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 18th October 2019, 06:33 AM
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 Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Tones and Iz @ Oct 18 2019, 07:16 AM)  Think about why people are making these suggestions. We’ve never had a vote before that forcibly stripped half the country of rights they would have rather kept. I think it’s really rather callous to laugh about it. We had a free & fair vote - would it have been any different for almost half the country to be forced to stay in an institution against their will? |
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18th October 2019, 06:38 AM
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They lose no rights by staying in.
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18th October 2019, 07:31 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 18 2019, 07:33 AM) We had a free & fair vote - would it have been any different for almost half the country to be forced to stay in an institution against their will? Leave campaigned on the idea that we would get the best ever deal and leaving would be easy. This deal is not it. A slim win should not result in a hard Brexit. Would you have been happy if Remain won with 52% and then adopted the Euro and Schengen? Of course not. There has been no understanding or compromise for essentially half of the country. So, no, it’s not funny. |
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18th October 2019, 07:35 AM
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The deal, if it passes, will only do so due to fatigue.
Insane, really. The notion of getting it done and moving on is ridiculous when this deal all but confirms the Brexit conversation is here for years to come. It’s just the beginning. This post has been edited by blacksquare: 18th October 2019, 07:36 AM |
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18th October 2019, 07:43 AM
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Dominic Raab telling BBC4 that Northern Ireland is getting a great deal because they get to stay in the single market with frictionless trade. You can’t make it up.
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18th October 2019, 07:45 AM
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Oh no everyone in the UK would continue to have amazing employment protections, world leading food and product safety standards and a charter of rights as protected by the ECHR. What a horrid thing to wake up to
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18th October 2019, 07:47 AM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Oct 18 2019, 08:43 AM) Dominic Raab telling BBC4 that Northern Ireland is getting a great deal because they get to stay in the single market with frictionless trade. You can’t make it up. There’s a team of people at SNP HQ popping champagne over these quotes. The campaign materials are just writing themselves |
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18th October 2019, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Oct 18 2019, 01:38 AM) Yeah it was before and the SNP did make plenty of references to it but all the unionists denied it would happen, denied we’d ever leave, denied there could ever be a circumstance where Scotland voted remain and we left because of England. EU membership was one of the big big vote killers for Yes last time because the unionist line was parroted by the media (remembering all but the Sunday Herald was pro-No) and by the No campaign at every single opportunity. It was effective. There’s countless quotes and clips of “The only way to remove Scotland’s EU membership is to vote Yes” And here we are. Fundamental change in circumstances and the electorate was lied to. We should get another say. Clearly Scotland and England want different futures, why tie each other down? Oh yeah! Our oil. Exactly, Ireland is the same but we knew the union was an unequal partnership more than 100 years ago, that's what famine and mass emigration do to your politics. |
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18th October 2019, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 18 2019, 07:04 AM) Going back to Queef's idea of 3-1 country approval for brexit - should London also remain in because they voted strongly against Brexit - after all, its population is roughly the same as Scotland's?  Or for that matter, why not decide whether to Remain or Leave on an individual constituency basis?  Surely Londons populations is many times more than Scotlands?? |
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18th October 2019, 08:08 AM
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18th October 2019, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Oct 18 2019, 08:31 AM) Leave campaigned on the idea that we would get the best ever deal and leaving would be easy. This deal is not it. So they had to compromise, any sensible person would realise & accept that. 
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18th October 2019, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Oct 18 2019, 08:43 AM) Dominic Raab telling BBC4 that Northern Ireland is getting a great deal because they get to stay in the single market with frictionless trade. You can’t make it up. I was about to post exactly the same thing - including the bit about how you couldn't make it up. Naturally, Raab won't put himself in a position where he might be asked some awkward questions about this statement. Similarly, the press won't highlight the utter hypocrisy of the man. |
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18th October 2019, 09:45 AM
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Susie Dent's word of the day is bayard. It is defined as someone with an unshakeable self-confidence that is rooted in ignorance. I wonder if she had anyone in mind.
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18th October 2019, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 18 2019, 08:59 AM) So they had to compromise, any sensible person would realise & accept that. Any sensible person/persons that were negotiating would have been open to compromise from the start rather than drawing lines in the sand and expecting a bloc of 27 to bend over and give the world to one outgoing member. The f*** awful situation we are in now, and the even worse situation we may be in after tomorrow is entirely down to wreckless behaviour on our governments part. The opposite of sensible. |
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18th October 2019, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 18 2019, 09:59 AM) So they had to compromise, any sensible person would realise & accept that. It's not sensible, and you know that. QUOTE(blacksquare @ Oct 18 2019, 08:31 AM) A slim win should not result in a hard Brexit. Would you have been happy if Remain won with 52% and then adopted the Euro and Schengen? |
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18th October 2019, 10:26 AM
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 there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Brexiteers: you gain nothing but a sense of superiority.
Its the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. 'Sovereignity!' 'Make our own laws!' these are all just buzzwords that mean f all. The UK is not self sufficient and the world operates under a global economy. |
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18th October 2019, 10:29 AM
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This doesn't stop no-deal.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this deal pass, and then the government wasting the next year negotiating a free trade agreement but failing (they take longer than a year even with a competent government) and defaulting us into no-deal in January 2021. This post has been edited by blacksquare: 18th October 2019, 10:44 AM |
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18th October 2019, 10:31 AM
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Queen of Soon
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Oct 18 2019, 09:05 AM) Surely Londons populations is many times more than Scotlands?? 8.2m vs 5.5m. So about 50% larger. Scotland has the landmass to support sufficient food production, a truly scary % of the whole of the UKs fresh water supply, produces more power from wind than it can use (before we even think about Hydro, Biomass, Nuclear or fossil fuel) and billions in untapped black gold reserves. Population does not a country make. As an independent nation, Scotland would be around the 115th most populous in the world. Next to Denmark, Finland, Slovakia, Norway, New Zealand and a divided RoI. No one is suggesting these countries can’t be independent or support themselves and none of them (bar our siblings Norway) have the same level of natural resources that we do. |
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18th October 2019, 11:00 AM
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"We would be damaging the fabric of the Union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish Sea that are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement"
Who said that? Someone remind me. Vidcapper, can you remember? And no way is a brexshitter here defending COMPROMISE after screaming 52% is enough for a hard brexshit!! Lord irony just sweeps over their heads. |
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18th October 2019, 11:52 AM
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So less than 5% of the deal has been renegotiated but, if it passes, of course we know who gets all the glory
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