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Umi View member profile	Feb 14 2017, 04:47 AM Post #41
All I See br29 Joined: 17 August 2011 Posts: 12,907 User: 14,659	This is majorly good, and the dancing gorilla is dumb as hell but has so much obvious potential to be memorable. I think Italy are comfortably doing the best out of the big 5 this year.


pes View member profile	Feb 15 2017, 11:27 AM Post #42
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 10 November 2014 Posts: 377 User: 21,363	I can't believe my country song doing so good on you tube views and itunes european countries considering Gabbani is pretty new to the big scene..The melody is there also the gorilla routine although I m not a fan of his raspy voice, regarding the meaning of the song is more deep of what you can think This post has been edited by pes: Feb 15 2017, 11:58 AM


Umi View member profile	Feb 15 2017, 10:55 PM Post #43
All I See br29 Joined: 17 August 2011 Posts: 12,907 User: 14,659	QUOTE(pes @ Feb 15 2017, 11:27 AM) I can't believe my country song doing so good on you tube views and itunes european countries considering Gabbani is pretty new to the big scene..The melody is there also the gorilla routine although I m not a fan of his raspy voice, regarding the meaning of the song is more deep of what you can think Yeah I'm stunned at how well it's doing. Here's the Kworb numbers: #1 Italy #2 Malta #13 Switzerland #28 Luxembourg #31 Sweden #39 Spain #161 Ireland #162 Germany This looks like hype to me.


Tafty³³³ View member profile	Feb 17 2017, 12:10 AM Post #44
I found the love, I found the love in me Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 13 December 2007 Posts: 87,422 User: 5,042	The video has 14 million views already! THAT'S CRAZY!


AdamAloud View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 04:10 PM Post #45
I was born 7 million years ago in Sweden, Africa Joined: 4 October 2010 Posts: 13,253 User: 11,955	3 minute ESC Version Mj6tVGKzfhU


p a v View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 04:28 PM Post #46
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,269 User: 4,397	Awkward second chorus. I guess they wanted to cram in as much of the chorus as possible as it's catchy as f*** . I wouldn't mind this winning tbh


Ryan. View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 04:54 PM Post #47
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 23 December 2010 Posts: 24,411 User: 12,608	I'm just so glad that they kept in the instrumental before the final chorus that I don't care what else they did to it, I think it's a great edit though!


gooddelta View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 05:02 PM Post #48
Hello? Joined: 8 March 2006 Posts: 83,010 User: 116	This song is the whole package, I don't see any other viable contender right now. It's going to clean up on both the jury and televote, surely? Unless his gruff voice is a turnoff for people. I can imagine it doing surprisingly well (for a foreign language song) on UK iTunes too, of course it won't be touched on streaming so will do nothing officially.


LexC View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 05:12 PM Post #49
Attack Dog/Sass Queen Joined: 29 January 2008 Posts: 16,022 User: 5,342	I don't think this is locked on to be the jury winner at all. Televote's a different story but I can easily see this just being top 5 with the juries and something else grabbing the win.


Liаm View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 05:32 PM Post #50
Brown cow, stunning! Joined: 7 December 2009 Posts: 67,164 User: 10,139	I agree that this probably isn't locked on 100% jury winner but it'll definitely storm the televote and it won't bomb on the juries, so it has the biggest chance for sure atm. I've kept saying "something else will come along randomly" but I haven't got the feeling from anything else so unless Armenia really pulls it off I think it will be this. But then again at this point nobody would've said Conchita or The Common Linnets would have been contenders so this might just be one of those years like that where something comes up at the semi final stage and ends up winning. There's a lot of good songs this year but nothing bar this really feels like it could win. It's so infectious, whenever I hear the instrumental bit I just want to get up and do the dance no matter where I am


Umi View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 06:17 PM Post #51
All I See br29 Joined: 17 August 2011 Posts: 12,907 User: 14,659	The transition from the first chorus is awkward as hell but the song still functions and it's less catastrophic than last year's Italian revamp. As regards winning, I don't really feel like the change will make a difference either way. It's still either this or Sweden realistically.


♫ Boyan ♫ View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 07:09 PM Post #52
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 15 March 2006 Posts: 11,034 User: 229	Grande Amore won the televote in 2015 I don't see why this won't do the same. Italy FTW!


Tafty³³³ View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 09:13 PM Post #53
I found the love, I found the love in me Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 13 December 2007 Posts: 87,422 User: 5,042	Agreed that the transition from the first chorus is awkward, but I think that might just be down to me familiarising myself with the original a bit too much! It's a great edit though, coz it really does capitalise on the chorus, hook and energy of the song!


Ryan. View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 09:38 PM Post #54
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 23 December 2010 Posts: 24,411 User: 12,608	I can't see Sweden being a contender, as Lex was saying to me the other day 'I Can't Go On' just doesn't have the heart, euphoria or emotional pull winners tend to have. It's so slick and professional that it does lose that emotion. Jamala obviously have TONS of emotion, Mans had his little cute stick figure, Conchita had her whole back story, Emmelie even had her confetti euphoric moment, Loreen's was even called Euphoria. Liam sums it up perfectly by saying this has THE euphoria moment with the instrumental section, I can pinpoint such a moment in I Can't Go On. Out of the other favourites, Bulgaria falls into the Sweden category of very slick and professional but sacrificing emotion whereas Portugal definitely falls on the Italy side of having that emotional pull, although Salvador of course evokes much different emotion to Francesco.


LexC View member profile	Mar 17 2017, 10:05 PM Post #55
Attack Dog/Sass Queen Joined: 29 January 2008 Posts: 16,022 User: 5,342	QUOTE(Ryan. @ Mar 17 2017, 09:38 PM) I can't see Sweden being a contender, as Lex was saying to me the other day 'I Can't Go On' just doesn't have the heart, euphoria or emotional pull winners tend to have. It's so slick and professional that it does lose that emotion. Jamala obviously have TONS of emotion, Mans had his little cute stick figure, Conchita had her whole back story, Emmelie even had her confetti euphoric moment, Loreen's was even called Euphoria. Liam sums it up perfectly by saying this has THE euphoria moment with the instrumental section, I can pinpoint such a moment in I Can't Go On. Out of the other favourites, Bulgaria falls into the Sweden category of very slick and professional but sacrificing emotion whereas Portugal definitely falls on the Italy side of having that emotional pull, although Salvador of course evokes much different emotion to Francesco. That's not QUITE what I was saying. What I said was that the winners/stuff that is in contention for the win have messages that work on an affective level. Jamala/Mans/Conchita all had the narrative of triumph through adversity, Emmelie (and basically every other peace ballad that's done well) was a "love love peace peace" moment, Sound of Silence was all about the struggle to connect in a disconnected world and Calm After The Storm was a will they/won't they about a couple that were breaking up. The basic thread that runs through all of them is that the message/narrative is about tugging people's heartstrings that is emphasised by things like the staging. The 'euphoric' instrumentals help in that regard but they aren't a guarantor of working in that emotional register alone or else Say Yay or countless other 'euphoric' dance songs would have done far better than they ended up doing. And that is one of my biggest reasons why I'm having second thoughts about Italy at least being a runaway winner in the vein of Fairytale/Euphoria is that it just doesn't work on a similar kind of emotional level (and nor does Sweden either, in fairness). If you don't speak Italian, it is just a catchy pop song with the gimmick of a dancing gorilla (and even if you do 'modern culture is well bad lol' isn't on the same level as triumphing through great adversity) which if you decoupled it from the "this is the favourite" tag is on the same level as "that one with the yodeling" for instance.


ScottyEm View member profile	Mar 18 2017, 01:07 AM Post #56
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 29 April 2006 Posts: 3,392 User: 519	QUOTE(Liаm @ Mar 17 2017, 05:32 PM) I agree that this probably isn't locked on 100% jury winner but it'll definitely storm the televote and it won't bomb on the juries, so it has the biggest chance for sure atm. I've kept saying "something else will come along randomly" but I haven't got the feeling from anything else so unless Armenia really pulls it off I think it will be this. But then again at this point nobody would've said Conchita or The Common Linnets would have been contenders so this might just be one of those years like that where something comes up at the semi final stage and ends up winning. There's a lot of good songs this year but nothing bar this really feels like it could win. It's so infectious, whenever I hear the instrumental bit I just want to get up and do the dance no matter where I am This. I think we will have a similar outcome to 2016. Italy is likely to win the televote but not the jury. I think this is too kitsch (crap) to win the jury vote? A law of averages will win this, which leads me to thinking either Belgium or Sweden have this in the bag.


Tafty³³³ View member profile	Mar 18 2017, 01:32 AM Post #57
I found the love, I found the love in me Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 13 December 2007 Posts: 87,422 User: 5,042	The original video having 60m+ views already thoughhhhh!


p a v View member profile	Mar 18 2017, 06:23 AM Post #58
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,269 User: 4,397	QUOTE(LexC @ Mar 18 2017, 01:05 AM) That's not QUITE what I was saying. What I said was that the winners/stuff that is in contention for the win have messages that work on an affective level. Jamala/Mans/Conchita all had the narrative of triumph through adversity, Emmelie (and basically every other peace ballad that's done well) was a "love love peace peace" moment, Sound of Silence was all about the struggle to connect in a disconnected world and Calm After The Storm was a will they/won't they about a couple that were breaking up. The basic thread that runs through all of them is that the message/narrative is about tugging people's heartstrings that is emphasised by things like the staging. The 'euphoric' instrumentals help in that regard but they aren't a guarantor of working in that emotional register alone or else Say Yay or countless other 'euphoric' dance songs would have done far better than they ended up doing. And that is one of my biggest reasons why I'm having second thoughts about Italy at least being a runaway winner in the vein of Fairytale/Euphoria is that it just doesn't work on a similar kind of emotional level (and nor does Sweden either, in fairness). If you don't speak Italian, it is just a catchy pop song with the gimmick of a dancing gorilla (and even if you do 'modern culture is well bad lol' isn't on the same level as triumphing through great adversity) which if you decoupled it from the "this is the favourite" tag is on the same level as "that one with the yodeling" for instance. The problem is that the majority of Europeans watching the show don't even speak English (although obviously it's changing now and fast), so I would place the actual message of the song without any special effects and tricks as less important than the clothes and make up. Thats why the staging and visual effects are essential. They will basically translate the song to people who don't understand or pay attention to the lyrics. Of course there's another thing as hype outside of the contest or commentators giving out information about the song prior to the performance etc. which could help with spreading the message but you would be surprised how few people actually listen to them and take it on board


BillyH View member profile	Mar 19 2017, 12:06 AM Post #59
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 10 July 2008 Posts: 2,146 User: 6,614	Only just heard this for the first time - yeah, if this wins then well deserved for Italy, even without the "LOL dancing gorilla!!" gimmick it's an awesome pop track, and full credit that they've kept it in Italian as I do miss the old foreign-language winners that fizzled out (for obvious reasons) in the late 90s. One of my friends is part Ukrainian and part Italian, so she'd be over the moon if this won a year after Jamala! Would finally give Italy a chance to rectify the hilarious chaos that was the 1991 contest too "MR NEFF!!"


Liаm View member profile	Mar 20 2017, 04:53 AM Post #60
Brown cow, stunning! Joined: 7 December 2009 Posts: 67,164 User: 10,139	This just keeps growing on me, it's one of those foreign language songs where I'm slowly learning all the words regardless (Italian is a bit easier than like Crimean Tatar with 1944 ofc but still) and the instrumental break has to be the best bit in any song this year <3 Also I kind of fancy him but I know I'll be alone on that one (this might be why)