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 The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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 Jan 4 2019, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 4 2019, 04:38 PM)  That may be true - but I don't believe their demise will be forced prematurely. Yes it will be. VONC in Mad May the day after the vote. Tories stress out, in fighting, turn on Arlene, BAM, VONC in the landed gentry government. |
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Jan 4 2019, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 3 2019, 07:49 AM) On a separate note, despite what many of you may think, I would prefer a deal, to no deal - just not the deal currently on the table, which IMO makes too many compromises on issues that led me to vote for Brexit in the first place. What exsctly were you expecting to get more? Im very curious |
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Jan 4 2019, 05:01 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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I thought Vidcapper wanted a No Deal :S
It's in or out, abide by the club rules or leave. |
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Jan 5 2019, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 4 2019, 04:48 PM) Yes it will be. VONC in Mad May the day after the vote. Tories stress out, in fighting, turn on Arlene, BAM, VONC in the landed gentry government. 1. Only the Tories can hold a no-confidence vote in their leader - obvious when you think about it, otherwise any gov't with a HOC majority could oust the opposition leader...  2. Whatever the Tories internal difficulties, they will *not* vote for their own demise! Labour have nothing to offer the DUP so they would at beat abstain. QUOTE(*Tim @ Jan 4 2019, 04:50 PM) What exsctly were you expecting to get more? Im very curious For a start, not having to abide by most of the EU rules while having no input to them. |
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Jan 5 2019, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2019, 06:27 AM) 1. Only the Tories can hold a no-confidence vote in their leader - obvious when you think about it, otherwise any gov't with a HOC majority could oust the opposition leader... 2. Whatever the Tories internal difficulties, they will *not* vote for their own demise! Labour have nothing to offer the DUP so they would at beat abstain. For a start, not having to abide by most of the EU rules while having no input to them. How did you expect the EU to sign up to a free-trade agreement if we don’t comply with their standards? The Remain campaign said this would happen. |
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Jan 5 2019, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 5 2019, 10:04 AM) How did you expect the EU to sign up to a free-trade agreement if we don’t comply with their standards? The Remain campaign said this would happen. That doesn't have to mean we dot every 'i' and cross every 't' though. I take it you don't disagree with rest of my post, about confidence votes? |
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Jan 5 2019, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2019, 10:23 AM) That doesn't have to mean we dot every 'i' and cross every 't' though. I take it you don't disagree with rest of my post, about confidence votes? Why would the EU allow us to sell them goods which couldn't be sold legally by a member state? Why would EU member states vote to allow the UK a trading advantage over themselves? |
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Jan 5 2019, 02:10 PM
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Just read the BBC article about the upcoming Brexit documentary. Got to admit, this is a fascinating watch by the Leave campaign director.
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Jan 5 2019, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2019, 06:27 AM) 1. Only the Tories can hold a no-confidence vote in their leader - obvious when you think about it, otherwise any gov't with a HOC majority could oust the opposition leader... 2. Whatever the Tories internal difficulties, they will *not* vote for their own demise! Labour have nothing to offer the DUP so they would at beat abstain. For a start, not having to abide by most of the EU rules while having no input to them. Wrroong. This whole post is wrong. Google a parliamentary VONC in the prime minister. Oh, yea. It exists. Sorry. If they voted against Mad May for the party, rhen HAVE to do it as a parliament too. The questions raised otherwise would have to be covered even by rhe BBTory. |
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Jan 5 2019, 03:05 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 5 2019, 12:37 PM) Why would the EU allow us to sell them goods which couldn't be sold legally by a member state? Why would EU member states vote to allow the UK a trading advantage over themselves? Which is precisely why a no deal Brexit wouldn't be as bad as the pessimists claim - we could sell what we liked to anyone, and the EU could go f*ck themselves! |
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Jan 5 2019, 03:10 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 5 2019, 03:03 PM) Wrroong. This whole post is wrong. Google a parliamentary VONC in the prime minister. Oh, yea. It exists. Sorry. If they voted against Mad May for the party, rhen HAVE to do it as a parliament too. The questions raised otherwise would have to be covered even by rhe BBTory. You're still ignoring the fact that the opposition don't have enough votes to win a no-confidence motion against the gov't. |
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Jan 5 2019, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2019, 03:10 PM) You're still ignoring the fact that the opposition don't have enough votes to win a no-confidence motion against the gov't. You challenged the VONC in the PRIME MINISTER. Against the government, they will have the numbers as soon as the Brexit vote fails, Mad May goes down and the Tories and DUP start infighting. That'll do it. |
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Jan 5 2019, 03:18 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 5 2019, 03:12 PM) You challenged the VONC in the PRIME MINISTER. Against the government, they will have the numbers as soon as the Brexit vote fails, Mad May goes down and the Tories and DUP start infighting. That'll do it. The DUP have no incentive to bring down the gov't - under a Labour gov't they'd have no role. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Brit...ons_composition |
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Jan 5 2019, 03:22 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Sigh. No incentive?! They already HAVE their $1billion. Now they want the Brexit of their choice. This deal is not it. The deal passes, they rebel, government collapses. The deal fails, in fighting, more Tory rebels, DUP rebel too, and the government fails.
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Jan 5 2019, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2019, 03:05 PM) Which is precisely why a no deal Brexit wouldn't be as bad as the pessimists claim - we could sell what we liked to anyone, and the EU could go f*ck themselves! We already can sell what we like to whoever we like with the exception of North Korea. |
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Jan 5 2019, 03:55 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Interesting the Brexiters - did anyone see Farage vs veg, where he flounders and has no idea and keeps saying WE WE WE?
 Who is we - don't care about food miles. The environment can get ta fook as long as they have their racist Brexit eh and try to revive empire with their conscription military bases?
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Jan 5 2019, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 5 2019, 03:05 PM) Which is precisely why a no deal Brexit wouldn't be as bad as the pessimists claim - we could sell what we liked to anyone, and the EU could go f*ck themselves! Oops need to correct this, schoolmaster wise for accuracy... Which is precisely why a no deal Brexit would (*) Language Timothy. Must Do Better. See Me. |
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Jan 11 2019, 11:51 AM
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In an attempt to provide lexicographers with a new definition of chutzpah, May has been contacting union leaders to seek their support for her deal. I think a suitable response would be along these lines.
"Prime Miniister, in the two-and-a-half years since you took office, you have had many meetings with Rupert Murdoch. You have also met Tory donors on numerous occasions. You have made no attempt to have any dialogue with Trade Union leaders. Now that you are in a very big hole, largely of your own making, you want our help. You're not getting it. Good day." |
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Jan 11 2019, 12:51 PM
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Surely as a Tory you’d have to be monumentally dense to even think a trade union would ever even fractionally agree with you
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Jan 11 2019, 02:42 PM
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If May had established some form of dialogue with union leaders when she became PM, they might have been willing to listen to her on this subject. However, she completely ignored them. All her waffle about listening to all sides of the EU debate has been just that - waffle.
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