things with death in the title before despite it being something that's statistically guaranteed to be somewhat insensitive/uncomfortable to quite a lot of people at any given time. 'To Die For' isn't even about death, it's literally just a cliché about love (sensitivity about 'death bed' makes a little more sense as it's more directly relatable to the current crisis but even so, it should surely be obvious that it's not meant to have anything to do with coronavirus, it's like when Kesha's 'Die Young' was removed from US radio rotation, sure it's a little bit unfortunate but it's just a song).

Posted by: Purple Kecleon 30th March 2020, 07:04 PM

Why do I have a feeling that they'll scrap To Die For because it's another Sam ballad and that's not the vibe they want to go for this time?

Posted by: Riser 30th March 2020, 07:17 PM

I mean, if it wasn't the vibe they wanted to go for they wouldn't have released the song in the first place. I think the only reason it'd get scrapped is due to the references to dying, which like Bré said are minimal and not even the main subject matter of the song.

Posted by: Scene 30th March 2020, 07:47 PM

I couldn't have said it better myself. Although, I get the censorship/banning of Die Young because the tone and lyrics of the song were just so inappropriate for such a tragedy.

Edit: Sorry edited my previous post. I can still be a bit thoughtless when referring to Sam.

Posted by: Hadji 30th March 2020, 10:29 PM

If Sam can’t think of an album title, they should just name it after one of the songs on their album

Posted by: Jαsє 30th March 2020, 10:49 PM

Totally agreed tbh

Posted by: isolAddy! 30th March 2020, 10:57 PM

I also question myself, do people really be like 'I would listen to they song/album but it says 'Die' on a title and right now it's not a proper time to listen to they song'?!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 31st March 2020, 01:38 PM

I imagine the backlash they might face could be insurmountable though, especially if by early May the pandemic has worsened significantly.

Posted by: Jay ☆ 1st April 2020, 02:22 AM

The initial pushback to a release date of 5th June occurred on 17th March. 17th March is 6 weeks before the original 1st May release date; I wonder if the physical formats had already been pressed by then, or if they changed their plans to 5th June before production went ahead.

If the physicals are in existence already... what a waste! 🤭 Hopefully the decision to delay to an unspecified date means that they altered plans before physical copies were going to be pressed.

I agree that the assumed sensitivity towards the ‘To Die For’ title is a bit much, but I suppose Sam erring on the side of caution is for the best. I wonder if the To Die For song will be scrapped from the track list too? A shame if so. For me it’s by far their best ballad!

Posted by: Yog 1st April 2020, 03:51 AM

It was never said that the album was going to be rerecorded or new songs were going to be added, idk why there are so many waterworks and claims of scrapping in various music forums. The album is being retitled because the name feels inappropriate atm, and it's likely being delayed due to fears this won't roll over in time. That or there's work needed to go through with a name change (such as repackaging albums, if a tour was scheduled they'd probably need to go through a process of trying to readvertise, and a whole hoop full of PR meetings). I feel like the new release date will likely be fairly close to the June 5th release date because I doubt they'd push it much further than that. Everyone has to keep in mind that the album was originally scheduled to come out very close to now, and was only pushed back due to covid, meaning the album is for sure done and finalized, doubt they'd just scrap that.

Posted by: Yog 1st April 2020, 04:19 AM

The album still listed with the June 5th date in ITunes, Amazon, Apple Music and other music selling outlets... keep In mind Sam never publicly announced the June 5th date, it was found out by people on ITunes, It’s very likely this is Sam’s new release date that was already revealed...

Posted by: Jay ☆ 1st April 2020, 05:35 AM

"I have come to the decision to continue working on the album and make some important changes and additions" seems to imply that the track list they'd originally settled on won't end up being what we'll get (but seeing as a track list was never revealed it might end up being impossible to ascertain what changes were made, hmm). The title being scrapped & the release date becoming a TBA situation, was mentioned separately to 'important changes and additions' - surely that can only be in reference to the songs?

"There will be an album this year, I promise! But until then I am still going to bring out some new music over the next few months" doesn't make the album seem like it would arrive as imminently as 2 months from now, but we can only wait and see!

Posted by: Yog 1st April 2020, 06:00 AM

It seems to me the changes are the title & release date.

Because Why scrap songs when the album is already 2B streams on Spotify, while also 800k Riaa units already sold (Pre-Release) and the statements is very vague but many are going with their assumptions, it’s very likely they have June 5th release date on hold just in case they might have to push even farther since this virus hasn’t peaked yet.

I’m pretty sure the tracklist is staying the same.

Posted by: Bjork 1st April 2020, 06:49 AM

^disdn't you read the post above you?

Posted by: Yog 1st April 2020, 11:36 AM

Yes. And it still doesn’t make sense to me... Scraping songs takes to much time and there’s no reason.

Posted by: ___∆___ 1st April 2020, 12:08 PM

Scrapping the whole project when all the CDs, Vinyl, Cassettes etc., have already been produced is madness. Sam and the label obviously see the timing of the album as a huge risk and the lack of success (for Sam’s standards) of the new single too has obviously bothered them enough.

Posted by: Yog 1st April 2020, 01:03 PM

But the album is an success, the single flopped because various radio stations took it down because of obvious reasons...

Posted by: Spiceboy 1st April 2020, 01:05 PM

Agree with every word

Posted by: Jay ☆ 1st April 2020, 01:14 PM

Well it’s literally come from the horse’s mouth that the album will have changes & additions, so... whether that makes sense to you or not, it’s happening!

Posted by: Yog 1st April 2020, 01:18 PM

Maybe couple songs perhaps but the entire album.. tho, not happening

But regardless.. let’s see what happens

Posted by: martinittoe 6th April 2020, 01:16 AM

I know a person who’s been invited to that closed album listening event and she’ll tell me, after the album’s released, if and how does it vary from the original one. I’ll tell you all after the album’s released

Posted by: Bjork 6th April 2020, 05:16 AM

for me it makes perfect sense that they wanna change things, its the same with Gaga
some songs change meaning under the current circumstances
like To Die For, when they were singing it before it had a genera abstract meaning
but not it's very literal and probably the songwriter doesn't feel the same connection to the song anymore

Posted by: Jay ☆ 6th April 2020, 05:24 PM

Thank you! Welcome to the forum by the way

Posted by: Yog 6th April 2020, 06:02 PM

It won’t be much different...

Posted by: Jay ☆ 17th April 2020, 12:13 PM

Smith also spoke about their recent decision to not only postpone, but rename their upcoming third studio album (originally titled To Die For). Smith told Lowe that the decision to make those changes "hasn't been challenging," and that they may make even more changes to the final product.

"I don't even know if I'm going to put 'Dancing With a Stranger' on there, and 'How Do You Sleep' and 'To Die For,'" they said. "I think might take them off and do something completely fresh and it'll be a completely new album."

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/pride/9359669/sam-smith-demi-lovato-collab-interview

Posted by: Liam.k. 17th April 2020, 12:23 PM

Why? Why would you take them off? They were relevant enough to the album before so what's changed?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 17th April 2020, 12:29 PM

That doesn't leave me feeling hopeful, they're among the only things I've ever liked by them.

Posted by: ___∆___ 17th April 2020, 12:47 PM

What an odd move to take the big hits off, I think the lack of success In comparison to Sam’s usual levels of ‘Too Die For’ along with the current situation made them rethink the whole project? An expensive move as physicals had been pressed etc.,

Posted by: Jay ☆ 17th April 2020, 03:29 PM

Could it be the case that physicals weren’t pressed? The May 1st date was delayed to June 5th on March 17th. Perhaps that was around the time that the pressings were going to take place, and the initial delay was to buy them some time? Then on March 30th it was delayed indefinitely. So they might have avoided having to scrap physicals. Or is there evidence that physicals exist?

If they were pressed, it would be incredibly costly for the label to scrap 3 (or was it 4?) variants of a vinyl. Burning money, to then have to print a second version of an album that might be a downturn in the commercial success Sam was previously used to... would be a very risky move from their label!

‘To Die For’ as it was originally conceived is beginning to feel like it’s going to become Sam’s “lost album”!

Posted by: martinittoe 19th May 2020, 04:01 PM

All except three posts on Sam’s instagram have been hidden (they probably will come back later). Those three posts likely mean 3 days left (from now to friday) until the album’s announcement on the 22nd. We’ll see tomorrow if im right
The album’s probably coming late June.

Posted by: Yog 23rd May 2020, 12:45 AM

Officials Charts labeled the album “coming soon”

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 4th July 2020, 10:50 AM

'Fix You (live)' is releasing on Monday, a Coldplay cover perhaps?

Posted by: Slick 4th July 2020, 11:49 AM

I don't mind Sam going away to rework the album, but I hope they stay true to their recent sound because songs like 'Dancing With A Stranger' and 'How Do You Sleep?' are so good.

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 6th July 2020, 11:05 AM

aaaand it is a Coldplay cover

Posted by: Bjork 6th July 2020, 11:23 AM

cannot really see the point in releasing this

Posted by: martinittoe 17th July 2020, 12:02 PM

Apparently the new EP „Dance” is out now with no announcement. What’s going on wtf

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 17th July 2020, 12:05 PM

That's just a compilation of some old songs, a few artists have been doing that lately based around different themes.

Posted by: Bré 17th July 2020, 12:30 PM

I have to wonder if there are people out there who actually stream these 'compilation' EPs. Justin Bieber put out like a dozen of them. I guess they have to be working to some extent otherwise these artists are just cluttering their Spotify profiles for no benefit

Posted by: Frenchie 17th July 2020, 01:04 PM

What's even happening with this project. Is there still gonna be an album or is it an ep, cause its been a year and a half now since DWAS.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 17th July 2020, 03:35 PM

They need to release a more uptempo club banger with a dance producer and that would probably get them back on track .

Posted by: Bjork 19th July 2020, 12:15 PM

the song with Demi really killed the project it seems :/

Posted by: Scene 19th July 2020, 01:55 PM

I think Sam should approach Calvin to produce their next single.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 21st July 2020, 03:29 AM

FYI, an EP (not to be confused with the Dance EP because both of them are different) is slated to be released in September and it's a new project not related with their third album, which situation is unclear.

Posted by: Bjork 21st July 2020, 06:04 AM

a new EP but no album? makes no sense after all this delay

Posted by: lewistgreen 21st July 2020, 07:46 AM

You just know it’s going to be an EP of everything we’ve had so far so it can then all be sidelined with maybe one extra track

Posted by: Frenchie 21st July 2020, 08:24 AM

I really don’t see the point of an EP at this point. Especially when a few months ago there was material for a whole album. I hope Sam doesn’t ditch all the singles since DWAS.

Posted by: Bjork 21st July 2020, 08:55 AM

They really should have released an album after How Do You Sleep
a dance album withPromises, Dancing with a Stranger and How Do You Sleep would have been greatly received
This album campaign is even worst than Ellie Goulding's

Posted by: Slick 21st July 2020, 09:15 AM

I will be frustrated if Sam has sidelined all of the recent material (which has been really refreshing and a great new direction for them), just to release an album of ballads. I wanted DANCEY SAM.

Posted by: Bjork 25th July 2020, 05:41 PM

just noticed they added a new EP to Spotify in a similar way to Dance
but this is called Heartbreak and it includes To Die For and some oldies

bug not sure what it means, if they're ditching all these songs included in those Dance and Heartbreak EPs?

Posted by: Bré 25th July 2020, 07:06 PM

It means nothing, they're basically just short playlists.

Posted by: dannjohn 26th July 2020, 03:21 PM

Their probably being by the label to see which ones gain what audience / popularity...

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 26th July 2020, 03:31 PM

They could look at the figures of the songs themselves for that 😅

Posted by: dannjohn 27th July 2020, 11:39 AM

But on a streaming platform... their ballads might not perform as well as their dancier song.. market research I'd say.

Posted by: Bjork 27th July 2020, 11:42 AM

what is clear, nobody wants a Demi duet

Posted by: Bjork 28th July 2020, 10:35 PM

First single of a new EP is coming. The single is called My Oasis and features Burna Boy. The EP also includes a collaboration with Labrinth.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 29th July 2020, 07:46 PM

Out tomorrow at 7:20pm. BST.

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 24th August 2020, 03:53 PM

'Temptation' with Tiwa Savage is out now, from her upcoming album.

Posted by: Yog 26th August 2020, 01:16 PM

It’s happening
https://twitter.com/ssmithcharts/status/1298299892830437377?s=21

Posted by: HarryEzra 26th August 2020, 01:21 PM

I cant wait to hear their new music!

Posted by: Bjork 26th August 2020, 02:16 PM

finally

Posted by: Yog 3rd September 2020, 03:54 PM

New Single “Diamonds”, September 18th

https://twitter.com/ssmithcharts/status/1301484961535602691?s=21

Posted by: Bjork 3rd September 2020, 04:06 PM

upbeat dance funk
yay!

Posted by: Juan Carlos 18th September 2020, 12:17 AM

Their upcoming third album is called Love Goes and it will be released on October 30.

View this post on Instagram

Posted by: Frenchie 18th September 2020, 03:28 AM

Exciting! I'm glad all of the previous singles made it onto the album also.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 26th September 2020, 12:18 PM

Quite surprised that there’s no vinyl for this!

Posted by: lewistgreen 26th September 2020, 12:24 PM

November 13th

https://store.samsmithworld.com/*/Music/Love-Goes-Vinyl/6P9P0WPS000

Posted by: Brightest Blue 26th September 2020, 12:58 PM

Is that a new tactic? I’ve seen that happen quite a few times recently?

Posted by: Yog 26th September 2020, 07:34 PM

many artists release them after the album drops so it’ll help with sales the week those are released.

Posted by: Scene 26th September 2020, 09:14 PM

I don't like the title. Very plain. But I'm intrigued about the music.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 26th September 2020, 09:39 PM

Yes that’s what I’m saying. It never used to happen. It’s a good tactic!!

Posted by: Steve201 27th September 2020, 08:51 AM

Really looking forward to listening to the album as there’s been so many highlights over the past two years from them. Albeit I haven’t charted any single since ‘To Die For’

Posted by: jlj 20th October 2020, 10:26 PM

This era is kinda not instantly grabbing me. I think all the pre album tracks just don’t have much correlation between them and although it’s good to see experimentation happen I don’t quite think it’s had me sold. I wonder what the original album sounded like pre COVID / the postponement / rename.

Posted by: Yog 21st October 2020, 02:51 AM

I think most of us can agree this at least better than their last album.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 21st October 2020, 05:29 AM

It’s their BEST album already. I’m so excited!

Posted by: Bjork 21st October 2020, 06:47 AM

it's not a tactic, it's cos of cover they cannot get the vinyls on time lol

Posted by: Brightest Blue 21st October 2020, 06:51 AM

And you know that because...?

You may be right, but holding vinyls back for a week or 2 does seem like a great strategy to send it back up the charts!

Posted by: Frenchie 21st October 2020, 06:59 AM

Looks like the vinyls are being released on the 30th anyway.

Posted by: Yog 21st October 2020, 02:45 PM

According to an source from ATRL,

Chill dance-pop album, most like Dancing With A Stranger, there aren't huge bops

"Young" - acapella vocals drowned in vocoder, "Another One" - four on the floor chill beat that would play in cafés or H&M, "For The Lover That I Lost" and "Forgive Myself" piano ballads, "Kids Again" Harry Styles meets Sam Smith, the most upbeat song is Dance (breakdown with vocal chops)

Posted by: Bjork 21st October 2020, 02:56 PM

sure a late vinyl release helps getting a 1-week mini-sales bump
but it also negatively impacts your 1st week total
you want all your formats out on week1 to maximise chart position and sales

Posted by: Steve201 21st October 2020, 09:55 PM

Really looking forward to their album!

Posted by: jlj 21st October 2020, 11:31 PM

Does anyone know the pre-orders for this?

Probably would’ve been an easy #1 until Ariana announced she was releasing the same day.

I think Sam should probably be at least set for #2 with around 35k sales maybe? They definitely have a strong fanbase with albums and can sell albums too.

Posted by: Frenchie 21st October 2020, 11:47 PM

I think this is gonna really underperform compared to the last two albums unfortunately. I'm thinking around 20k.

Posted by: jlj 22nd October 2020, 12:09 AM

I was thinking between 30 and 35k maybes.

I still think they are very capable of selling physical copies and can imagine the album itself selling well. They’ve cleverly tagged on a lot of singles to this album so it’s chart performance should also be pretty strong. #2 would still be a great achievement though in all honesty but this week was their best shot at #1 i imagine Sam could outsell the vamps ik they didn’t know about Ariana at the time though).

I wonder how this will do in the US as well. They are quite big there aren’t they! Possible top 3 debut for there as well?

Posted by: Yog 22nd October 2020, 12:10 AM

Lol y’all do realize Thrill did 97k with just ONE successful compared to Ari’s 65k and Love Goes singles have charted much better than their last era... don’t underestimate them!

Posted by: Yog 22nd October 2020, 12:16 AM

Also.. their upcoming livestream concert album had the option of bundling the album with the tickets, and Sam obviously has fanbase maybe not the kind for example “Stan Culture” but the kind that would but their album on the name alone

60k - 80k

Posted by: Frenchie 22nd October 2020, 08:00 AM

Yes, but that was back in 2017 when album sales were still really high. Also, I think Sam has lost a lot of the hype that they used to have. I want the album to smash but I just can't see it.

Posted by: Bjork 22nd October 2020, 08:57 AM

you really think sam's gonna do 80K?
if the label wasn't pushing and sending Spotify checks like crazy I would have expected 8K maybe like Katy Perry
but since the label is big pushing, maybe 20K
but I think they're gonna be closer to 20K than to 80K

all the latest singles have bombed. Diamonds is a payola-hit, not a real hit, a song that starts at #5 on Hot Hits and cannot even go top 20... where's the interest?

Posted by: Yog 22nd October 2020, 09:04 AM

The original SS3 was literally selling out everywhere before the delay and with so many singles that’s been released, perhaps some of its hype has shortened, the era already has its hits.. so I’m quite optimistic nevertheless, we shall see

Posted by: Yog 22nd October 2020, 09:05 AM

Diamonds is literally projected to go top 20 as of right now.

Posted by: Bjork 22nd October 2020, 09:11 AM

Yes, cos half of the top hits are on ACR, not really on merit

Posted by: Yog 22nd October 2020, 09:13 AM

8k to 20k, um... literally MAJORITY of the loves goes singles (meaning expect My Oasis) have peaked in the top 20, with three in the top 10, I know Sam has an high standard but let’s forget this era is already bigger than their last era, chart wise.. so obviously their not doing less than 20k, what delusion..

Posted by: Yog 22nd October 2020, 09:16 AM

Sam has more performances coming for Diamonds to at least peak in the top 10, with their future platinum selling incoming.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 22nd October 2020, 01:48 PM

I have no idea how this album will sell. I’m thinking around 40k perhaps?

Posted by: dannjohn 22nd October 2020, 02:12 PM

Sam v. Ariana is not even a thing lol

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 22nd October 2020, 03:06 PM

I really like Diamonds but the other singles feel like so long ago now they almost feel like a different album.

I really don't think this album will do well at all compared to previous, I'm guessing around 25-30k but could be completely wrong.

Lack of Vinyl I don't think helps either.

Posted by: Steve201 23rd October 2020, 11:02 PM

Sam said on Norton tonight they have already started writing [their] NEXT album - [they] has so many songs written and has 100 songs written already!

Posted by: Yog 23rd October 2020, 11:09 PM

I thought I heard 20 songs but nevertheless, very excited... it’s looks we might get it sooner than later

Posted by: Steve201 24th October 2020, 12:19 PM

Yeh they said 20 songs for the album but they have 100s of songs written overall

Posted by: jlj 26th October 2020, 12:51 PM

Sam will be signing copies of this album across 5 HMV stores... In April!

I’m guessing these were probably planned for release week but restrictions wouldn’t allow them to go ahead.

Posted by: jark 27th October 2020, 03:43 PM

40k seems like a good bet. Maybe 33k in a worst-case scenario and 50k best-case. Anyone guessing 80k is on another realm... Sam hasn't had a proper hit since Summer 2019.

Posted by: Yog 27th October 2020, 05:10 PM

The Thrill of it all did over 6M WW with just one hit, Sam really doesn’t need singles to sell an album

Posted by: Liam.k. 30th October 2020, 02:56 AM

Given how the exciting the era looked to be at the beginning with bops like 'Dancing with a Stranger' and 'How Do You Sleep?', this is a really disappointing album.

'Dance ('Til You Love Someone)' and 'Kids Again' are the only keepers out of the new songs. The rest is sooo dull.

Posted by: Frenchie 30th October 2020, 07:30 AM

Bit disappointed by this. Love all the singles, but everything else is very forgettable.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 30th October 2020, 11:57 AM

'Kids Again' is AWFUL

'Dance' however is really good! Hit potential.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 30th October 2020, 02:38 PM

Not feeling it at all

Posted by: Scary Spice(boy) 30th October 2020, 03:26 PM

Hmmm don't think I'll be purchasing from people's reactions I loved Dancing with a stranger and How do you sleep but not liked anything since.

Posted by: dannjohn 30th October 2020, 04:56 PM

Its a bit dire really...

Posted by: Sonia Fowler 🎃 30th October 2020, 07:16 PM

I think the album is pretty balanced tbh, upbeat when it needs to be, downbeat when it should be, does a great job of being a break up esque album.

Dance (Til You Love Someone Else), Another One and For The Lover That I Lost are all great highlights tbh.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 30th October 2020, 09:10 PM

It’s a really good album I feel! There are a couple of skips, but other than that, it’s a solid album! I really like Another One, so hopefully that’ll be a single at some point.

Diamonds remains the best song tho.

Posted by: Frenchie 30th October 2020, 09:57 PM

I've enjoyed this a lot more after a second listen. Another One and So Serious are my favourites out of the album tracks.

Posted by: lewiscapaldi 31st October 2020, 01:16 PM

First listen through happening now for me and I think Dance is my favourite (got that Disclosure like production we've come to expect from Guy), and as an opener Young is fantastic. All the singles we know at the end is a nice way to finish

Posted by: Tefo 31st October 2020, 09:05 PM

Love the album. Shame it won't be a number one.

Posted by: SLlewellyn 2nd November 2020, 06:14 PM

Contrary to some comments here, I think that this is a pretty good album - certainly enjoying it more than the last one.

“Kids Again” is an odd third single choice given that post-album singles rarely do well nowadays. I would’ve gone with “So Serious”, which sounds like Sam’s old stuff (e.g., “Nirvanna”).

Posted by: jark 3rd November 2020, 03:44 PM

The album is fantastic. Easily their strongest and perfect for cosy winter evenings.

08 Young
10 Diamonds
09 Another One
10 Dancing With a Stranger
09 To Die For
09 So Serious
08 For The Lover That I Lost
09 Dance ('Til You Love Someone Else)
08 My Oasis
08 Breaking Hearts
10 How Do You Sleep?
08 Forgive Myself
07 Love Goes
07 Kids Again

Obsessed with Another One and So Serious. Kids Again feels like a weak single choice but it's doing OK so far.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 3rd November 2020, 04:14 PM

06 Young
11 Diamonds
10 Another One
10 My Oasis (with Burna Boy)
10 Se Serious
10 Dance (‘Til You Love Someone Else)
09 For The Lover That I Lost
09 Breaking Hearts
09 Forgive Myself
10 Love Goes (with Labrinth)
09 Kids Again

Bonus tracks

08 Dancing With A Stranger (with Normani)
10 How Do You Sleep?
07 To Die For
10 I’m Ready (with Demi Lovato)
06 Fire On Fire
10 Promises

Posted by: Frenchie 3rd November 2020, 09:48 PM

06 Young
10 Diamonds
09 Another One
10 My Oasis (with Burna Boy)
09 So Serious
08 Dance (‘Til You Love Someone Else)
08 For The Lover That I Lost
07 Breaking Hearts
09 Forgive Myself
08 Love Goes (with Labrinth)
08 Kids Again

10 Dancing With A Stranger (with Normani)
10 How Do You Sleep?
08 To Die For
10 I’m Ready (with Demi Lovato)
06 Fire On Fire
11 Promises

Posted by: gooddelta 4th November 2020, 12:40 PM

Another One and Kids Again are my main takeaways from the new tracks. The latter is very late-90s Robbie when he was trying to be Oasis, not a sound I expected from Sam but I like it!

A very solid album overall, especially with all of the good singles from 2018-19 included. Much better than their previous album for me, which in parts was a dirge.

Posted by: jark 4th November 2020, 05:17 PM

No mids yet today but Diamonds is up to 27 on Spotify. That's its best day since it went at #25 on day 1. I think it's headed top 10 next week if it holds up. So good to see it finally becoming a proper hit.

Posted by: dannjohn 4th November 2020, 09:28 PM

Isnt this #2 behind Ariana? Cliff at no. 3?

Posted by: Sour Candy 5th November 2020, 07:19 AM

The title track is probably Sam's best song ever, gorgeous!!!!!

Posted by: Brightest Blue 7th December 2020, 08:47 PM

This just gets better and better

Love Goes is my favourite album track for sure. It’s beautiful and Labrinth/Sam really compliment each other!

Posted by: Yog 12th December 2020, 07:36 AM

Certified Silver

Posted by: Brightest Blue 12th December 2020, 09:01 AM

Slay!

Posted by: Bjork 12th December 2020, 09:31 AM

Good for them! Really thought the album was gonna disappear from the charts after 3 weeks, so good to see it holding up so well and remaining top 20

Posted by: Christmasteve201 12th December 2020, 09:55 AM

Knew it would do better than that as their a big name needs a single sent to radio in janauary to keep momentum up

Posted by: Brightest Blue 12th December 2020, 10:09 AM

Diamonds is holding up pretty well and can see it staying top 100 for quite a while (it’ll obviously be thrown out for 1-2 weeks over Xmas).

Love Goes really has to be the next single!

Posted by: Yog 12th December 2020, 05:22 PM

We’re possibly not getting any more singles, said has definitely confirmed no more music videos

Posted by: Brightest Blue 12th December 2020, 05:58 PM

Oh well. I can still see it selling well in 2021! It has so many successful songs on it.

Posted by: Yog 12th December 2020, 06:09 PM

Yeah, remember “Thrill” is double platinum with one successful single

Posted by: Yog 14th December 2020, 04:58 PM

Lol, people really thought they were flopping....

https://twitter.com/ukchartinfo/status/1338525084084883456?s=21

Posted by: dannjohn 14th December 2020, 05:01 PM

do we think they will continue promoting any further with this? Title track could be a great single or 'Another One' or even 'Dance' nearer the summer?

Posted by: Yog 14th December 2020, 05:06 PM

Sam should honestly continue to release singles just for the sake to promote the album

Posted by: Christmasteve201 14th December 2020, 08:30 PM

I agree wouldn’t take much and will keep the album ticking over as there’s loads of singles on it

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 12:56 AM

I mean the fact the has been top 20 since it’s release and expected to rise to two more spots in #15 due to an recent sale and certified silver while in the holidays no less... it will sell well in the next year

Single or not

Posted by: Brightest Blue 15th December 2020, 06:57 AM

Yeah I don’t see why it would suddenly drop in the new year.

Posted by: Bjork 15th December 2020, 07:34 AM

mmm I wouldn't be so sure, their album is the kind that sells well in the pre-christmas run
but after Xmas, if they don't push more singles from the album, it's gonna be difficult

don't think they'll have another hit from the album, basically cos Spotify does not support post-album singlres
but the label should keep releasing singles and sending them at least to R2 so that it generates some sales...

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 08:20 AM

Again, “Thrill” sold very well with just one successful single and rest of the singles tanked, let’s see what happens in the new year, I have faith in Sam

Posted by: Bjork 15th December 2020, 08:36 AM

things have changed though, it's 2020 now, you cannot compare with 3 years ago, it's a lifetime ago in terms of how the charts have changed
to have continuous sales you need to do a Mabel and make a fake playlist/album

Posted by: Frenchie 15th December 2020, 08:51 AM

I think they should move on from this album now. I can't see there being another hit and it's clear Sam has already been thinking about the next record.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 15th December 2020, 04:13 PM

Its too soon to move on from the album and its holding up fairly ok, i think the album has a good few more sales left in it.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 15th December 2020, 09:30 PM

Sam did mention moving on in his Graham Norton performance a few weeks ago!

Posted by: Liam.k. 15th December 2020, 09:48 PM

'The Thrill of It All' was #4 on the streaming chart on its 6th week (with, as mentioned, just one hit), compared to #27 for 'Love Goes'. I don't think the album will suddenly start plummeting after Christmas (and I imagine it'll see a small rise on Valentine's Day and Mother's Day) but I'm not convinced it's going to stay afloat like it has so far.

I can see why people think the album has done well but I do think it's been a big fall from grace that cannot solely be explained by the album market decrease. The album was expected to be one of the main selling albums this Q4, yet it's going to be nowhere near the Top 40 YEC.

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 11:01 PM

The absolute high standard...


I mean, it is Christmas and in the pandemic, it’s silver like Ariana (who’s album isn’t doing that either), Little Mix and Kylie, I honestly think it’s doing decently even the circumstances, It had hits, top 2 and already certified in a month span, what more do you want?

The media has been coming for Sam more often, but I don’t think it’s an decline worth saying “fall from grace” when it’s literally ahead of Positions & Disco in the albums chart

Posted by: Christmasteve201 15th December 2020, 11:12 PM

Yeh I forgot about ‘Positions’ it seems to have fallen away quite quickly!

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 11:17 PM

It’s literally at #26 nearing leaving the top 30 (keep in mind, is ahead in steaming and has an single in the top 5) while Love Goes hasn’t left the top 20 and projected to rise back up.

But apparently Sam is the quintessential example of falling grace

Posted by: Michael Bubré 15th December 2020, 11:26 PM

You say that as if people haven't also been calling Ariana's album an underperformance...

This album has done ok but it's certainly a big step back from their last album which was itself a big step back from the first, commercially.

Posted by: Slade 15th December 2020, 11:30 PM

Ariana's album can't compete with the height of the physical selling period (especially with 0 vinyl format) when her fanbase is largely streaming oriented - she'll be back up there in the new year when Christmas is done and dusted

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 11:30 PM

Right and Ari had two recent hit singles, her album shouldn’t be doing this bad, but Sam saying is falling from grace is kind of stretch IMO, Sam didn’t want to put out an album in the first place but it did it for the fans

Posted by: Liam.k. 15th December 2020, 11:32 PM

Ariana has never been a big physical seller like Sam so I'm not too surprised they are ahead at this stage, although like Bre says it's been noted that Ariana hasn't performed as expected either.

This isn't an attack on Sam or anything, I've already said I can see why people think the album has been a success and, looking at the figures alone, it has been. When compared to their previous album however, it seems to me that the decline has been much steeper than being in line with the album market decline.

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 11:37 PM

So, Sam is automatically supposed to beat all odds and straight up smash like their two album so deep into this pandemic, are you serious?

Posted by: Christmasteve201 15th December 2020, 11:44 PM

I didn’t mean this to be a Sam vs Ariana debate 😅!

Yeh ‘Positions’ should be top 5 again when sales fall in January but it was a bit of an oversight not to release physicals such as vinyl more considering its Q4.

Posted by: Liam.k. 15th December 2020, 11:44 PM

You seem to be taking this much more seriously than it needs to be. It's just a general observation I've made. The pandemic has affected the whole album market, yes, but that wouldn't have any bearing on individual positions. I think it was expected that Sam could achieve a consistent run in the Top 10 at least, plus those first week sales weren't great, pandemic or no pandemic. I do think the album has done well to level out in the Top 20 considering its initial performance, although it remains to be seen if it can keep it up outside the Christmas market.

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 11:51 PM

I’m just saying don’t make it sound like Sam is doing really bad compared to their peers (I mean look at Shawn Mendes tank album) when their clearly not, The era was utter mess since 2019, remember we’re supposed to get the album in July when it got delayed with only ONE month of preorder for the relaunch and I’m surprised it’s doing this well even with the circumstances

Posted by: Yog 15th December 2020, 11:58 PM

Majority of Love Goes singles peaked at top 20, with three in the top 20, Diamonds is the 6th single and peaked at #11, much better then what they were doing in their last era.

Upgrade in the singles, but an understable decline in the albums department.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 16th December 2020, 07:47 AM

I do feel like Sam is more of a singles artist these days.

Posted by: Yog 16th December 2020, 08:05 AM

Not y’all downgrading them when love goes already has three certifications

Singles Artists? I don’t think so, Sam has sold over 28M albums SPS with just three album releases.

Posted by: Bjork 16th December 2020, 08:15 AM

Not a singles artist at all, if the last singles did well it's cos the label spent lots of $$$$ is Spotify playlist payola, especially Diamonds
(this is not a negative comment, it's actually what all labels should do)

I think the album underperformed massively on week 1 but thats understandable cos Sam doesn't have the crazy fanbase that will buy 9 different vinyls and 7 different cassettes on week 1. And the masses buying CDs are a thing of the past, that's why you cannot compare this album vs. the last album.
But then I have to admit I was expecting the album to do a 2-19-77-OUT but it didn't and it's holding up pretty well, showing they still can attract some random sales, although I'm not sure if they're doing well on physicals or if it's mostly streams cos the album includes all those old singles and they're doing a Mabel.

I also think the last era was handled poorly by the label, they should totally have released much earlier and capitalised on the success of Promises/Dancing with a Stranger... but they're Capitol aka the worst label ever, who's also on Capitol? Katy Perry, so enough said...

Posted by: Yog 16th December 2020, 08:25 AM

Yeah, Capitol is an shit label but thankfully capitol got rid of an big wig and replaced him of someone who knows what their doing

Sam’s can rebound from this before it gets to Katy Perry levels

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/larry-mattera-named-general-manager-of-capitol-records-and-evp-of-capitol-music-group/

Posted by: Yog 16th December 2020, 08:31 AM

Also, and How Do You Sleep?, that was an hit too

Posted by: Christmasteve201 16th December 2020, 10:11 AM

It’s not necessarily bad that he’s a singles artist at this stage of his career as that’ll continue to build his base!

Posted by: Bjork 16th December 2020, 12:47 PM

as I said, don't think they are a single artist at all, they're totally an album artist
problem is nobody is buying albums anymore... if you look at current album sales, then no one is an album seller

Posted by: Brightest Blue 16th December 2020, 02:08 PM

Exactly! They’re obviously still doing well in the albums, but from this point onwards I think they’ll do better on the singles than albums.

Posted by: Yog 16th December 2020, 03:37 PM

Exactly, especially in this climate..

Posted by: Yog 19th December 2020, 12:10 AM

Back in the top 15, Diamonds has just left Spotify’s Today Top Hits, it would be very foolish to not drop another single

Posted by: Yog 29th December 2020, 04:47 PM

Back in the top ten, without an ongoing single...

WE NEED ANOTHER SINGLE ASAP

Posted by: Alberto! 29th December 2020, 10:20 PM

OT: is there a site publishing midweeks (other than the pretty awful Official Charts update - when they feel like updating it)?

Posted by: Alberto! 29th December 2020, 10:20 PM

OT: is there a site publishing midweeks (other than the pretty awful Official Charts update - when they feel like updating it)?

Posted by: Bré 29th December 2020, 11:04 PM

'When they feel like updating it'? It's updated the exact same time every week except when there are bank holidays lol ~

The midweeks outside of the First Look chart and the one the OCC posts each week are not meant to be public, they are either published in Music Week (requiring a subscription) or otherwise sent to people within the industry (and usually leaked).

Posted by: Yog 1st January 2021, 06:03 PM

OFFICIALLY back in the top ten, hasn’t left the top 20 since its release

Posted by: Yog 9th January 2021, 07:18 PM

Love Goes - UK Units: 88,485 (+3,646)

GOLD IS COMING!

Posted by: Yog 21st January 2021, 04:10 AM

UK Total Units - 91,740 (+3,255)

Posted by: Yog 16th February 2021, 05:18 PM

It reached GOLD!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 16th February 2021, 07:23 PM

That's a really good achievement! I totally didn't see it achieving gold when it was first released.

Posted by: Nick F1 16th February 2021, 07:43 PM

Really hope that Dance will become single!

Posted by: Yog 16th February 2021, 07:49 PM

Yeah.. this era is done

Sam has stated that they want this album to be over quickly. Touring will not start for a while so Sam has time to do a whole other album. If you listen to the interview with Roz and Mocha, Sam stated that they want to quickly get another album out but on tour, they will still sing some of these songs from Love Goes. Rehashing an old relationship has to be difficult so Sam is looking to move on, not hard to understand.

Their already in the studio making new music

Posted by: Yog 16th February 2021, 07:50 PM

God, I pray this goes platinum when all said & done, it’s gonna be while

Posted by: dannjohn 17th February 2021, 08:56 AM

some wasted opportunities... but in the end it did feel like a label album.

Posted by: Yog 17th February 2021, 04:54 PM

Label Album?

Posted by: lewistgreen 17th February 2021, 05:54 PM

Same. I know it's been said before that this era appears to be finished but what a waste if this doesn't get to storm the airwaves

Posted by: slowdown73 17th February 2021, 06:44 PM

Love goes is definately his best album for me !

Posted by: Nick F1 17th February 2021, 06:55 PM

For me too!

Posted by: Yog 17th February 2021, 07:00 PM

People.. pronouns: They/Them

Posted by: Scene 17th February 2021, 10:15 PM

It would be an absolute waste not to give Dance a push! What a song! It's probably my favourite song by Sam.

Posted by: Yog 26th February 2021, 04:05 PM

Dancing with a Stranger" is now certified 2x Platinum in the UK.

Posted by: ManicKangaroo 7th March 2021, 03:37 AM

While the pandemic made it impossible for Sam to tour around their acclaimed, third studio album, they thrilled fans with an exclusive concert, live-streamed from London’s Abbey Road Studios. Now, fans can re-live that special evening through Love Goes: Live At Abbey Road Studios, available on March 19.

Love Goes: Live At Abbey Road Studios captures Smith’s sole concert of 2020, as well as their only performance of songs from Love Goes. Backed by a full band, Smith’s intimate-13-song set includes “Diamonds,” “Promises,” and “Kids Again,” as well as the multi-platinum hit “Dancing With A Stranger.” Two special guests are also featured during the set: rapper, singer, songwriter, and producer Labrinth, for a performance of “Love Goes,” as well as by British actress Jade Anouka, who joins Smith on “My Oasis.” In addition to their latest material, Smith also performs fan favorites like “Lay Me Down” and “Stay With Me,” as well a stunning cover of Cyndi Lauper’s classic ballad, “Time After Time.”

1. Young
2. Diamonds
3. Dancing With a Stranger
4. Promises
5. Too Good at Goodbyes
6. Lay Me Down
7. My Oasis (ft. Jade Anouka)
8. Time After Time
9. How Do You Sleep?
10. For The Lover That I Lost
11. Kids Again
12. Love Goes (ft. Labrinth)
13. Stay With Me

Posted by: Scene 7th March 2021, 08:25 AM

Intrigued to hear him cover Cyndi. *.*

Posted by: Liam.k. 30th April 2021, 09:48 AM

Sam has just passed 30m album sales worldwide: https://www.musicweek.com/talent/read/sam-smith-passes-30-million-equivalent-album-sales/083159

Not sure how they've worked that out because the three albums have not sold an average of 10m each.

Posted by: Yog 15th May 2021, 04:41 PM

Streams... hence why Ariana is nearing an amazing 50m units despite her more or less decent pure sales

Regardless, Sam consistent career is great to see and I hope their success continues

The 30m units of albums isn’t out of the realm of possibility, Sam has literally sold over 50m CERTIFIED single/tracks units in the USA alone.

Posted by: Bré 15th May 2021, 05:43 PM

Ariana has nothing to do with this conversation, can you cut out the salt pls x

Posted by: Yog 15th May 2021, 06:07 PM

Calm Down.. pls

I was just making an point, Ariana has an very successful career with streaming taking over & pure sells pretty much an non factor in today’s climate, Liam point of being up sells is pretty much irrelevant considering it’s the not main consumption for music

Posted by: Bré 15th May 2021, 06:32 PM

The sales Liam is referring to definitely include streams, there's no way anyone is selling 30 million pure albums this century other than maybe Adele.

You bringing up Ariana completely unprompted is just you continuing to be salty that she denied Sam the #1 album months ago. Let it go. x

Posted by: Yog 15th May 2021, 06:38 PM

I don’t say Sam’s 30m album units were all pure sales lol, and I literally have no problem with Ariana at the slightest and neither does Sam considering they congratulated Ari, why are you trying to pick an fight with me? I’m so confused 💀

I had no intention of malice with my previous comment, I have all of her albums..lol

Update: I edited my previous post, so there’s no more confusion...

Posted by: Yog 24th May 2021, 05:42 PM

“Love Goes” sold over 4.5M units WW

According to MusicNews interviewing an staff member of Universal Music UK

“The pandemic meant we had to work the campaign supporting the album in a different way. For example, Sam spent hours upon hours on remote interviews and performances. They actually were able to cover more promotion and countries than they would have been able to do if they had to visit them in person. The campaign had such incredible moments with Diamonds being No.1 on the German airplay chart for three weeks and being No.1 on the European airplay chart for seven weeks. The album has sold over 4.5m [equivalent] to date.”

https://www.musicweek.com/labels/read/universal-s-international-marketing-president-nickie-owen-on-streaming-opportunities-for-uk-artists/083338

Posted by: Bjork 25th May 2021, 07:23 AM

but only 100K in the UK?

Posted by: Yog 25th May 2021, 01:00 PM

Ok.. So is After Hours & Folklore, Sam isn’t an local act you know...

You also must realize their taking account on all streaming platforms: AM, YouTube and other overseas platforms, I mean DWAS alone did 13M units WW and the future & previous singles adding to those units

Posted by: Bjork 25th May 2021, 01:36 PM

but what does the sales of the single have to do with it?

Posted by: Yog 25th May 2021, 01:38 PM

Because that’s how the streaming era works.. this isn’t the 2010’s love

Posted by: Bjork 25th May 2021, 01:41 PM

You're just being stubborn
so I stop
It's impossible to discuss with you
bye

Posted by: Yog 25th May 2021, 01:43 PM

How am I being stubborn when Universal Music (the owner of Capitol records and other labels) are confirming the units and your going all the way trying to discredit them... um ok bye