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post May 7 2019, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ May 7 2019, 06:50 PM) *
More bad news for Change UK. When they changed their name over on Twitter, they forgot to hold on to their original handle. It was quickly snapped by a Hard Brexiteer, who's already made his mark on the page. As this page is currently the #2 search when you Google "change uk twitter", this is pretty bad stuff.

What silly sausages.


Oh dear. It's only a few weeks since the Farage Fanclub failed to acquire various obvious domain names. You'd have thought the Chukas might have learned from that. Their ineptitude seems to know no bounds.
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post Jun 4 2019, 03:08 PM
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Six of the ChUKa's eleven MPs have left the "party". Heidi Allen (the interim leader). Chukka Umuna, Sarah Wollaston, Angela Smith, Luciana Berger and Gavin Shuker have not applied to join the Lib Dems but it is surely only a matter of time.

RIP Change UK, 2019 - 2019.
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post Jun 4 2019, 04:52 PM
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Maybe they needed a ... change ?

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I've signed up to support them and ready to be selected as a candidate in the June election x


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post Jun 4 2019, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 4 2019, 04:08 PM) *
Six of the ChUKa's eleven MPs have left the "party". Heidi Allen (the interim leader). Chukka Umuna, Sarah Wollaston, Angela Smith, Luciana Berger and Gavin Shuker have not applied to join the Lib Dems but it is surely only a matter of time.

RIP Change UK, 2019 - 2019.


Wow, I thought NI21 was the shortest lived political party in the UK but ChangeUK looks likely to beat that record!
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post Jun 4 2019, 05:05 PM
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Lol.
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post Jun 4 2019, 05:56 PM
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Not that it makes a massive difference but well done on those 11 MPs by scoring an own goal against their cause by taking away half a million votes from the other remain-supporting parties
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post Jun 4 2019, 05:58 PM
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Wow, I thought NI21 was the shortest lived political party in the UK but ChangeUK looks likely to beat that record!


It's still nowhere near the shortest ever-lived political party, which I believe is Lev, a faction that only existed for a few minutes in the Israeli Parliament on 6th November 2002.
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post Jun 4 2019, 06:07 PM
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Change UK insiders pointed to a longstanding split between Chuka Umunna and Chris Leslie, who have differed on strategy and vied to be the party’s dominant force.

Based on the 6-5 split, it appears Leslie won and Umunna lost.


It appears that some (not all) of the six will be joining the Liberal Democrats.
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post Jun 4 2019, 06:08 PM
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The sad thing about TIG/Change UK is that should have become a bigger thing than they eventually did. Those who left Labour did so for honourable & legitimate reasons, best exemplified by one of the founding members Luciana Berger - that Labour has become a systemically anti-Semitic party who sidelined anyone who didn't fall in behind Jeremy Corbyn, and that there needed to be a new way of doing politics away from the two-party system. Of the many things that stopped them, first was Luciana Berger not being able to take a more leading role in the new movement having had a baby, second was that the wave of expected defections from Labour didn't materialise after Tom Watson brought in changes to placate the less-happy Labour MPs, and finally making their stall a firmly anti-Brexit one, when there were at least two other options with better infrastructure behind them that Remainers could happily give their vote to. Oh, and the fact that their marketing & persuasion skills were ruddy awful from the get-go.

Will be interesting to see if any of the CHUK will be picked up by any other political parties. I can't see too many of them that the Lib Dems/Greens/others would be keen to get on board, Chuka Umunna aside.
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post Jun 4 2019, 06:20 PM
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It was a complete mess from start to finish, and the motives of most were as far as I'm concerned not in any way honourable.

They all just disagreed with who is leader of the Labour Party and threw their collective toys out of the pram.
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post Jun 4 2019, 06:28 PM
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In other "me being wrong about everything" news:

QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Feb 8 2019, 07:33 PM) *
Nigel Farage has officially launched his new political party, the Brexit Party. Despite his rhetoric about getting thousands of defectors from the Tory ranks, I don't think it is going to amount to much.

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post Jun 4 2019, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 4 2019, 07:20 PM) *
It was a complete mess from start to finish, and the motives of most were as far as I'm concerned not in any way honourable.

They all just disagreed with who is leader of the Labour Party and threw their collective toys out of the pram.


In hindsight it was a mess, it's obvious that they must have all majorly disagreed on points. At least this now probably ends them as a party. If some of them do apply to be part of the Liberal Democrats, then that could be really interesting.
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post Jun 4 2019, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 4 2019, 07:20 PM) *
It was a complete mess from start to finish, and the motives of most were as far as I'm concerned not in any way honourable.

They all just disagreed with who is leader of the Labour Party and threw their collective toys out of the pram.


Disagreed with Leader of the Labour Party doing nothing and ignoring vital issues. Not quite the same thing. When it comes to throwing toys (or more specifically votes) out the pram, nobody beats J.Corbyn esq for self-harm. At least they buggered off like so many in the party wanted them to, rather than hang around for 30 years like small annoying leeches until they could spread their sunny disposition and talents for the good of the party and the country, and do a bang up marvellous job all round, as JC preferred to do.
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Not surprising from power-hungry false-faced Soubry. Wouldn't surprise me for this to be her game plan all along. She's clearly been angling for a media career for a long time.

I would like Soubry a lot if she actually ever stood by a jot of what she says, but everything she says and her whole image is optics. Her voting record is the reverse. To me that's even worse than just being honestly self-centered.

As for Luciana Berger, what a disgrace to false flag actual AS because she didn't like her party leader. If I was a Jewish person I would be ashamed of her. The entire Labour antisemitism scandal is largely media spin. She claims to have received abuse from within Labour... because she received abuse anonymously on twitter and online, with zero proof that any of it came from Labour members. She's aligned that with the fact she was deeply unpopular in her constituency and put it as AS too, rather than being anything to do with her being a rich woman parachuted into the constituency who didn't live there, never attended surgeries or supported the local people, yet still received a princely salary for claiming to do so. But no, it must just be because she was Jewish that people were against her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_...Party#Rebuttals
https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/7/4/JPR...t%20Britain.pdf

From the latter, a Jewish publication by the Jewish Policy Research Institute UK:

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Looking at the political spectrum of British society, the most antisemitic group consists of those who identify as very right-wing. In this group about 14% hold hard-core antisemitic attitudes and 52% hold at least one attitude, compared again to 3.6% and 30% in the general population. The very left-wing, and, in fact, all political groups located on the left, are no more antisemitic than the general population. This finding may come as a surprise to those who maintain that in today’s political reality, the left is the more serious, or at least, an equally serious source of antisemitism, than the right.
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post Jun 4 2019, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jun 4 2019, 09:15 PM) *
Disagreed with Leader of the Labour Party doing nothing and ignoring vital issues. Not quite the same thing. When it comes to throwing toys (or more specifically votes) out the pram, nobody beats J.Corbyn esq for self-harm. At least they buggered off like so many in the party wanted them to, rather than hang around for 30 years like small annoying leeches until they could spread their sunny disposition and talents for the good of the party and the country, and do a bang up marvellous job all round, as JC preferred to do.


I'm no fan of Corbyn, but any MP with any ounce of integrity, or as has been opined in this thread "honourable intensions", would have resigned their seat and stood for re-election under a new party.

Even Zac Goldsmith did that and he's a complete [expletive].

The hypocrisy of leaving a party which in 2017 had effectively given all of those MPs an even stronger mandate but then refused to put their argument to the people is deafening, ESPECIALLY when you are campaigning for another bloody public vote.
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post Jun 4 2019, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 4 2019, 10:06 PM) *
I'm no fan of Corbyn, but any MP with any ounce of integrity, or as has been opined in this thread "honourable intensions", would have resigned their seat and stood for re-election under a new party.

Even Zac Goldsmith did that and he's a complete [expletive].

Goldsmith resigned his seat over a specific issue (Heathrow expansion) having said he would do so. After losing the byelection, he soon grovelled his way back into the Tory party and regained the seat by 45 votes. He has ignored the fact that over 70% of voters in his seat voted Remain.
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He also ran a disgusting "campaign" for London mayor in 2016 which he thankfully lost, don't worry, I know the guy is a ... well, Tory.
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QUOTE(TheJüpreme @ Jun 4 2019, 09:17 PM) *
Not surprising from power-hungry false-faced Soubry. Wouldn't surprise me for this to be her game plan all along. She's clearly been angling for a media career for a long time.

I would like Soubry a lot if she actually ever stood by a jot of what she says, but everything she says and her whole image is optics. Her voting record is the reverse. To me that's even worse than just being honestly self-centered.

As for Luciana Berger, what a disgrace to false flag actual AS because she didn't like her party leader. If I was a Jewish person I would be ashamed of her. The entire Labour antisemitism scandal is largely media spin. She claims to have received abuse from within Labour... because she received abuse anonymously on twitter and online, with zero proof that any of it came from Labour members. She's aligned that with the fact she was deeply unpopular in her constituency and put it as AS too, rather than being anything to do with her being a rich woman parachuted into the constituency who didn't live there, never attended surgeries or supported the local people, yet still received a princely salary for claiming to do so. But no, it must just be because she was Jewish that people were against her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_...Party#Rebuttals
https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/7/4/JPR...t%20Britain.pdf

From the latter, a Jewish publication by the Jewish Policy Research Institute UK:

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Absolutely!

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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 4 2019, 10:06 PM) *
I'm no fan of Corbyn, but any MP with any ounce of integrity, or as has been opined in this thread "honourable intensions", would have resigned their seat and stood for re-election under a new party.

Even Zac Goldsmith did that and he's a complete [expletive].

The hypocrisy of leaving a party which in 2017 had effectively given all of those MPs an even stronger mandate but then refused to put their argument to the people is deafening, ESPECIALLY when you are campaigning for another bloody public vote.


Please, Corbyn voted against Labour policies his whole career, but he wasnt hounded out of the party by moderates. Perhaps if he had listened to the membership, and supported another referendum, as per Labour policy, they wouldnt have needed to resign. THEY are the ones supporting party policy, so why should they stand again for something they still support and stand for. It's Corbyn and his cronies who should resign if they cant get behind Labour Party Policy, as voted for democratically by Labour members.

As a union member, like some I speak to who are also Union activists, I see Corbyn as the one who isn't being democratic and tolerant, and strongly encouraging tolerance and welcoming views in principle across the party and across the country at every opportunity. He's a fence-sitting wishy-washy waste of space and the public at large see him as that, even if they want to support some of the Labour Party policies and social aims.
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QUOTE(TheJüpreme @ Jun 4 2019, 09:17 PM) *
Not surprising from power-hungry false-faced Soubry. Wouldn't surprise me for this to be her game plan all along. She's clearly been angling for a media career for a long time.

I would like Soubry a lot if she actually ever stood by a jot of what she says, but everything she says and her whole image is optics. Her voting record is the reverse. To me that's even worse than just being honestly self-centered.

As for Luciana Berger, what a disgrace to false flag actual AS because she didn't like her party leader. If I was a Jewish person I would be ashamed of her. The entire Labour antisemitism scandal is largely media spin. She claims to have received abuse from within Labour... because she received abuse anonymously on twitter and online, with zero proof that any of it came from Labour members. She's aligned that with the fact she was deeply unpopular in her constituency and put it as AS too, rather than being anything to do with her being a rich woman parachuted into the constituency who didn't live there, never attended surgeries or supported the local people, yet still received a princely salary for claiming to do so. But no, it must just be because she was Jewish that people were against her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_...Party#Rebuttals
https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/7/4/JPR...t%20Britain.pdf

From the latter, a Jewish publication by the Jewish Policy Research Institute UK:

(p66)


I'm happy to wait and see what the independent report into Labour Party anti-semitic claims concludes. The far left has traditionally distrusted certain organised sectors. This wasn't a problem 4 years ago when there was a different party leader. Perhaps it isn't now. We could always ask the previous leader for his view on the matter, that could be quite illuminating.
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