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Posted by: Mack. May 7 2019, 04:10 PM

xx Lewis Hamilton
xx Valtteri Bottas
xx Sebastian Vettel
xx Charles Leclerc
xx Max Verstappen
xx Pierre Gasly
xx Daniel Ricciardo
xx Nico Hulkenberg
xx Romain Grosjean
xx Kevin Magnussen
xx Lando Norris
xx Carlos Sainz
xx Sergio Perez
xx Lance Stroll
xx Kimi Raikkonen
xx Antonio Giovinazzi
xx Alexander Albon
xx Daniil Kvyat
xx George Russell
xx Robert Kubica


You have rated the class of 2019. All of the commentary has been completed.

During the next week or so, I'll be counting down the results on who you have voted as your driver of F1 2019.

Enjoy.


Posted by: jakewild May 7 2019, 04:57 PM

hoping for some big placings for charles, max and dani

Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 04:11 PM

20TH: LANCE STROLL


1.5





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stole a seat through nepotism alone - had that one wonder drive in baku a few years back but pretty much nothing else]



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Some are born great, some have greatness thrust upon them. Others get daddy to buy the team. Out of his depth


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Mr Stroll Sr is the reason he has the drive. Somehow has more podiums than Hulkenberg and Sainz Jr.



what severin said

Posted by: dobbo May 9 2019, 04:33 PM

A very unsurprising last place there. Had never seen that crash before - and I had never ever seen a crash at that particular corner before!

Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 04:39 PM

19TH:

PIERRE GASLY



3.75





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having a bit of a nightmare at rbr so far, never been convinced yet aside from that one super drive in bahrain last year
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Astonished he got the Red Bull drive and he's done nothing so far to suggest he'll keep it long



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bit of a non-event
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Looks a shadow of himself after joining Red Bull.


Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 04:50 PM

18TH:

DANILL KVYAT


4




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good old torpedo, gets a bit of a bad rep but he's not a bad driver generally - people forget he beat ricciardo in the same machinery
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has potential still


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Guess who's back, Torpedo's back, back again pardon the Eminem pun.
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Was he given another chance as a dare? The new Andrea De Cesaris

Posted by: jakewild May 9 2019, 04:55 PM

stroll last is well deserved

pierre is one of them people who i just know can do better than he's currently showing. got a feeling ocon might be challenging for his seat soon tho..

Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 05:02 PM

17TH:

ANTONIO GIOVINAZZI

4.5 (1 5s)





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thoroughly unconvinced by this guy thus far, time will tell if he's the next sirotkin
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on the fence. dunno what to think of him yet.



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After his two crashes in China 2017. Yet to be convinced he is one of the future.
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I really can't think of anything worth saying either way about him. But I like having an Italian back on the grid

Posted by: dobbo May 9 2019, 05:04 PM

Certainly wouldn't put Giovinazzi ahead of them 2...

Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 05:17 PM


16TH:

ROMAIN GROSJEAN

4.5 (1, 6s)





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has never really kicked on from that very good season at lotus, keeps remininding everyone of the old grosjean too often
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ditto ^



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With him you get the good, the bad and the ugly in separate weekends.
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Quick but a liability. If he can avoid crashing he can have his moments. Loses a point for rashness

Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 05:26 PM

15TH: ROBERT KUBICA

5 (1, 7s)




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obviously hard to rate given the story behind his comeback but he is being outpaced by a rookie & will remain rooted to the foot on the standings
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kinda wish he hadn't come back and left his legacy as it was. can't really see him challenging for a podium any time soon.


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I'm not sure he should have come back, again like others have said he should have left his legacy as it was. Unfortunately it looks like he'll continue to be at the back throughout the season
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Bonus point for being great once and especially for your resilience and determination to come back but all the signs are you shouldn't have bothered. Hopefully it was simply too early

Posted by: Mack. May 9 2019, 05:35 PM


13TH= SERGIO PEREZ

5 (7, 5, 6, 2)




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solid, dependable & with the odd amazing drive to snatch a podium in inferior machinery
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another non-event for me


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Has his moments. But sometimes he is just average.
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Has his moments. Most of them involve ramming or being rammed by Ocon. Less interesting by himself

Posted by: dobbo May 9 2019, 05:43 PM

Not following the numbers Mack? What's this mean:

5 (1, 7s)

Perez a bit too low there for my liking...

Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 10:29 AM

QUOTE(dobbo @ May 9 2019, 06:43 PM) *
Not following the numbers Mack? What's this mean:

5 (1, 7s)

Perez a bit too low there for my liking...

Just to clarify, Dobbo.

Robert Kubica had 1 7s, and 5s, compared to Perez who had 1 seven, 1 six and 1 five. Perez had higher of three scores compared to Kubica.


Posted by: PeteFromLeeds May 10 2019, 10:34 AM

Didn't rate in this as I didn't feel like I had enough knowledge to make an educated rate but I'm enjoying watching how the results pan out!

Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 10:56 AM

13TH= NICO HULKENBERG

5 (7, 6, 5, 2)





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consistent if unremarkable - has more often than not punched above his weight despite the lack of podium
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actually forget he's even on the grid sometimes



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A career that reminds me of Nick Heidfeld
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Solid driver. Can be relied on to score points but never to impress much

Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 11:19 AM

9TH= GEORGE RUSSELL

6 (7, 6, 6, 5)






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difficult to rate as he's in an absolute pig of a car but he's doing all he can in beating his teammate convincingly
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one to watch



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Doing his best in the machinery he has got.
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No idea if he's any good but he manages to drive around at the back pretty well

Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 11:26 AM

9TH= ALEXANDER ALBON

6 (7, 6, 6, 5)





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like what's i've seen so far - didn't know much about him at the season start but already put in some good performances
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same as dobbo



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Ditto bonus point for drive at China. Has put up in some good performances so far
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Bonus point for a good drive in China. Too soon otherwise

Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 03:10 PM

Now into the Top10:

Lewis Hamilton
Valtteri Bottas
Sebastian Vettel
Charles Leclerc
Max Verstappen
Daniel Ricciardo
Kevin Magnussen
Lando Norris
Carlos Sainz
Kimi Raikkonen


Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 03:20 PM


9TH= KEVIN MAGNUSSEN

6 (7, 6, 6, 5)






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not afraid to get his elbows out, a decent midtable performer but never destined for a top drive
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unremarkable


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Nothing but best of the midfield.
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Gutsy and not afraid to duke it out. Not race winner material without lots of luck


Posted by: Mack. May 10 2019, 03:30 PM

9TH= VALTTERI BOTTAS

6 (7, 6, 6, 5)






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solid driver but you'd never back him in close wheel-to-wheel racing against similar peforming cars
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great driver in a great car but he's so dull i barely know anything about him.



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He's quick but not a championship contender
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Solid number 2. The David Coulthard of his generation

Posted by: Mack. May 13 2019, 02:58 PM


8TH- CARLOS SAINZ

7 (9, 8, 6, 5)







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a bit overrated for me, kinda there to make up the numbers these days skirting around average teams
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i want him in a better team


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Likable driver, above average. McLaren a wrong choice?
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Decent. Likeable driver. Above average driver

Posted by: Mack. May 13 2019, 03:12 PM

7TH- LANDO NORRIS




7 (8, 7, 7, 6)


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early days but that drive in bahrain was certainly an eye-catcher, potential to be a real class talent
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looking forward to his story /what he can do


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Early days, looks capable.
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How do you give a rating for someone who's only started 3 races? Positive start so have a 6

Posted by: jakewild May 13 2019, 03:37 PM

actually quite surprised to see bottas 'only' at 9th..

lando is disappointing me a bit

Posted by: Severin May 13 2019, 10:49 PM

Norris being top 10 shows just how poor the grid is right now. Nothing against him but if drivers with years of experience and point scoring results are rated lower than a guy who has barely driven any races at all - let alone anywhere near the front... it's a damning indictment of the current crop.

And Bottas should be higher - he's much improved this year. Still pretty average but much improved

Posted by: dobbo May 14 2019, 11:38 AM

His 6th place in Bahrain inflated his score due to the recency factor.

Posted by: Mack. May 14 2019, 03:33 PM

6TH: SEBASTIAN VETTEL





7.25 (8. 7, 7, 7)

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past his best now but still capable of the odd top drive - getting outperformed by a relative rookie once again though
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a fav but time to retire soon no?


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On his day, he's good but he is capable of another world title?
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Like Hamilton is now, he used to be great when in front. Questionable under pressure. Overrated and past his best. Capable on his day. Legacy flattered by dominant cars.

Posted by: Severin May 14 2019, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(dobbo @ May 14 2019, 12:38 PM) *
His 6th place in Bahrain inflated his score due to the recency factor.

I get that, but it's massively premature. And if people are getting excited over one decent race it reflects just how little excitement the others drivers raise

Posted by: Mack. May 14 2019, 03:46 PM

5TH: KIMI RAIKKONEN


8 (10, 8, 7, 7)





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still got that amazing talent in him as seen by austin last year, great to see him stick around even if further down the grid
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a legend


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Still got talent, seems to be enjoying himself at the swansong of his career.
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Many years ago this might have been a 10. With his legacy it would be a 10. His personality would be an 11. But sadly his brilliance has faded recently.


Posted by: Mack. May 14 2019, 04:05 PM

4TH: DANIEL RICCIARDO

8.75 (10, 9, 8, 8)





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going through a rough patch right now & won't be challenging for podiums again soon but the talent is unmaskable
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needs a better car and team immediately. a wasted talent alongside ocon


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When he has a quick car, he is capable of getting wins. I hope it will all come to fruition at Renault sometime soon in the next couple of years.
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One of the best out there. Feels like Red Bull favoured quickly Verstappen and that cost him despite his clear talent. Needs a swift move away from Renault to revive career


Posted by: Mack. May 14 2019, 04:20 PM

3RD: MAX VERSTAPPEN

9.25 (10, 9, 9, 9)




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driver who you get excited for in close combat, far less error-prone & overperforming in an average car
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one of the few current drivers that truly excites me. you can always rely on him going to gold even when it looks out of the question. like severin said tho, too many errors. but they get far outweighed by his sheer courage to just push the limits.


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Quick but still makes that mistake at a crucial time. World Champion? I'm not sure he will be.
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The most exciting driver out there and were he in a Mercedes he'd be a tough challenge for Hamilton. Too many errors still

Posted by: Mack. May 15 2019, 01:18 PM

2ND: CHARLES LECLERC


9.5 (10, 10, 10, 8)




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not seen anything yet to suggest this guy ain't the real deal, surely set for dizzying heights once ferrari stop sabotaging him
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one of the best first seasons i know of so far at least..? a rookie making it all look so easy. can't wait to see his progression and inevitable championship win next yr / 2021 / when lewis retires


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One of my favourite drivers. I'm sure a first win isn't far away. A future World Champion.
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Still too early to say but has real potential and a natural talent. Can currently be found destroying Vettel's reputation

Posted by: Mack. May 15 2019, 01:34 PM

And the winner is.......


1ST: LEWIS HAMILTON

9.5 (11, 11, 11, 5) [By vitue of a higher number compared to Leclerc's]




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best car best car yada yada (not even the case sometimes) he is the don of the grid, untouchable at his best
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love to hate him. questionable actions off the grid but in the car he's untouchable.



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Not a fan of him. But he can be untouchable when he has the quickest car
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Best at qualifying and once in front. Questionable under pressure. Just makes top 20 all time despite 5 titles - Beaten by Button/Rosberg in equal cars weakens his claims as the best



So your winner is Lewis Hamilton.

I wish to thank everyone who contributed to this rate. I hope you have enjoyed the countdown so much as I have.

Look out soon in July time, for another rate where we will have our Buzzjack's Best Grand Prix where you will nominate your favourite Grand Prix's. It will be some task. But I hope you can join me in that. Many thanks. smile.gif

Posted by: jakewild May 15 2019, 01:35 PM

can't really argue with that top 5. solid start for leclerc and a future championship winner i'm sure.

i really want 2014 ricciardo back. or at least 2019 ricciardo in a better car. i'd love to see how he'd fare in a merc or ferrari but i guess that could be said for everyone.. (i'd love to see a one off race like the new w series where they all have the same car and it's all just down to skill and strategy)

deserved win for hamilton. say what you want about him (and i definitely will) but he really is one of the greatest.

Posted by: jakewild May 15 2019, 01:37 PM

and thanks a lot for hosting this mack. great job, really enjoyed it. looking forward to the best grand prix rate!

Posted by: Mack. May 15 2019, 01:43 PM

Yes, there won't be a driver like Lewis Hamilton, I don't think in the next fifteen years or so. Never did I see anyone getting near the records of Schumacher or the most pole positions that record may never been broken.


Posted by: dobbo May 15 2019, 06:01 PM

Hamilton only a 5? Are we watching the same sport or? Also there's no shame in being beaten by Button happy.gif (and everyone knows the Rosberg title was ridiculous luck)

I do wonder if my rating for Leclerc was a little premature too but I've no doubt right now he's a better driver than Vettel who's a 4-time champion so...

Probably the correct top 2 & not too much else I'd change overall.

Thanks for running this Mack, hopefully we get a little more participation for the next event!

Posted by: Severin May 15 2019, 09:12 PM

Lewis is of course a worthy winner but I'll still argue there's no real competition for him right now. With 2013 marking the last time any other top driver could actually compete on an almost level field car-wise, and the grid containing so few genuine talents for years now, his record will always flatter to deceive


Well done for hosting this though. I have thoroughly enjoyed it and really look forward to best GP thing

Posted by: Severin May 15 2019, 09:14 PM

QUOTE(dobbo @ May 15 2019, 07:01 PM) *
Hamilton only a 5? Are we watching the same sport or? Also there's no shame in being beaten by Button happy.gif (and everyone knows the Rosberg title was ridiculous luck)

Hamilton is no stranger to lucky wins either

Posted by: dobbo May 15 2019, 09:23 PM

QUOTE(Severin @ May 15 2019, 10:14 PM) *
Hamilton is no stranger to lucky wins either


Of course but by the same token he could be on 8 titles by now! As well as the aforementioned 2016 he was extremely close to winning in his debut season and could have sneaked it in 2010 as well (I recall him being taken out by webber at Singapore that year which massively dented his hopes).

Obviously he has the best car but didn't Schumacher for all those years at Ferrari too? Senna at McLaren, prost at Williams etc. etc.I always consider Fangio the GOAT myself, 4 consecutive titles in 4 different cars in the 50s era, that is the stuff of legends.

Posted by: Severin May 15 2019, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(dobbo @ May 15 2019, 10:23 PM) *
Of course but by the same token he could be on 8 titles by now! As well as the aforementioned 2016 he was extremely close to winning in his debut season and could have sneaked it in 2010 as well (I recall him being taken out by webber at Singapore that year which massively dented his hopes).

Obviously he has the best car but didn't Schumacher for all those years at Ferrari too? Senna at McLaren, prost at Williams etc. etc.I always consider Fangio the GOAT myself, 4 consecutive titles in 4 different cars in the 50s era, that is the stuff of legends.

No argument with Fangio.

Senna def had best car in 1988/9 but he also had to deal with Prost, Piquet, Mansell, Berger. Even lesser drivers like Brundle, Alesi, Arnoux came with great reputations. Didn't have the best car after that though.

Prost only won 2 of his titles in a clear cut best car and the same Mansell, Senna, Lauda, Piquet point stands

Schumacher's Benetton was the best car in 1994 for certain but the Ferrari of '96 - '00 were not better than the McLaren or williams cars . By '01 to '04 they were the best due in no small part to Schumacher's brilliance at helping develop the car. In short he both earned and helped make that car what it was.

I'm not sold on Hamilton being too important in the Mercedes technical side by comparison and his opposition drivers are not on the same level as Senna, Prost, Mansell, Lauda, Piquest, Hakkinnen, Alonso. Even Villenueve, Frentzen, Button, Montoya, Raikonnen in his prime all trounce the current field by some distance bar a couple of exceptions. I feel the Mercedes is also better than the other cars by a bigger margin than most of the other examples mentioned (not the McLaren '88, Williams '92 and '93 though, they were ridiculously supreme).

Posted by: Mack. May 15 2019, 10:49 PM

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Hamilton only a 5?


Ok, I'm the one to blame for that score, dobbo.

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