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Posted by: shadow2009 17th September 2014, 03:49 PM

Has that ever really happened? I mean, you check the wikipedia discography pages of Rihanna/One Direction etc and you'll find that their singles perform almost exactly the same worldwide (first few singles top three around the globe and then their later singles mostly all going top 30 around the globe) but I've never really saw a song go #1 everywhere and then peak at something like #12 in New Zealand, or a worldwide #1 with a #26 peak in Canada.

You can pretty much always predict how well a song will do in the UK based on it's worldwide performance. If a song hits #1 in a few countries and it's rising up the US iTunes you know it'll be massive here as well. If a song (for example Here's To Never Growing Up by Avril Lavigne) scrapes top 20 in some countries and barely top 40 in others then you kinda know it'll go to something like #14 here and then dissapear the next week. It would be bloody weird if that song flopped everywhere and suddenly was a big #1 in the UK.

Posted by: Rush 17th September 2014, 03:51 PM

Not a flop, but Stolen Dance (in the UK)?

Posted by: Dircadirca 17th September 2014, 03:55 PM

Well, apparently its charting was just off airplay with no single released, but "My Heart Will Go On" has an amusing outlier peak of #34 in New Zealand tongue.gif

Posted by: Therm• 17th September 2014, 03:59 PM

Waka Waka was a #1 in 10 countries but only went to #21 in the UK (it still sold well but wasn't massive)

Alors on Danse too, #1 in 7 countries, #25 in the UK (also flopped in Ireland and North America)

Stolen Dance is a good shout, it also underperformed in Denmark and North America

Posted by: Dobbo 17th September 2014, 04:01 PM

Ai Se Eu Te Pego in UK, although you did strictly say "one country" and that also did nothing in North America...

Posted by: Liаm 17th September 2014, 04:03 PM

Ai se eu te pego is probably up there, it was colossal all over Europe but I think it flopped in the US, UK, Ireland and Australia (4 countries but still!).

Posted by: AcerBen 17th September 2014, 04:04 PM

Celine Dion's "Think Twice" flopping hard in the States springs to mind

Posted by: Dircadirca 17th September 2014, 04:04 PM

QUOTE(Therm• @ Sep 17 2014, 03:59 PM) *
Stolen Dance is a good shout, it also underperformed in Denmark and North America

It's still going in the US, it hasn't been officially sent to pop radio, but just recently went #1 on Alternative, so maybe give it 6 months laugh.gif

Posted by: Vidcapper 17th September 2014, 04:34 PM

Colbie Caillat - Bubbly.

It went T10 in a number of countries, but never got higher than #58 here. cry.gif

Posted by: n4yr 17th September 2014, 04:42 PM

O-Zone - Dragostea Din Tie. Went top 3 all over Europe, but did nothing in North America. Well, until Rihanna got her hands on it, anyway. tongue.gif

Posted by: { bré } 17th September 2014, 05:04 PM

QUOTE(Dircadirca @ Sep 17 2014, 04:55 PM) *
Well, apparently its charting was just off airplay with no single released, but "My Heart Will Go On" has an amusing outlier peak of #34 in New Zealand tongue.gif


That's still too high for that song.

Posted by: fchd 17th September 2014, 05:50 PM

Most of Abba's songs reaching number ones all over the world but barely registering in the US?

Posted by: Col1967 17th September 2014, 06:48 PM

Not exactly a 'Wordwide hit' as such but Thomas Dolby's 'She Blinded me with Science' reached no.5 in the US and no.1 in Canada yet only got to no.49 in his native UK.

Posted by: Col1967 17th September 2014, 06:50 PM

QUOTE(fchd @ Sep 17 2014, 06:50 PM) *
Most of Abba's songs reaching number ones all over the world but barely registering in the US?

I think 'Dancing Queen' got to no.1 in the US though, but they never really had any sustained success stateside.

Posted by: mr_aly 17th September 2014, 08:07 PM

I always found it really odd when I looked at the worldwide peaks of 'Just Dance' and it missed the top 10 in both Belgium and France.

01 Canada
01 UK
01 Ireland
01 US
01 Australia
03 NZ
03 Sweden
03 Spain
03 Norway
04 Holland
06 Denmark
07 Finland
08 Switzerland
08 Austria
10 Germany
13 Belgium (Flanders)
14 France

Posted by: Noahspike 17th September 2014, 08:16 PM

France regularly trolls artists' discographies on wikipedia with uniquely low peaks, especially for albums drama.gif. In fact, I just noticed someone (Joseph?!) has removed France's double-figured peaks from One Direction's page ohmy.gif.

Posted by: Chez Wombat 17th September 2014, 08:34 PM

One of the biggest selling singles and most well known songs of all time, Bohemian Rhapsody, apparently only peaked at 15 in France and 18 in Sweden ohmy.gif (this is just wikipedia knowledge mind)

Posted by: ___∆___ 17th September 2014, 08:54 PM

Whilst not 'worldwide' hits but certainly charting in many countries Celine seems to have been a victim a few times -

The Power of Love - #1 in USA, Canada, Australia. Top 10 UK, Belgium, France, New Zeland and Top 20 in several other countries, Peaked at #57 in Germany.

Think Twice - Million selling #1 in the UK and scrapped the Top 100 peaking at #95 in the USA.

Cher -

Shoop Shoop Song - #1 in Austria, Ireland, UK, Norway, Spain. Top 10 in Australia, Belgium, Canada, Holland, France, Germany, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland - Missed the USA Top 30 and peaked at #33.

Also Germany has let down Mariah Carey lots of times on tracks which have been Top 10 in every other country they have been released in and barely make the Top 40 there.

Posted by: Envoirment 17th September 2014, 09:20 PM

Jennifer Rush "Power Of Love". Was a huge hit here and in many other countries but peaked at #32 in France & #57 in the US.

Boney M "Rivers of Babylon" was also huge worldwide, but missed the top 10 in Italy (#11) and peaked at 24 in Canada, #30 in the US.

Pretty sure there are many other examples, especially with the US being an outlier in terms of a song's success.

Posted by: •CDC• 17th September 2014, 09:28 PM

QUOTE(Noahspike @ Sep 17 2014, 09:16 PM) *
France regularly trolls artists' discographies on wikipedia with uniquely low peaks, especially for albums drama.gif. In fact, I just noticed someone (Joseph?!) has removed France's double-figured peaks from One Direction's page ohmy.gif.


I've noticed this a lot before.

Posted by: popchartfreak 17th September 2014, 09:34 PM

QUOTE(Col1967 @ Sep 17 2014, 07:50 PM) *
I think 'Dancing Queen' got to no.1 in the US though, but they never really had any sustained success stateside.

that's a myth, happily. A number one, 4 top 10's, 10 Top 20's, 14 Top 40's over an 8-year period. Most non-US acts would kill for that sort of success these days....

They weren't as huge as the rest of the Western world in the States, but still fairly successful and some of them weren't released as singles in the UK.

How about last year's Safe And Sound (Capital Cities) which bombed in the UK, seemed to be big most places (I stand to be corrected though cos I havent checked!) laugh.gif


Posted by: marcin 17th September 2014, 10:34 PM

- Swedish House Mafia - Don't You Worry Child
Top 10 pretty much everywhere, only #37 peak in France

- The Script feat. Will.i.am - Hall Of Fame
Top 20 easily everywhere, barely #60 peak in France

- Snoop Dogg & Wiz Khalifa feat. Bruno Mars - Young, Wild & Free
Top 20 all around Europe and Oceania, #44 peak in the UK (didn't chart in Spain though)

- Chris Brown - Yeah 3X
Again high peaks practically everywhere except from France (#59) and no chart entry in Spain

- Cee-Lo Green - f*** You
Another example of France sticking out (#84) in terms of peaks with Spain missing this hit completely

- Flo Rida feat. David Guetta - Club Can't Handle Me
Mainly Top 10 around the world with Guetta's homeland of France bizarrely ranking it at #72 only

- B.o.B feat. Hayley Williams - Airplanes
Among all the Top 10's France looks again weird with a peak of #89, no chart success in Spain either

- Inna - Hot
Top 10/20 in most of European countries bar Germany where it peaked at #80

- Kings Of Leon - Sex On Fire
No entry in Spain and a single week in the French Top 200 (at #169) for this million seller

- Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love
Top 3 basically all over the world meanwhile a poor peak of #38 in Spain

- Rihanna - Don't Stop The Music
Once again Spaniards surprised with a low #41 peak having been its single week in their Top 50

- Mika - Grace Kelly
Top 10 easily all over Europe when in France it only reached #82 (now on the other hand he's huge over there!)

- Shakira feat. Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie
A Top 5 hit virtually everywhere but it flopped in Sweden peaking at a low #45

- Red Hot Chili Peppers - Dani California
It was a smash making loads of Top 10's but France lagged behind with a #57 peak

- James Blunt - You're Beautiful
Huge success with many number 1's but Spain gave it just 2 weeks of chart presence with a peak of #43

- Snoop Dogg feat. Charlie Wilson & Justin Timberlake - Signs
In Sweden it only reached #58 in spite of many Top 10/20's under its belt elsewhere

- Daddy Yankee - Gasolina
Another worldwide smash that only charted as low as #44 in Sweden

Posted by: Dobbo 17th September 2014, 11:30 PM

Wow, France & Spain don't like mainstream hits!

Posted by: { bré } 17th September 2014, 11:31 PM

I think (though I may be wrong) France's chart was still based on physical sales only until very recently hence the outliers.

Posted by: Harve 18th September 2014, 12:01 AM

[quote name='popchartfreak' date='Sep 17 2014, 09:34 PM' post='4811561'
How about last year's Safe And Sound (Capital Cities) which bombed in the UK, seemed to be big most places (I stand to be corrected though cos I havent checked!) laugh.gif
[/quote]
I don't really follow the charts anymore and I'd never had guessed that only reached #42 in the UK, because even in the UK it seemed to be everywhere for like 2 years straight?! Even given that I thought it'd be something that would stay in the charts for weeks on end, but Polyhex tells me it managed just one week in the top 75. Curious.

Posted by: Jonjo 18th September 2014, 12:09 AM

For some reason I'm really expecting 'Safe & Sound' to get some sort of reality TV show boost (maybe this year on XF?) and become a pretty moderate sized hit.

Posted by: BillyH 18th September 2014, 01:36 AM

France is filled with a lot of French language hits that will push English ones further down the charts. On the flipside of the thread, most of the biggest-selling hits in French history haven't charted in many other countries.

All the ones I can think of are, as many have already mentioned, huge European hits that were huge everywhere except the UK - biggest is La Bouche's 'Be My Lover', #27 in UK but a big #1 or top 5 hit in most of the rest of Europe.

Posted by: mr_aly 18th September 2014, 10:23 AM

'Safe And Sound' is one of those tracks I still hear around an awful lot, but at the time the likes of Radio 1 wouldn't go for it which was just bizarre. Maybe one day it will get a second wind from somewhere.

Posted by: marcin 18th September 2014, 10:56 AM

QUOTE({ bré } @ Sep 18 2014, 01:31 AM) *
I think (though I may be wrong) France's chart was still based on physical sales only until very recently hence the outliers.

They incorporated digital sales in January 2011, next month they're adding streams.

France is an interesting market where a lot of worldwide blockbuster hits flop or underperform meanwhile some other international minor hits are able to do big things (Rihanna's "Man Down", Starsailor's "Four To The Floor", DJ Bobo's "Chihuahua", Gala's "Let A Boy Cry" were all #1 hits there).

Posted by: gooddelta 18th September 2014, 11:06 AM

I had no idea Hips Don't Lie only got to No.45 in Sweden!?! ohmy.gif And then Waka Waka was a No.1 that charted there for 58 weeks! Truly bizarre!

Posted by: Mango 18th September 2014, 11:15 AM

QUOTE(marcin @ Sep 18 2014, 11:56 AM) *
They incorporated digital sales in January 2011, next month they're adding streams.

France is an interesting market where a lot of worldwide blockbuster hits flop or underperform meanwhile some other international minor hits are able to do big things (Rihanna's "Man Down", Starsailor's "Four To The Floor", DJ Bobo's "Chihuahua", Gala's "Let A Boy Cry" were all #1 hits there).

"Let A Boy Cry" wub.gif

Posted by: MyKindOfLove 18th September 2014, 03:20 PM

I believe in France, there is a rule where 60% of the artists on French Radio and TV have to be French or French language, hence the low peaks of international hits. The French are VERY PROTECTIVE of their own culture and language. Spain is the same too.

Posted by: Dobbo 18th September 2014, 03:32 PM

QUOTE(MyKindOfLove @ Sep 19 2014, 03:20 AM) *
The French are VERY PROTECTIVE of their own culture and language.


Now THAT is irrefutable.

Posted by: buzz_person 18th September 2014, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(marcin @ Sep 18 2014, 11:56 PM) *
They incorporated digital sales in January 2011, next month they're adding streams.

France is an interesting market where a lot of worldwide blockbuster hits flop or underperform meanwhile some other international minor hits are able to do big things (Rihanna's "Man Down", Starsailor's "Four To The Floor", DJ Bobo's "Chihuahua", Gala's "Let A Boy Cry" were all #1 hits there).


I'm honestly surprised that it took SNEP that quick to add streams and such a long time to add downloads.

QUOTE(MyKindOfLove @ Sep 19 2014, 04:20 AM) *
I believe in France, there is a rule where 60% of the artists on French Radio and TV have to be French or French language, hence the low peaks of international hits. The French are VERY PROTECTIVE of their own culture and language. Spain is the same too.


Exactly. Top album charts in France are dominated by French artists and NRJ compilations. Taylor Swift's last album only made Top 30 with 30k sales there and Ariana's new album only made Top 20. In the singles charts, it tends to be mixed, especially as of recent. It should be interesting how it will shape up when streaming gets added next month. After all, The French streams way more than they download.

Posted by: Therm• 18th September 2014, 03:52 PM

QUOTE(MyKindOfLove @ Sep 18 2014, 04:20 PM) *
I believe in France, there is a rule where 60% of the artists on French Radio and TV have to be French or French language, hence the low peaks of international hits. The French are VERY PROTECTIVE of their own culture and language. Spain is the same too.

Isn't there a similar rule for the UK regarding British artists getting airtime too? There's certainly a lot of homegrown acts on the radio 1 playlist at any time.

The Safe and Sound situation reminds me of Classic, where the BBC decided it was more of a radio 2 song so didn't reach its full chart potential. (I don't think either of them were playlisted by R1). Except Classic actually did decently in the chart

Posted by: Ryan. 18th September 2014, 04:36 PM

On a European scale, Lena's 'Satellite' was top 10 just about everywhere but only got to #30 here after a late release on the week after her Eurovision win. It only missed the top 10 in a couple of other countries - most notably Spain and The Netherlands.

Posted by: ▲Rob▲ 18th September 2014, 05:21 PM

Britney 'I Wanna Go'

I'm sure it went top 10 in the US, but didn't go top 100 in the UK...

Posted by: fchd 18th September 2014, 05:27 PM

QUOTE(▲Rob▲ @ Sep 18 2014, 06:21 PM) *
Britney 'I Wanna Go'

I'm sure it went top 10 in the US, but didn't go top 100 in the UK...


But that's hardly one country "snubbing" it - if Wikipedia can be believed the only other countries where it made the Top 10 were Korea, France, Flanders & Finland

Posted by: marcin 18th September 2014, 10:38 PM

A couple of other examples with not always only ONE country where the song underperforms but often it's the whole region.


- John Newman - Love Me Again
It only made #34 in Sweden despite going Top 10 in almost every other European country + Oceania

- Olly Murs feat. Flo Rida - Troublemaker
It performed very poorly in the Netherlands spending only 7 weeks in their Top 100 with a #66 peak

- Miley Cyrus - We Can't Stop
Top 20 nearly everywhere, even in France it reached #26 however in the Netherlands only #48

- Wiz Khalifa feat. 2 Chainz - We Own It
Multiple Top 10's and Top 20's but a mere 3 weeks in the Dutch Top 100 (peak: #48, even lower than in Spain where rap doesn't usually sell at all)

- OneRepublic - Stop And Stare
Somehow their Dutch profile is pretty irrelevant even more than the UK one prior to "Counting Stars" but this old hit only reached #46 in Holland despite succeeding in the UK

- Asaf Avidan & The Mojos - One Day/Reckoning Song
Top 10 across the whole continental Europe but a low Top 30 in the UK and - not unexpectedly - #33 in Spain

- Lykke Li - I Follow Rivers
Top 5 in practically each pan-European country thanks to the Magicians remix which wasn't apparently released in the UK, bizarrely her homeland Sweden only ranked the song at #44 and its neighbour Denmark at #40

- Gossip - Heavy Cross
Poor performance in the UK (low Top 40) although it went Top 5/Top 10 in most markets with even a #23 peak in France

- David Guetta feat. Nicki Minaj - Turn Me On
Big success worthy of at least a Top 30 place everywhere bar the Netherlands where it peaked at #68

- Kelly Clarkson - Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)
See as above, it never went higher than #59 in Holland, at least Top 30 elsewhere

- Eminem - Not Afraid
Top 15 everywhere, #29 in Spain, #97 in France

- Jason Derulo - In My Head
Top 20 all around and only #43 peak in the Netherlands

Posted by: mr_aly 18th September 2014, 10:40 PM

'Heavy Cross' should've been a big hit sad.gif (same also with the last album's singles).

Posted by: house.martin 19th September 2014, 10:01 AM

Mull of Kintyre by Wings, one time UK's biggest ever hit (before Band Aid) I believe missed the US top 40, possibly even missing the top 100
Wasn't 99 Red Balloons by Nena originally released in the UK in German, and didn't reach the top 40, until an English version was released? Off topic???

Posted by: The Hit Parade 19th September 2014, 11:17 PM

'Mull Of Kintyre' wasn't the A-side of the single in the US - they promoted 'Girls School' instead and peaked at 33. Paul McCartney's solo Number One 'Pipes Of Peace' was also flipped in the States, though at least that still made Top 30 there.
Conversely, 'Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey' (credited to Paul & Linda McCartney) was a US Number One that wasn't released as a single in the UK - they released 'Back Seat Of My Car' here and it only got to 39, which was a massive flop for him in 1971.

Posted by: *Tim 20th September 2014, 05:30 PM

QUOTE(marcin @ Sep 18 2014, 10:38 PM) *
- Olly Murs feat. Flo Rida - Troublemaker
It performed very poorly in the Netherlands spending only 7 weeks in their Top 100 with a #66 peak

- Miley Cyrus - We Can't Stop
Top 20 nearly everywhere, even in France it reached #26 however in the Netherlands only #48

- Wiz Khalifa feat. 2 Chainz - We Own It
Multiple Top 10's and Top 20's but a mere 3 weeks in the Dutch Top 100 (peak: #48, even lower than in Spain where rap doesn't usually sell at all)

- OneRepublic - Stop And Stare
Somehow their Dutch profile is pretty irrelevant even more than the UK one prior to "Counting Stars" but this old hit only reached #46 in Holland despite succeeding in the UK

- David Guetta feat. Nicki Minaj - Turn Me On
Big success worthy of at least a Top 30 place everywhere bar the Netherlands where it peaked at #68

- Kelly Clarkson - Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)
See as above, it never went higher than #59 in Holland, at least Top 30 elsewhere

- Jason Derulo - In My Head
Top 20 all around and only #43 peak in the Netherlands

Gosh I didn't know we were such trolls drama.gif

But these stats seem to be based on our sales chart, which is like the Digital Songs Chart in the US.
On our "official" chart, aka the top 40 based on streams and airplay (previously included sales instead of streaming until very recently), some of these songs did much better due to their massive airplay.

One Republic reached #18, Turn Me On reached #36 and In My Head reached #13. The rest didn't reach that chart so they flopped rightfully

(Soz but it irks me when people use different charts from the "official" laugh.gif)

EDIT: The Netherlands is probably the biggest troll to Britney Spears. We hate her hear, which results in her solo top 20 hit being over 9 years ago, while she continues to be remotely succesfull in the rest of the world

Posted by: marcin 20th September 2014, 08:46 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Sep 20 2014, 07:30 PM) *
Gosh I didn't know we were such trolls drama.gif

But these stats seem to be based on our sales chart, which is like the Digital Songs Chart in the US.
On our "official" chart, aka the top 40 based on streams and airplay (previously included sales instead of streaming until very recently), some of these songs did much better due to their massive airplay.

One Republic reached #18, Turn Me On reached #36 and In My Head reached #13. The rest didn't reach that chart so they flopped rightfully

(Soz but it irks me when people use different charts from the "official" laugh.gif)

EDIT: The Netherlands is probably the biggest troll to Britney Spears. We hate her hear, which results in her solo top 20 hit being over 9 years ago, while she continues to be remotely succesfull in the rest of the world

Of course I always use only the sales charts, even for the USA.
Additionally in the Netherlands the sales Top 100 has the official status so it duly is usually referred to when analysing chart performance in your country. smile.gif
Practically each country except from the United States uses sales (+ streaming) as indicator of success. If a song is high on airplay but people refuse to buy or stream it, it definitely doesn't deserve to chart high. OneRepublic's music is for instance very radio-friendly so it would automatically mean all their tracks are hits which obviously is not the case. Even their most loyal public in Germany didn't particularly like "Something I Need" in spite of its exposure and the song flopped even though almost every other single from them is an instant smash over there.

When it comes to Spears, she's also pretty irrelevant these days in Germany, Austria and a couple of other markets including the UK so you're not alone there in the Netherlands. wink.gif

Posted by: !Khimaros! 20th September 2014, 08:57 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Sep 20 2014, 05:30 PM) *
Gosh I didn't know we were such trolls drama.gif



Yooooou radical TROLLS!!!!! mad.gif

Posted by: Acidburn 21st September 2014, 12:23 AM

Kylie's "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" which was #1 almost everywhere, but in Canada only managed #55. Also "I Should Be So Lucky" which again a hit practically everywhere but in USA only #28 and Canada #61. "The Locomotion" successful everywhere but the Netherlands were it only peaked at #40.

Britney Spears "Sometimes" which hit top 10 mostly everywhere but only managed a #21 peak in the USA. And okay not a flop but "Oops I Did It Again" only managed #9 in the USA and worldwide it was top 5. "Me Against The Music" a smash worldwide but #35 in the USA.

Madonna - Material Girl, top 20 everywhere apart from France where it peaked at #47 and again "Cherish" a worldwide top 20 smash but #21 in France, even "Vogue" only managed a #9 peak. "Secret" #29 over there as well. "American Pie" a smash hit everywhere but only #29 in USA. Also "Hung Up" which didn't flop but #1 everywhere but #7 in the USA.

Rihanna - Only Girl (In The World) #26 in Brazil and also "S&M" #25 in Brazil.

Maroon 5's - This Love #26 in Sweden.

Katy Perry - I Kissed A Girl (#19 Spain)
Katy Perry - Teenage Dream (#22 Hungary, #21 Sweden)
Katy Perry - Firework (#27 Japan)
Katy Perry - E.T. (#24 Belgium (Flanders)
Katy Perry - Part Of Me (#48 Spain) (top 40 everywhere else)
Katy Perry - Roar (#81 Slovakia)
Katy Perry - Dark Horse (#91 Japan)

One Direction - What Makes You Beautiful (#63 Netherlands)
One Direction - One Way Or Another (#28 Sweden)
One Direction - Best Song Ever - (#85 Czech Republic)
One Direction - Story Of My Life (#99 Czech Republic)


Posted by: n4yr 21st September 2014, 12:41 AM

I believe the reason why "Sometimes" and "Oops!... I Did It Again" peaked so low in the US is because neither were given a physical release there, and charted on airplay only.

What's regarded as Canada's official chart during the 2001-mid 2007 time period was the physical single sales only chart; which is essentially irrelevant because physical single sales were practically nothing in that time period.

Posted by: Eric_Blob 21st September 2014, 02:20 AM

The general trend seems to be songs by black artists not charting well in some European country or dance songs not charting well in the US.

Posted by: ¿ REY CARLOS ? 21st September 2014, 07:33 AM

There MUST be a reason for this but "Stan" only made #51 in the US.

Posted by: SKOB 21st September 2014, 08:48 AM

That's a great example!

Posted by: Eric_Blob 21st September 2014, 11:25 AM

QUOTE(¿ REY CARLOS ? @ Sep 21 2014, 08:33 AM) *
There MUST be a reason for this but "Stan" only made #51 in the US.


Don't know why, but I'd suspect it's something to do with the song's lack of airplay (only #33 on pop radio and #36 on urban radio), which is factored into the US chart. Maybe the song had limited availability in US stores too or something.

Posted by: *Tim 21st September 2014, 11:38 AM

QUOTE(marcin @ Sep 20 2014, 08:46 PM) *
Of course I always use only the sales charts, even for the USA.
Additionally in the Netherlands the sales Top 100 has the official status so it duly is usually referred to when analysing chart performance in your country. smile.gif
Practically each country except from the United States uses sales (+ streaming) as indicator of success. If a song is high on airplay but people refuse to buy or stream it, it definitely doesn't deserve to chart high. OneRepublic's music is for instance very radio-friendly so it would automatically mean all their tracks are hits which obviously is not the case. Even their most loyal public in Germany didn't particularly like "Something I Need" in spite of its exposure and the song flopped even though almost every other single from them is an instant smash over there.

When it comes to Spears, she's also pretty irrelevant these days in Germany, Austria and a couple of other markets including the UK so you're not alone there in the Netherlands. wink.gif

I think you missed the point.
The sales chart is NOT the official chart, the top 40 is. It's regarded the most representative of the Dutch taste, due to artist not being able to buy themselves their chart positions.

Posted by: marcin 21st September 2014, 01:37 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Sep 21 2014, 01:38 PM) *
I think you missed the point.
The sales chart is NOT the official chart, the top 40 is. It's regarded the most representative of the Dutch taste, due to artist not being able to buy themselves their chart positions.

You're wrong, Tim. The Netherlands has 3 official charts:

Single Top 100
Dutch Top 40
Mega Top 50

There's nothing like "representativity of Dutch (or any other nation's) taste" as the nation as a whole obviously has no taste of its own. Each of the above charts is compiled differently and one may indeed argue that the Top 40 represents the best what seems like the most popular current songs around. Nevertheless, it uses airplay data which is why it doesn't represent what people select to consume unlike in every other European country. If we are to compare successes in various territories, let's not mix apples with pears. When we use the Official UK Sales Chart to determine the song's status in the British Isles, it's logical to look at the sales chart from the Netherlands as well especially if it IS official, just like the combined one.

Posted by: marcin 21st September 2014, 01:46 PM

QUOTE(Acidburn @ Sep 21 2014, 02:23 AM) *
Madonna - Material Girl, top 20 everywhere apart from France where it peaked at #47 and again "Cherish" a worldwide top 20 smash but #21 in France, even "Vogue" only managed a #9 peak. "Secret" #29 over there as well. "American Pie" a smash hit everywhere but only #29 in USA. Also "Hung Up" which didn't flop but #1 everywhere but #7 in the USA.

"Secret" was a smash in France reaching #2, it was in Germany where it stalled at #29.
"Cherish" wasn't such a huge hit in Madonna's discography so its French peak of #21 wasn't such a big disappointment after all.
"American Pie" wasn't released in the USA so it shouldn't count in here.

Besides, Brazil and Czech Republic don't have sales chart, their official rankings have always been based on airplay, only recently some digital and streaming charts start to emerge.

Posted by: *Tim 21st September 2014, 03:09 PM

QUOTE(marcin @ Sep 21 2014, 01:37 PM) *
You're wrong, Tim. The Netherlands has 3 official charts:

Single Top 100
Dutch Top 40
Mega Top 50

There's nothing like "representativity of Dutch (or any other nation's) taste" as the nation as a whole obviously has no taste of its own. Each of the above charts is compiled differently and one may indeed argue that the Top 40 represents the best what seems like the most popular current songs around. Nevertheless, it uses airplay data which is why it doesn't represent what people select to consume unlike in every other European country. If we are to compare successes in various territories, let's not mix apples with pears. When we use the Official UK Sales Chart to determine the song's status in the British Isles, it's logical to look at the sales chart from the Netherlands as well especially if it IS official, just like the combined one.

Lord... Do I need to spell it out for you?
Nobody uses the single top 100. The mega top 50 is a chart compiled by a radio station called 3FM and dear lord do you seriously think I wouldn't know the charts of my own country?!

Posted by: marcin 21st September 2014, 03:18 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Sep 21 2014, 05:09 PM) *
Lord... Do I need to spell it out for you?
Nobody uses the single top 100. The mega top 50 is a chart compiled by a radio station called 3FM and dear lord do you seriously think I wouldn't know the charts of my own country?!

I'm not a lord (yet) wink.gif
You can spell what you want. It won't change the fact that the singles Top 100 is official whether you like it or not. wink.gif
It wouldn't have been given the official status if no-one had used it (used for what by the way?)
I'm not saying you don't know the charts of your own country but their knowledge is public so one doesn't have to live in your country to know them.

Posted by: Hayzayy 21st September 2014, 03:28 PM

How many number 1's will Jessie J have with Bang Bang?

Posted by: bobiloko 21st September 2014, 11:26 PM

"Zombie" by The Cranberries was a HUGE hit all across Europe... yet somehow only reached number 14 in the UK chart...

Posted by: Luciano 21st September 2014, 11:36 PM

QUOTE(bobiloko @ Sep 22 2014, 12:26 AM) *
"Zombie" by The Cranberries was a HUGE hit all across Europe... yet somehow only reached number 14 in the UK chart...


So weird for them, I remember "Linger" having big airplay too and only reaching No.14. I think it was more of a case of people deciding to buy the albums instead, as both "Anybody Else..." and "No Need To Argue" were huge.

Posted by: fchd 22nd September 2014, 09:57 AM

QUOTE(marcin @ Sep 21 2014, 04:18 PM) *
I'm not a lord (yet) wink.gif
You can spell what you want. It won't change the fact that the singles Top 100 is official whether you like it or not. wink.gif
It wouldn't have been given the official status if no-one had used it (used for what by the way?)
I'm not saying you don't know the charts of your own country but their knowledge is public so one doesn't have to live in your country to know them.


Yet you are getting it wrong time after time. Listen to Tim. He knows.

Posted by: marcin 22nd September 2014, 04:09 PM

QUOTE(fchd @ Sep 22 2014, 11:57 AM) *
Yet you are getting it wrong time after time. Listen to Tim. He knows.

What did I get wrong?
I'm sure Tim knows and I'm glad he shares his knowledge with us.
In the never ending discussion (not only on this forum) about which Dutch chart should be used as representative, I'm in the camp of the sales one as long as it stays official, no matter what anyone says. Just like I'll never consider Billboard Hot 100 as more representative than their Digital Sales chart. smile.gif

Posted by: fchd 22nd September 2014, 04:25 PM

OK, you live in your own little world and everyone else can live in the real world.

Posted by: marcin 22nd September 2014, 07:24 PM

Every bit of my world is real, believe me. smile.gif

Posted by: JohnnyCartersBoy 22nd September 2014, 08:50 PM

Watching Cilla right now and this came to mind!

Dione Warwick released Anyone Who Had A Heart and was gernerally a success everywhere but it only reached #42 in the UK singles chart. It then only went to #1 because of Cilla's release.

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