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Posted by: danG Jun 24 2018, 08:43 PM

ACR FAQs

What is ACR and when does it happen?
To help freshen the chart the OCC introduced the 'accelerated chart ratio' (ACR). This affects the ratio at which its streams are converted into sales. After a song has been in the chart for at least nine weeks, and has been in decline for three weeks in a row, its streaming points are effectively cut in half (its premium ratio will decrease from 1:100 to 1:200, and its ad-funded ratio likewise from 1:600 to 1:1200). A song can therefore be on ACR as early as week ten, although any song older than 3 years is automatically on ACR permanently, regardless of how long it has spent in the chart (except in specific circumstances). A song not on ACR is considered to be on SCR ('standard chart ratio'). ACR rules were first introduced in July 2017.

Can a song on ACR get back onto SCR?
Yes. A song on ACR can be reset to SCR if it experiences an increase in streams 25% greater than the market change week on week, provided it is within 3 years of its release. The song will be reset on the week it experiences the increase.

New rule: Any song (excluding Christmas songs) older than 3 years may be automatically reset under the same circumstances if the track has not charted in the Top 100 singles chart within the past 3 years.

In exceptional circumstances a record label may request a manual reset to SCR. Manual reset shall be strictly subject to Official Charts and CSC approval. If the label have any good reason for resetting the track (such as the release of a music video or it getting TikTok vitality), it will get one.

But won't a load of songs get resets in January once people stop listening to Christmas songs?
The OCC changed the rules from 2021 regarding January resets. What has happened in previous years is songs that have peaked long ago, but still fall within 3 years of release, got resets due to the year-end effect. One example of this in 2020 was Ed Sheeran's Perfect (which infamously continued to avoid ACR for over half the year, until it reached 3 years since it had its official single push and thus fell foul of that rule). To avoid this, the ACR automatic reset process is paused for the Xmas–NewYear transition, and the OCC invite labels to nominate tracks they wish to continue to promote and thus give a reset to. For example in 2021, manual resets caused Dua Lipa's 'Levitating' to re-peak at #5, Tate McCrae's 'You Broke Me First' to return to the top 10, amongst other re-entries in the top 40.

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Other Chart Rules FAQs

What's this I hear about Thursday streams not counting to the chart?
The OCC estimate streams from Thursday from services that do not provide their information in a timely enough manner. This is done in the interest in publishing the chart on a Friday evening to represent the previous seven days of sales and streaming. It is typically the case that, from the major platforms, Amazon do report on time, yet YouTube, Apple Music and Spotify do not - so their streams from Thursday are accounted for by an estimate. The estimate is based upon using a machine learning algorithm the OCC use that takes into account streaming trends. The exact details of how this algorithm works are not given to the general public. It is however safe to say that it is not done by way of a simple average of the previous six days' streams.

In the majority of cases, the estimate is fairly accurate. However if a major artist released on a Thursday, none of their streams for that day would count. Likewise if a major event happens that gives a boost to songs on a Thursday, such as Christmas Day, that may not be reflected accurately in the chart (though we'll never truly know to what extent).

Are signed CD singles no longer chart eligible?
No. As per the OCC: Any pre-signed or personalised physical product will not be eligible for inclusion in the chart (i.e. products featuring artist's signature, initial, autograph, writings, doodles and drawings made by artist in any part of physical product prior to sale and/or any other feature that makes the product unique such as numbering).

Are music video streams now counting towards the official chart?
Yes. They have done since July 2018. This includes official music videos from services such as YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music and Tidal. Unofficial or user-generated content featuring music will not count towards the chart. These typically don't impact the chart as much as audio streaming services as the majority of video streams are by people using YouTube as a free service.

Is an ad-funded (free) stream worth the same as a premium (paid-for) stream?
No. From July 2018, ratios depend on the kind of stream a song is getting. An ad-funded stream will count towards the chart at a standard ratio of 1:600, i.e. 600 ad-funded streams is deemed to be equal to one sale. A 'premium' stream (generated by a user who is paying for a subscription) will count at a standard ratio of 1:100.

Is an audio stream worth the same as a video stream?
Yes. Audio and video streams will count at the same rate, depending on whether they are premium or ad-funded.

How many tracks can an artist have chart at any one time?
Three, as a lead artist. The cap was introduced in July 2017, mostly as a response to the controversy surrounding Ed Sheeran having 16 tracks in the top 20 at once. An artist can have as many additional songs chart as possible as a featured artist, or if they are part of a group (e.g. Kanye West and Kids See Ghosts had multiple tracks in the same chart in 2018).

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Introducing of Streaming FAQs

So, what is streaming anyway?
Streaming is essentially the transmission of sound through a web network. It can refer to simple audio clips on websites for example, but in the context of this thread, it means playing a song, music video or album through a web service such as Spotify or YouTube. It also now refers to both audio and video streaming.

Where can I stream songs?
There are numerous different places to stream music. The main service used for audio streaming is Spotify, which takes up the vast majority of the market. Apple Music and Amazon Music also now make up a significant part of the market. For video streaming, the main service used is YouTube. Other services are Deezer, Tidal, Napster, O2 Tracks, Xbox Music, Google Play, Sony's Music Unlimited and rara, some of which are starting to do video streaming as well but are mostly for audio streaming.

Since when did it count to the singles chart?
From July 2014, audio streaming has been combined with download and physical sales to make up 'chart sales' which determine the Official Singles Chart. From July 2018, video streaming will also count towards a song's 'chart sales'.

What difference does this make to the official chart?
Streaming has made a huge impact on the official chart so far, and that's why it's so divisive. Typically speaking, it favours big hits over new songs, which take longer to build up. This means that new songs may be at a disadvantage to enter at #1, or the top 10, and therefore end up with a lower peak. Union J's You Got It All was #1 on sales at the end of 2014, but got knocked down to #2 due to far superior streaming from Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud. This made it the first song to miss #1 despite being the biggest seller of the week. Other songs to have lost out on the top spot due to streaming include Nick Jonas' Jealous, Sigma's Glitterball and Deorro's Five More Hours. The first song to be #1 officially without ever topping the sales chart was Justin Bieber's Sorry, which spent two weeks at #1 in November 2015 but was at #2 behind Adele's Hello on sales both weeks.

But wait, can't I just put a song on repeat and help it climb the chart?
No, only 10 streams count per user per day on any streaming service. For example, I could listen to Justin Bieber's Love Yourself 20 times on Spotify and 20 times on Apple Music today, but only the first 10 from Spotify and the first 10 from Apple Music will count.

On a similar note, you must listen to at least 30 seconds of the song for it to count. You cannot just press play and then skip it 9 further times to total 10 plays!

OK, so how does it work for albums then?
It's slightly different for albums. Streaming has been included amongst physical and digital sales since February 2015. Firstly, each stream is 0.001 sales this time, meaning that 1 sale is equal to 1000 streams (not 100). This means that sales have even more precedence in the album chart.



The top 12 most streamed tracks are taken from an album. The top 2 songs will be downweighted, to the average of the other 10 songs. This is to combat an album being artificially boosted by one or two hit singles. The total of these songs is then added together and divided by 1000 to give a streaming total for the album.

The OCC said of this method: "The reason for the down-weighting is to ensure that if an album features up to two runaway hit singles, streams of these tracks do not skew the performance of their parent album in the Official Albums Chart. Extreme examples of this include huge hits such as Blurred Lines on the Robin Thicke album of the same name, Get Lucky on Daft Punk’s Random Access Memories, All Of Me on John Legend’s album Love In The Future, or Uptown Funk on Mark Ronson’s Uptown Special - but this is also a broader issue affecting many more albums."



Otherwise, the same rules apply. Only 10 plays per user per day, and 30 seconds of each track must be heard.

Does streaming have a big effect on the album chart?
Yes. Certain albums that get little to no streaming will be knocked down considerably in the chart if they've sold very few copies, but an album can still get a good chart position without being particularly streaming friendly if the artist has a big enough fanbase who will buy the album. On the other hand, albums by streaming friendly artists will be helped considerably by streaming equivalent sales (this usually benefits hip-hop and rap artists), which could even get them the #1 position over an album that has sold more downloads and CDs. Streaming also largely benefits legacy albums and greatest hits compilations.

FAQs written by Dan/Joseph

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Reference

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=195261
http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202072
http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=213086

Posted by: Gambo Jun 27 2018, 08:21 AM

A very timely - and handy - reference tool Dan, that clearly-explains the situation with streaming integration into the main charts clearly and concisely.

Only one extremely minor error - it's been announced video streams will count from W/C 6th July, not "W/E" (the W/E date will of course be 12th July).

Posted by: danG Jun 27 2018, 08:43 AM

thanks, I had to guess because it wasn't made clear whether 6 July was a week ending date or not. I thought it would start this week but seemingly it'll be next week.

Posted by: Doctor Blind Jun 27 2018, 10:17 AM

Thanks Dan and Joesph for this, very helpful!

Do we know if video streaming will have some component towards the album chart (as part of the 12 most-streamed tracks off an album formula) ?

Posted by: JosephAvery Jun 29 2018, 03:18 PM

QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 27 2018, 11:17 AM) *
Thanks Dan and Joesph for this, very helpful!

Do we know if video streaming will have some component towards the album chart (as part of the 12 most-streamed tracks off an album formula) ?

The album chart isn't changing apparently!

Posted by: GTH Jun 30 2018, 09:26 PM

QUOTE(JosephAvery @ Jun 29 2018, 04:18 PM) *
The album chart isn't changing apparently!


I definitely think that is the right decision in this case. Videos are very much a singles orientated form of music consumption, so not a good representation for how well an album is doing commercially.

Really useful thread, I hadn't previously noticed the 12 track rule for albums. Definitely a good thing when you look at albums like Drake's which has double the number of tracks, what would be a huge streaming advantage over acts like Florence, if streams from all tracks contributed.

Posted by: Martyn Jun 30 2018, 09:46 PM

I have a question which I’ve asked before but can never find my answer.

Why do some soundtracks count towards the artist album chart and some only count to the compilation chart?

Posted by: danG Jun 30 2018, 10:35 PM

Depends if it's recorded by the cast for the film (ie The Greatest Showman, Moana, counts for the albums chart) or if it's just a collection of songs by various artists that aren't in the film (ie Black Panther, Fifty Shades Of Grey, counts for the compilations chart).

Basically all the musicals and Disney kids films go to the album chart and the rest don't.

Posted by: danG Jul 2 2018, 01:29 PM

based on today's chart update it seems the new rules won't be coming into effect this week then. either that or it's made no noticeable difference.

Posted by: danG Jul 2 2018, 03:35 PM

Ah so there is missing YouTube data in the mid update but YouTube is supposedly counting this week, that makes sense.

Posted by: Spiceboy Aug 16 2018, 12:14 AM

I'm guessing you have to have a Youtube account to count towards the charts?

Posted by: pes Nov 1 2018, 12:05 AM

A curiosity I know only 10 plays counts towards the chart but can
you listen to a song 100 times per day and that will counts on the total sales and plays for a song???

Posted by: lewistgreen Nov 1 2018, 12:11 AM

Nope it's capped at 10 plays for each listener so anything after that does not count.

Posted by: pes Nov 1 2018, 12:12 AM

QUOTE(lewistgreen @ Nov 1 2018, 02:11 AM) *
Nope it's capped at 10 plays for each listener so anything after that does not count.

Ok thankss

Posted by: SmileyKylie Nov 19 2018, 09:55 PM

Do live recordings count towards the singles chart?

For example Jack Savoretti is releasing instant grat Music Too Sad on Friday for his album released in March. The song is a live version from Venice with Kylie. Will it be added to sales of the original single for chart purposes?

Posted by: Bré Nov 20 2018, 12:53 PM

If it's credited the same way it should count to the same song. It's still not going to even be close to the top 100 though so it hardly matters xx

Posted by: SmileyKylie Nov 21 2018, 11:05 AM

lets see.....

Posted by: ben08 Jul 15 2019, 04:13 PM

So when are the 150:1 and 300:1 ratios used?
And what ratio is used for all-time sales?

Posted by: Sailor Steve Jul 15 2019, 04:15 PM

QUOTE(ben08 @ Jul 15 2019, 05:13 PM) *
So when are the 150:1 and 300:1 ratios used?
And what ratio is used for all-time sales?

Those ratios are not used.

All-time sales are applied using the SCR ratios - 100:1 for premium streams and 600:1 for ad-funded (free) streams.

Posted by: Bristolmans Jul 16 2019, 03:41 PM

Can anyone tell me how many songs from an album does it take to count for the whole album, can you skip songs you don't like and how long of the song do you have to listen to for it count?

I'm hoping I've made sense

Posted by: danG Jul 16 2019, 03:44 PM

QUOTE(Bristolmans @ Jul 16 2019, 04:41 PM) *
Can anyone tell me how many songs from an album does it take to count for the whole album, can you skip songs you don't like and how long of the song do you have to listen to for it count?

I'm hoping I've made sense

even just one song of an album counts for a tiny fraction of an album sale (as well as a bigger fraction of a single sale), you don't have to listen the whole album, and it counts after 30 seconds.

Posted by: Mack. Jul 17 2019, 11:12 PM

Just to ask if the fourth most streamed song started to stream more than the third most streamed song from an album but the third most streamed song was already in the chart update. Which one would chart?

Posted by: Sailor Steve Jul 18 2019, 05:56 AM

If the fourth most streamed increased enough to move into third place, that would chart!

Posted by: isanka Dec 18 2019, 12:06 PM

How can they split Singles streaming sales from an album track with album sales?
Doas a song count twice, 1 time as Single sale & 1 time as album sale?

Posted by: dancember Dec 18 2019, 12:14 PM

unfortunately yes, if you stream an album track (or a single not in the album's Top 2 most popular songs which get downweighted) it counts as 1/100th of a single sale and 1/1000th of an album sale.

Posted by: isanka Dec 18 2019, 12:22 PM

1/100th = about 0,10£
How does this little amount can count as 1 sale? because download = 0,99£

Posted by: DanChartFan Jan 7 2020, 09:15 AM

QUOTE(isanka @ Dec 18 2019, 12:22 PM) *
1/100th = about 0,10£
How does this little amount can count as 1 sale? because download = 0,99£


Firstly I'm not sure where you get the 10 pence figure for one stream of a track from (I assume that's what you mean), as streaming a single track once will earn the record company/artist etc far less than 10 pence. Secondly the 1/100 is the fraction of one sale that it counts as (i.e. they need 100 of those 1/100ths to be able to count as one sale) so it is not counting as one sale.

Posted by: jszmiles Jan 7 2020, 09:45 AM

I know this has been discussed many times before but it still buggs me so.... I am wondering how they count streams to albums "sales". This week both Queen greatest hits were inside top 40 (#12 and #24), track list is pretty similar on both albums. So I wonder, if someone stream those tracks which are on both albums, where those streams are added to?

Posted by: JosephStyles Jan 7 2020, 09:37 PM

QUOTE(jszmiles @ Jan 7 2020, 09:45 AM) *
I know this has been discussed many times before but it still buggs me so.... I am wondering how they count streams to albums "sales". This week both Queen greatest hits were inside top 40 (#12 and #24), track list is pretty similar on both albums. So I wonder, if someone stream those tracks which are on both albums, where those streams are added to?

The one with the highest pure sales.

Posted by: davidas Jan 14 2020, 11:12 AM

Can someone explain to me why soundtracks are no longer included in the album charts? Weird that Greatest Showman and ASIB have suddently vanished huh.gif

Posted by: Bjork Jan 14 2020, 11:18 AM

the occ changed the rules again and now cast recording are considered compilations so cannot chart in the main album charts

Posted by: Angel F. Jul 27 2020, 01:01 PM

Can someone tell me if there is another way to purchase a song other than iTunes and counts towards OCC? Do they count any other services?

Posted by: Suedehead2 Jul 27 2020, 01:04 PM

QUOTE(Angel F. @ Jul 27 2020, 02:01 PM) *
Can someone tell me if there is another way to purchase a song other than iTunes and counts towards OCC? Do they count any other services?

Sales from any legitimate UK site (generally including an artist's own website) will count.

Posted by: Angel F. Jul 27 2020, 01:06 PM

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jul 27 2020, 04:04 PM) *
Sales from any legitimate UK site (generally including an artist's own website) will count.


Do they count Amazon and Google Play for example?

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 27 2020, 01:21 PM

Yup!

Posted by: Boomie Aug 20 2020, 05:37 PM

Does anyone here know whether or not the 10 streams cap has been changed or if it’s still the same? It’s not listed on the Official Rules document and I saw someone on Twitter say that they asked and it couldn’t be confirmed.

Posted by: dan-G Aug 20 2020, 05:47 PM

I don't see why they'd change that particular rule, or there'd be nothing stopping Stans and labels from streaming 24/7 to inflate sales. I certainly haven't heard anything about that rule being changed anyhow.

Posted by: j80 Feb 11 2021, 10:41 AM

Sorry if I've missed an answer to this - I've been trying to find one.

"Official Charts will take the 12 most streamed tracks from the standard version of the album, the top two songs will be down-weighted in line with the average of the rest."

Why does it specify standard version of the album? Does this mean if, say, the standard version has 10 tracks and the deluxe 12, those extra two songs do not count toward album sales?

Posted by: dan :: G Feb 11 2021, 11:24 AM

that’s just taken from what they said at the time, in actuality it appears that those two deluxe tracks on your example would count toward album sales, there have been a few recent examples of deluxe editions having a clear boost for albums such as The Kid Laroi and Pop Smoke which are getting most of their sales from streaming units. they must’ve quietly changed that rule. I’ll go and reword it in the OP now its on my mind.

Posted by: j80 Feb 11 2021, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(dan :: G @ Feb 11 2021, 11:24 AM) *
that’s just taken from what they said at the time, in actuality it appears that those two deluxe tracks on your example would count toward album sales, there have been a few recent examples of deluxe editions having a clear boost for albums such as The Kid Laroi and Pop Smoke which are getting most of their sales from streaming units. they must’ve quietly changed that rule. I’ll go and reword it in the OP now its on my mind.

Thanks for clarifying - I was lost on that one. Says a lot that you need basically need a degree in it to understand the chart rules these days.

Posted by: dan :: G Feb 11 2021, 11:31 AM

haha and that’s exactly why this thread is pinned tongue.gif I’m really not sure if that standard edition rule ever was followed tbh.

Posted by: Bjork Feb 11 2021, 12:00 PM

not sure if the rule was different before, but right now, tracks from deluxe albums count as well as regular tracks, it's clearly stated on the rules:

Qualifying Tracks
In all cases, qualifying tracks will be those from any registered album format track listing. In the event where a release has both standard and deluxe versions, the track listings will be aggregated and de-duplicated to create the qualifying track listing. Where a track(s) from an album have registered zero streams, those tracks will not be utilised in calculating the average stream count for the neutralised tracks.

Posted by: Angelo1985 Mar 18 2021, 01:10 PM

HELLO!
I wrote these words, hopin' 4 an explanation about UK charts.
Is there any chance 4 the lovely band KEANE to come back in Album/Singles Top100?
Why every single from Strangeland era and beyond not charted in Top100? And what about EP'S?
I saw on UKItunes that Live in Asuncion and other singles from C&E charted in Top30 and Top40, but hey, not even in #100 place in UK chart! How is possible?
What numbers they need to entry in #100 place?
What numbers do "Rumors" album, "GH" by Queen, "UC" by Whitney Houston or other milestones to stay always in chart after 40 years that a live EP or a new single don't!
You answer me "they are classics", ok! But what about SOWK or EC, aren't classics? They never charted again!
I truly hope for an entry, really, just in #100 place 4 this next Largo live EP, but truly I don't know how is possible being outside in 100 spots 4 them, 100 spots; not 10 or 20, I say 100!
🙁

Posted by: Tafty³³³ Jul 8 2021, 09:01 AM

Unless I've missed it (I think I may have laugh.gif) could we have an explanation about Thursdays streams and how they're counted towards the UK chart? I keep forgetting what it is and I can't remember the topic Joseph told me v recently about it laugh.gif + someone asked in another thread. Just think it'd be good for it to be included in this thread.

Posted by: dan::G Jul 8 2021, 03:59 PM

That's a good suggestion. I've wrote a little something in the OP now.

Posted by: chartfridays Aug 21 2021, 09:49 AM

If you can buy Visiting Hours for 0.99 on amazon and stream it on Spotify, why are people talking about it not being an official single given it's bound to fly into the chart?

Posted by: Bré Aug 21 2021, 10:25 AM

It's a promotional single (i.e. a song put out 'for the fans' / to build hype for the album that isn't going to be pushed as much as a full single would be). That doesn't mean it doesn't get released / can't chart.

(To use a more dated term it's an 'instant grat', which refers to album tracks that are downloaded early if you pre-order the digital album, though they can also just be downloaded on their own and of course with the advent of streaming this is a pretty redundant concept these days except for whatever small amount of holdouts there are who still only use iTunes downloads for music)

Posted by: steve201 Aug 21 2021, 01:49 PM

And can also be on the Radio 2 playlist now as well 😜

Posted by: Colm Aug 25 2021, 01:07 PM

What do you think the chances of a re-calculation of
streams to chart sales when the all time top 10 starts to look too weighted towards modern songs?

Zero chance?

Posted by: dan:G Aug 25 2021, 01:19 PM

pretty much zero chance I'd say. they don't even seem to bother with articles/updates about the combined all time chart just cos it's really comparing apples with oranges now.

Posted by: Colm Aug 26 2021, 07:54 AM

That's true. Maybe as artefact there's no point in it any more.

Posted by: j80 Aug 26 2021, 02:50 PM

Question - Killers latest album Pressure Machine is available on streaming and digital download as both a standard version and an ‘abridged’ version. The standard version has these little interviews or ‘interstitials’ before most tracks. So it’s longer, and the tracks have different durations between the two versions.

Can anyone confirm these two will definitely be combined in the U.K. albums chart and total sales?

Posted by: chartfridays Aug 28 2021, 07:48 AM

What's the situation with Bad Habits, does it get a fresh 9 weeks from the date of the remix (12 August 2021) or will it go back on ACR if it declines in streams anyway?

Posted by: Bjork Aug 28 2021, 07:52 AM

^check here:
http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=248315

Posted by: Bré Aug 28 2021, 06:24 PM

QUOTE(chartfridays @ Aug 28 2021, 08:48 AM) *
What's the situation with Bad Habits, does it get a fresh 9 weeks from the date of the remix (12 August 2021) or will it go back on ACR if it declines in streams anyway?


I don't think there is any situation in which any song gets a 'fresh 9 weeks', being reset to SCR only resets the 3 week decline timer. In this case as 'Bad Habits' had an increase in week 8 that means that the earliest it can go to ACR is in week 12 (assuming it declines in weeks 9, 10 and 11).

Posted by: Yousee Oct 28 2021, 06:17 AM

Not sure if this has been covered already:
What are the rules regarding Greatest Hits albums?
For example, Little Mix are releasing a Greatest Hits album in 2 weeks. It will contain 4 brand new tracks. Three songs from the album (different from the four brand new ones of course) are currently on the charts and are expected to still be on the charts by release week. All three are likely to be on ACR then (one already is), and two out of the three are features. One out of the three is already in Ann-Marie's Therapy album.
When this Greatest Hits album gets released, I expect the brand new songs will be streamed the most. But I understand the rule to be that only 3 songs from an album are allowed to chart. Would that mean that if the new songs are streamed the most, the ones already on the charts will disappear? What about the song with Ann-Marie which already belongs in another album?
Or am I making a simple rule unnecessarily complex, and it's simply a case of the top three most-streamed charting, thus pushing away other songs in the album already on the charts irrespective of their history/being part of another album?
Please let me know, anyone who has answers. TIA.

Posted by: Bjork Oct 28 2021, 06:38 AM

The rule is 3 songs per artist but the OCC doesn't apply it very strictly or consistently
So basically if you're not the lead in a song, it doesn't count for your top 3

So I guess they can have 3 tracks from the GH + Heartbreak anthem + Kiss My
cos they're not the head artist in those two

But it's something very arbitrary

Posted by: Yousee Oct 28 2021, 12:30 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Oct 28 2021, 07:38 AM) *
The rule is 3 songs per artist but the OCC doesn't apply it very strictly or consistently
So basically if you're not the lead in a song, it doesn't count for your top 3

So I guess they can have 3 tracks from the GH + Heartbreak anthem + Kiss My
cos they're not the head artist in those two

But it's something very arbitrary


Oh ok thank you!

Posted by: Yousee Oct 28 2021, 12:34 PM

If a song has five remixes, does the maximum of 10 streams per account apply to each of them (making a max of 50 per account), or are they all counted as one (so that 10 streams of the main version from an account makes subsequent streams of the remixes from same account uncounted)?

Posted by: music21 Nov 19 2021, 10:50 PM

It's been mentioned that only 10 streams count per user per day on a streaming service. Is there a similar rule regarding sales and downloads? If a rich person decided to buy/download thousands of copies of their favourite song one week, in the hope of getting it to number one, would it work?

Posted by: steve201 Nov 22 2021, 09:19 PM

You can only download a song once from each provider unless he buys loads of physicals but there was ways of stopping that back in the day I think!

Posted by: elincomprendido Feb 9 2022, 06:29 AM

Hi!

What's the criteria for crediting artists on a remix? Cause for example Ariana was never credited on Save Your Tears or DaBaby was never credited on Levitating. Meanwhile Ed Sheeran was credited for Peru. The 3 songs charted before the remix release date but only Peru got the credits changed after it.

My theory is that once the song enters the Top 40 the credits can't be changed but idk, I say this just cause I know OOCC loves the Top 40 and it matches the situation but I would love to know if there was ever an official statement regarding it.

Posted by: Brer Feb 9 2022, 12:56 PM

The credit for 'Goosebumps' was changed from HVME to Travis Scott & HVME partway through its run (although strangely it appears they have retroactively added Travis to the credits for the earlier weeks in the archive now which they have not done for 'Peru').

Fairly certain it's just up to the label whether they bother to ask for credits to be changed or not, it's just that they don't most of the time.

Posted by: Bjork Feb 9 2022, 01:11 PM

I disagree
Sure some label would have asked in the last 4 years
Like Beyonce for Savage

Its just that Ed has the Occ wrapped around his finger
Just like the Brits 😂

Posted by: Brer Feb 9 2022, 02:35 PM

Are you just going to ignore the example I gave that has nothing at all to do with Ed xx

Posted by: The Kid JOSEPH Feb 9 2022, 07:05 PM

Despacito's credit was changed a few weeks into its run to include Justin Bieber, and Maroon 5's Girls Like You credit was changed midweek to include Cardi B (the early mids didn't include her).

The OCC use whatever credit the labels give them, this was confirmed in Music Week, but obviously it fits someone's narrative better for the OCC and Ed to be in cahoots lol

Posted by: Dj Cheeky Magpie Feb 10 2022, 03:07 PM

Just album chart pray get new rules clog up old album and greatest hits

Posted by: Saaranghaeyo Aug 11 2022, 11:19 AM

Can anyone answer if these retailers count for Official Charts please?

For streams:
- Apple Music. Not listed in the OfficialCharts FAQ under streaming. ""To date, the services contributing span Spotify, Deezer, Napster, O2 Tracks (Musicqubed), rara, Rdio, Blinkbox Music and XBox Music. " - But the website also says it catches 99% of singles sales (presumably including streams), and last month Apple Music was estimated to have up to 20% of the streaming market in the UK.
- Tidal
- Amazon Music

For digital downloads (again, these aren't listed as partners or accounted for in FAQ):
- Tidal
- Qobuz

Thank you!

Posted by: JosephStyles Aug 11 2022, 12:44 PM

^ Yes to all of the above, though I've never heard of Qobuz so I can't say for definite there. You can see the impact Apple, Tidal and Amazon have on the chart through certain songs doing well (Alesso & Zara charting right now proves the case for Apple, Beyoncé's Lemonade tracklisting charting proves Tidal and the Amazon exclusives each Christmas such as Ellie Goulding's River proves Amazon). I assume Tidal downloads will count too if Tidal streaming does.

Posted by: Saaranghaeyo Aug 11 2022, 02:21 PM

Thank you, I'm very grateful for your response! Have a great day!

Posted by: JulianT Dec 21 2022, 11:02 PM

Just wondered if the OCC actually state publicly anywhere that Thursday streams are estimated for platforms that don’t report on time or whether it’s just something Buzzjack has learned through interactions with them? I was challenged on it earlier today and asked to produce evidence. laugh.gif

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 22 2022, 10:18 PM

I think it has been mentioned in Music Week sales reports a few times (though I can't immediately recall any specific example).

Posted by: Saaranghaeyo Jan 7 2023, 08:06 PM

Hello! OCC has posted one article (Jan 2021) about "Specialist #1 Award", including a trophy. I'm not allowed to post a link because I don't have enough posts, but if you google "officialcharts specialist award" you'll see the article I mean.

Can anyone confirm if this "Specialist #1 Award" and trophy apply to all of the charts, including things like Physical Album Sales, Video Streaming, Single Downloads, etc? eg. does Taylor Swift get the main #1 album trophy, and a Specialist #1 Award trophy for Physical Album Sales, another specialist trophy for Album Downloads, etc?

Posted by: GreyAsh Dec 6 2023, 08:26 PM

Going back to the ‘10 streams’ rule - how do we know this to be true?

Spotify counts all the streams of a track (I know - I experimented and found that when a song was getting ~5-20 streams a day, I could increase it to well over 100 by playing it on repeat).

I know OCC doesn’t like to be pinned down to an answer about the maximum number of streams - (I emailed them and they were vague) but if there is a cap of 10 streams, who removes the others? Does Spotify remove them after counting them? Or do they provide OCC with data about who has streamed what?

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