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Posted by: Medellíam Jul 26 2019, 03:58 PM

She's better off building the hype again with singles before launching into an album. She's off to a good start with Never Really Over so I hope that continues.

Posted by: 365 Jul 26 2019, 04:26 PM

Apparently, even though it's part of the vibe, 'Harley's in Hawaii' is not the actual title. The song is out on the 9th of August. She's rumoured to be receiving the Vanguard award at VMAs in August so I'm sure she'll perform it there.

Posted by: Theonix Jul 26 2019, 05:26 PM

Oh my gay they'll really give that award to anyone who shows up, won't they?!

Posted by: Jordan Lee Jul 27 2019, 06:28 PM

“Katy elaborated further on her plans to release stand-alone singles in the coming months to Australian DJ Smallzy: "For the past year, I’ve basically said I’m not making a record," she explained. "It’s a big commitment of time and touring. I’ve done that for the past four records and for almost ten years straight. I’m trying to investigate some normal balance in my life.

"I’m not making a record but I’m still writing songs and going into the studio. I definitely have a couple of songs that I really love and I’m excited to share with the world in the very near future."

An album is not completely out of the question however. Katy confirmed to Zach Sang that an album could potentially be released "if there’s demand for a full body of work."

That’s from the official charts.

I’m guessing we will get an album at some point but she’s just seeing what types of sound people react best too possibly?

I think we might get like four singles. With the third coming in Q4.

Then maybe the album release next year?

Posted by: 365 Jul 28 2019, 05:01 PM

An insider said we'll get third single in early 2020 and that will be followed with an album if there has been decent reactions. They haven't wanted to jump the gun announcing albums.

Posted by: 365 Jul 29 2019, 07:36 AM

Apparently it's called Small Talk

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Jul 29 2019, 08:52 AM

Ooooh, how very Louise.

Posted by: blacksquare Jul 29 2019, 10:19 AM

Being co-produced by Charlie Puth doesn't leave me with much hope...

Posted by: 365 Jul 29 2019, 02:58 PM

Co-produced by Charlie Puth and Johan Carlsson, apparently out August 9th.

Posted by: Cqmerqn Jul 29 2019, 05:07 PM

I love the title Small Talk!

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 5 2019, 12:58 PM

Is this happening still?

Is Katy the guest this link is referring too?

https://capitalfm.co/31gIz29

There’s nothing on her socials atm in regards to a new single release or big promo like that.

Going by Katy in the past has she been the sort to do surprise things in the past?

Posted by: 365 Aug 5 2019, 01:15 PM

I just can't see it being Rihanna or Adele's style to go on like 4 talk shows in a week for a single. They like to be more elusive than that. It sounds more like Taylor or Katy or someone else.

Posted by: JosephAvery Aug 6 2019, 09:08 PM

She's coming!!

Posted by: 365 Aug 6 2019, 09:12 PM

Here we go!

Posted by: Jαsє Aug 6 2019, 09:15 PM

HOW do you follow up 'Never Really Over' which is literally pop perfection. I'm hyped but I'm nervous for her!!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 6 2019, 09:17 PM

So it's aboot a break up and the banal convos after one okay

Posted by: Wall Aug 6 2019, 09:40 PM

I feel like never really over is still increasing on USA radio? It’s sad she never bothered to promote it!

Posted by: Theonix Aug 6 2019, 09:43 PM

I'm super excited to hear this but I am still kinda gutted that Never Really Over hasn't been the megahit that it deserves to be...

Posted by: 365 Aug 6 2019, 09:45 PM

It was pulled from radio just after it went top 10 on pop. Presumably because the new single was coming. A bit of a shame! It's one of Katy's biggest streaming hits ever on Spotify, Shane radio was so slow. Climbed on billboard yesterday too:
15 - 28 - 29 - 27 - 28 - 31 - 32 - 32 - 29

Let's hope it's worth it and Small Talk does a bit better. It's going to be a tough act to follow quality wise though!

Posted by: RobBob Aug 6 2019, 11:08 PM

I've got really high hopes she's going to keep the quality up here.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 7 2019, 09:59 AM

I’m excited to hear this.

Never Really Over was a big turning point for me singles wise and a huge return to form for her imo.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 7 2019, 02:19 PM

Exactly the same here! It's so brilliant that it's set the bar almost impossibly high.

Posted by: JosephAvery Aug 7 2019, 06:27 PM

Love!

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 7 2019, 06:48 PM

Yeah. Love that cover too!

Posted by: Medellíam Aug 7 2019, 07:56 PM

Groovy, baby.

Posted by: 365 Aug 7 2019, 08:21 PM

Invented the Sixties!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 7 2019, 08:31 PM

This should have been the style and sound of the last era!!

Posted by: RobBob Aug 7 2019, 11:03 PM

EXCITING, cover feels upbeat and summery.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 8 2019, 12:12 AM

I love that artwork

Might be my favourite ever single cover she’s done tbh!!

Posted by: 365 Aug 8 2019, 12:24 AM

I prefer it without the background I think.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 8 2019, 12:54 AM

Those images are the first times I’ve really like appreciated the blonde hair on her.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 8 2019, 08:46 AM

Oh Damn, I thought today was Friday and only just realised it's not.

Posted by: 365 Aug 8 2019, 08:04 PM

View this post on Instagram

Sounds like another bop very in line sonically with NRO!

Posted by: RobBob Aug 8 2019, 11:58 PM

Presumably the pre-chorus?

View this post on Instagram

SOUNDS PROMISING.

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 9 2019, 12:05 AM

She is unbeatable in the lyric videos department

Sounds like it's gonna be a pretty generic drop in the chorus... gahhhh. I hope I'm wrong though!

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 9 2019, 12:20 AM

I was excited until the very last second with that deep voice, we all know what's coming If this is the big single she's planning to promote, it should've went on NRO. I will never stop being bitter about the way she totally neglected her best song ever

I'm happy with the direction she's going, very 1989y, but just... cut the drops!

Posted by: RobBob Aug 9 2019, 12:25 AM

I don't know about a generic drop! For some reason, it reminded me of the "HUH" before No Excuses by Meghan Trainor. Not saying I want it to sound like that flop (though it is severely underrated) but... also leads me to believe Katy isn't gonna throw some weak ass drop our way.

People said the same about the Never Really Over pre-chorus.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 9 2019, 01:10 AM

I’ll have to judge when I hear the whole song.

The clip sounded a bit like a 6/10 maybes? idk maybe it’s one of those songs what has strong verses but a weaker chorus like Arianas problem (it sort of reminded me of that the way the chorus was male spoken).

Posted by: RobBob Aug 9 2019, 01:28 AM

Okay, now I'm worried if this is the chorus...

View this post on Instagram

Posted by: 365 Aug 9 2019, 04:17 AM

It's cute! Not as instant as NRO, but I'm sure I'll grow to enjoy it

Posted by: UltraME! Aug 9 2019, 04:18 AM

^my exact first thoughts as well!

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 9 2019, 04:19 AM

A lot worse than the snippets would suggest... oh Katy

#1 on TTH? This is so ridiculous, if NRO had that kinda promo...

Posted by: Bjork Aug 9 2019, 06:27 AM

meh a bit of a mis-step

Posted by: LMLou Aug 9 2019, 06:47 AM

There’s no way this can be a hit if NRO never properly took off. Such a step down and a huge disappointment

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 9 2019, 06:51 AM

It's totally forgettable, I've listened like 10 times and can't remember anything about it! Nothing like NRO I don't know what she was thinking, lightning definitely doesn't strike twice. NRO was THE hit that got away

Posted by: Cqmerqn Aug 9 2019, 06:53 AM

It did

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 9 2019, 06:54 AM

It didn't. Definitely not in the UK

Posted by: 365 Aug 9 2019, 06:55 AM

TTH is a US playlist though, NRO had amazing TTH support, it was #1 a few times. Support wasn't as good on HHUK.

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 9 2019, 06:58 AM

Idk but everybody was saying NRO was just to build hype and that this would be the "real" smash with tons of promo - which would be a waste to say the least!

And somebody on another forum said she'd be doing interviews in the UK to promote this so it definitely seems that way, NRO got nothing. I don't know why people on this forum have to be so pedantic and confrontational when it's pretty obvious NRO had very little promotion whether it was briefly #1 on a playlist or not

Posted by: Mullo Aug 9 2019, 07:24 AM

I like it

Lyric video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=75&v=u07cFymU0e0

Posted by: Jay ☆ Aug 9 2019, 07:25 AM

Small Talk is very cute! I'm happy with it, I'll certainly be using it and bopping away for the rest of the summer

Never Really Over was a triumph of a song, but I wasn't really after part 2 - I'm happy with a different vibe this time. This is "lighter" sounding (even though the subject matter is actually quite sad).

My favourite part of the song is:

"I just can't believe
We went from strangers to lovers to strangers in a lifetime
Now just memories"

Not quite sure about the "blah blah blah" section, but it is very Katy and to be fair it does fit the mood of feeling like there's nothing of substance left to say with an ex.

Posted by: Cremey Aug 9 2019, 08:19 AM

Really liking this!
Definitely doesn’t sound as big as NRO but she’s in a much better position now than she was when that was released. Completely agree with Jay, the pre-chorus is gorgeous.

And another song without an unnecessary drop 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 9 2019, 08:26 AM

Eh. Nothing else to say.

Posted by: JosephAvery Aug 9 2019, 08:35 AM

It's a brilliant song! I can understand disappointment following the soaring pop anthem that is Never Really Over, but this is a great follow-up. Melodically strong, distinctive enough to stand out and still very Katy. I think this could appeal more to the GP than NRO!

Posted by: Wall Aug 9 2019, 08:58 AM

It just sounds very forgettable tbh

Posted by: Juliano Aug 9 2019, 09:52 AM

I like this a lot, it's no NRO, but it's going on my playlist!

Posted by: Rossco Aug 9 2019, 09:56 AM

The queen of inconsistency strikes again. Underwhelming after NRO which showed her back on form.

Posted by: Cameron Aug 9 2019, 10:26 AM

It's cute

Posted by: John-James Aug 9 2019, 10:27 AM

This is so...mediocre. Forgot the melody already

Posted by: dandy* Aug 9 2019, 10:47 AM

It's alright and all, it's nowhere near her best but definitely a whole lot better than her worst moments.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 9 2019, 10:56 AM

Bon Appetit was a much better and a much more interesting bop second single

#hottake

#boneappleteababy

Posted by: 365 Aug 9 2019, 11:19 AM

Bon Appetit is better than most things tho.

This is still a cute little song.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 9 2019, 11:33 AM

I really like this

It’s a hit for sure not in a big euphoric way NRO was it’s more subtle than that.

I do like this though it’s catchy enough the verses are strong as is the chorus and it’s pretty relatable too.

As for as her second singles go I like it more than Unconditionally and Bon Appetit.

Posted by: Liаm Aug 9 2019, 11:54 AM

This is quite cute, it feels more Spotify than NRO so I think this may actually do better whereas NRO was more "perfect for the gays"

I can see this growing too, I found myself warming to it a little more as the first listen went on!

Posted by: RobBob Aug 9 2019, 11:59 AM

My first listen wasn't immediately blown away but I think following Never Really Over was near on impossible because it's SO euphoric that anything tamer feels like a bit of a comedown. But, this isn't Never Really Over and there's so much good about this.

The bridge is fantastic, very classic Katy and if it was paired with a different chorus, it'd be as much of a moment as "two years and just like that...". It's strange to have a Katy song feel like a grower because she's usually so instant with her melodies and in your face choruses because it does feel very typical of her still, especially the way it all comes together for the final chorus. A lovely earworm. One of her best and up there with Never Really Over? No. But, that's fine, I'll still be hammering it.

My biggest gripe is the middle 8 though, she's capable of so much better than "blah blah blah".

Posted by: RobBob Aug 9 2019, 12:44 PM

Track #34 (if you include those video things) on HHUK isn't a bad start, certainly in the first half!

Posted by: jark Aug 9 2019, 12:51 PM

I LOVE THIS.

The final chorus is absolutely sensational.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 9 2019, 01:26 PM

I felt like I spent the whole song waiting for something to happen and it just... didn't.

Posted by: RobBob Aug 9 2019, 01:36 PM

The final chorus comes together SO strongly for me, seems strange to say nothing happens. There's a feel of Selena Gomez x Julia Michaels of it, like a 'Hands To Myself' or 'Bad Liar' but like... if it was done by Katy, aka properly sung and given her production and lyrical nuances that make everything feel so typically HER.

Posted by: 365 Aug 9 2019, 01:46 PM

Yeah, there's some really strong flourishes on this. That ending really explodes.

It's a solid 7/10 to NRO's 11/10 for me right now.

Posted by: RobBob Aug 9 2019, 02:02 PM

I'd agree with that! Never Really Over, which I'm still not remotely tired, is making its way up to being one of my favourites of all time from her.

Posted by: Jαsє Aug 9 2019, 02:09 PM

I mean it's not one of her worst but it's super underwhelming It just doesn't go anywhere

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 9 2019, 02:22 PM

I actually could see this being a low top ten hit tbh. I wouldn’t be shocked at it peaking higher than Never Really Over.

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 9 2019, 02:57 PM

Only listened once but I like it. The production during the last chorus really reminds me of another song though. Need to relisten later and think what it is aha.

Posted by: 365 Aug 9 2019, 05:09 PM

'I've had every inch of your skin, there's nowhere your hands haven't been' - is pure filth.

Posted by: Atonement Aug 9 2019, 05:09 PM

I'm not a huge fan of NRO but it did sound like a big pop moment.

She should unrelease this.

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 9 2019, 05:13 PM

The production flourish during the last chorus actually reminds me of Shout Out To My Ex.

I love this. Hope its another hit for her

Posted by: Voodoo Aug 9 2019, 05:31 PM

Huh?!

Bridge = Middle 8

Posted by: 365 Aug 9 2019, 05:46 PM

Bridge = we went from strangers to lovers
Middle 8 = Blah Blah Blah Blah

A bridge is a pre-chorus, a middle 8 usually only happens towards the end of the song when building to the climax, like the 'boom boom boom' in firework or 'so let me get you in your birthday suit' from Birthday

Posted by: Voodoo Aug 9 2019, 06:51 PM

See here: https://www.learneverythingabout.com/lyrics/song-structure-bridges.html

Posted by: Juliano Aug 9 2019, 09:26 PM

This is actually growing on me quite a bit. It was a weak new music week for me, so maybe that's why.

Posted by: 365 Aug 10 2019, 06:35 AM

It's cool being at a place where Capital is spamming the hell out of two Katy singles at once. Something we didn't experience during Witness.

Posted by: slowdown73 Aug 10 2019, 08:58 AM

Small talk is quite an average track. It won’t perform as well as never really over and she will need a stronger third single to help boost pre-interest in any future album from this campaign. I think she will struggle to come back!

Posted by: troublepink Aug 10 2019, 09:28 AM

Love this!

Only just listened to it this morning, but I like it as much as I like NRO, and I'm loving the lyric video

Posted by: Bjork Aug 10 2019, 10:25 AM

lol a bridge is not the pre-chorus oh my

Posted by: Klimawechsel Aug 10 2019, 12:13 PM

I'm a fan! It's another single that will keep the public and radio on board which is all we can ask for! Not as big a moment as NRO but I think this will go top 20 and have a decent chart run. Strangerstoloverstostrangers is a really nice part of the song which is memorable enough even if the chorus isn't as big as I'd like it. However this does sound more 4th/5th single territory rather than 2nd.

Only thing I'm not a fan of is that Katy says 'SMALL TUK' instead of talk

Posted by: Voodoo Aug 10 2019, 12:45 PM

For me it's up there with Never Really Over. It's perhaps even better, dare I say. *.*

My only gripe with the song is that it's too short.

Posted by: 365 Aug 10 2019, 12:47 PM

Posted by: 365 Aug 10 2019, 02:49 PM

Opening Spotify numbers sadly similar to 365's the charts haven't updated yet but this was 365's:

Global: #39
Uk: #57
US: #57

Posted by: Klimawechsel Aug 10 2019, 04:27 PM

Let's listen to Timbaland teach us about song structure:

Posted by: Jαsє Aug 10 2019, 04:32 PM

#12 on the US iTunes, down to #16 in the UK

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 10 2019, 07:42 PM

NRO is proof she can still get a decent hit with the right song at least... hopefully this will be a lesson to her!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 10 2019, 08:22 PM

Not surprised. 1 listen was enough for me. I could tell it was gonna be shet from the clips

Posted by: Atonement Aug 10 2019, 08:25 PM

It's actually not as bad as I thought, but I feel like it's missing just a little more punch.

Posted by: TheJüpreme Aug 10 2019, 08:36 PM

This is her Delicate, or so she/her label hopes, I reckon.

Posted by: jark Aug 10 2019, 09:57 PM

It had a 2.3m first day, much bigger than 365 (less than 1.5m from memory). NRO was about 3.1m.

Posted by: Cqmerqn Aug 10 2019, 10:55 PM

Spotify

Global: #27
UK: #41
US: #19

Amazing!

Posted by: 365 Aug 10 2019, 11:04 PM

Those are much better than expected - big shame it missed out on the top 50 effect today though.

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 10 2019, 11:44 PM

This is such an ear worm. It's slowly creeping into my affections and after each listen, I think more and more of it.... Such a good song.

Posted by: 365 Aug 10 2019, 11:55 PM

It's more mid table Katy for me, which isn't a bad thing because her singles are so strong, it feels like a comedown after NRO though. The final 40 seconds are amazing.

Posted by: 365 Aug 11 2019, 11:13 AM

It's a cute opening; in comparison to her other Spotify era singles openings, it goes like this:
Chained to The Rhythm
Global #10
US #10
UK #14
Never Really Over
Global #10
US #11
UK #31
Small Talk
Global: #27
US: #19
UK: #41

Bon Appetit
Global: #38
US #41
UK #47
Swish Swish
Global #42
US #54
UK #47
365
Global: #39
US: #57
UK: #57

So with any luck, it'll be a cute top 30 hit here for her at least.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 11 2019, 11:15 AM

Omg it's basically on Bon Appetit levels!

Posted by: Nick Jonas Aug 11 2019, 11:25 AM

Think it might miss the Top 20 this week.

Posted by: 365 Aug 11 2019, 11:58 AM

I didn't ever expect a second single to debut top 20 so soon after NRO. I'm thinking about #35 - 40?

Posted by: Jade Aug 11 2019, 02:17 PM

Oh I was quite enjoying this until the "blah blah blah" bit... what a momentum killer just like how the quickfire bit ruined 'Never Really Over' for me. I know the latter is a much more unpopular opinion but I'm not feeling these random quirks at all. Otherwise I do appreciate more of a sophisticated style sonically this era.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 11 2019, 02:20 PM

I think she should have stayed on NRO and heavily promoted it all summer.

Posted by: JosephAvery Aug 11 2019, 04:01 PM

I actually love the "blah blah blah blah" bit! It's bonkers but so very Katy, and it fits the song's playful tone very much. It's especially great after the final chorus!!

Posted by: 365 Aug 11 2019, 04:03 PM

The 'Blah Blah' took me by surprise the first time I heard it, but it works with what the song is about.

We've survived 'hey kids; spelling is fun!!!!' this year so this is inoffensive in comparison.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 11 2019, 04:08 PM

!!!!!!!!

Omg THIS!

But you can't spell awesome without MEEERRRRR

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 11 2019, 05:52 PM

The blah blah blah part totally works for me too.

It’s like she’s struggling to think of what to say / what conversation to have type thing it definitely works.

Had it come in Never Really Over I’d have thought wtf this is bad but in this particular song it works well.

She’s done far far worse than this

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 12 2019, 01:17 AM

It's already behind NRO on US iTunes and will be soon in the UK... welp. Single #3 please!

Posted by: ITz Cody Aug 12 2019, 06:16 AM

I think this song is just meant to be a grower? I keep finding myself getting random parts of the song stuck in my head.

Posted by: No Sleeep Aug 12 2019, 07:00 AM

Really? I must have listened about 20 times and I can't remember a thing off the top of my head, and I've seen a lot of people say the same

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 12 2019, 08:46 AM

Jeeeeezus CHRIST.

Posted by: Lukuzz Aug 12 2019, 10:19 AM

It's a good song, but in comparison to Never Really Over its just not in the same league. Still hope she gets at least top 30 from it

Posted by: 365 Aug 12 2019, 10:25 AM

I think it'll be her first single to not debut top 40 this week. I bet if she'd had top 50 exposure on Spotify on Saturday it would have managed.

Posted by: Theonix Aug 12 2019, 05:02 PM

#33 in the midweeks - could be worse but it is kind of disappointing after how big Never Really Over's debut was 🙁

I do really like this and it is still growing on me but I would change the deep voice that says "small talk" and the "blah blah blah" middle 8, they're holding it back from being an 8/9 whereas NRO was an immediate 10 for me

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 12 2019, 05:10 PM

It's a terrible song! I think this is just a placeholder between NRO and the Taylor duet.

Posted by: HausofTove Aug 13 2019, 11:44 AM

This really isn't good at all for me on first listen so forgettable, so bland and faceless and frankly.. annoying?

Most of us would probably skip this as an album track by her but I suppose it being a single means we give it more time. But nah, I can't see myself returning to it often out of choice.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 13 2019, 12:08 PM

THIS. I would never listen to this even on an album out of choice.

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 13 2019, 10:50 PM

This is such an earworm. So infectious!

Posted by: 365 Aug 14 2019, 09:21 AM

C list on R1 for Friday.

Posted by: Voodoo Aug 16 2019, 06:46 AM

Posted by: 365 Aug 16 2019, 09:31 AM

Vertical video is up on TTH. She is dressed like boo boo the clown.

Posted by: Theonix Aug 16 2019, 12:59 PM

Keep it

Posted by: Nick Jonas Aug 16 2019, 06:28 PM

Debuts at #43 this week.

Posted by: Voodoo Aug 17 2019, 09:26 AM

Remember guys, it's never really over.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 17 2019, 09:34 AM

Except when it is. Except when it's this.

Posted by: Jack Aug 18 2019, 08:57 PM

I'm really loving this, the way it builds up into the final chorus is so good. Of course it's flopping though, why wouldn't it be?

Posted by: Cqmerqn Aug 18 2019, 09:22 PM

Set to debut below #100 in the US! Eek.

That’s awful considering she was #1 on TTH with the cover!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 18 2019, 09:31 PM

Is that worse than Nelly Furtado?!

No new album then

Posted by: Jack Aug 18 2019, 09:48 PM

This might be the last we hear of her in a while I think

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 18 2019, 09:52 PM

It might even be the end.

Posted by: Jack Aug 18 2019, 10:06 PM

I imagine they'll try with Harley's In Hawaii considering that's got a video apparently.

Then she may try and release a collab with Taylor potentially as one last try to get another hit?

Posted by: Wall Aug 18 2019, 10:09 PM

They moved on from never really over too fast tbh, if she promoted in US, this would have been a top 5 hit in the US

Posted by: 365 Aug 18 2019, 10:17 PM

Harley's is out in Oct x

Posted by: Jack Aug 18 2019, 10:27 PM

True, I can't believe how slow their chart works. The likes of 'Sunflower' and 'Without Me' are STILL doing well

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 18 2019, 10:43 PM

This!

It's just like what are they actually thinking?!

Posted by: HausofTove Aug 19 2019, 09:00 AM

I'm gonna reluctantly say... deserved. I've listened a few times now and it is so nondescript. Album track at best for her standards. Not surprised if this is a gigantic flop and wouldn't be upset about it.

NRO still goes off thankfully so we have that at least!

Posted by: *Tim Aug 19 2019, 09:14 AM

Yeah I deleted this off my playlist l

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 19 2019, 09:26 AM

It's hard to see where she'll go after this, although didn't I read someone say they're not really recording for an album and testing the waters with singles?

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 19 2019, 09:36 AM

100% THIS

I only speed listened to it once and that was enough.

She needed to go all out on NRO ans then Harleys jn Haiwaii in September.

Posted by: 365 Aug 19 2019, 10:22 AM

Yeah it really was a bit of an odd choice of single after gaining back so much momentum with NRO, like, did they really think this could be as big if not better than NRO?

Posted by: Liаm Aug 19 2019, 11:40 AM

Oops at this floppage I really like it, but it's not one of those songs I want to go back to loads like I did with NRO, that was undeniably huge and this just isn't right to follow that as a single it seems, whether you like it or not that's clear.

She is just testing the waters but it's still quite concerning if she's going to flop this badly with a song!

Posted by: SKOB Aug 19 2019, 12:57 PM

Will she become "the new Selena Gomez" who just releases 3 singles and disappears for a year to come back with a lackluster feature?

Posted by: 365 Aug 19 2019, 12:59 PM

Also, I think it's stupidity for her team not to release her music videos straight away. Never Really Over's video views massively helped it debut top 20 (Not to mention it helps sales and streams a bit too) and video views were the reason 365 managed to debut higher than this.

Posted by: 365 Aug 20 2019, 10:25 AM

Oh it actually ended up debuting higher than 365 on Billboard(81), without the official video streams that had, or the radio adds. Smash!

Posted by: Jαsє Aug 20 2019, 02:50 PM

Down to #82 on the UK iTunes and down to #88 on Spotify. I know it's early days but yeah, this isn't gonna do anything is it

Posted by: 365 Aug 20 2019, 02:53 PM

Yeah, Capital are spamming it too...It's not looking good.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 20 2019, 08:44 PM

It’s still a bit soon to fully write it off.

I think it could perform similarly to some of Ellie’s last few singles what went top 40 after a few weeks.

We haven’t had an official video for it yet or any promo.

Maybe this could be her American Oxygen like single though?

The songs not that bad. She’s released much worse. If Swish Swish, Bon Appetit and This Is How We Do can go top 40 this should be able to manage it.

Posted by: *Tim Aug 20 2019, 08:54 PM

SS and BA were great tho

(And also released somewhat in her prime when she still had a lot of hype)

Posted by: 365 Aug 20 2019, 09:02 PM

Yeah I was about to say the same thing ^

It's an uphill battle for Katy now, she needs A+ material otherwise she'll continue to slide. Small Talk I'm sure would have been a cute hit for her 6 years ago when she was in her prime, but it's not good enough at this stage.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 20 2019, 09:48 PM

What exactly is a cute hit :S

Posted by: HausofTove Aug 21 2019, 09:11 AM

Not Small Talk ~

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 21 2019, 10:35 AM

I keep hearing this term around and I've been almost as baffled.

I think it means "minor hit, but not massive". But I'm not 100%.

Posted by: 365 Aug 21 2019, 10:46 AM

Yes, it means something that spends a few weeks top 40/20, but isn't a massive smash. - Think, like 'Boys' or 'after the afterparty' by Charli Xcx

Which this won't be.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 21 2019, 02:07 PM

So it'd be like Swish Swish and Bon Appetit?

Posted by: 365 Aug 21 2019, 02:14 PM

Yeah, pretty much. Something in between really, cos Swish is coming for Plat and Bon was a bit too floppy. More like This Is How We Do or Birthday?

Posted by: casualcruelswift Aug 22 2019, 12:35 AM

I'm baffled by this song's promotion. They gave it number one on TTH, and just released the vertical video a few days ago and have only just serviced it to mainstream radio? And the music video doesn't even have a release date yet? If they really wanted this to be a hit, they should lifted an embargo on release day and gone all out by releasing the video, vertical video, and having it impacted pop radio immediately. It really feels like Capitol wasn't ready for this song's release AT ALL. They should hide this away in a closet and never speak of it again. Or just say it's a buzz single/promotional single. Just... yikes.

Posted by: RobBob Aug 22 2019, 12:41 AM

It's hard work being a Katy stan these days.

Posted by: Nick Jonas Aug 22 2019, 06:11 AM

Now you know how Britney fans feel

Posted by: SKOB Aug 22 2019, 06:23 AM

And Gaga fans after the GLORIOUS G.U.Y flopped on charts.

Posted by: HausofTove Aug 22 2019, 07:53 AM

Debuts at #81 on Hot 100 i-

Posted by: RobBob Aug 22 2019, 08:41 AM

I had to suffer the tanking of the Witness era TOO, this isn’t a fresh feeling! It seems to have been a constant battle for the past 3 years

For someone whose management seemingly couldn’t get it wrong when it came to singles and promotion for a good 3 eras, they’ve really dropped the ball of recent. Granted, I love Bon Appetit more than anything of the last era so it’s hard to be impartial and see why that did so bad but... this is already not standing the test of time, 2 weeks on after they’d done so well building up good will towards her with Never Really Over and returns to her big chorus moments. FRUSTRATING.

Posted by: 365 Aug 22 2019, 08:48 AM

Not doing any promo for NRO or even doing the smallest things like discounting the song in the UK were big mistakes too, I think. The song was holding up so so well and they kinda ignored it.

Posted by: davidas Aug 22 2019, 10:12 AM

This was such a poor song to release. I've been a Katy stan since her first release and this really is a week single. The low chart positions are completely deserved. Let's hope her next release is a big improvement on Small Talk.

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 22 2019, 12:18 PM

I am still loving this.

Hurry with the video pleeeease!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Aug 22 2019, 12:32 PM

Prism. They had no clue what to do with it after Dark Horse. They lost it after that

Posted by: RobBob Aug 22 2019, 02:37 PM

I mean, at least they got a solid era out of it! If a 4th single, well after the album comes out, doesn't smash, it's not the end of the world. This is a pre-album release that's tanking, completely different.

Posted by: Wall Aug 22 2019, 06:01 PM

This is legit my problem, they moved on from it far too quickly especially in the United States, it really could have been a top 10 hit. I think the best thing for them to do is move on from Small Talk because it’s even falling fast down TTH and I can’t see it recovering.

Posted by: Nick Jonas Aug 23 2019, 12:32 PM

It’s climbed a bit today, any reason why?

Posted by: 365 Aug 23 2019, 12:43 PM

Yeah it climbed 50 places cos of her Potty Jam I think. Same think happened briefly with NRO.

Posted by: Jαsє Aug 23 2019, 01:07 PM

Is Potty Jam her only promo these days?

Posted by: 365 Aug 23 2019, 01:21 PM

Imagine if she did real promo

Posted by: Nick Jonas Aug 23 2019, 06:24 PM

What’s Potty Jam?

Posted by: *Tim Aug 24 2019, 07:44 AM

Potty Jam sounds like a childrens show

Posted by: slowdown73 Aug 24 2019, 08:17 AM

I think Witness era pretty much killed her career and it will be tough to recover from that without a few strong singles. Small talk isn’t a great track. It’s fairly forgettable. Most successful artists have 2-3 big albums and then their career fades so Katy has done well to keep in the spot light.

Posted by: Voodoo Aug 24 2019, 08:53 AM

^ I disagree. Small Talk is FANTASTIC!

Don't be too quick to write her off just yet. She needs to reinvent herself, in the same way GaGa has done since ArtFlop crashed & burned.

For starters, I think she should try her hand at acting.

Posted by: Klimawechsel Aug 24 2019, 09:25 AM

Despite the floppage I'm really liking Small Talk still. It's full of hooks, well-produced and builds towards the final chorus. I think the bathroom video really showed off the strength of the song when it was stripped down. Only thing is that it's not second single material and it needed to stand out more compared to the rest of the charts.

Posted by: SKOB Aug 24 2019, 10:14 AM

Putting so much effort on making Small Talk a hit while NRO was still doing very well, played on radio and streamed in good amounts is one of the most bizarre management choices I've seen recently.

She's not huge enough pop star to carry several hits at the same time.

Posted by: Nick Jonas Aug 24 2019, 12:22 PM

What effort has she put into Small Talk? Maybe I missed it? 👀

Posted by: SKOB Aug 24 2019, 01:06 PM

She has posted about it several times on social media
There was a sponsored post on Instagram
It was added on all major playlists on Spotify (most likely Apple Music too)
She played the song live on IGTV just yesterday
The song was sent to radio adds

All it has NOT had so far is promo appearances and music video.

Posted by: Mixxer Aug 25 2019, 01:19 PM

and let's not forget the biggest promo it got - being #1 on the biggest Spotify and AM playlists.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 25 2019, 05:53 PM

Hmm Katy at acting I don’t know it depends on the role.

See with Gaga she’s a better vocalist than what Katy is and a better musician too so ASIB showed a lot of people what he really fans have known for years.

With Katy I think she’d do better acting if it wasn’t anything to do with promoting music. Like she would do good in a romantic comedy or a comedy like film but not necessarily a serious like role.

There’s hope in Katy rebuilding herself but it would take promotion more than anything.

It’s also kind of weird how Gaga and Katy seem to be flavour of the month at opposing times. When the media don’t like Gaga they like Katy and vice versa.

Posted by: Jαsє Aug 27 2019, 06:52 PM

UK

iTunes: #116
Spotify: #154

US

iTunes: #227
Spotify: #167

Christ.

I remember thinking back at the beginning of the summer after I'd first heard NRO that she was properly back and she was gonna have a really successful summer. I feel bad for her.

Posted by: 365 Aug 27 2019, 10:11 PM

The small talk video looks like it could be a Birthday type mess

Posted by: Medellíam Aug 27 2019, 10:14 PM

The 'Birthday' video is a mess but it's a very enjoyable one. Not something you could say about the likes of 'Swish Swish'.

Posted by: Jack Aug 27 2019, 10:14 PM

I'm surprised they're even still trying! As much as I like the song, just bury it under the carpet and try again!

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 27 2019, 10:59 PM

Their problem with this was that they released it too soon I reckon. NRO was just beginning to peak everywhere and they didn't really give that chance to simmer down before pushing this, so I think it's gone under the radar a bit. I reckon if you were to ask people if they'd heard Katy Perry's new one they'd assume you meant NRO.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 28 2019, 02:11 PM

I think more than anything it's obvious this was never destined to catch on regardless.

Posted by: Medellíam Aug 30 2019, 12:35 PM

Premieres at 5pm today.

Posted by: 365 Aug 30 2019, 12:41 PM

Ready for the mess

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Aug 30 2019, 01:06 PM

I hope with a video and a Radio 1 B-listing that it can push for top 40, although at this stage I am quite doubtful.

Posted by: 365 Aug 30 2019, 02:06 PM

Imagine not even discounting it when half the songs on iTunes are discounted lol

Posted by: Medellíam Aug 30 2019, 04:08 PM

I actually really like the video! Nice twist of the lyrics by seeing them from the dog's perspective. It certainly gives a bit more life to the song.

Posted by: 365 Aug 30 2019, 04:12 PM

I don't know why I was expecting such a car crash, it's actually quite cute and well made. And tongue in cheek without being too stupid.

It's better than the song oop!

Posted by: Jonjo Aug 30 2019, 05:35 PM

OMG.

That is the most adorable and heartwarming video ever 😭😭❤❤

DOGS ❤❤ 🐶🐶

Posted by: RobBob Aug 31 2019, 12:41 AM

What an adorable video! So so so cute and not the cringe we could've got from her.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Aug 31 2019, 10:06 AM

This!

Katy’s not powerful enough like Ed or Ariana (just using those as they’ve released quick fire singles in succession this year) at the moment so Small Talks been overshadowed slightly.

Posted by: (Zach) Sep 2 2019, 01:19 AM

I find this song to be a total non-event and a huge disappointment after NRO. A better timed release and more promo wasn't going to save this. On to the next one please.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Sep 2 2019, 08:06 AM

The video is so cute!

The song's still not cutting the mustard for me though.

Posted by: 365 Sep 2 2019, 08:33 AM

Also, who releases videos on Friday nights lol? What a silly time.

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 2 2019, 08:21 PM

Just removed this from my Spotify playlist. Every time it comes on I just skip it tbh so it's now gone

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Sep 7 2019, 04:24 PM

Welp, this is growing on me.

Posted by: Nick Jonas Sep 7 2019, 06:16 PM

Blah, blah, blah

Posted by: dannjohn Sep 14 2019, 02:32 PM

I thought this was a promo single

Posted by: SKOB Sep 14 2019, 03:54 PM

Maybe it was "a buzz single"?

Posted by: 365 Sep 14 2019, 04:28 PM

I think it was just a flop girls.


Onto Harleys (which apparently has Katy's most expensive video ever)

Posted by: Atonement Sep 14 2019, 04:30 PM

Shame she killed the momentum that she had build up with NRO.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 14 2019, 04:59 PM

This.

Posted by: Nick F1 Sep 14 2019, 06:30 PM

NRO was completely wrong choice, that's were she killed her momentum. Not with Small Talk.

Posted by: Jonjo Sep 14 2019, 06:45 PM

The (much) bigger hit was the problem?? Oh Nick!

Posted by: 365 Sep 14 2019, 07:02 PM

I'm confused.

Posted by: SKOB Sep 14 2019, 07:08 PM

NRO did amazing job to lift her UP from whatever mess 365 caused.

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 14 2019, 08:16 PM

Me too

Posted by: 365 Sep 14 2019, 09:11 PM

She's performing this on Ellen next week. Lol

NRO got 0 TV Performances

Posted by: Atonement Sep 14 2019, 09:14 PM

I think NRO is overrated as f*** but this is just a troll thing to say.

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 14 2019, 10:11 PM

Can't she just pretend like this didn't happen and move onto Harleys?

Posted by: Nick F1 Sep 14 2019, 10:11 PM

But NRO never had a moment. Not even close how she used to have it with previous singles.

All her lead single had way bigger moment, and were smash hits.

That's why I said that she didn't ruined it with ST, when NRO failed first.

It has missed top 10 in like all charts (aside Australia and Canada)

Posted by: Jonjo Sep 14 2019, 10:54 PM

You see, I kinda feel like ST happened so soon after NRO that this could potentially happen. I'm sure if you asked the Average Joe what Katy Perry's newest single is 85% would say NRO, 10% "Dunno" and the rest would be ST...

She really needs Harley's to be good. Coz I feel like even though ST has bombed, it hasn't taken away any good will that NRO brought back, yet.

You see I see what you mean, but I don't think it's how it's worked

I feel like NRO, unlike her last few lead singles, had such a massive mountain to climb thanks to how 'Witness' was perceived and how it performed commercially, so I don't think it's fair to compare it as it's such different circumstances. I genuinely thought she'd struggle to get a hit again, but NRO proved that with the right song, the public would be there again. She just needed to follow it up with something just as strong to keep the momentum going.

Posted by: 365 Sep 15 2019, 12:31 AM

You can't compare A female who is 34 now to 10 years ago in their prime imperial phase. NRO did fantastically for this point in her career.

Posted by: dannjohn Sep 15 2019, 07:31 AM

NRO did fine. It didnt really have a buzz about it but still a top 20 single

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 15 2019, 09:40 AM

This.

It's eh. Okay. People reaaally overblow it on here.

Posted by: 365 Sep 15 2019, 09:42 AM

You literally said 'This' and agreed that Small Talk killed NRO's momentum on the last page.

What.is.the.truth.gif

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 15 2019, 09:49 AM

But I also agree that NRO wasn't massive and was just okay. It still gave her SOME momentum to BUILD ON, but that was it. Snail Talk took it all away.

Posted by: dannjohn Sep 15 2019, 10:11 AM

Well shes performing ST on Ellen next week

Posted by: blacksquare Sep 15 2019, 10:46 AM

Everyone can pretend that NRO wouldn't have absolutely smashed had it followed Prism. It's huge, anthemic, and everything a Katy Perry lead single should be.

She was following the flop of 365, the underperformance of Witness, the entire Katy Perry is over narrative, her age — and yet it managed to do pretty decently with very little promotion outside of the release date.

Posted by: blacksquare Sep 15 2019, 10:48 AM

Small Talk has killed that momentum — a terrible choice — and it feels like she's back to square one.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 15 2019, 10:56 AM

She is back to square one ... unless people completely bypassed ST and forgot that it existed...

This is why sometimes it'a good when an atrocious album flops, as people forget about it and remember the last good one. Artpop and Joannr are TEEERRRRIBLE, but no one bought them. Now people just remember Shallow Album and it puts GaGa in a great position. If people just remembrr NRO, she still has some momentum. If they remember ST, she doesn't have any. Radio might even have forgotten sT tbh as it still plays NRO too.

Posted by: 365 Sep 15 2019, 01:17 PM

Heart is spamming NRO, and keeping it top 60 on iTunes all this time later. They don't know about Small Talk.

Posted by: SKOB Sep 15 2019, 03:25 PM

What is this shit about her age though? Pink is 40 and still getting hits and #1 albums. Beyonce is a huge icon at the age of 38. Gaga is just year younger and had a #1 hit both sides of the Atlantic with Shallow. Sia's hits are among the most streamed of all time and she's 43.

It's not about her AGE, it's about her career has developed on recent years.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 15 2019, 05:10 PM

It's how it started to develop with Prism.

THEY HAD WALKING ON AIR AND LEGENDARY LOVERS!!

They then thought Witness and Rise would be moments!!

Posted by: blacksquare Sep 15 2019, 05:34 PM

It’s not just about her age — there are other contributing factors (bigger ones), but it’s hard to suggest that it doesn’t make things more difficult. She’s a mid-thirties popstar who is over a decade into her career, so bouncing back from an underperforming album and flop collaboration isn’t as easy. She wasn’t just going to become a streaming force without a lot of effort.

Posted by: SKOB Sep 15 2019, 06:23 PM

Yes but anyone with a decade in the biz has to face ups and downs at some point. No one is immune to that. Even Drake has had singles that has underperformed but he has bounced back. It's about reinvention and quality. Katy reached #1 just two years ago with Feels, she just needs to find a new path, these mediocre pop hits are not it. If you look at streaming charts, literally NO ONE would be successful with a song like Small Talk.

Posted by: Voodoo Sep 20 2019, 10:44 AM

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 20 2019, 11:16 AM

This.

Posted by: Mikal Sep 20 2019, 02:28 PM

I'm not a huge NRO fan but it did as well as a Katy single could do coming off the back of a really poor era. She was never going to smash out the gate or even close.

This was dead on arrival because it's rubbish that's all there is to it, no one could make this a hit.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 20 2019, 02:58 PM

And if they chose this over Harleys in Hawaii, which already has a teeerrible titls, imagine how bad that must be :/

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 21 2019, 11:20 AM

"Her latest hit"

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 21 2019, 11:35 AM

Spot on!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 21 2019, 11:43 AM

Why is she still flogging this?! More evidence her team sucks. Just switch back to performing NRO! Why give Small Talk loads of promo and NRO none? Her team is clueless.

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 21 2019, 12:01 PM

I often wonder how well NRO would have done with a good amount of promo. Such a missed opportunity because it should have been a mega hit for her

Posted by: 365 Sep 21 2019, 02:37 PM

I reckon it would have managed a few more weeks top 20 in the US, top 10 if radio was kinder. If she did promo in the UK it would have been an EASY top 10. Still shocked they never discounted it on one of the weeks it was just outside the top 10. Surely the biggest missed opportunity of her career?

Posted by: SKOB Sep 21 2019, 03:30 PM

OMG that performance

She must look at this song and outfit and everything in five years time and say "yeah..."

But every one of us has ups and downs so keep going Katy!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Sep 22 2019, 11:23 AM

I find it really hard to see her recovering from this.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 22 2019, 11:44 AM

This.

And lest we forget, her next song is Harleys in Hawaii

Her career went from 2008 - 2019. That's not bad. It's not excellent, but she lasted longer than Cheryl. She's the new Britney.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Sep 22 2019, 05:43 PM

In the UK she’s more Christina Aguilera id say in terms of her career.

But she still has a career she’s still a top tier female in my opinion.

She could get a gold selling album at least if it was genuinely good.

Album in 2020 or 2021 could be a good idea for her. I think she should throw as many singles out there as she can see what kind of things stick and then build the album upon that.

Posted by: Jordan Lee Sep 22 2019, 05:48 PM

Her vocals are actually ok on this!

Live performances esp the vocals side of things are her biggest weakness for me but that was pretty good for a Katy live vocal.

The outfit though!!

I still don’t think Small Talk is that bad though tbh. She’s released much worse stuff what’s done a lot better. I can see why it hasn’t taken off in the charts but I think some people are basing their opinion of the track on its performance.

Posted by: Wall Sep 22 2019, 06:14 PM

Good performance but the song is dead

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef Sep 22 2019, 06:46 PM

Preach! 100% this.

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 22 2019, 10:53 PM

US: Not top 100 on iTunes, not top 200 on Spotify
UK: Not top 100 on iTunes, not top 200 on Spotify

Disaster doesn't even begin to cover this

Posted by: Jαsє Sep 26 2019, 09:49 PM

edit - maybe not!

Posted by: Voodoo Sep 28 2019, 02:47 PM

Posted by: SKOB Sep 28 2019, 07:03 PM

Omg all this effort

Posted by: 365 Sep 29 2019, 05:34 PM

The vertical video is from the release week. They all end up on YouTube eventually. I think even Katy gave up now.

Posted by: Juan Carlos Oct 9 2019, 02:23 AM

A double-single release on vinyl of this alongside "Never Really Over" will be out on November 29.