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 12th July 2016, 05:54 PM
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If people happen to be listening to the same songs for weeks on end, then the charts should reflect that. Accuracy is more important than having a 'fun' chart.
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12th July 2016, 05:59 PM
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He seems to be working on the assumption that all radio stations have a playlist as varied as Radio 1.
He has a point about streaming playlists though. His comments reflect my remarks in last Friday's commentary. OTOH, I do sometimes look at the playlists in search of something new. |
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12th July 2016, 05:59 PM
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I could get on board if BBC Radio 6Music airplay was the ONLY airplay included.
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12th July 2016, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jul 12 2016, 06:59 PM)  I could get on board if BBC Radio 6Music airplay was the ONLY airplay included. Now THAT would be a great chart 
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12th July 2016, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(Hazza Chapman @ Jul 12 2016, 07:37 PM) Neither. Neither? Well done, you've equalled Drake's streams total 
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12th July 2016, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(Dircadirca @ Jul 12 2016, 06:54 PM) If people happen to be listening to the same songs for weeks on end, then the charts should reflect that. Accuracy is more important than having a 'fun' chart. So were the first 62 years of the chart inaccurate then? |
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12th July 2016, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(TheSnake @ Jul 12 2016, 07:42 PM) It would be great to see Catfish and The Bottlemen, Slaves or Bring Me The Horizon etc. singles in the lower end of the top 40 which might happen as these bands are commonly A listed by Radio 1. It would give rock music more of a chance of reaching the top 40. Airplay defines the music of a time as much as the charts for example 'High With Emotion' by Thomas Falke I remember hearing a lot in early 2005 and it didn't reach the top 40. Likewise those dubstep tunes in 2011 and 2012 that got a lot of airplay but didn't reach the top 40 (Holdin' On, Bonfire, Wild For the Night etc) and The Strokes' Under Cover of Darkness too, which also defined that time for me. I think adding airplay is a good thing. The only problem is that it makes the charts less legitimate, but if it gives rock bands that make the A list on radio 1 more of a chance of singles chart success than that is a good thing. that's not really true. There are thousands of other radio stations then Radio 1 and those rock bands won't get so many plays that they could even chart in the top 75 imo. If I see for example Capital's playlist, it's much more stale, full of the current chart hits and less new music. It would only make the chart more stagnant. PS: just saw others have already answered the same as I 
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12th July 2016, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jul 12 2016, 06:59 PM) I could get on board if BBC Radio 6Music airplay was the ONLY airplay included. "....with new entries this week from...Metronomy and White Denim!" *.* |
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12th July 2016, 06:22 PM
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In my opinion one solution would be fine, and that would be: count the revenue and not sold units like how the German charts work.
Add up the revenue of a song/single makes the week, where streaming I would say should count 1p. So to reach the full price (99p), it should be streamed 99 times. Although the 59p discount wouldn't have such a big effect on a chart but a real big hit (with full price) would have an advantage, also new tracks in full price would have advantage plus physicals would do some difference too  One more thing: in Germany as far as I know only payed streaming subscriptions count to the charts, free subscriptions not. This post has been edited by *Ben*: 12th July 2016, 06:28 PM |
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12th July 2016, 06:23 PM
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Taking streaming sales out of the chart won't happen anyway, just make matters worse sales wise, increasing the ratio might help.
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12th July 2016, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jul 12 2016, 06:47 PM) Why would adding AirPlay be a good thing??? If anything it would give rock bands much LESS singles chart success. Yes, some do get lots of Radio 1 airplay but there are many other stations as well that only play hit/chart/MoR music (Capital, Kiss, Heart etc.) It would be good for dance music though, streaming being introduced stopped as many dance tracks entering the chart after so many entering in early 2015. The likes of 'Piece of Me' and 'Freak Like Me' at the minute would benefit from it. |
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12th July 2016, 06:30 PM
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I had hope when I saw the first few words of the title, wtf though
Not a problem to worry about luckily.
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12th July 2016, 06:33 PM
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I would only support AirPlay if streaming was removed from the charts, if streaming was also removed I would also support TV plays being added as well.
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12th July 2016, 06:36 PM
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Say that hiss with your chest, and...
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QUOTE(Dircadirca @ Jul 12 2016, 06:54 PM) If people happen to be listening to the same songs for weeks on end, then the charts should reflect that. Accuracy is more important than having a 'fun' chart. There are so few new entries these days compared to the last decade or even 2010-early 2015 when 8 new entries a week was not uncommon. Somebody should do the stats but there has been fewer new entries in the chart for the first half of this year than I can ever remember, I wonder when the last time there was as few new entries. |
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12th July 2016, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(TheSnake @ Jul 12 2016, 08:29 PM) It would be good for dance music though, streaming being introduced stopped as many dance tracks entering the chart after so many entering in early 2015. The likes of 'Piece of Me' and 'Freak Like Me' at the minute would benefit from it. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think those two tracks had enough plays to make it to the top 40? Don't forget that the tracks above them had also many plays. |
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12th July 2016, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jul 13 2016, 02:12 AM) So were the first 62 years of the chart inaccurate then? Certainly not, though I would be curious to see what it would look like if such monitoring was possible. Especially in those periods around the late '90s/early '00s where even the biggest hits were often gone from the charts in a flash. |
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12th July 2016, 07:07 PM
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Isn't he totally contradicting himself? He objects to including streams from curated playlists because it's akin to radio airplay - but wants radio airplay to be included?
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12th July 2016, 08:48 PM
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not counting streams from playlists and only counting proper streams could be a solution to make the charts faster...
or count only the first time a song is streamed... or count only paid subscribers I personally think any of the 3 above would work to make the charts faster without the need to add airplay |
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13th July 2016, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(TheSnake @ Jul 12 2016, 06:42 PM) It would be great to see Catfish and The Bottlemen, Slaves or Bring Me The Horizon etc. singles in the lower end of the top 40 which might happen as these bands are commonly A listed by Radio 1. It would give rock music more of a chance of reaching the top 40. Airplay defines the music of a time as much as the charts for example 'High With Emotion' by Thomas Falke I remember hearing a lot in early 2005 and it didn't reach the top 40. Likewise those dubstep tunes in 2011 and 2012 that got a lot of airplay but didn't reach the top 40 (Holdin' On, Bonfire, Wild For the Night etc) and The Strokes' Under Cover of Darkness too, which also defined that time for me. I think adding airplay is a good thing. The only problem is that it makes the charts less legitimate, but if it gives rock bands that make the A list on radio 1 more of a chance of singles chart success than that is a good thing. If one of these indie bands did release a song that got a listed on radio 1 and actually caught the publics imagination they would develop into hits but they mainly don't!! That said I do think it's good radio 1 gives them heavy rotation as popularity isn't just about chart position it's about album sales, ticket sales and buzz amongst other things. Radio 1 giving them spins is a good thing for choice and makes it stand out amongst the commercial channels. |
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13th July 2016, 03:12 AM
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Is there a reason people keep spelling 'airplay' as 'AirPlay'?
That is my only contribution to this thread. x |
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