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Iz O'Malley
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? Three weeks? Where did you get that from. There's no procedure for this, it probably can't even get support of the house, and even if it were only three weeks (very unlikely given the timescale of the crisis) it'd only lead to a general election where renewed Tories can point to Labour-Lib Dem colluding as anti-democratic and win. It's a nonsense suggestion that won't pass, and doesn't advance either party's interests well.

Imagine being so desperate for Labour to be in power that you must make an emergency coup (don't get me wrong, I support the idea of said emergency coup) an obviously Labour run thing rather than the big tent it must be to be legitimate.
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We're ALL desperate to get this evil landed gentry corporation of a government out ans stop their right wing brexshit coup!
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Of course a 'national government' would have all shades of opinion in it but you also have to be democratic in its creation and realise that labour has a much larger mandate than the Liberal Democrats?
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Aug 15 2019, 07:58 PM) *
Of course a 'national government' would have all shades of opinion in it but you also have to be democratic in its creation and realise that labour has a much larger mandate than the Liberal Democrats?


Preach!
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Aug 15 2019, 07:58 PM) *
Of course a 'national government' would have all shades of opinion in it but you also have to be democratic in its creation and realise that labour has a much larger mandate than the Liberal Democrats?


Which is true, but Labour cannot and will not be able to command a majority. There is no way they can right at this moment in time, they have lost too much ground by sitting on the fence. The pressure is on Corbyn now as the choice ultimately will be does Corbyn care about Corbyn, or does he care about the Labour party. The Lib Dems have already won too much centrist ground and will continue to do so as the momentum is with them.

Corbyn barely has the control of 80% of his MPs never mind another 4/5 smaller parties to contest with as well. I think some Tory MPs could be persuaded to back a more Centrist Labour MP, but Corbyn's plan to form an emergency government will just not work.
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The emergency government will deal with brexshit and an election, nothing more. Anyone refusing to work with Corbyn shows them up as idealogues and right wing corporate slaves.
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Agreed, the pressure isn't on JC he is called out for not having an opinion of Brexit again and again when in reality the party have reiterated their position again and again to the media and centrist opposition MPs who refuse to listen out of political self interest - the tories as they oppose him and remainers because they refuse to listen to what the people voted for in 2016 JC has done the right thing in being open to another vote but in understanding that many people want to leave the EU at the same time.
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QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Aug 15 2019, 07:09 PM) *
The emergency government will deal with brexshit and an election, nothing more. Anyone refusing to work with Corbyn shows them up as idealogues and right wing corporate slaves.


Careful, the Corbyn cult is really showing.

Political gaming is necessary and don’t think for one second that Corbyn is above it. Most likely Swinson will get on side IF there’s a less controversial proposed leader that will get the numbers required. The LDs need to be the balancing act that will tip Labour into getting this to workability.
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The last thing we need is tribalism so give it a rest.
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The Lib Dems - punching themselves in the face since 2010.

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I absolutely detest Swinson. However. I think she’s got the better suggestion here. Getting two well respected MPs, one from either party, to head a gov of national unity is exactly the path to take imo. It’s only for a short time so really what you need is a skeleton gov in place to get the important jobs done. Extend article 50 and get that GE sorted. Have someone from the SNP, LD, PC and then Caroline Lucas in the top team and that’s it. Nothing fancy, just get something that can unify a majority.

Corbyn won’t get a majority backing. Can’t even control his own party ffs.
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Yes, I don't really see how the Lib Dems commited "suicide" from what Jo said. It was a sensible solution, although the word sensible doesn't really fit in with the current political climate.
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The amusing thing is that Ken Clarke didn't command a majority back in April.... thanks to... yes you've guessed it. The Lib Dems!

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The closest any option came to majority support was Ken Clarke's customs union proposal, with 273 votes in favour and 276 against. Mr Clarke said he had got a “damn sight nearer a majority” than anyone else so far.

His proposal had the support of 37 Conservative MPs and 230 Labour MPs, a handful more than last time. It would have passed had the anti-Brexit Independent Group or the Liberal Democrats backed it. However, both groups again refused to support any form of soft Brexit. Mr Clarke was quick to blame them, and the Scottish National party, whose 35 MPs abstained.

The customs union was mainly undone by the opposition of Conservatives and the Democratic Unionist party. A total of 236 Tories voted against a customs union, showing why Mrs May is so reluctant to embrace one.
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Aug 16 2019, 10:21 PM) *
Yes, I don't really see how the Lib Dems commited "suicide" from what Jo said. It was a sensible solution, although the word sensible doesn't really fit in with the current political climate.


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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Aug 17 2019, 02:54 PM) *
The amusing thing is that Ken Clarke didn't command a majority back in April.... thanks to... yes you've guessed it. The Lib Dems!

Had they voted for it, the screams of "betrayal" would have been deafening. The Lib Dems are against withdrawal in any form; their failure to vote for Clarke's proposal is consistent with that.
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Aug 17 2019, 02:57 PM) *

She hasn't said she would oppose a no-confidence motion. Indeed, she tried to table one just before the summer recess. It didn't get anywhere because Corbyn chose not to back it.
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Aug 17 2019, 02:54 PM) *
The amusing thing is that Ken Clarke didn't command a majority back in April.... thanks to... yes you've guessed it. The Lib Dems!

Not sure where you're quoting that from, but a customs union and/or Labour's proposition end free movement. They're not a soft Brexit as that quote implies :x
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