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cantthinkofaname
post Monday, 12:52 PM
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How about allowing the judges (permanent judges and maybe even the guest judges) vote who goes out of the bottom 2 instead of the contestants? I honestly trust Michelle's judgement 100% better than I trust RuPaul's lol. I just feel like AS needs to change formats to work because this sure ain't working.
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post Monday, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(cantthinkofaname @ Feb 18 2019, 12:52 PM) *
How about allowing the judges (permanent judges and maybe even the guest judges) vote who goes out of the bottom 2 instead of the contestants? I honestly trust Michelle's judgement 100% better than I trust RuPaul's lol. I just feel like AS needs to change formats to work because this sure ain't working.


I think the format works fine.

Series 1 was ruined by the pairs twist
Series 2 tbh worked fine, apart from Roxxxy being kept in forever
Series 3 was ruined by the previous queens returning twist and the eliminated queens returning to decide the final 2
Series 4 was ruined with the previous queens returning and a poor double win twist

Basically keep the eliminated queens away from the show. Once they're gone, that's it. It worked on AS2 as the queens returning were actually good and had won challenges and there was an in built storyline with Phi Phi and the queens returning and taking her down. That's why it worked

EDIT - Ruined might be a strong word... maybe spoiled would be better


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post Monday, 03:54 PM
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I go backwards and forwards on whether I think the format should change, I don't think it should change too drastically and it's probably enough of a difference from main seasons. In my Manila elimination anger I remember saying Lipsync For Your Legacy was a bit stale, and it would be nice to see a fight to lipsync from the bottom queens, but I do also like having the two winners and a fight to win the $10k so I wouldn't want it to be totally the normal format.

Maybe though there could be a bottom 3 and the winner of the lipsync chooses one to save, then the judges decide who's eliminated out of the bottom 2 (maybe after another lipsync, but fitting all that into an hour show would probably sacrifice the challenge time which I don't want). That mixes All Stars and normal format, but then again with some of the decisions made by the judges in terms of bottom placements and top 2s in a challenge, I'd probably trust the contestants more laugh.gif
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Personally I don't think it's the format - it works well generally. It's the mundane challenges and uncessary twists.

Having the eliminated queens come back to fight for a place again is fine. There's usually a lot of drama involved which I love. Plus the challenge is usually quite nice/enjoyable (Naomi vs Gia/Monique vs Latrice were great lip syncs imo). There'll be one queen who leaves/gets eliminated whom has a strong following (Alyssa/Tatianna/BeDeLaCreme/Manila). That's usually great in terms of drama and can blow the competition wide open (Ben/Manila were the clear front runners).

AS3 would've been fine if the eliminated queens had no say. Shangela woud've 100% won if it was based on RuPaul's opinion and apart from Ben's elimintion, would've made for a great season.

I think another thing to take into account is the queens themselves. You need a very strong cast of queens for a great season. Whilst I thought the AS4 cast was great, I feel that Jasmine/Gia/Farrah/Latrice could've all been replaced with much stronger queens to make the competition very heated - Shea Coulee/Peppermint/Kim Chi etc.
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Feb 18 2019, 06:54 PM) *
I think another thing to take into account is the queens themselves. You need a very strong cast of queens for a great season. Whilst I thought the AS4 cast was great, I feel that Jasmine/Gia/Farrah/Latrice could've all been replaced with much stronger queens to make the competition very heated - Shea Coulee/Peppermint/Kim Chi etc.

100% - on paper it was a great cast but it was quite 50/50 in practice. By the time Latrice went, I felt like that was the filler out of the way but then they brought back Latrice and as has been said, that period of a few weeks was just a filler section for the season which made it drag a bit.

Part of that is having such a quick turnover between AS3 and AS4, I'm sure I read Miz Cracker for example wanted to leave it a bit longer and I think Shea said the same so they had to scrape a bit (Jasmine Masters was always going to go home first for example). If they'd waited a bit and could have got Miz Cracke and Shea as well as the likes of Manila, Trinity and Valentina, that could have been incredible!
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I just can't get over how awful and cheap Monét's outfit that she wore after receiving the official crown is 🙁

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QUOTE(365 @ Feb 18 2019, 12:13 PM) *
It feels so weird thinking Monet is an All Stars winner.

that's what I've been thinking. As well as much as I like Monet she's just not there yet at all
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QUOTE(Conderella @ Feb 19 2019, 08:06 AM) *
that's what I've been thinking. As well as much as I like Monet she's just not there yet at all

Yes! I don’t hate Monet but for a winner she just doesn’t feel worthy yet.
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Couldn't agree more, that's part of makes the tie infuriating too laugh.gif She just doesn't have the star power of Trixie and she didn't undoubtedly crush the season like Alaska, I loved her on season 10 but we didn't see much growth here which is the whole point of All Stars - look at Monique!
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I think part of why AS4 failed is the selection of queens. I think the only ones that really should have been chosen for this season were Manila, Valentina, Trinity and Naomi as they have all proven to not only improve on their last appearance but just to show themselves to be worthy of being in this show.

Latrice is not versatile enough to be brought back for the second time. Her looks are ALWAYS the same and when she's "in character" it's basically just Latrice.
For Monét and Monique season 10 is still so fresh and their legacy hasn't really formed yet so to enter All-Stars less then a year after their season just felt rushed. Additionally they were glued together the entire season making it feel like they were a team (we all know neither was ever going to eliminate the other, don't even try me on this).
Farrah, Gia and Jasmine were all eliminated early in their seasons and basically just felt like early boot fodder. I think for an AS season to include THREE early boots was a mistake as none of them are really all stars worthy, despite how many IG followers they have or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I like Farrah and Gia (sorry Jasmine) but they didn't quite fit in here other than just for drama.

I wish they could have included some of these alternatives instead despite how unlikely (or flat out never gonna happen) most of these are:
Nina Flowers (S1), Ongina (S1), Pandora Boxx (S2), Jujubee (S2), Raven (S2), Yara Sofia (S3), Willam (S4), Courtney Act (S6), Trinity K. Bonet (S6), Laganja Estranja (S6), Pearl (S7), Max (S7), Kim Chi (S8), Shea Coulée (S9), Peppermint (S9) and if they HAD to include S10 queens: Kameron Michaels and Asia O'Hara would have made a lot more sense than Monét and Monique.


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I heard somewhere that Monet got the AS4 call when S10 was still airing. say whuuuut

in terms of improvement from their original seasons, Naomi is the biggest one for me honestly. She's just in a completely different league now. Went from 7/10 to a solid 9/10. Monique has improved as well when it comes to looks at least. She always had the charisma.


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