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 20th August 2019, 10:24 AM
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Change UK (or whatever they're called this week) support now at 0%- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...y-a9064186.html
QUOTE “I don’t think I’m being over-optimistic. We have five MPs, but literally every vote counts now and we are now very strong, because the five are as one.” The schadenfreude is strong with this one. |
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19th December 2019, 06:15 PM
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The Independent Group For Changing Names have announced that they will be disbanding.
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19th December 2019, 06:17 PM
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is my brain across your walls?
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What a shame that all zero of their elected representatives will have to find another party...
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19th December 2019, 10:03 PM
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Well that was well worth dividing the remain supporters more.
They got the change they wanted.... This post has been edited by ChristmaSteve201: 19th December 2019, 10:04 PM |
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19th December 2019, 10:25 PM
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Their greatest moment remains voting AGAINST Ken Clarke's Customs Union proposal in indicative votes back in April meaning that it lost by 3, and thus Johnson and the inevitable No-Deal Brexit in late 2020. Well done guys.
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19th December 2019, 10:36 PM
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Why did they do that when the support this policy? Was it because it wasn't full remain which the undemocratically wanted?
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19th December 2019, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(ChristmaSteve201 @ Dec 19 2019, 10:36 PM)  Why did they do that when the support this policy? Was it because it wasn't full remain which the undemocratically wanted? Wanting something is not undemocratic. |
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19th December 2019, 10:49 PM
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It is if they would have undone the vote of 2016 if tHey gained enough support to take power.
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19th December 2019, 10:51 PM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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It's a shame that they're been wound up. Yes, they were terrible in so many ways, and really did nothing to differentiate themselves from other parties or make themselves exciting to voting, but as someone who wants more parties not less, it would have been nice if they blossomed into something that at the very least tread water for a few years. Although of course as we all know FPTP naturally leads to a 2-party system, so it's not going to happen in the next 5 years at least.
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19th December 2019, 10:52 PM
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At least Labour were able to get rid of Mike Gapes.
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19th December 2019, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(ChristmaSteve201 @ Dec 19 2019, 10:49 PM) It is if they would have undone the vote of 2016 if tHey gained enough support to take power. Oh dear. An advisory referendum does not override MPs' obligation to vote for what they believe to be in the interests of the country. Sadly, a lot of MPs have chosen to ignore that part of their code of conduct. |
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19th December 2019, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Dec 19 2019, 10:25 PM) Their greatest moment remains voting AGAINST Ken Clarke's Customs Union proposal in indicative votes back in April meaning that it lost by 3, and thus Johnson and the inevitable No-Deal Brexit in late 2020. Well done guys. It won't be a no deal in Dec 2020 though. Several ministers have said on TV today that it's perfectly possible to get all trade deals done and dusted before then. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris-tmas: 19th December 2019, 10:58 PM |
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20th December 2019, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 19 2019, 10:55 PM) Oh dear. An advisory referendum does not override MPs' obligation to vote for what they believe to be in the interests of the country. Sadly, a lot of MPs have chosen to ignore that part of their code of conduct. That argument was lost last Friday unfort SH. |
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20th December 2019, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris-tmas @ Dec 19 2019, 10:57 PM) It won't be a no deal in Dec 2020 though. Several ministers have said on TV today that it's perfectly possible to get all trade deals done and dusted before then. Would they under any circumstances say the opposite? It's bluster. QUOTE(ChristmaSteve201 @ Dec 20 2019, 12:56 AM) That argument was lost last Friday unfort SH. Where 52% of the voters voted for parties backing another referendum... Besides, it's ludicrous to assign a political stance as undemocratic. The worst deceit that's been pulled over the last few years is that losing sides should not have a voice. That said, because people are now starting to believe the lie of 'undoing democracy' from MPs acting for what they believe is the country's best interests, them not backing the vote is just one of many ways in which they and other opposition MPs screwed up the events of this year. |
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20th December 2019, 02:00 AM
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I really think it's time to let go of this 'it was an advisory referendum!' argument. It's always been extremely disingenuous. Might be technically true but that is absolutely not the way it was presented, it was always 'we will implement what you vote for'. Otherwise they'd never have held it.
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20th December 2019, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE(Michael Bubré @ Dec 20 2019, 02:00 AM) I really think it's time to let go of this 'it was an advisory referendum!' argument. It's always been extremely disingenuous. Might be technically true but that is absolutely not the way it was presented, it was always 'we will implement what you vote for'. I view the referendum itself as extremely disingenuous and believe it never should have been run. I certainly don't think it should be binding MPs. Though for the future it's a technicality under this government, but any MPs that wish to do so should be able to express a pro-remain stance to represent the remain side, now, according to polls, a larger group than the leave side. In the context of 2019, MPs voting against it were right to do so, they were voting against the 'how', not necessarily the concept, but Johnson & co were able to sell that as a betrayal and they should have been more wary of that. My feelings towards it are a lot more complicated than 'it was advisory so ignore it'. |
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20th December 2019, 05:38 AM
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QUOTE(Michael Bubré @ Dec 19 2019, 06:17 PM) What a shame that all zero of their elected representatives will have to find another party...  QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 19 2019, 10:55 PM) Oh dear. An advisory referendum does not override MPs' obligation to vote for what they believe to be in the interests of the country. Nor does it stop the people overriding *that*, and sending them their P45's... |
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20th December 2019, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(ChristmaSteve201 @ Dec 20 2019, 12:56 AM) That argument was lost last Friday unfort SH. It wasn’t. The code of conduct remains the same. |
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20th December 2019, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris-tmas @ Dec 19 2019, 10:57 PM) It won't be a no deal in Dec 2020 though. Several ministers have said on TV today that it's perfectly possible to get all trade deals done and dusted before then. Technically, that’s true. However, it is only likely if one side grants the other more or less everything they ask for. There is no chance of the EU or the USA doing that. |
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20th December 2019, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE(Michael Bubré @ Dec 20 2019, 02:00 AM) I really think it's time to let go of this 'it was an advisory referendum!' argument. It's always been extremely disingenuous. Might be technically true but that is absolutely not the way it was presented, it was always 'we will implement what you vote for'. Otherwise they'd never have held it. If it was meant to be binding, there would have been a threshold to be reached and, possibly, explicit provision for a vote on the deal. If there was no such provision, the Leave side would’ve been under more pressure to have something vaguely resembling a plan. There would definitely have been provision for the result being overturned if the winning side broke the law. |
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