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 24th July 2023, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(spiceboy @ Jul 24 2023, 10:33 AM)  That’s fair I didn’t realise it was streams and downloads only I thought this included a physical realise from 2000 too. I wonder why they didn’t release a physical? No wonder it bombed at #107! Because the physical market in the US was essentially dying at that point, so it likely wouldn't have made much of a difference. |
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24th July 2023, 01:46 PM
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I guess the girls never really had a chance with Forever in the US then. They were not very well played on US radio were they? Their main bulk of chart positions came from their physicals didn't they?
Lack of airplay for Holler combined with zero group promotion over there for the album... They might as well have not even bothered. |
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24th July 2023, 02:51 PM
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By the way #107 isn’t really its chart position! It peaked at #12 in the Bubbling Under chart and technically speaking that doesn’t equate to being #112 overall.
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24th July 2023, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(-Jay- @ Jul 24 2023, 03:51 PM) By the way #107 isn’t really its chart position! It peaked at #12 in the Bubbling Under chart and technically speaking that doesn’t equate to being #112 overall. Oh I thought it peaked at #7 in the bubbling under chart? The David Sinclair book said it as #107 (or #112 whichever it was) so I've always just assumed bubbling under meant not charted on top 100 so in a chart position below that. |
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24th July 2023, 09:41 PM
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The reported #107 position (but really #7 on Bubbling) was indeed said back then, but it seems like it was misinformation and it was really #12?
 At least it says #12 on Wikipedia.Bubbling Under is 25 songs that haven't charted in the Hot 100 yet, but it's not a 101-125 extension of the Billboard Hot 100, because in theory there'd be songs that had already charted in the Billboard Hot 100 but had dropped out, that would be doing better than some or all of those 25 uncharted songs. That's my understanding of it anyway. |
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24th July 2023, 10:05 PM
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It's #112. I have the run somewhere. I'll find It.
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24th July 2023, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(Babyboy @ Jul 24 2023, 11:05 PM) It's #112. I have the run somewhere. I'll find It. But not really #112, for the reason explained above  #12 in the Billboard Bubbling Under chart ≠ #112.
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25th July 2023, 04:00 AM
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QUOTE(-Jay- @ Jul 24 2023, 09:41 PM) Bubbling Under is 25 songs that haven't charted in the Hot 100 yet, but it's not a 101-125 extension of the Billboard Hot 100, because in theory there'd be songs that had already charted in the Billboard Hot 100 but had dropped out, that would be doing better than some or all of those 25 uncharted songs. That's my understanding of it anyway. Yeah, pretty much. Bubbling Under are essentially songs that have yet to make an impact on the Hot 100, but are close to doing so. Like you said, technically there'd be songs above them that had already charted on the Hot 100, so they wouldn't qualify for the Bubbling Under chart. This post has been edited by tommie: 25th July 2023, 04:01 AM |
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26th July 2023, 07:58 AM
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Goodbye U.S. total - 683,000
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 26th July 2023, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(StephenN18 @ Jul 23 2023, 10:12 PM) Not really, it didn't chart in the US, so it's sales are good. Remember Viva Forever is on 128,000 so 86,000 for Holler is good. Viva Forever wasn't promoted in the USA, whereas Holler was.  QUOTE(spiceboy @ Jul 24 2023, 01:33 PM) I wonder why they didn’t release a physical? No wonder it bombed at #107! At the time, singles could reach #1 on Billboard Hot 100 based on radio airplay alone. This post has been edited by Voodoo: 26th July 2023, 09:31 AM |
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26th July 2023, 10:32 AM
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So stupid to not release Holler as a physical CD, when their main bulk of sales/performance in the USA came from physical sales back then...
But really the main culprit is them (aka Mel C at the time) not caring to promote the record at all. I know it was a hard time for some of them, but damn... what a squandered opportunity. This post has been edited by Mr.X: 26th July 2023, 10:32 AM |
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26th July 2023, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(Mr.X @ Jul 26 2023, 01:32 PM) So stupid to not release Holler as a physical CD, when their main bulk of sales/performance in the USA came from physical sales back then... It wouldn't have made much of a difference anyway. It's not like Forever was a big physical seller. |
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26th July 2023, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(Voodoo @ Jul 26 2023, 10:17 AM) Viva Forever wasn't promoted in the USA, whereas Holler was. Did they perform Holler on any American show? I'm sure they performed on the MTV Europe Awards but didn't think they ever went to America as a four piece to promote Holler/Forever. It's not the most memorable Spice song so makes sense why it sold less than 100k. This post has been edited by StephenN18: 26th July 2023, 05:56 PM |
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26th July 2023, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(StephenN18 @ Jul 26 2023, 06:55 PM) Did they perform Holler on any American show? I'm sure they performed on the MTV Europe Awards but didn't think they ever went to America as a four piece to promote Holler/Forever. It's not the most memorable Spice song so makes sense why it sold less than 100k. Nope. They only did ONE WEEK of promo, ahead of the release of the album in the UK, 1 performance in Germany Top of the Pops and then the European Music Awards. Only Victoria and Emma went to USA to promote the record with a couple of TV interviews and an appereance at the VH1 Awards. That was it. |
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26th July 2023, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(Spice Girls Net @ Jul 26 2023, 08:58 AM) Goodbye U.S. total - 683,000 Has this song been certified gold in the USA? I was kind of hoping it would be closer to 1 million over there. |
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26th July 2023, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.X @ Jul 26 2023, 07:20 PM) Nope. They only did ONE WEEK of promo, ahead of the release of the album in the UK, 1 performance in Germany Top of the Pops and then the European Music Awards. Only Victoria and Emma went to USA to promote the record with a couple of TV interviews and an appereance at the VH1 Awards. That was it. It was even less than that. From July to November they did around 15 bits of promotion as a four piece. Truly shocking. It just shows they were calling the shots and not manufactured puppets because what record label/management would allow that to happen? |
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26th July 2023, 06:51 PM
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So the girls single sales are about 14 million in the USA. We also know that they sold at least 12 million albums there too
So total stands at 26 million records in the USA minimum so far. I would love to know their updated album sales, I wonder why the record company doesn't apply for the new certs? |
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26th July 2023, 07:22 PM
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Pretty sure the last update for the Greatest Hits album in the US was just over 1 million sales and that doesn't include the 600k sales from Victoria's Secret. So their album sales could be close to 14 million now.
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26th July 2023, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.X @ Jul 26 2023, 07:20 PM) Nope. They only did ONE WEEK of promo, ahead of the release of the album in the UK, 1 performance in Germany Top of the Pops and then the European Music Awards. Only Victoria and Emma went to USA to promote the record with a couple of TV interviews and an appereance at the VH1 Awards. That was it. Oh dear, didn't realise it was that bad! |
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26th July 2023, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(StephenN18 @ Jul 26 2023, 08:22 PM) Pretty sure the last update for the Greatest Hits album in the US was just over 1 million sales and that doesn't include the 600k sales from Victoria's Secret. So their album sales could be close to 14 million now. That is amazing if so, not sure how though when it had 1 week on the US chart at #93 and then has never been seen on there again since? There are #1 albums from that same year like Britney's Blackout which have only just sold 1 million over there, and that certainly enjoyed more recognition over there than the GH. I didn't include the 600k Victoria Secret sales tbf if you include them that would push their album sales towards 13 million. |
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