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crazy chris View member profile	Nov 24 2019, 10:45 PM Post #21
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(T Boy @ Nov 24 2019, 09:18 PM) I have no words. Please expand and tell me if my thinking is wrong. Why should a single person stay in a 3-bed house getting all her rent paid when she doesn't need all three bedrooms? Even moving her to a 2 bedroom and giving hers to a family. Am not suggesting putting her out on the streets but we do have a housing problem.


Steve201 View member profile	Nov 24 2019, 10:54 PM Post #22
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,131 User: 5,138	I work in the housing sector and you need to treat people like human beings and not have this sort of thing hanging over them, especially for older residents/families.


T Boy View member profile	Nov 24 2019, 10:57 PM Post #23
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,597 User: 177	QUOTE(common sense @ Nov 24 2019, 10:45 PM) Please expand and tell me if my thinking is wrong. Why should a single person stay in a 3-bed house getting all her rent paid when she doesn't need all three bedrooms? Even moving her to a 2 bedroom and giving hers to a family. Am not suggesting putting her out on the streets but we do have a housing problem. If you were in her situation, you’d expect empathy. I don’t know why I’m surprised you have none yourself.


crazy chris View member profile	Nov 24 2019, 11:23 PM Post #24
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(T Boy @ Nov 24 2019, 10:57 PM) If you were in her situation, you’d expect empathy. I don’t know why I’m surprised you have none yourself. If I were in her shoes I'd move as they've asked her to do but apparently can't force her. Then if she won't make her pay the bedroom tax, pensioner or not. This post has been edited by common sense: Nov 24 2019, 11:26 PM


Iz 🌟 View member profile	Nov 25 2019, 12:55 AM Post #25
I'm a paragon so don't perceive me Joined: 3 February 2011 Posts: 37,407 User: 12,929	So there are parts of the Conservative manifesto that seem aspirational. Which almost makes you want to vote for them until you remember that all the things they are promising are things they cut over the last 9 years. I think it's written a lot better than the tone-deaf one of 2017 though. However of course there are things that really creep me out, the line on benefit fraud, the whole section on being tough on crime. See, the Conservatives talk about more prison places in an attempt to make the reader feel safe, the Labour manifesto cites data from the Ministry of Justice that proves that community sentences are better at preventing crime than incarceration. The entire hostile environment idea just sends shivers up my spine and its existence means I could never countenance voting Tory. And also there's lines in there about them being One Nation which is laughable. And the country and environment just cannot afford right-wing governments continuing to make up for their own failings while they spend most of their time ensuring that they will be the only possible party of government. Labour's manifesto reads like there's actual human empathy behind it, I believe what they are telling us they will do to the environment, I believe they will improve our public services, I love their commitment to mental health and improving the workforce, and I for a part trust their costings - Javid's look very optimistic but I'm not an economist so I can't make definite statements on either. My favourite bits from this read, as an international relations grad, are Labour's promises to really tackle problems on the world stage - suspension of arms sales to Saudi Arabia, rightfully give up the Chagos Islands, secure justice and accountability for other human rights abuses, get climate diplomacy (urgent stuff - in a better world, this should have been the election on climate change) back at the top of the agenda. Our image on the international stage has been really damaged in recent years and not just because of that word, we could do with a government willing to do the right thing.