Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu & Let's Go Eevee, November 16th // Nintendo Switch |
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Nov 20 2018, 01:27 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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Yep Sabrina is technically the 6th gym, obviously it is able to you earlier but I always got bodied when I tried to do it that early given Psychic was ridiculously broken and OP in Gen 1 (an error meant even ghost wasn't super effective and Dark didn't exist, plus I'm pretty sure at the time the only damaging Bug move was Twinneedle :')) I did always like though that you could do them in either order, that was something we didn't even really get in later games when nothing is stopping them being a bit more open.
One thing I do want Gen 8 to keep is the the way Pokemon appear on the overworld map instead of there being random encounters, I'm growing to really like that. You can easily just pick what you're catching for the team plus they're fairly easy to avoid if you just want to dash through to get to the next town because you've caught everything or just don't want them on your team so aren't bothering. Obviously rare ones still take time to spawn but you don't have to waste time running from loads of encounters until you get that one that you want, it seems much easier to do it in the overworld. Battling them needs to be back though ofc. And another thing that really niggles me about the game (shock xx) is it actually seems quite lazy in places... It's like they put everything into it just being cute so people wouldn't really care, but the sprites of the actual people are AWFUL. They're just so empty and hollow, the Youtuber I'm watching said "one step away from T posing" Like they just stare at walls or TV screens that aren't on, idk if it's some weird "homage" to the original days in some way but like this is the Switch! Could they not walk around or be talking to each other or at least have the bloody TV on, this is the same console that has Breath Of The Wild on it so it can at least manage that. I don't think the graphics are all that either oops, I get that it's cute and stylised but again some of the Pokemon sprites... Sandslash's quills were where I noticed it most, they kinda look like PS2 graphics |
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Nov 20 2018, 02:02 PM
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I just had to see your face to feel alive
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I watched a bit of walkthroughs on YT and I'm not really sold. The player K.O.'d all of Brock and Misty's Pokémon with one super-effective move.. I also read there's no possibility to re-battle trainers.
I think the post-game activities are very meh and the re-play value seems really low so I think I will pass on this game after all. |
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Nov 20 2018, 03:08 PM
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rip in peace Dickston
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Yep Sabrina is technically the 6th gym, obviously it is able to you earlier but I always got bodied when I tried to do it that early given Psychic was ridiculously broken and OP in Gen 1 (an error meant even ghost wasn't super effective and Dark didn't exist, plus I'm pretty sure at the time the only damaging Bug move was Twinneedle :')) I did always like though that you could do them in either order, that was something we didn't even really get in later games when nothing is stopping them being a bit more open. I'd love a Pokemon game where you can just travel to each city/gym in whatever order you like obviously with the leader's Pokemon (and their level) being slightly adjusted depending on how far into the game you are. The scaling for villainous teams, rivals, etc. etc. wouldn't need to be changed since the core story of the game would still point you in a certain direction - just that you could for example decide to battle Pewter City gym as your final gym and you'd be faced with Golem, Steelix, Aerodactyl, and Rhydon. I remember a few times in the anime there would be trainers with all sorts of different gym badges because they'd challenged the leaders in a different order to Ash. Theoretically you could then play the entire game without necessarily challenging any gyms if you wanted to (assuming you don't need HM access or anything) and even rp as a Coordinator or a Ranger The more I think about it the more I want that to be a thing tbh... Sinnoh remakes could easily be much more open and ofc so could an entirely new region centered around that mechanic This post has been edited by DexTheHalls: Nov 20 2018, 03:10 PM |
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Nov 21 2018, 12:54 AM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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There is a Crystal fangame like that, it doesn't actually have any story but you can challenge the 16 gyms of Kanto and Johto in any order and the teams scale with you, idk how they did it and ofc it's quite basic as it's Crystal but it shows it can work! With the actual team behind it and on the Switch on a huge scale it could be amazing
I watched a bit of walkthroughs on YT and I'm not really sold. The player K.O.'d all of Brock and Misty's Pokémon with one super-effective move.. I also read there's no possibility to re-battle trainers. I think the post-game activities are very meh and the re-play value seems really low so I think I will pass on this game after all. Yeah I've seen a lot of that, I'm properly watching one but have dipped into others and the partner Pokemon moves are soooo OP, like Pikachu has one that always goes first and always crits, Eevee has so many broken ones It has loads of 90 base power moves for different types that mimic moves like Reflect, Light Screen, Leech Seed and Aromatherapy, or are guaranteed to burn/paralyse. There are others saying "it gets a bit harder than you think" but it feels like despite that, they've basically made it so you cannot lose with the partner Pokemon. I guess you can just not teach them those moves or only use them when absolutely needed, but then they both have really lacking movepools and you wouldn't want that as your main Pokemon. Besides, even if you don't, in the case of Brock's gym you kind of have to catch Oddish to be able to have any chance and then you end up (if you have Pikachu version) with two Pokemon that make it easy to just blitz Misty. I guess a lot of it comes down to whether you use the ridiculous buffs they give you, but most people will I agree about the re-playability too, like it's definitely cute but as I said the graphics actually aren't that great once the novelty of "aww Pikachu riding on your shoulder" wears off. You aren't going to want to replay every time and be almost forced to use the same starter and do the same really easy gyms. For a game that costs like Ł50, it should have a bit more to it and a bit more replay value. |
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Nov 21 2018, 06:11 PM
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I just had to see your face to feel alive
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Yeah I've seen a lot of that, I'm properly watching one but have dipped into others and the partner Pokemon moves are soooo OP, like Pikachu has one that always goes first and always crits, Eevee has so many broken ones It has loads of 90 base power moves for different types that mimic moves like Reflect, Light Screen, Leech Seed and Aromatherapy, or are guaranteed to burn/paralyse. There are others saying "it gets a bit harder than you think" but it feels like despite that, they've basically made it so you cannot lose with the partner Pokemon. I guess you can just not teach them those moves or only use them when absolutely needed, but then they both have really lacking movepools and you wouldn't want that as your main Pokemon. Besides, even if you don't, in the case of Brock's gym you kind of have to catch Oddish to be able to have any chance and then you end up (if you have Pikachu version) with two Pokemon that make it easy to just blitz Misty. I guess a lot of it comes down to whether you use the ridiculous buffs they give you, but most people will I agree about the re-playability too, like it's definitely cute but as I said the graphics actually aren't that great once the novelty of "aww Pikachu riding on your shoulder" wears off. You aren't going to want to replay every time and be almost forced to use the same starter and do the same really easy gyms. For a game that costs like Ł50, it should have a bit more to it and a bit more replay value. And then they have that annoying thing where they ''hang on'' with 1 HP left, or shake off poison, so that you won't worry/cry or whatever :eyeroll:. Watching a bit of the walkthroughs is enough for me with this game. There are just too many things annoying me for me to buy this atm. But luckily Smash Bros. is coming out in a little over 2 weeks! This post has been edited by Atonement: Nov 21 2018, 06:12 PM |
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Nov 22 2018, 08:40 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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Impulse bought a Black Friday Switch, and I've ended up caving and getting this with it ffs Half "I've played every other main game" and half I kinda want see the feel of it for myself, plus it's nice to have a few games with it (it comes with Odyssey and Mario Kart 8 and I'm deffo getting Smash with my work discount when it's out!).
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Nov 22 2018, 08:46 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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You won’t regret it Liam
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Nov 22 2018, 09:43 PM
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I just had to see your face to feel alive
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Impulse bought a Black Friday Switch, and I've ended up caving and getting this with it ffs Half "I've played every other main game" and half I kinda want see the feel of it for myself, plus it's nice to have a few games with it (it comes with Odyssey and Mario Kart 8 and I'm deffo getting Smash with my work discount when it's out!). nnnnn :side-eye: |
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Nov 23 2018, 12:21 AM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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I'll blame myself when this creeps into Gen 8 x
I think like Dexton said it's also the experience of playing on a home console, I should not be so loyal to Pokemon they don't deserve it Idk I've just had every main game and as I was getting a Switch I just thought "ah f*** it" ffs |
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Nov 23 2018, 12:54 AM
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rip in peace Dickston
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How much was it? ;o I’ve even started playing Pokémon Go lately to turn me away from going out and buying this but I have little-to-no self control too so if I find a good deal I might splurge
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Nov 23 2018, 08:46 AM
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I just had to see your face to feel alive
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I think like Dexton said it's also the experience of playing on a home console, I should not be so loyal to Pokemon they don't deserve it Idk I've just had every main game and as I was getting a Switch I just thought "ah f*** it" ffs I feel you. I think what makes it easier for me to skip this one is that I never owned a 3DS so I never played the 6th and 7th generation of Pokémon either. I'm not as attached to the franchise as I used to be. (not excluding the possibility that I might pick it up in a few months or so after all) I'll blame myself when this creeps into Gen 8 x |
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Dec 3 2018, 01:34 AM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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I actually like this a lot more than I expected having had it for a week! It's not really *that* hand-holdingly easy in terms of the actual games, as I said Pokemon has always been easy. The partner is quite OP at the start but I think it balances out a bit as the game goes on, and I try not to just spam my partner's OP tutor moves for everything (I have Sizzly Slide and Baddy Bad of those on it atm). It's easy, but no more easy than SM/USUM was (save for that bloody Totem Lurantis if you didn't choose Litten at the start). It's just a fun, nostalgic trip into Gen 1, and I'm trying to not take it as anything other than that.
Having said that, I can't see it having any replay value for me. It's not that the games are easy which has put me off, but as obviously a big Pokemon fan I just find the amount that's been cut out pretty jarring. I keep thinking of moves that could be good on my team, only to remember they've been taken out The movesets are quite limiting, I also keep thinking of held items, of course they can't be used in this game, and my head is programmed to abilities (I keep not using Dig on the Gastly and Koffing lines when they'd go down so easily to a Nidoking Dig). Grinding is also a bitch, you don't really need to tbh as there are enough trainers in a normal playthrough between gyms or big battles but I got a Dratini when I got the Surf technique and it's level 20, whereas my team is around level 40 at the moment so I want to put it on my team but as you can't rebattle trainers it's hard to train it up without the rest of my team getting too many levels and the Dratini always being far behind I tried taking all my team off bar Dratini and going to Diglett Cave to chain until I get a Chansey (they're quite common if you chain, I've got one every time I've got to the 10-20 range) but grinding that way is SO tedious. I know using the VS Seeker for example was hardly the biggest thrill, but it's legit just swinging your controller at the right time at Digletts for what feels like hours on end. It's ok if your team sort of naturally comes together (the Alolan forms you trade for always happened to be around the right level when I got them, and I've had Nidoran/Eevee since the start), but once you get a low leveled Pokemon later in the game and want to add it, it becomes a slight issue. Grinding is never the most fun thing but it's so so tedious, I'm very close to just ditching the Dratini and sticking with Gyarados... Also, being limited to just Kanto Pokemon means that there is a limit to the teams you can build around the starter you get. I have the partner Eevee, Alolan Raichu, Alolan Ninetails, Nidoking, Venusaur and Dratini atm, I know that's two Poison types so I might swap out Nidoking for a water type idk. I didn't want to use all the starters so I haven't got a water or fire type atm, I did have a Gyarados but swapped it for the Dratini for now as that can learn Water moves although it ofc doesn't have STAB for them. I guess I could have Rapidash or Alolan Marowak (which doesn't actually get a physical ghost STAB...) for fire, Growlithe/Arcanine are only available in Pikachu version, but the Eevee tutor moves can cover whatever gaps you have if you don't feel like using certain Pokemon so I don't feel limited to having to have one of each of the core types, I usually tend to make sure I do. Idk, I just can't think of many more Pokemon I'm that desperate to use that would make a viable team with enough coverage, it's hard when you're limited to the original 151 + Meltan/Melmetal (which I can't even have bc cba playing Pokemon Go enough to unlock them) and don't want to keep using the same Pokemon I've used in so many playthroughs of Red/Fire Red. |
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Dec 3 2018, 04:45 AM
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rip in peace Dickston
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Eevee/Rhyhorn/Lapras/Charizard/Victreebell/Machamp is my current team, also with Sizzly Slide & Baddy Bad on Eevee I have the fairy move too right now which helps a lot functioning as a cleric. I’ve changed my roster up a hell of a lot through the game too which isn’t something I normally do in Pokémon. Nidoqueen, Gyarados, Blastoise, Haunter, Arcanine, and Pidgeot have been thrown away in favourite of better coverage In regular games I wouldn’t do this because leveling up newer stuff would be too much of a pain...
Although usually I also don’t use as many Pokémon because I have a set core team I want to go into the E4 with... In Ruby/OR I basically always saved a slot for Altaria, Glalie, and Dusclops despite all being fairly late game additions |
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Dec 3 2018, 12:32 PM
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I just had to see your face to feel alive
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Having said that, I can't see it having any replay value for me. It's not that the games are easy which has put me off, but as obviously a big Pokemon fan I just find the amount that's been cut out pretty jarring. I keep thinking of moves that could be good on my team, only to remember they've been taken out The movesets are quite limiting, I also keep thinking of held items, of course they can't be used in this game, and my head is programmed to abilities (I keep not using Dig on the Gastly and Koffing lines when they'd go down so easily to a Nidoking Dig). Wow I didn't even know all these things were cut from the game. The ones coming next year better be vastly different. |
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Dec 3 2018, 03:42 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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It affects some worse than others, in some cases it just sort of simplifies movesets (for example Giga Drain doesn't exist, but Mega Drain is buffed to have the same power, which I didn't care much about to be honest), but in others it is to the detriment of the Pokemon (for example, Alolan Dugtrio has no physical Steel STAB because Iron Head doesn't exist, and obviously it's a more physical than special Pokemon so Flash Cannon isn't really good enough as its only Steel STAB).
My big thing still is I'm not sure what the point is to it all. I kind of get making it simpler so people can get on board, but when (and they bloody better had) they go back to "normal", surely for people who have really got into Let's Go and played it all year until the new game comes, it's going to be SO overwhelming to suddenly have 809 Pokemon, over 700 moves, 233 abilities, all the held items that are possible etc. Not that it's hard to learn everything, but if people spend this year or so getting used to the Let's Go way, it's going to probably be quite jarring for them when they move across. I get simplifying a bit, but the fact it only had Kanto Pokemon (which of course locks out a lot of moves that no Kanto Pokemon learn anyway) was probably enough, without removing moves that they learn. I just think there's more of a middle ground that could've been taken in terms of what's been removed. |
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Dec 4 2018, 08:35 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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Got Let's Go Pikachu the other day and really liking it. Compared to the main games it's quite easy, especially with awakening values. Not to mention shiny pokemon are much easier to get - I got a Shiny pidgey in like 15-20 minutes of chaining. It's a good way to bridge the gap between Pokemon Go and the main games though for when they come out next year. I'm hoping you'll be able to transfer pokemon from Let's Go Pikachu to the next gen games. I assume you will be able to.
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Dec 17 2018, 06:35 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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So I finished the game the other day (well, I beat the Elite Four) and now I’m sort of like meh now what? Being able to battle the gym leaders again is a nice touch, but I legit don’t get or like the specialist 1:1 battles and it’s a struggle to level up now without randomly catching the same Pokemon over and over again. Also, I lost my chance for Mewtwo which I’m gutted for, but I had no idea it was Level 70 so I had no chance there AND Water Pokemon should be more easily available. Apart from Psyduck and Krabby you legit have to wait until you get to Fuschia City which is a pain... I wanted a Poliwag/Horsea earlier on! Especially when Poliwag can be caught between Viridian/Victory Road. I’m not saying I want a Goldeen in the wild as that’s just stupid, but those that can reside on land should be easily available too.
Legit tempted to start over again, which is something I always enjoyed doing with the handheld games. I’m hoping they do a Johto and Hoenn version of these games as it really works as a concept. |
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Dec 18 2018, 03:47 AM
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rip in peace Dickston
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So I finished the game the other day (well, I beat the Elite Four) and now I’m sort of like meh now what? Being able to battle the gym leaders again is a nice touch, but I legit don’t get or like the specialist 1:1 battles and it’s a struggle to level up now without randomly catching the same Pokemon over and over again. Also, I lost my chance for Mewtwo which I’m gutted for, but I had no idea it was Level 70 so I had no chance there AND Water Pokemon should be more easily available. Apart from Psyduck and Krabby you legit have to wait until you get to Fuschia City which is a pain... I wanted a Poliwag/Horsea earlier on! Especially when Poliwag can be caught between Viridian/Victory Road. I’m not saying I want a Goldeen in the wild as that’s just stupid, but those that can reside on land should be easily available too. Legit tempted to start over again, which is something I always enjoyed doing with the handheld games. I’m hoping they do a Johto and Hoenn version of these games as it really works as a concept. The Elite 4 was incredibly easy I found tbh. The first two kinda took a big chunk out of my team and I forgot to stock up on revives, but then I swept through the second two Elites and the Champion with a Lapras and 3 X Speeds... I had Machamp as a backup for Lapras but he never even saw battle because my Lappy was that much of a beast. A shame really because I haven't picked up the game since then not even to go get Mewtwo :/ Post-game challenges aren't really a new issue for Pokemon games though because hardly any games have had decent things to do after beating the Champion. Btw I think having Squirtle available fairly early on is supposed to make up for the fact the rest of the water types are kept until late game. |
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Dec 18 2018, 07:09 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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I finished the other day too and have pretty much 0 desire to replay, I did enjoy the game more than I thought in the end as I've said but it doesn't have a lot of replayability for me, as I said there aren't too many other teams I'm that fussed on using that work type-wise.... The Master Trainer things just seem so pointless, like you'd have your team of 6 and be able to do those but who'd bother doing them all?! Like wow you get to go in Cerulean Cave too. I found the Elite Four super easy as well, I went in underlevelled thinking it might buff up the challenge a bit but it didn't
I miss the likes of 4th gen's postgame when there was the whole Battle Frontier island, or even at least gen 3's with the Battle Frontier facilities. They could have at least added the Sevii Islands from Gen 3's remakes or made a new sort of Battle Frontier type challenge somewhere. But that's not just a problem in this game by any means, sixth and seventh gen both were quite lacking in that department. The Battle Tree in the latter was fine I guess, but it would be nice if every game had a new mini-region or island at least for something to do after the game. A lot of other RPGs have an extensive post-game so idk why they can't, hopefully the Switch gen 8 game can! Gen 4 is definitely my fave thinking about all of this, the Elite 4 actually felt like a challenge which it hasn't since really (Gen 5's was ok in that regard) and the postgame was excellent, it's a shame things have moved slowly backwards from then. |
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Dec 21 2018, 07:08 PM
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A dead mouse (from my cat)
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Really enjoying this!
4 gyms in, my current team: 1. Pikachu 2. Charizard 3. Vileplume 4. Raticate 5. Articuno 6. Blastoise |
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