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Andrew. View member profile	Jan 14 2018, 08:41 PM Post #1
is in hibernation Joined: 24 August 2014 Posts: 11,385 User: 21,161	I think the Green Party is the only major (;o) party without a thread I know they technically have three parties across the UK but I’m sure one thread is fine The Greens nationwide are in a bit of a hard place at the moment. Jeremy Corbyn has swallowed up the far left votes, Lib Dem’s the hardcore anti Brexit and sadly climate change/environmental issues are very low down the pecking order in terms of voting reasons it seems, although that may change.


Doctor Blind View member profile	Jan 14 2018, 08:50 PM Post #2
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	YouGov puts 'the environment' at 10th in the ranking of most important issues as ranked by the general public... below Brexit, the NHS, the economy, immigration, housing, defence, education, welfare, and crime. So it's not looking good for the green agenda at the moment.


Silas View member profile	Jan 14 2018, 09:04 PM Post #3
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,077 User: 3,474	They do rather well at Holyrood level thanks to proportional representation, but they're the only reason that Ruth Davidson is no longer a list MSP. If they'd not contested that seat it would not have fallen to the shedevil.


Andrew. View member profile	Jan 14 2018, 09:16 PM Post #4
is in hibernation Joined: 24 August 2014 Posts: 11,385 User: 21,161	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 14 2018, 09:04 PM) They do rather well at Holyrood level thanks to proportional representation, but they're the only reason that Ruth Davidson is no longer a list MSP. If they'd not contested that seat it would not have fallen to the shedevil. Davidson hasn't held a single surgery since her election 20 months ago. If she hadn't won then the Greens would've lost a list seat in Lothian to the tories so it worked in their interests in the end.


Brett-Butler View member profile	Jan 14 2018, 09:32 PM Post #5
Howdy, disco citizens Joined: 16 January 2010 Posts: 12,775 User: 10,455	I demand a tongue-in-cheek title for this General Discussion thread in line with those of the other major parties. I shall designate one by tomorrow if none is forthcoming.


Suedehead2 View member profile	Jan 14 2018, 11:36 PM Post #6
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,655 User: 3,272	Green shoots or Greens shot?


Popchartfreak View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 09:54 AM Post #7
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,812 User: 17,376	Yes, let's all blame parties and people democratically standing which affects the result in a way we don't like... If only the Tories or Labour hadnt stood in Nick Clegg's constituency we might not have ended up with a homophobic misogynist as MP.... See? easy game to play. Any party is perfectly free to enter into an agreement to stand or not to stand in any constituency if it benefits both. Tends not to happen though....


vidcapper View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 09:59 AM Post #8
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 15 2018, 09:54 AM) Yes, let's all blame parties and people democratically standing which affects the result in a way we don't like... If only the Tories or Labour hadnt stood in Nick Clegg's constituency we might not have ended up with a homophobic misogynist as MP.... See? easy game to play. Any party is perfectly free to enter into an agreement to stand or not to stand in any constituency if it benefits both. Tends not to happen though.... Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if we had PR.


Soy Adrián View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 10:27 AM Post #9
I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me Joined: 6 February 2010 Posts: 12,908 User: 10,596	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 15 2018, 09:59 AM) Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if we had PR. Or if the Greens hadn't stood in Hallam in 2015, incidentally.


Silas View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 10:36 AM Post #10
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,077 User: 3,474	QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 15 2018, 09:54 AM) Yes, let's all blame parties and people democratically standing which affects the result in a way we don't like... If only the Tories or Labour hadnt stood in Nick Clegg's constituency we might not have ended up with a homophobic misogynist as MP.... See? easy game to play. Any party is perfectly free to enter into an agreement to stand or not to stand in any constituency if it benefits both. Tends not to happen though.... Actually they only stood in 3 constituency seats in Holyrood. This was calculated targeting of areas they thought would be most friendly to them and that backfired. Their actual electoral strategy was to get in off the list vote of Labour/SNP supporters


vidcapper View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 10:46 AM Post #11
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jan 15 2018, 10:27 AM) Or if the Greens hadn't stood in Hallam in 2015, incidentally. I beg to differ, as in both 2015 & 2017, the Green's vote share was less than the winning margin.


Popchartfreak View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 10:49 AM Post #12
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,812 User: 17,376	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 15 2018, 10:36 AM) Actually they only stood in 3 constituency seats in Holyrood. This was calculated targeting of areas they thought would be most friendly to them and that backfired. Their actual electoral strategy was to get in off the list vote of Labour/SNP supporters in which case it may be case of just desserts with an unfortunate side effect - but one cant criticise or blame any party for challenging any seat it wants to in a democracy, that's the whole basis of our system, regardless of the result. You blame all parties equally for not collectively making the case to voters, or for not agreeing to put up one candidate between them. I agree with Vidcapper about PR, of course. (faints)


Andrew. View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 11:26 AM Post #13
is in hibernation Joined: 24 August 2014 Posts: 11,385 User: 21,161	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 15 2018, 10:36 AM) Actually they only stood in 3 constituency seats in Holyrood. This was calculated targeting of areas they thought would be most friendly to them and that backfired. Their actual electoral strategy was to get in off the list vote of Labour/SNP supporters To be fair, they did very well in Glasgow Kelvin coming second but I doubt they would've done that with a generic green candidate/someone other than Patrick Harvie. QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 15 2018, 10:49 AM) in which case it may be case of just desserts with an unfortunate side effect - but one cant criticise or blame any party for challenging any seat it wants to in a democracy, that's the whole basis of our system, regardless of the result. You blame all parties equally for not collectively making the case to voters, or for not agreeing to put up one candidate between them. I agree with Vidcapper about PR, of course. (faints) I've said it before on here but PR works incredibly in the Scottish Parliament. No party has an overwhelming surplus between vote share and seats.


Soy Adrián View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 11:28 AM Post #14
I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me Joined: 6 February 2010 Posts: 12,908 User: 10,596	One of the many reasons I support STV is that it might stop minor parties from whining.


Andrew. View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 11:31 AM Post #15
is in hibernation Joined: 24 August 2014 Posts: 11,385 User: 21,161	QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jan 15 2018, 11:28 AM) One of the many reasons I support STV is that it might stop minor parties from whining. STV is okay but MPs having to represent even larger areas than they do now? That'll be very unfair on rural areas who's MPs are traveling huge distances as it is, particularly in North East Scotland and the Highlands.


Soy Adrián View member profile	Jan 15 2018, 02:20 PM Post #16
I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me Joined: 6 February 2010 Posts: 12,908 User: 10,596	QUOTE(Andrew. @ Jan 15 2018, 11:31 AM) STV is okay but MPs having to represent even larger areas than they do now? That'll be very unfair on rural areas who's MPs are traveling huge distances as it is, particularly in North East Scotland and the Highlands. There would be multiple MPs representing each area though, and you could have smaller constituencies with fewer MPs in more rural areas.


Doctor Blind View member profile	Mar 7 2021, 10:50 PM Post #17
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	The Green Party membership move motion to support a 15% pay rise for NHS workers: Or alternatively we could, y'know, clap for a bit.