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 30th October 2022, 11:14 PM
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Couldn’t find anywhere more appropriate to celebrate the loss of the wannabe dictator in Brazil!!! Bit closer than you’d like but fash be gone!
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30th October 2022, 11:20 PM
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Fantastic news to wake up to! A great victory for Lula, though a little closer than I'd have liked.
Every news outlet seems fairly confident Bolsonaro won't try anything but that's a huge number of people who voted for him, let's hope he goes quietly. |
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30th October 2022, 11:50 PM
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Knew this topic would be about Bolsanoro losing - excellent news as there was talk of voter suppression! This is a victory for young people, the environment and LGBT rights.
I just wish and hope the UK can have a day like this after our disappointments. |
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31st October 2022, 12:14 AM
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is my brain across your walls?
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Oh hooray - I had been loosely following this and was quite alarmed at how close the first round was and the polls seeming to show it tightening even further since then so I was really worried Bolsonaro might end up squeaking by. (And sheesh I see it was less than a 2 point gap which is even closer than it was the last time I checked so that was a really narrowly averted disaster)
As I understand it the legislative elections were pretty overwhelmingly won by Bolsonaro-aligned types though so Lula is going to struggle to work with them but Bolsonaro himself being gone is still to be celebrated. Assuming he doesn't do his own 6th January. |
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31st October 2022, 08:34 AM
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Truly happy that Bolsonaro is gone! Right-wing authoritarianism must be defeated wherever it pops up.
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31st October 2022, 04:42 PM
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Well it looks like Bolsanoro hasn't conceded yet. Hmmm, remind me of some other President who lost a General Election and refused to go....
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31st October 2022, 05:29 PM
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I feel it COMING!
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An L for Neymar too. Bye!
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31st October 2022, 06:22 PM
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Great news! I was really scared when I saw Bolsonaro had overperformed in the first round. That's still far too close for comfort though, especially shocking after what happened there with the pandemic, that's a painfully divided country there.
Less great to see a lot of Bolsonaro's loyalists now make up congress so it could be really hard for Lula to get his policies through, I don't know a lot about Brazillian politics so maybe there's another way for him but the change will be for nothing if he can't actually make a substantial difference there. I just want the Amazon rainforest safe tbh  Oh and yay, another right-wing leader who won't accept defeat, anyone noticing a pattern here? :/ |
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31st October 2022, 06:59 PM
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Good news! Hopefully we'll see more shifts to the left in countries around the world in the coming years.
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1st November 2022, 04:24 AM
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QUOTE(Silence of the Wombats @ Oct 31 2022, 06:22 PM)  Great news! I was really scared when I saw Bolsonaro had overperformed in the first round. That's still far too close for comfort though, especially shocking after what happened there with the pandemic, that's a painfully divided country there. Less great to see a lot of Bolsonaro's loyalists now make up congress so it could be really hard for Lula to get his policies through, I don't know a lot about Brazillian politics so maybe there's another way for him but the change will be for nothing if he can't actually make a substantial difference there. I just want the Amazon rainforest safe tbh Oh and yay, another right-wing leader who won't accept defeat, anyone noticing a pattern here? :/ Brazil's president is fairly powerful and the congress is pretty fragmented between conservatives who hate Bolsonaro, Bolsonaro loyalists as well as a swathe of the leftists, as well as centrists that Lula brought onside with his VP pick - I think I saw a projection of 90% less Amazon deforestation under Lula in comparison to Bolsonaro. It won't be as progressive as Lula's first adminstration, because of the interest groups he had to appeal to to kick out the fash (this is what a smart Bernie or Corbyn run would have done also btw), which was wildly successful and only tarnished because of the alleged corruption scandal that came after, but it should be a damn sight better than Bolsonaro. QUOTE(Envoirment @ Oct 31 2022, 06:59 PM) Good news! Hopefully we'll see more shifts to the left in countries around the world in the coming years. I enjoy this (rather ridiculous) map that at least shows the majority of the Americas is now under a left or centre-left government as it should be: though yes, the Democrats are exactly the same as the Cuban Communist Party and the Peronism of Argentina, clearly. And Trudeau as left is laughable. Below is a better one: |
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1st November 2022, 05:11 AM
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Calling the yanks left is also hilarious. At best, they’re centre-right by European/ROTW/Normal standards. Even AOC and Sanders are barely Center-left
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1st November 2022, 12:22 PM
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Don't be so harsh on the Democrats. They are doing a good job considering the situation America is in.
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2nd November 2022, 04:26 AM
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Good news from Denmark, the inverse of what happened in Sweden in September seems to have happened, the ruling Social Democrats have just about kept their majority, are still the largest party, and the main conservative party crumbled. Some 'moderates' are looking to deny both left and right blocs a majority but it seems like the left have just squeaked it to continue ruling.
Less good over in Israel, we get rid of Bolsonaro and just days later it seems as if another one of the populist fash is back. Netanyahu and Likud might be able to build a coalition with a new party, the far-right Religious Zionists (what a name) to return him to power. Very much not good, but results aren't finalised yet and maybe the centrist-left-Arab nationalist coalition that's been governing since Bibi was ousted can win something back. |
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2nd November 2022, 07:37 AM
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Was howling earlier at Denmark being so heavily fragmented that parties are only shown on polling by a single letter because there’s no room for anything else
 Some moderately good further news from Brasilia - their tinpot pol pot has said he will follow the constitutional process. Ie he has conceded and will engage in a peaceful transfer of power without explicitly conceding because he’s a baby |
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2nd November 2022, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Nov 2 2022, 07:37 AM) Was howling earlier at Denmark being so heavily fragmented that parties are only shown on polling by a single letter because there’s no room for anything else Ha, I was counting those earlier - how do people even think to choose between Denmark Democrats, Liberal Alliance, Conservatives Party, Venstre, New Right, People's Party - all, from what I can tell, slightly varying versions of 'classical liberatarian'/conservative/right populist bullshit. And they have a Green-Left and Red-Green Alliance to support the mainstream left. Though as the governing party, I do know a bit more about Denmark's Social Democrats, they're far from the greatest socdems, at least that they're not great on immigration (which unfortunately is probably a big reason why they didn't suffer the same fate as Sweden's socdems). Brazil's similar actually, except there nearly every single party is called some version of 'Socialist Democratic Party'. Makes my Wikipedia crawls and snap judgement of international parties based on how red their colour is and the political positions listed in their info-box take a lot longer than they would otherwise. |
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7th December 2022, 09:14 PM
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There’s been a “coup” in Peru
Far-left president who was about to be impeached disolved congress and decided to rule by decree. This apparently seems to have been ignored by basically everyone. Also in ROTW politics today, seeing as we’re talking of failed Coup attempts, over in Germany 25 people were arrested in a series of dawn raids involving thousands of cops across 11 of Germanys 16 states in an investigation into part of the Reichsbürger movement (a movement that claims the current Federal Republic of Germany is illegitimate and illegal because some old constitution wasn’t repealed properly and blahblahbullshit) and an active and advancing plot to overthrow the federal government by force. This movement is far-right, deeeeeeeeeeeeeeep into QAnon and Querdenker shit and also entirely illegal in Germany. Displaying their symbols and being a member is the same as the equivalent of the literal Nazi party (ie you go to jail) because the Germans aren’t so tolerant of folks whose aim it is to overthrow a democratic government. |
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8th December 2022, 12:21 AM
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Castillo was completely useless as a leader from what I could tell, went against everyone in his system from the moment he was elected and was rather conservative socially for a 'leftist', no big loss and probably entirely necessary to stop that country falling to someone like a Fujimori again.
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19th January 2023, 02:43 AM
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Jacinda Ardern resigning as New Zealand PM next month.
Damn, she was really good, but best to go out while you can still be remembered fondly (and whenever I see Kiwis online they're always ready to talk her down so I get the sense she was getting somewhat less popular domestically) |
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19th January 2023, 04:19 AM
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Shame. I have a lot of time for Ardern. She lead well through a lot of difficult moments
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2nd April 2023, 07:10 AM
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Finland's parliamentary election is today, just days after they got their NATO application approved to go through.
I'm a bit nervy about this one as it does look like Sanna Marin's Social Democrat party could be on track to get the same fate that their Swedish counterparts got last year: the mainstream conservative party and the centrists sell every principle to go into coalition with an ascendant far-right party (called 'Finns') after a vote share with all the many parties counted up ends up equalling as close to 50-50 as is possible. or there's a wide coalition between SDP and KOK (conservatives), which would be at least not 'far-right gets into power again'. |
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