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Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 04:53 PM

No positions confirmed yet but Penny Mordaunt sacked from Defence with no other post offered. Thought he'd keep her there actually.

Hunt still refusing to move from the Foreign Office according to Sky News unless he gets Chancellor or Home Secretary. Has refused Defence. Hope Boris stands up to him and sack him then. Who the hell does Hunt think he is? He did the same at Health, refusing to move.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 24th July 2019, 04:58 PM

Karen Bradley's been sacked as NI secretary. She will not be missed. Will be interesting to see who Johnson punishes by sending them here.

Posted by: Steve201 24th July 2019, 05:00 PM

Is Prit Petel the new Home Secretary?? She wants to reintroduce the death penalty ffs. Always remember she argued for it on QT a few years back.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 05:02 PM

Well so do I for murderers of children especially and serial killers.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 05:02 PM

Send Hunt or Gove there lol but doubt either would accept.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 05:04 PM

Hunt's being said by both Sky and the BBC now as Boris's first headache. Does he give in to him and leave him at the FO or sack him and risk an angry back-bencher maybe plotting against him with others?

Posted by: T Boy 24th July 2019, 05:06 PM

Personally, I’d rather we didn’t give anyone the power to decide who will or will not live.

Posted by: Steve201 24th July 2019, 05:14 PM

Exactly it would be a backward step given it hasn't been law since the 1960s. Good old Roy Jenkins walked into the Home Office in 1964 following Wilson victory and the first thing he did was demand that the list of people who were due to be hanged be replaced with a drinks cabinet

Posted by: Klaus 24th July 2019, 05:33 PM

Absolutely disgusting that Priti Patel will be returning. Rewarded for something that would be a sackable offence in any other job. Resignations truly mean absolutely nothing because they all come crawling back to bigger and better jobs.

Posted by: coi 24th July 2019, 05:43 PM

Sajid Javid has been confirmed as the new chancellor.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th July 2019, 05:52 PM

There has to be a pretty good chance that the new NI secretary will know more about NI than Bradley did when she got the job. Even on the Tory benches, it would surely be difficult to find someone who knew less.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 05:54 PM

Yep she didn't even know that voting was decided by sectarianism.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 05:58 PM

Dominic Raab is the new Foreign Secretary. Priti Patel confirmed by Sky as the new Home Secretary with reports Hunt has angrily left the government. Good. Boris stood up to him then.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th July 2019, 06:03 PM

So someone who didn't even know that Dover-Calais was an important trade route is Foreign Secretary. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 06:07 PM

Everyone's allowed one mistake in their life.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th July 2019, 06:12 PM

That rather depends on the mistake. "Oops, I launched a nuclear missile, but everyone is entitled to make a mistake" wouldn't be accepted by many people.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 06:20 PM

Launching nuclear missiles is is the ultimate responsibility of new PM Boris Johnson and President Trump for the US so we can all sleep well in our beds tonight.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 06:23 PM

Sky has it on very good authority that Rees-Mogg is the new leader of the Commons.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th July 2019, 06:24 PM

Priti Patel after what she did to get fired from her post last time? Really?

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 06:27 PM

Yes she returns to one of the great offices of state. Bet no-one's more surprised than her.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 06:48 PM

Matt Hancock stays at Health. No news of Amber Rudd yet.

Stephen Barclay - Brexit, Liz Truss - International Trade.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th July 2019, 08:10 PM

Gavin Williamson is back as Education Secretary.

Yes, the very same Gavin Williamson who was recently sacked from his post for leaking security information.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th July 2019, 08:12 PM

Sacked and handed a large payoff cheque. Something tells me he won't be handing the cheque back.

I assume he has set a new record for the time between being sacked as a security risk and being handed a new job,

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th July 2019, 08:15 PM

Alternatively, Hunt stood up to Johnson and refused to be demoted. Still, it gives him more time to buy some new flats and promptly forget having done so.

Posted by: Rooney 24th July 2019, 08:19 PM

It’s just a terrible cabinet full of no marks in general. It’s not even like there are witty politicians in there, just a bunch of dipwits.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th July 2019, 08:38 PM

Similarly, Andrea Leadsom gets a new job just a matter of weeks after resigning and receiving a payoff cheque. I don't suppose she will be offering to pay it back either.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 09:03 PM

No job for Boris's brother Jo then this time? Never say never though.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 24th July 2019, 09:05 PM

New Secretary of State for Scotland advocates the abolition of Holyrood and Scottish Government.


This cabinet is a disgusting shower of shite.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 09:47 PM

Jacob Rees-Mogg is the new leader of the house of commons. Excellent appointment. Clever man and very capable.

Posted by: Kath 24th July 2019, 10:07 PM

Johnson wanting to surround himself with people more incompetent than he is.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 10:10 PM

Boris's brother Jo is still in No.10. Northern Ireland Secretary?

Posted by: Rooney 24th July 2019, 10:10 PM

He's an absolute dumb fuk. If he spoke with a Cumbrian accent not one person would think he is intelligent.

Surely the appointment of Cummings means Johnson is bracing himself for a General Election. His cabinet is 100% loyal to him and to No Deal, but Jesus wept I don't think he could have found a more incompetent bunch if he tried. Backbenchers are gonna have their knives out at the first opportunity.

Posted by: Kath 24th July 2019, 10:12 PM

You do realise that Smogg calls people like you 'plant pots' don't you? He is clever though - he'll think of ways to get people like you off the dole and into the work-place! You should be pleased - oh wait - you are!

I don't know why people answer your trolling posts - but then again - I just have!

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 10:12 PM

Well apparently he's due in the Commons tomorrow and may yet speak.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 10:15 PM

I am not just unemployed though. Am disabled with depression, which has got worse since my daughter died, and was found fit for work by the DWP twice but won two Judicial appeals with help and letters from my GP.

Posted by: mald487 24th July 2019, 10:16 PM

It is trolling surely? Everybody is entitled to their own views but it really baffles me why he is such a staunch supporter of this cabinet. Most of them literally WANT to make life harder for people in Chris' situation

I can only conclude it's trolling. I don't want to be mean or hurtful with my comments here, but these are not people that are going to make things better for you.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th July 2019, 10:17 PM

I really could not have handpicked a bigger horror show than this cabinet if I tried. Wow.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 10:19 PM

They don't though. They want to make the benefits system fair and get rid of scroungers who aren't really ill. Well I am genuinely ill and depressed and won two appeals recently with one judge saying my case should never have gone anywhere near appeal.

Posted by: Rooney 24th July 2019, 10:19 PM

Just file them with the same bunch idiots that think Brexit will be good for the country - there is no hope. Same idiots that want to vote for a man that wants to give Tax cuts to the six figure earners.

I’m no fan of Corbyn but at least he has some sense of reality.

Posted by: mald487 24th July 2019, 10:22 PM

Posted by: Kath 24th July 2019, 10:23 PM

As far as this government is concerned - you're unemployed - no ifs, no buts, no excuses. And its about to get a lot worse for unemployed people (for all of us for that matter - unless we've got a few million quid squirreled away!)

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 10:24 PM

.....And supported Hamas and the IRA. Watch the Tories and Boris go with that at the next election.

Posted by: Trump2020 24th July 2019, 10:26 PM

It's not the same Kath. Do some research about ESA. I'm in the Support group, ie not fit for any type of work or work related activity ie training etc.

Posted by: Rooney 24th July 2019, 10:29 PM

Ah the irony of Project Fear coming back to light. Problem is I don’t think people really care right now, you saw all the noise about Johnson today, I think that protest will only intensify.

We’ve now basically got the far left and far right as our two main parties right now. If the Lib Dem’s don’t decide the next election I’ll be damned, they’re gonna make massive gains.

Posted by: Kath 24th July 2019, 10:33 PM

Chris I suffer from depression. My OH died in April 2018 (horribly) but I was back at work full-time in July the same year! I find a way to work whilst on medication (medication which I hope to come off in time).

Boris is a great advocate of work being good for ones mental health - he may introduce measures that make even you find yourself back in the work-place. Who knows - You may find it helps and you may even enjoy it!

But ... as I said earlier - I know you're just trolling! You are funny at times - wearing but funny nonetheless!

Posted by: Kath 24th July 2019, 10:33 PM

Chris I suffer from depression. My OH died in April 2018 (horribly) but I was back at work full-time in July the same year! I find a way to work whilst on medication (medication which I hope to come off in time).

Boris is a great advocate of work being good for ones mental health - he may introduce measures that make even you find yourself back in the work-place. Who knows - You may find it helps and you may even enjoy it!

But ... as I said earlier - I know you're just trolling! You are funny at times - wearing but funny nonetheless!

Posted by: Calum 24th July 2019, 10:34 PM

Literally nobody is questioning why or how you're on benefits. Stop hammering on about that and read what people are actually saying to you, which is the simple truth that this government doesn't care whether you're unfit for work or not. They'll continue to try and make it harder for you to stay out of work and claim your precious benefits.

Posted by: Iz~ 24th July 2019, 10:57 PM

Patel and Raab? Oh save us. They're among the stupidest, least qualified, MPs in the entire Parliament. Out of the small number of Conservative MPs I had any respect for in the previous government, they've all gone. It's almost entirely the full who's who of Tory stooges. This Cabinet can't last long.

Worst appointment MIGHT be Gavin Williamson because the ink's barely gone dry on his sacking but I think Raab runs it close. Unless he has a blissfully short tenure as Foreign Secretary, there's no chance he doesn't make a huge gaffe.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th July 2019, 11:08 PM

So that begs the question, why the HELL are you supporting a government that would wrongly declare you fit for work in these circumstances?

Posted by: vidcapper 25th July 2019, 04:51 AM

Unfortunately murderers simply *assume* that power for themselves...

Posted by: Popchartfreak 25th July 2019, 07:08 AM

Most far-right cabinet ever.

So here we are, the UK: far left vs far right and a nation still in Rigor Mortis and in decline (and we are still in the EU with all those benefits).

The sane reasonable Centre has an uphill battle to try and limit the damage they are doing to society. Same age-old story.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 25th July 2019, 07:14 AM

PS

David Schneider
@davidschneider

"State of the nation latest:
The man who didn’t realise we were separated from France by water is now Foreign Secretary."

Posted by: Steve201 25th July 2019, 08:17 AM

In fairness they have Morgan and Rudd who are ardent remainders too:.

Posted by: Steve201 25th July 2019, 08:20 AM

Yes and we all know there's peace in NI because he talked to them openly while the British government only did it behind closed door. Least he isn't a hypocrite.

And no people in NI don't vote sectarianly they vote mainly along lines of national identity. The reason why this is again due to the British.

Posted by: T Boy 25th July 2019, 08:23 AM

But there is a difference between assuming that power for yourself which is illegal and the government simply telling people it’s on for them to have that power. I’d personally rather the murderers were all genuinely suffering for their crimes.

OFF TOPIC: Kath, so sorry to hear about your partner

Posted by: Trump2020 25th July 2019, 10:52 AM

What a great inspirational positive speech by Boris to the Commons now. Once again he emphasises that no-one should doubt that we are exiting the EU on Oct. 31st.

Posted by: Steve201 25th July 2019, 01:59 PM

Sounded to me like soundbites and he has no alternative plan if he can't get no deal through at that time. The Eu also don't look like starting with a new deal so it was all huff and puff!!

Posted by: Trump2020 25th July 2019, 03:19 PM

I don't think he has any alternative. There are reports that the Brexit Secretary said to him "so what now" and he had no answer really except get on the phones like he will and make some noise to the EU and hope they'll offer something.

Posted by: Harve 25th July 2019, 03:23 PM

In no way can they be described as Remainers today. How some voted in 2016 doesn't have anything close to the relevance of signing up to a 'do or die' Brexit on 31st of October pledge.

Posted by: Kath 25th July 2019, 04:16 PM

On a side note Chris - when you've got a moment can you let me know the name of the Private Health insurer you are with (do you think it is good value for money, would you recommend them?)

Cheers!

Posted by: Steve201 25th July 2019, 06:22 PM

They've obviously decided to do this but are moderate tories.

Posted by: Trump2020 25th July 2019, 08:21 PM

I'm not with one. Am quite happy with the NHS.

Posted by: Rooney 25th July 2019, 08:33 PM

I think Kath was making the point that the ultimate aim of a lot of the people pulling the strings of Brexit have the ultimate aim of selling off the NHS and adopting a private healthcare system. There's a reason they look up to Trump so much. Plus you only need to look at that noggin Aaron Banks to understand his ulterior motive about Brexit.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 25th July 2019, 08:50 PM

I don't recommend AXA. I get private medical as part of my benefits package for work with AXA PPP and it's meh. There's some good bits but i'm currently battling with them to get something to get covered that the policy book says is covered but they're saying isn't.

Posted by: Kath 25th July 2019, 09:37 PM

It was a rhetorical question Chris - because once Brexit arrives deal or no deal - the NHS will be gone. Not only will it be on the table in any deal with the US - it'll be the bloody centre-piece!

Posted by: mald487 25th July 2019, 10:45 PM

Then why are you such a supporter of Boris' and no deal?

It will be gone.

Why are you refusing to look at facts and evidence.

"Boris" yes...your mate...does not care about you AT ALL.

Posted by: Harve 26th July 2019, 06:33 AM

Not even the face of Vote Leave as PM can placate the ERG. Brexiteers are already back to squabbling amongst themselves.

Posted by: Trump2020 26th July 2019, 07:33 AM

I'm sure I read somewhere yesterday that Boris has said he'll protect the NHS and in fact put more money in to it. No PM would dare sell it off as it would be political suicide.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 26th July 2019, 08:10 AM

Esther McVey as housing minister. LOL- she's been boffing Philip Davies the well known landlord who talked out the opposition bill on 'https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/landlord-tory-mp-philip-davies-law-requiring-homes-be-fit-for-human-habitation-unnecessary-a6696931.html.

Posted by: Trump2020 26th July 2019, 08:35 AM

What has her sex life got to do with how she'll do her job?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 26th July 2019, 09:10 AM

He's just literally beyond hope, I'm afraid. It's quite sad really.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 26th July 2019, 09:12 AM

Yes he did say that....but this is Blojo talking and nothing he says should be believed, especially when faced with no deal with the EU and desperation to get a US deal sets in. Trump has said they would only deal with the NHS as part of it (plus Tories have already hived off large parts to the private sector with terrible results, higher costs, and US pharma companies are now skyrocketing the price of drugs - at least in the EU you're protected from that, but the UK is currently paying shitloads higher prices for US drugs that the rest of Europe get much much cheaper). This is a sign of the future.

It's lovely you have a trusting nature, but this is the reality we face I'm afraid.....

Posted by: Popchartfreak 26th July 2019, 09:15 AM

It illustrates her judgement might be compromised. A bit like May's judgement on offshore tax havens was compromised by her husband's job. She did nothing about them, basically.

Posted by: TheJüpreme 26th July 2019, 08:17 PM

You were judged fit for work by the DWP twice and yet you think the system is fit for purpose?

Rees Mogg and co think the system is fine as is. Rudd and McVey are always out defending it. You had to go to court TWICE to fight the decision of this system!

Posted by: Trump2020 27th July 2019, 05:47 PM

It's definitely not fine and very flawed when so many DWP decisions are overturned on appeal. Something like 70% I think. Judges are fed up of seeing the same people every two years as well.

Posted by: Steve201 28th July 2019, 12:44 AM

It's only like that because the tories want to make it look like they're tough on people in benefits when as you say 70% of decisions are over turned on appeal which is good for those people but the added stress for them is awful!

Posted by: mald487 28th July 2019, 05:06 AM

How do you suppose your playground chum 'Boris' will improve this?

Posted by: Suedehead2 28th July 2019, 02:50 PM

Nadine Dorries, she who complained that May's deal with the EU meant that we would lose our MEPs and any influence over EU policy after campaigning for Leave, has been made a junior minister in the Dept. for Health. The Tories' attempt to show that talent and intelligence are not prerequisites for a ministerial job continues apace.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th July 2019, 02:58 PM

I think he has more pressing priorities at the moment.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 28th July 2019, 03:21 PM

fairly simple to find out - if they continue to contract out medical decisions to private companies paid to get as many off benefits as they can, when clearly they are not medical experts, then Johnson doesn't give a flying fistings. If they return it to experts and/or trained staff who are fit to make judgements, then he's serious about what he claims he wants to do for the needy in society.

Should be clear fairly soon, if his government survives beyond Oct 31st.

Re Nadine Dobbies, my observation is that being intelligent and compassionate and honest is a positive disadvantage when it comes to high office in the Tory Party. No-one is too dumb to promote. Those who fail on all 3 grounds are quids-in. usually literally.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th July 2019, 10:56 PM

Talk on other forums about who could succeed Boris as ether PM or Tory leader in Opposition. I think Priti Patel has a good chance if she doesn't screw up at the Home Office, or Sajid Javid.

Posted by: Rooney 28th July 2019, 11:58 PM

In the event a general election is lost then the membership will want a more moderate candidate. I think they will go for Rory Stewart, although just depends how long we're talking really.

Priti Patel as leader You've said some funny things Chris, this is up there with the best.

Posted by: Trump2020 29th July 2019, 06:57 AM

Well how many people , two months ago, would have predicted she'd be HS today? I said if she didn't drop any clangers like she did before.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 29th July 2019, 09:24 AM

Priti Patel

Whether there is or isn't a Hard Brexit the next leader would need to be a unifier. A unifier of a hopelessly split party, a hopelessly split nation, and potentially a former-UK. Once the Far Right get shown up for what they are, Tories will have 2 choices: keep going in that direction oblivious to reality and die as a relevant political force, or move back to the centre and reason in order to deal with the fall-out which is going to last decades.

Unless we stay in the EU there are decades of trade deals to sort out and other countries aren't in the same desperate rush the UK would be, so we have to go cap in hand as we watch our national well-being go down the tube. As I tried to explain yet again to an aggressively abusive Brexit-loving friend (6 pints triggered it) on the train saturday night WTO trading doesn't mean business-as-normal. If it was so f***ing great everyone would be doing it. No-one is doing it exclusively. Response? Abuse. I walked off. Facts mean nothing to people with extreme opinions and they just go straight into denial and anger when you try and point out flaws in their ranting. The more obvious it gets that everything was a lie in 2016, the more they try and twist arguments to fit the new situation, having dropped each and every argument they used to spout off about deals and economic paradise. Now it's we know what we voted for and it was exactly a Hard Brexit.

That wasn't what they said at all 3 years ago. Poor dears have such short memories. Just like Johnson, Gove, Farage, Rees-Mogg and all the other cabinet liars who promised it would be a peace of piss to get a brilliant trade deal. Only economic prosperity in 2020 will prove that they are anything other than lying liars.

Rory Stewart seems smart and is positioning himself using reason, ready to deal with the issues. They would be hard-pressed to do any better than him.

Posted by: mald487 29th July 2019, 03:02 PM

No thanks. Keep that nasty xenophobic, homophic so in so s far away the top role as possible.

Posted by: Trump2020 29th July 2019, 05:55 PM

I'm sure our new PM would not appoint a xenophobic homophobe to the top job of Home Secretary.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 29th July 2019, 06:07 PM

Except that he did...

Posted by: T Boy 29th July 2019, 06:09 PM

I’m sure a xenophobic homophobe would give another person of that ilk a top job.

Posted by: mald487 29th July 2019, 06:22 PM

Forgive my countless spelling errors in my previous post. They were in part due to me hurriedly/passionately responding to the suggestion that Priti Patel would make a good Prime Minister. Look at her voting record.

Chris, you are beyond help. These people are literally out to make life worse for people in situations like yours. You ask us to show empathy for you, and yes perhaps Kaths reponse was a bit insensitive but you hardly seem to be showing empathy yourself to all of the people who will be effected by the ghastly policies that this group of twats will in the very least attempt to inforce.

Rely on the NHS? Good luck with that.

Posted by: Trump2020 29th July 2019, 06:32 PM

I never said she'd make a good PM. I said if she doesn't mess up at the Home Office she has to be in a good chance of becoming next leader.

Posted by: T Boy 29th July 2019, 06:34 PM

It’s unlikely we’ll need to worry about what happens if she doesn’t mess up tbh.

Posted by: Rooney 29th July 2019, 06:34 PM

It's a complete populist appointment, I think about 5 years ago she was viewed as a future leader, one of the golden children of the Party. But she's shown herself up already in junior positions and I've no doubt she will do the same as Home Secretary. There is a reason Johnson's cabinet is laughably bad. I hate to be horrible but she fills a minority quota and looks good from a D&I perspective. Without a doubt the next Party leader will be someone who is more moderate as right now the Tories are basically going to lose their own majority driven by right-wing idelology.

Posted by: Trump2020 1st August 2019, 10:43 PM

Boris is at odds with his Justice Secretary whom he has today overruled.

Boris has today sunk the Justice Secretary’s proposal for anonymity in future sex cases ...

They’ve given the Stuart Hall case as a good example .. he was accused by one woman ... named by police then hoards of young abused girls and women came forwards .

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 2nd August 2019, 08:56 PM

Why are you excited by "get off my f***ing laptop" landed gentry pos Boris Johnson exactly? He is the worst of the worst. Respect? f*** that! WE KNOW WHAT HE'S LIKE. WE KNOW WHO HE IS.

This far right government is the worst in HISTORY and it needs to go NOW. All they do is lie and try to funnel wealth up to the top. He's in it for the money. He complains there isn't enough! He couldn't answer when asked when he had put COUNTRY before personal ambition even once. Absolute joke you get excited by this aristocratic plutocrat and yet repeat right wing LIES about Corbvyn, who actually would bring drastic quality of life changes across the board, helping to wipe out the vast wealth inequality. Give your head a shake!

Posted by: Trump2020 3rd August 2019, 01:41 PM

Are you talking to me?

Posted by: mald487 3rd August 2019, 03:16 PM

Who else would he be talking to?

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd August 2019, 04:07 PM

Good lord.

Posted by: Suedehead2 3rd August 2019, 04:42 PM

If only more interviewers were prepared to give ministers the chance to show what idiots they are.

Posted by: Kath 3rd August 2019, 04:44 PM

Frigging hell! We're doomed!

Posted by: T Boy 3rd August 2019, 07:06 PM

That is so embarrassing.

Posted by: Rooney 3rd August 2019, 07:22 PM

Yes people do just want us to get on it to, it doesn't mean we want you to single handedly destroy our econony, what a prick.

Posted by: Suedehead2 3rd August 2019, 07:43 PM

Maybe it's time for a reminder of Liz Truss's greatest hits...

Posted by: mald487 3rd August 2019, 07:52 PM

Oh its pork market lady

Gormless cow

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 3rd August 2019, 08:02 PM

FINALLY! We now have the answer to the question "Who does Trump plagiarise for his speeches".



His wife aimed a bit higher going after Michelle Obama

Posted by: mald487 3rd August 2019, 10:19 PM

"I'm going to Beijing to open up pork markets"....*smiles gormlessly* delayed faint applause.

Utter spanner

Posted by: Rooney 21st August 2019, 07:52 PM

No-one talking about IDS' brain fart of an idea to raise the retirement age to 75? Knobhead.

Posted by: Iz O'Malley 21st August 2019, 07:59 PM

well, it's a) utterly deplorable, b) a rude discovery that IDS had managed to slip back into the cabinet and c) not directly affecting most of this forum because we're all being short-sighted.

I mean a big part of it is this 16-year timeline, the arrogance of assuming the Tories will be in power for the next 16 years while they piss off their base like this, optimistic even with their cockroach-like ability.

Posted by: Trump2020 21st August 2019, 08:11 PM

That's nothing. Tories want it at 85 in 50 years time.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 21st August 2019, 08:14 PM

Average life expectancy in Glasgow for a bloke is 73 :/ similar picture across Wales and the north of England.

If he keeps on at this the SNP gonna pick up the pensioner vote at Indyref2 an all

Posted by: Rooney 21st August 2019, 08:17 PM

All policies made up by people completely out of touch with reality. Longer at work means more strain on business and how do we get young people in to jobs when the old keep them cos they can't afford to retire? Absolutely shite policy.

Posted by: Trump2020 21st August 2019, 08:43 PM

Agree totally.

Posted by: Suedehead2 21st August 2019, 09:00 PM

The good news is that Duncan Smith is not back in the Cabinet. It is a think tank proposal, not a formal government one.

Further increases in the retirement age are inevitable but the idea of increasing it to 75 within sixteen years is a political non-starter. It also raises the question of what all these people would actually do. There are plenty of jobs which people struggle to do in their sixties; expecting them to continue into their mid-70s is simply impractical.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 21st August 2019, 09:24 PM

They assume they will always win due to voter suppression and a one party state media and establishment, plus planks like Chris.

Posted by: Harve 28th August 2019, 09:17 AM

Dumping this here as the original topic was locked and it didn't have relevance anyway.

I couldn't sign onto the benefits system this summer as I'm classed as a newly-arrived migrant and not recognised as a legal resident in the UK. But France doesn't recognise me as living there either (which, on the other hand, is perfectly accurate as I don't have a flat lease for the entirety of this summer).

They just want to get unemployment figures down as low as possible and avoid helping those in need if they can.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th August 2019, 03:37 PM

Well I feel sorry for you but rules are rules I'm afraid.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th August 2019, 03:37 PM

DELETED. Double post.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 28th August 2019, 04:41 PM

You have got to be trolling

Posted by: Harve 28th August 2019, 04:50 PM

Fuck off man. When you can't return to the country of birth as a legal resident when you've lived in it for 20+ years, then the rules are quite clearly a problem.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th August 2019, 05:07 PM

So you were born here? Then you're a British Citizen and can come and stay here and claim benefits any time you like? Or are you a French citizen? Am a bit confused.

Posted by: mald487 28th August 2019, 05:27 PM

Chris as usual you've got no idea what you're talking about. Constant right wing soundbites.

Do everyone a favour and stop trolling.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th August 2019, 05:31 PM

I am not trolling. I genuinely don't understand as it sounds as if he was born here and moved to France. So he's a British Citizen then and can come back to live without permission.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 28th August 2019, 05:38 PM

Wrong. If you live abroad and come back, you cannot claim benefits.

Posted by: Harve 28th August 2019, 05:53 PM

Yes, this is right. At least for three months, and most people aren't out of work for longer than that anyway.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/claiming-benefits-if-youre-from-the-EU/before-you-apply/check-if-you-can-pass-the-habitual-residence-test/ (the link says 'if you're from the EU, but this applies to anyone arriving from the EU, regardless of nationality or whether they were in the UK before they were elsewhere in the EU).

You can still have the right to stay in the UK with a British passport, but you can't claim any welfare.

Posted by: TheJüpreme 28th August 2019, 07:24 PM

This will be a fun one to come back to when the Tory dictatorship cuts any and all benefits and sends all non British citizens and those who weren't born here back home.

Posted by: Trump2020 28th August 2019, 10:55 PM

[quote name='Harve' post='6318003' date='Aug 28 2019, 06:53 PM']

That seems fair to me. You've started a life outside the UK then suddenly, when it suits you or everything there goes tits up, you decide to come back and the taxpayer has to support you.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 29th August 2019, 12:00 AM

Troll.

Posted by: mald487 29th August 2019, 12:10 AM

Chris, seeing as you don't pay taxes or contribute anything to the system, I'd say your opinions on this are superfluous.

Posted by: Miss Americana 29th August 2019, 12:44 AM

Wow. Seen it all now

You really aren't in any position to be calling people out on why they might need to apply for / receive welfare considering that's you in a nutshell. You literally scrounge by in life spending taxpayer money, so don't be such a condescending prick.

Posted by: Steve201 29th August 2019, 08:08 AM

This rules right, was brought in by Cameron to make him seem tough on Eu migrant but I see this everyday in work in the housing authority - people who've went to america/Australia and come back 20 years later and have nothing to live on even though they have a UK or Irish passport.

Posted by: blacksquare 29th August 2019, 08:53 AM

This is cruel.

Surely you understand the hypocrisy here? You should be more concerned about how Boris will view your welfare in post-no-deal Britain.

Posted by: Izzy 29th August 2019, 09:03 AM

What else does the UK exist for if not to take care of its citizens in turbulent periods of their lives?

Expatriates being repatriated and supported during that should be desirable.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 29th August 2019, 09:08 AM

When you pay into the system, you can comment on who can benefit from the system. Until then, you can f*** right off! 😁🖕

Posted by: Klaus 29th August 2019, 09:09 AM

So people from the UK aren’t allowed to come back to their home country but all immigrants in the UK must go back to their home country as we shouldn’t support them

Makes a lot of sense...

Posted by: mald487 29th August 2019, 09:36 AM

His good friend Boris won't let anything happen to him.

Posted by: mald487 29th August 2019, 09:38 AM

THIS

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 29th August 2019, 10:07 AM

You've never contributed anything to society, and the taxpayer has been supporting you your WHOLE LIFE.

Unbelievable that those words have come from someone who hasn't ever been anything other than a useless drain on the system.

Posted by: Trump2020 29th August 2019, 03:29 PM

Get your facts right. I left school aged 16 on a Friday and started work in an office on the next Monday and worked for 22 months. So don't say I have NEVER worked.

Posted by: T Boy 29th August 2019, 03:53 PM

You’re getting pretty upset for someone who has told a British citizen they can’t have the same rights as you just because they were living in France.

Posted by: mald487 29th August 2019, 05:16 PM

Ok fair point. Let's get our facts straight then....

You haven't contributed to the system for the VAST MAJORITY of your adult life. You've taken and taken. Yet you seem to think it's fair that someone who perhaps DID work in the UK for a number of years before spending time working abroad(for any number of reasons, e.g. better prospects, more money etc) deserves to be entitled to nothing upon their return whilst you continue to take.

If thats the case then it's incredibly difficult to look at you as anything other than blinkered, selfish and dare I say spiteful. Or just a troll. Probably all.

Posted by: Kath 29th August 2019, 05:36 PM

You're a frigging troll Chris - I just wish people would stop feeding you!

Posted by: Trump2020 29th August 2019, 05:44 PM

You only turn up here to have a go at me. Don't see you posting any other time.

Posted by: T Boy 29th August 2019, 05:45 PM

It doesn’t mean she’s wrong though. People post when they feel the need.

Posted by: Trump2020 29th August 2019, 05:53 PM

Well the way I'm being bullied here again means I may not feel the need much longer.

Posted by: T Boy 29th August 2019, 06:02 PM

I’m not sure I’d describe it as bullying though. You’ve made a few choice comments yourself and don’t seem to think you should have any come back from posters.

I guess if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

Posted by: Harve 29th August 2019, 06:47 PM

Oops I started a war.

Posted by: Kath 29th August 2019, 06:49 PM

The thing is Chris - I remember a few years back having a conversation (or even conversations) with you by PM - and you came across as really pleasant and not at all like the posts you make in public here! Its like it was a totally different person. Its like you post stuff for effect and to rile people!

Posted by: Trump2020 29th August 2019, 07:08 PM

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 29th August 2019, 07:59 PM

This.