Saw this trailer earlier. I really want to watch this. Netflix KILLING it right now with the original series they're bringing out
I was not expecting this! I was really excited about the book but I didn't actually like it all that much. I believe I gave it 3 out of 5 stars on goodreads (which is pretty bad for me, I'm usually nice x). BUT, Netflix originals are always awesome so this might change my mind
Yeah this sounds really good, my recent Netflix subscription definitely won't be going to waste.
Just started watching this and OMG *.* it's keeping me on the edge of my toes.
Watching episode 1 now and KATE WALSH is in it I love her
So in the first four episodes they have fit in discussion about:
• suicide/suicide prevention
• isolation
• sexual curiosity & experimentation
• slut shaming
• revenge porn
• sexual harassment
• cyberbullying
• female objectification
• peer pressure
• underage drinking
• gang violence
and a bunch more that I forgot about HOLY SHIT this show is deep
Going in ~
It's largely terribly acted and so cheesy but I'm addicted.
Finished and it was AMAZING, last few episodes had some scenes which were a bit disturbing but that made it so good.
Just watched the first episode and it's so cheesy :over dramatic but there's something keeping me wanting to watch it.
watched the first few episodes and I didn't expect to even like it but I'm actually really enjoying it! I love Katherine Langford
I'm liking this in a Riverdale way - it's very aware of its genre and conventions so is indeed a bit overdramatic and cheesy but it's an addicting watch!
Watching now, liking it so far. Helps there are lots of hot, semi-naked guys in it.
Jesus this went from 0-100 in like one episode lmao
I'm on episode 4 now and it's so gripping! Courtney is a c**t tho
New fave show tbh. Loving everything about it and I'm so intrigued to see what each person did.
I just finished it and omg I loved it completely gripped me!
I'm up to episode 4, the first 2 were definitely better than 3+4, but at least tonight gave us some Tyler who I'm finding incredibly cute (I'm watching 2 a night)
'Tape 1, Side A' was slushy, moronic teen-drama nonsense but I guess that's the fundamental premise of the series. I get the wanting to continue watching sentiment though.
Jesus this is heavy shit, I cried for like the entire episode when Clay had to listen to his tape
I just finished this, it just got better with every episode and never failed to hit all the emotions, I thought it was really well done and they handled so many sensitive issues properly. My faves were defo Hannah and Alex (spot the theme, why do I always stan the ones that are gonna die?! )
I think they could maybe pull a second season out of it, I mean they did leave a cliff hanger of sorts but Idk if that would be enough to run a whole season off the back of (unless Alex does tapes of his own ), I liked the ending with Clay and Skye, she was another of my fave characters so I'm glad that at least had a "happy" ending
I've finished too now, god those last two episodes especially were incredible but such hard viewing, I could barely watch when Bryce raped Hannah and when Hannah slit her wrists in the bath and her parents found her dead. It's the sort of hard viewing that's brilliant because it has such an impact on you, because of the premise it really made you get inside Hannah's head and think about how every seemingly small thing contributed.
An incredible series though, I definitely hope they do series 2 because there is at least some scope for it. I also thought about Alex doing the same idea but I think that's a bit convienient to set up a second season, they could perhaps just have a shortened run or a movie length thing where perhaps Bryce is brought to justice and we get to see Courtney come out, Clay and Skye be happy, stuff like that.
finished this today and oh my god it was so good, but like liam said definitely difficult to watch at parts, especially the scene with hannah slitting her wrists. I definitely think it was a show that needed to be done/story that needed to be told though. And even if it was difficult to watch at times it's so much better to make scenes like that that are graphic and real instead of sugarcoating it like most shows do. The whole thing was just so powerful and raw, I really hope they do a second season now. Although I do have a theory about the ending - I don't think Alex actually shot himself, I think Tyler shot him and tried to make it look like a suicide, and it makes sense that he took Alex's photo off that thing, like he's going to kill/get revenge on all of the people he had photos of? and it would explain why he had all those guns too
^ Can you remember how closely it's sticking to the book? Is this a lot more fleshed out, being told in a different kind of narrative? I'm very tempted to try reading it after finishing the show.
I've seen eight episodes now and loving it but a bit concerned about what might be in these spoiler tags (I hope we don't see anything too graphic because I'm no good with blood )
This show is completely heartbreaking but so well done. I was so close to writing it off in the first couple of episodes but later watching makes you understand why those episodes needed to happen.
So relatable and very important for anyone who has suffered with any sort of mental health issues. It's hard to watch at times but that's how it is. The actor of Clay is phenomenal as well, especially for his age.
I'm all done now and the final 5 episodes were really very good, but it was definitely overlong. It was also overly expository at points, which I suppose was a conscious decision given the show is about teenagers and probably largely aimed at that audience too, but I feel like the most visceral and powerful moments (the rapes, the suicide) worked so well because, as they say, a picture (or a visual) tells a thousand words.
I hope they don't go for a season two because the ambiguous ending was perfectly fitting for the message the show was trying to put across. If everything had been, or gets, wrapped up in a neat little bow it would only rob it of its power. I also really don't like the idea of Tyler going on a shooting spree at the school because it just feels way too much narratively
Overall, it was pretty well acted. I had real issues with Tony for most of the show, but that's partly because I struggled to understand why they hired someone SO OLD for the role and also because his character seemed to exist to just spout unhelpful BS 90% of the time. And then they made him gay too, which felt very token. I like that shows feel comfortable with having gay characters who are simply gay with no fuss and no drama but it was thoroughly unconvincing.
Overall 7/10, had it maybe been 10 episodes it and cut out some of the questionable dialogue it would definitely have been much more powerful.
Yea Tony's age bothered me as well, I actually thought they were going to reveal him as being an undercover cop investigating Hannah or something to explain his age :') and also a plot hole I caught onto was when him and Clay were talking on the cliff and Clay says he's never seen a dead body or a crime scene yet Jeff's episode came after that and Clay was the one to find him in his car...
On episode three and obsessed. So intense and mysterious.
Don't see how the acting is ott and cheesy, i think they are all very good.
I found Tony really annoying too, he was quite stereotypical in his role as the "voice of reason", just saying the same old shit that he thinks helps but really doesn't And I thought the same about age, I just don't get why they'd cast some who's that age and looks it as a student!
I agree the acting was quite good. I think the premise and sort of tone of the first episode or two made it feel otherwise, and a bit OTT dramatic, but as it went on pretty much all of the cast proved themselves, particularly Dylan Minette and Katherine Langford.
Just finished this and oh my god it was incredible start to finish. Such intense viewing and sometimes very uncomfortable but these scenes are especially a must-watch.
The suicide scene was so emotional, I cried really hard during that. As soon as i saw that viewer discretion is advised thing i knew this was coming.
Can i just how amazing the soundtrack was. LUH <333 And the Bon Iver and Arcade Fire posters in Clay's room.
Also fell in love with Clay on a much deeper level when i saw KANJI CARDS in his stuff *.*
Hannah's suicide scene was incredibly difficult to watch. The show had a lot of uncomfortable scenes but that one in particular was rough.
f*** ME OVER IS THAT HENRY ZAGA
lmao they're really poaching everyone who appears on Teen Wolf
So yeah this night some of the characters or at least people by their names (i forget what the dream was all about entirely in a few minutes after i wake up) appeared in my dream. That's what I call power of a tv show. Only the rare ones get to actually appear in my dreams *.*
I ugly cried at the last episode, what a phenomenal and important TV show. I kind of don't want a second series because this was just so perfect. It had so many importnant messages throughout and I honestly think everyone needs to see it,
Started this today. On episode 5 atm.
Absolutely brilliant, hard hitting stuff. I just want to know where it is all heading and whether Clay is the trusted one and he's just unaware of it.
Hooked! Very much looking forward to watching the rest!
Up to episode 6. I'm ignoring most of what's been said in this thread u2n as it's spoiler central. Does the storyline quicken up at all as I feel like I've watched the same episode 5 times so far?
Finished it about an hour or so ago, the last 3 episodes were flawless. The whole TV show is one of those where, the first few episodes are just enough to keep you hooked, but by the end of it, it's so well put together and those episodes were needed, in the end.
Clay's tape was truly heartbreaking! Absolutely devastating. Then we have the rape scenes/suicide scene. As hard as it was to watch, they really needed to be as graphic as they were, because that just made it impact so much more and make everything seem a lot more real, to give off the ending that they did.
As others have said on here, I think it's one of the most important shows I think I have ever seen. It just opens your eyes to so many things and gives you a perspective on certain issues, that you might have missed before. I felt so emotionally attached to Clay because I too had a best friend who took her own life at such a young age and I do question myself and think "was there anything I could've done?" or were there signs at the time that I clearly missed. So it really hit me hard.
Episode six was very well put together actually, lots of character twists. Then someone on Instagram spoils the ending for me. This f***ing show honestly...
Skipped through this without seeing anything which is good! But after two episodes the only word I can use to describe this is "mindf***"!
Just watched the first episode. AMAZING. Good job I have a free day today (Saturday) because it's gonna be spent watching this
This just got REAL HEAVY REAL QUICK. 4 episodes to go!!
Oh, the heaviest thing is yet to come.
Wasn't it just? Was seriously contemplating giving this up six episodes in but by the end I was so invested in each and every character. Excellently worked and runs so much deeper than I initially thought. Amazing.
I swear to god, I almost fainted when she started slitting her wrists.
Me and Camden have just finished this and we had to have 5 minutes to contemplate afterwards. So emotional and I can only echo the hard hitting-ness of those scenes in the last couple of episodes.
Brilliantly acted and in a way I kind of both want and not want a second series, considering how many unanswered questions we were given (Alex shooting himself, Tyler possibly going on a shooting spree and the outcomes of Sherri going to the police and Bryce and the rapes).
One of the best things I've watched in recent years and it really hit home after I had "thoughts" in sixth form (not to Hannah's degree though).
Watching the last episode now...
There's a lot of controversy after Zara criticised the way 13 Reasons is presented, she says it tackles revenge suicide rather than mental illness which has resulted into stans telling her kill herself which forced her to remove every single tweet she's made.
it'd be great if she actually watched it first. because from where i'm standing it doesn't seem like she did. i'm not sure where revenge suicide can you get from watching this. she made tapes, yes, but it wasn't her intention to release them in the end. and besides what's wrong in letting some people know they actually were reponsible to driving her to death?
Revenge suicide? The point of it is that every seemingly little thing adds up and can have major and irreversible consequences...
I'm suddenly seeing so much backlash for this now when before it couldn't have been praised enough? https://ghos1writer.tumblr.com/post/159875826561/unaverage-confessions-13-reasons-why-i-dislike on Tumblr outlines the issues one person had with it, and I mean they're not wrong but I still think the show was done well for the most part
y'all overanalyze the smallest shit I swear
*also I guess we shouldn't give a shit about spoiler alerts considering everyone here has already watched it but if you haven't i'm sorry if this rant reveals a lot of key plot devices*
Sometimes it's about looking at the bigger picture rather than small details. Try to approach it like a painting rather than an SAT problem. Any of those people could have asked her what was going on or tried to understand what was going through. That's why Clay felt guilty after listening to his tape. Everything we do affects everyone, and that's the bottom line. It's kinda unfortunate, because a lot of the key scenes were cleverly thought out and well-written, and this reaching to bash this show seems a bit bandwagon-y.
Yea I agree with you 100% Cody, I'm not now turning on the show as I believe it's hella important and I saw the message it was going for from the start (see my earlier reply to lee) and just because people are throwing backlash towards it now doesn't mean I'm going to, I could just understand where that person was coming from and wondered what other people thought is all
I have decided to check this out after all the HYPE.
I have just finished episode 2. I am enjoying it right now.
I am currently on episode 7 *so all opinions in this post are based on my viewings up to that point*
There are some things it is dealing with brilliantly, particularly the SCHOOL side of it.. how management deal with bullying, how sometimes they choose to brush things under the carpet rather than tackle them head on... I can really relate to a lot of that and have seen it first hand in my own work life.
I have some issues with the idea of revenge suicide though, and unless it COMPLETELY changes very soon, that is what I can see unfolding in front of me. Some evidence to support this: "I'm going to play mind games with you just like you played with me" / sending people to spy on others - which was a major thing that turned her into despair, the blackmail of having another set of tapes ready should people not listen through these... and more. I think her character is so unlikeable that I can't in anyway agree with the lengths she has gone to to make these tapes, spread them and offer it as a legitimate reason for her suicide and the impact she wants it to have after she passes.
As I said, I hope that all changes as things become more clear.
I am not completely cold, some of the things that have happened to her (and the culmination of them all) are harrowing and despicable. If it makes you feel so bad as to want to kill yourself, use that as a way of empowering others, NOT make them feel just as low.
Just my two cents about some things that have come to my mind in my watching of it SO FAR, i'm still majorly excited to see how it all continues to build and plays out in the final few episodes *_*
if you noticed, all of the people who actually cared about her and felt very bad did think that THEY killed her. the others just tried to deny and brush it off as a crazy dead girl's problems. everyone on her tapes had a chance to listen to her entire story so they were able to judge themselves their role in all of it. she didn't say someone's action was more serious, just that almost every one of them was a reason she CHOSE to end her own life. the 'did we kill her?' thing was only a conversation point between Tony and Clay as far as I remember, so it's not exactly fair to say Hannah just wanted to shift blame on others and did it for revenge. Like I said before, her intentions did not seem to shame these people publicly but to make them think and to maybe do things differently next time. She didn't even make any tape for her parents after all explaining everything (which was pretty cruel but I see how she thought it was a better choice).
This was not a documentary where they needed to show that many people who commit suicide have mental issues. This was just one story. It's not supposed to be a guide how to do things or how to not do things. Just basically a very realistic (if you ignore the fact Tony looks 26 years old) example of what can happen if you are in the wrong place, including mentally, at the wrong time. Everybody who watched it will make their own conclusions.
People are talking about the subject now and this is really the most important thing. Nothing will happen without conversation first.
as for the 'this will make people want to make more suicides', it sounds a lot similar to the whole gay propaganda thing many people love to use as a reason there are so many gay people in the world. no real factual justification, just the first thing that pops into their minds... :/
I thought this was utter perfection. Incredibly thought provoking and gripping. Very well acted. I was so emotionally involved and the last few episodes were so sad, the last one seeing her kill herself was brutal! It makes you think about how little things could affect someone. I loved it and love how everyone is talking about it.
I think it's really really well done and I think everyone can take something different from it. I know I've suffered from anxiety/depression before and been in a bad place mentally and it depicts what it's like to feel alone and be in a bad place mentally so well imo.
I can understand why people are critical in thinking it promotes suicide for attention or revenge (initially), but the way they handled the actual suicide scene itself... It's so brutal and honest, and then the parents finding her... They didn't glamourise it. It was awful, and really powerful.
The entire show really captures teen life, especially for girls. And the process in which rape culture is just continuously pushed aside. I'm impressed.
Not sure they should go for a season two though?
So I've just spent the last few days watching this and found it incredibly gripping! The whole concept of the show was fantastic with some really difficult scenes to watch.
The soundtrack is INCREDIBLE
I'm not sure how they'll spin a second series. It seems like they've set up for one, but maybe just a one-off special will suffice?
Just finished this. Wow, this has really affected me! I bawled my eyes out at the last episode and I never cry at stuff like this! Lol. The song they use in one of the last scenes, Only You, is so perfect and I can't stop listening to it. Also when they play Vienna when Hannah's alone in the hallway Really great soundtrack
The last few episodes were so heartbreaking and hard to watch. To see what happened to Hannah and her just giving up... I so wished there was a twist and she was alive You really have to watch it to the end before judging it!
One thing I noticed was that the date when they were in court was November 10, 2017, so it happens in the future. That's nice cause it hasn't happened yet. If there is a follow-up I hope it's like an alternate ending where somebody steps in and saves her or something but that's wishful thinking!
On Episode 7 and Tony is one of the most annoying TV characters of all time.
Finished the show now. It was good, but I kinda guessed all the twists. I did like how the characters were fleshed out though. Agree with others about the point of Tony, I still don't even know why he had the tapes really and was the custodian of them. I'm pretty sure they gave us an answer, but it must have been lame as it made no sense to me. I am probably in the minority, but especially up until the party I found Hannah really unlikable to times as a character. I thought during Clay's tape it was particularly horrific. And Courtney surely has to be one of the most annoying TV characters of all time.
As for a second season, it's definitely happening. I found Alex to be a more tragic character than Hannah at times but I certainly think he tried to kill himself. There were too many red herrings for it to have been Tyler imo. Guess we'll see!
Season 2 confirmed!
Fab! There is definitely more to cover so I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.
Looking forward to Season 2!
YES!
Yesss!!
Apparently they're getting a new showrunner so hopefully it adds rather than detracts from the first season.
I'm not sure what other plots they can fit in there besides what happened with Alex and Bryce's impending trial but apparently in the book Skye also has suicidal tendencies so maybe Clay's arc will consist of him possibly getting a second chance at saving someone?
Just finished watching it and I mainly agree with the consensus in here. The first few episodes, I was kinda like, this is just another teen drama with over dramatic issues and things being blown way out of proportion. Of course, watching the whole thing makes you realise how necessary they were though because it does genuinely build and build to the point where she is at an absolute low. I was being very sceptical about what could be on Clay's tape because I thought it would have been a bit of a jump for his actions to be a contributory reason so I'm glad that she realised that was ''her fault'', or rather the previous events. I think his reaction was natural after literally being shouted at several times and him being very nervous to start with anyway. Its another reason WHY I HATE TONY though because of his 'yes, you killed Hannah', well actually DON'T SAY IT AS IF HE DID A HORRIBLE THING.
It was actually really well done overall, sensitively handled without being in your face over issues and also being OVER-SENSITIVE in regards to the reasons which is what I had initially feared. The only concern is that if she had tried to get a response from the teacher, Clay & the counsellor, I do think she would have tried to get a response from her parents at least. I know she had the concerns that she wasn't good enough for them and children in that position often don't speak to their parents BUT they did seem to have a great loving relationship that I think, in the real world, she would have at least subliminally tried. The parent's discovery was one of the most heartbreaking scenes I have ever seen because of that great relationship as well as the fantastic acting.. ALSO I don't think that many people would have cared about a school magazine, that 'reason' was a bit iffy for me in terms of set up. I get the purpose of it enabling her to let out her feelings though and for her to place trust in someone in knowing them.. There's always going to be few uncertain bits though and I do think it was done a LOT better than I ever expected. Tony is still one of the worst characters ever though.
I'm disappointed that there's going to be a Series 2 though. Aside from the shot with the guns, it ended on the right note with it being clear about how each of the characters responded now that they had time to deal with it e.g. how guilty/not guilty they felt. I just think that the entertainment industry was just able to know that, to preserve a story, you have to let things END. I know its about making money but I'm just unsure about how they can do another full season without damaging the story in this one.
I watched the first episode on the flight back from Poland and I'm not sure how I feel about this. I'm not drawn to continue in the way that most of you seem to have been
Where as I finished it today and thought it was generally quite excellent. I think the first episode is deliberately 'light', it gets better...
Yeh, I was quite critical of this going into it and felt the same coming out of Episode 1. It takes a few episodes, as it builds to the more hard-hitting stuff to really take its stride.
I binged watched this a couple of weeks ago and it definitely gets better!
I have the second episode on the iPad still. When I next head somewhere for work, I'll give it a go.
I know I'm VERY late to this but I pretty much just binge watched the whole 13 episodes in under 24 hours I was completely hooked (legit stayed up until 5:30am last night watching this...) and so emotionally invested in the characters. Definitely a massively important story to tell and I'm glad they didn't shy away from showing some pretty harrowing scenes because it just makes everything hit harder. Clay and Hannah were excellently cast and the actors did such a good job. I can see why people have said it but I didn't find Hannah unlikable at all, I just felt for her SO much (and her mum too, Kate Walsh also did a brilliant job).
I'm very excited to see that a Series 2 has been confirmed, excited to see where they take it. I hope it's a continuation of the story of these characters and not a completely new set-up.
Looks like there's a pre-release screening in the US this weekend that people can apply for to go and see Season 2 in its entirety. Surely this means the actual release date on Netflix is imminent?!
Ooh I hope so! I still have no idea how S2 will go but I'm so excited to see what happens and how they handle it.
So excited about the 2nd season, feel like it could be really profound if about a school shooting as rumoured, especially if done as well as the first series.
apparently Jessica's sexual abuse will be the central part of the new series
i saw "march 31" and was like OMGWHUT but then realised it was S1 release date. BOOOOOO
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/netflix-alters-graphic-13-reasons-why-suicide-scene-controversy-1224489A
they have edited the suicide scene in season 1 so you don’t see the actual act of it.
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