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 15th January 2020, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 08:13 PM)  Nice to know that Michael.  The non-scab north east and Scotland want nothing to do with him. We deserve independence votes. One for Scotland and one for the north to join Scotland if they'll have us. |
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15th January 2020, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 15 2020, 08:15 PM) This is a ridiculous post dripping with trolling intent. Of course Scotland should get another referendum. It’s clear the nation don’t like where the ‘union’ is going. Utterly ridiculous for someone not Scottish and with no intention of ever visiting Scotland to say they can’t have another vote. I don't control whether they can have one or not. Boris Johnson does. I agree they should have one but not just yet. |
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15th January 2020, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 08:18 PM) I don't control whether they can have one or not. Boris Johnson does. I agree they should have one but not just yet. But why not yet? Give me a reason that isn’t ‘but they had one 6 years ago.’ I doubt that you can. |
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15th January 2020, 08:24 PM
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Why ask me? Write to Boris and ask him. He's the guy refusing one.
Has he ever actually given a reason? He must have replied to Nicola's letter by now. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 15th January 2020, 08:27 PM |
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15th January 2020, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 15 2020, 09:15 PM) The non-scab north east and Scotland want nothing to do with him. We deserve independence votes. One for Scotland and one for the north to join Scotland if they'll have us. Soz but we don’t want you. Tory and Brexit. Big pass, however we will gladly take your giant Nissan factory. We’ve already got North East Scotland and the bloody borders. Don’t need North East England holding us back too
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15th January 2020, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 08:24 PM) Why ask me? Write to Boris and ask him. He's the guy refusing one. Has he ever actually given a reason? He must have replied to Nicola's letter by now. Why am I having to write to the prime minister asking why you think they shouldn’t have another referendum for twenty years? You said that in this thread. Why can’t you ever back up anything you say? You just hide behind the prime minister all the time. |
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15th January 2020, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 08:24 PM) Why ask me? Write to Boris and ask him. He's the guy refusing one. Has he ever actually given a reason? He must have replied to Nicola's letter by now. Are you the spokesman for Johnson on the politics forum?? You recite him and say well that's what he said when challenged - that's trolling! |
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15th January 2020, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 15 2020, 08:34 PM) Why am I having to write to the prime minister asking why you think they shouldn’t have another referendum for twenty years? You said that in this thread. Why can’t you ever back up anything you say? You just hide behind the prime minister all the time. I just think it's not long enough since the last referendum. Some people want to keep having them until they get the result they want. What would you say if it was another vote to stay in the UK? Have another and another? They're expensive, cost millions! |
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15th January 2020, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jan 15 2020, 08:45 PM) Are you the spokesman for Johnson on the politics forum?? You recite him and say well that's what he said when challenged - that's trolling! Oh stop bullying me. Vid posed the question. He didn't even asked you to explain your answer. |
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15th January 2020, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 08:49 PM) I just think it's not long enough since the last referendum. Some people want to keep having them until they get the result they want. What would you say if it was another vote to stay in the UK? Have another and another? They're expensive, cost millions! Yeah you’ve said that but then people have countered that point with the fact that the UK isn’t going to be the same as the one promised last time and you’ve just ignored the points as per. Why do you think the people of Scotland should be forced to leave the EU they didn’t even vote to leave? And why would them having another on this be a bad thing given the changes in circumstance? |
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15th January 2020, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 15 2020, 08:27 PM) Soz but we don’t want you. Tory and Brexit. Big pass, however we will gladly take your giant Nissan factory. We’ve already got North East Scotland and the bloody borders. Don’t need North East England holding us back too It's be for the north in general. I imagine Newcastle would join and Northumbria, but not Sland, Durham, the Lakes, etc. Newcastle would fit right in. Liverpool should be given a vote on being part of it too. |
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15th January 2020, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 09:18 PM) I don't control whether they can have one or not. Boris Johnson does. The ludicrous thing is that you do control it actually, because you, a voter in England, elects Scotland's government. |
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15th January 2020, 09:27 PM
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I’d happily take Newcastle but unfortunately despite being so close, it’s still England x
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15th January 2020, 11:04 PM
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#Sclosure!!!
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15th January 2020, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 15 2020, 07:02 PM) Yes. Brexit was not a factor during the last referendum — clearly a massive change in circumstance, and one that is pertinent to the future of Scotland. Times are justifiably different. SNP also had a clear election manifesto and won. There is a mandate for it. It's an issue for Scotland and the Scottish people to decide — not me. Exactly this. I was against independence in 2014, now I am fully for it - with a view to moving to Scotland if it manages to go independent. |
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15th January 2020, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 15 2020, 11:46 PM) Exactly this. I was against independence in 2014, now I am fully for it - with a view to moving to Scotland if it manages to go independent. There's no guarantee independence would work for them though, just like Brexit. It's just nationalism. Anyway, I am a big lover of the collective Union and ideally would like the UK to stay together as we are more powerful in the world as a Union. But I think whether people like it or not there's going to be another referendum in the medium term and the current stance of the Tories will likely push the swing voters to voting for independence. |
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16th January 2020, 12:02 AM
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It's not quite the same though is it because the SNP and the majority of their supporters are strong advocates of the EU and they would use independence to apply to become a full member state.
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16th January 2020, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jan 15 2020, 11:52 PM) There's no guarantee independence would work for them though, just like Brexit. It's just nationalism. Anyway, I am a big lover of the collective Union and ideally would like the UK to stay together as we are more powerful in the world as a Union. But I think whether people like it or not there's going to be another referendum in the medium term and the current stance of the Tories will likely push the swing voters to voting for independence. A one party state of vile tories and their disgusting policies does not work for us in the north. |
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16th January 2020, 01:55 AM
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Absolutely yes.
Fascinated that we have as many as four no's! But yes because absolutely everything about the Better Together campaign was quickly revealed to be outright lies to keep Scotland and Scottish people under the English heel, and the treatment of Scottish and really all non-English people within the UK in the last five years has been nothing short of abhorrent. It didn't have to be that way - English people in the government actively chose to split their citizens into first and second class. That's just uncomfortable and unhealthy for the long-term stability of a nation. |
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16th January 2020, 03:24 AM
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Yes, yes, absolutely yes.
I love the idea of the Union but only as much as all four countries in the Union also love the idea of it. If Scotland wants to leave they must be allowed to leave and circumstances have clearly changed since the last one. |
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