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 21st July 2019, 03:48 PM
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 there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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This is honestly getting rididuclous. What is it even tracking any more? They should be clear that it's a fictionalized show to showcase *some* of the popular songs and singles of the moment but which actually has no bearing on either what the highest sold by any metric or played by any metric track(s) is that week, or any week.
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21st July 2019, 04:24 PM
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I completely dismissed Spotify as a chart force until the restriction on song plays was lifted in March 2013, which from memory was also the exact point it began its ascendence above downloads.
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21st July 2019, 04:40 PM
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What I don't understand is, how in this day and age anyone can still follow the charts relentlessly week after week. The charts have been a broken mess for a long time!
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21st July 2019, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jul 21 2019, 04:09 PM)  I’d say 2012-13 is when it became clear to me streaming was soon going to be the dominant form of music consumption. ever since the spotify boom sales were only ever going to trend downwards. it certainly makes the OCC’s job a lot harder anyway hence the constant changing of the rules but they have to adapt to modern times. I just don’t fully agree with the methods they’ve used to try and make the chart more interesting. I don’t think they are adapting to modern times though. They’re desperately clinging on to the idea of an ‘official’ chart which just doesn’t work in this day and age. If they were adapting, they’d have separate sales and streaming charts rather than forcing it all together into the mess it currently is. Equating streams to sales has always been an issue. |
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21st July 2019, 07:24 PM
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RIP Singles Chart 1952-2014
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21st July 2019, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jul 21 2019, 05:43 PM) I don’t think they are adapting to modern times though. They’re desperately clinging on to the idea of an ‘official’ chart which just doesn’t work in this day and age. If they were adapting, they’d have separate sales and streaming charts rather than forcing it all together into the mess it currently is. Equating streams to sales has always been an issue. They do have separate charts for Sales and Streams so I think they're sort of aware that there is still a demand for the individual data just like it was when the Download chart emerged. |
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21st July 2019, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(lewistgreen @ Jul 21 2019, 08:28 PM) They do have separate charts for Sales and Streams so I think they're sort of aware that there is still a demand for the individual data just like it was when the Download chart emerged. But it’s not like it was then. A download and a CD are both sales. Streaming is not. Like I said, instead of moving with the times they’re actually pandering to a bunch of people who don’t wish to progress. Hence messy chart. |
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21st July 2019, 08:01 PM
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If they’ve changed the reset from 50% to 25%, then they’re making a mistake. It’s gonna make the chart more stale
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21st July 2019, 08:05 PM
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I dread to think what january is going to look like next year with loads of stale songs being reset too
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21st July 2019, 08:34 PM
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 is my brain across your walls?
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jul 21 2019, 08:37 PM) But it’s not like it was then. A download and a CD are both sales. Streaming is not. Like I said, instead of moving with the times they’re actually pandering to a bunch of people who don’t wish to progress. Hence messy chart. What exactly would your suggestion be for how they should 'move with the times'? |
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21st July 2019, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(Bré @ Jul 21 2019, 09:34 PM) What exactly would your suggestion be for how they should 'move with the times'? I don’t have a suggestion for how to compile one ‘official’ chart. No one really does and that’s why it’s become a mess. I’ve already said that they should just publish the sales chart and streaming charts separately. The only reason we add it all together is because people can’t let go of having an ‘official’ chart. I didn’t want streaming added to the chart but was told I had to move with the times. Perhaps we’ve reached a point where the ‘official’ chart serves no purpose. We can reflect on a chart based on what people are buying and one based on what they’re listening to the most. I really don’t see the point of persisting with a combined chart when it’s as superficial as it is now. |
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21st July 2019, 10:39 PM
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I think the idea of making it a points-based chart like the Hot 100 is good. Paid-for sales should be worth the most points (as rare as they are) so people like Kylie who still do well on sales would be better represented on the charts. That could be the ‘official’ chart and then still have separate sales and streaming charts. Never gonna happen!
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21st July 2019, 11:48 PM
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as long as they’re changing all these rules, why not add airplay, at least it helps other genres reach the chart, rock and alternative have been absent from the chart since downloads became dominant in the mid 2000’s, and also this would help older artists who get plays on radio stations like Radio 2...
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21st July 2019, 11:52 PM
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the 3 song cap is also ridiciulous, instead of this silly rule why not seperate album streams and playlist streams from song streams, that way you wouldn’t have albums by Ed Sheeran or Drake or ready made playlists flooding the charts... and the only songs that chart would be the ones streamed by music fans...
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22nd July 2019, 05:42 AM
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omg please don’t include airplay, that would be the worst move possible.
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22nd July 2019, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE(Dark Horse @ Jul 21 2019, 11:52 PM) the 3 song cap is also ridiciulous, instead of this silly rule why not seperate album streams and playlist streams from song streams, that way you wouldn’t have albums by Ed Sheeran or Drake or ready made playlists flooding the charts... and the only songs that chart would be the ones streamed by music fans... because it’s not possible for them to do so? the occ can only work with the data they are given. it would be ideal to stop double counting in the singles and albums chart but I don’t think they can tell apart streams of tracks and streams of albums and playlists at this point. airplay would totally kill the chart too, it would only benefit the Ed Sheerans of the world even more and any other tracks that are on commercial hit radio playlists. there aren’t enough radio stations playing indie/rock in comparison for it to give those acts a boost. |
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22nd July 2019, 07:16 AM
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of course Spotify can tell apart if you stream from a playlist or the album and could provide that data to the occ, it's 2019, anything can be done analysis-wise, they just need to ask
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22nd July 2019, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE(coi @ Jul 22 2019, 08:42 AM) omg please don’t include airplay, that would be the worst move possible. its still way better than adding endless ready made playlists, at least with airplay you have a variety of genres which are never included in spotify playlists... |
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22nd July 2019, 09:57 AM
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But with spotify playlists you can skip songs
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22nd July 2019, 10:02 AM
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I don't care if there are 10 sales a week, I want streaming removed from the sales chart. It is the worst thing that's ever happened to the charts and have made then redundant and insignificant
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