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 Nov 12 2021, 11:14 AM
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I think it's really easy to criticise the performer after the event. Not saying Travis should not shoulder some of the blame, but a hyped up crowd is literally his USP of concerts, infact it's within the whole rap/trap-rap genre. It's why you always see an artist of this ilk headlining Reading/Leeds festival these days.. it's only 15 years or so ago 50 Cent got bottled off the stage let's not forget. Festivals are different to concerts, there are *always* injuries there. People want to get as close as they can to the front and this regularly causes people to pass out, break limbs. This then looks like it has been compounded by the promoters cutting corners, through hiring staff, stage design etc.
End of the day it shouldn't be up to the performer to cut the music, by the time the performer is calling for the music to be cut the damage has already been done. That's a catastrophic failure by the security and safety team if the own artist has to cut their set. In the UK when stuff like this happens, the music just gets pulled. Sounds like the police officers were spending all the time enjoying the concert rather than policing too, so all in all just a multitude of errors from people who should be in charge of crowd safety |
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Nov 12 2021, 11:52 AM
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I missed a memo about 9 deaths being a simple 'injury' these days.
This isn't 100% his fault and the organisers could've prevented this from getting out of hand. However, another thing is the normalisation of this type of behaviour as if it's inevitable someone will die during a gig using artist's USP as an excuse. Some will call this behaviour 'bad ass', 'hardcore' or whatever, I just call this irresponsible, immature and greedy. Does he not know he has plenty of underage fans who don't know any better? At which do you stop selling your things and get back to being human? We can/should do better. I'm a big Travis Scott fan and I think he's one of the most interesting artists out there but this has given me a lot to think about. |
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Nov 12 2021, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(Bdelita @ Nov 12 2021, 11:52 AM)  I missed a memo about 9 deaths being a simple 'injury' these days. This isn't 100% his fault and the organisers could've prevented this from getting out of hand. However, another thing is the normalisation of this type of behaviour as if it's inevitable someone will die during a gig using artist's USP as an excuse. Some will call this behaviour 'bad ass', 'hardcore' or whatever, I just call this irresponsible, immature and greedy. Does he not know he has plenty of underage fans who don't know any better? At which do you stop selling your things and get back to being human? We can/should do better. I'm a big Travis Scott fan and I think he's one of the most interesting artists out there but this has given me a lot to think about. The point is, people always get injured at festivals- it is nothing new- that is not to say it should or shouldn't happen. This is an extreme case and looks to have been caused by a domino effect of problems that almost certainly could have been prevented through crowd management. I posted about my own experience in 2009 - I don't know how nobody died that day, but I still saw people pass out, bleed, jump over fences, on top of burger vans to escape a mass crush. Mosh pits have been happening, walls of death have been happening at festivals for years - personally I hate them, as what tends to happen is it creates an extra crush from people not wanting to be involved who try to escape people going stupidly crazy. Blaming the artist here is not the answer here. Could he have done better? Yes, probably. But it's not his responsibility for the welfare and safety of every person who bought a ticket - that is of the security and safety teams. Loads of artists go electric during their concerts, it's nothing new for that type of music. Like I said before, pretty much every rap/trap-rap artist has mosh pits these days. Would say from my experience, the major difference is if there is a mosh pit at a Metallica/Rage concert vs Travis/Stormzy the average age of the crowd does play a huge difference, people will look out for one another most of the time at the former, but at the latter maybe it happens less. |
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Nov 15 2021, 07:05 AM
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Ezra Blount who was nine years old and had been on life support is now the tenth victim of the crush
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Nov 15 2021, 04:29 PM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Nov 12 2021, 04:55 PM) The point is, people always get injured at festivals- it is nothing new- that is not to say it should or shouldn't happen. This is an extreme case and looks to have been caused by a domino effect of problems that almost certainly could have been prevented through crowd management. I posted about my own experience in 2009 - I don't know how nobody died that day, but I still saw people pass out, bleed, jump over fences, on top of burger vans to escape a mass crush. Mosh pits have been happening, walls of death have been happening at festivals for years - personally I hate them, as what tends to happen is it creates an extra crush from people not wanting to be involved who try to escape people going stupidly crazy. Blaming the artist here is not the answer here. Could he have done better? Yes, probably. But it's not his responsibility for the welfare and safety of every person who bought a ticket - that is of the security and safety teams. Loads of artists go electric during their concerts, it's nothing new for that type of music. Like I said before, pretty much every rap/trap-rap artist has mosh pits these days. Would say from my experience, the major difference is if there is a mosh pit at a Metallica/Rage concert vs Travis/Stormzy the average age of the crowd does play a huge difference, people will look out for one another most of the time at the former, but at the latter maybe it happens less. He literally urged people to climb the fences which made head count at the venue much more than what it can handle. Not to mention it was already overbooked - greed and negligence come hand in hand usually. He convinced a teenage fan to jump off a ledge which left him paralysed a few years back. But of course this was all the teen's fault as there was clearly no abuse of power and drunk youths will never do whatever their idol asks from them. He's a f***ing ego-driven (what can stroke your ego more than people DYING because of you?) moron who needs to be put in jail and have his platform taken away which honestly I doubt will ever happen. And we'll be in the same situation next year with the same people still defending the psychopath. |
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Nov 15 2021, 05:05 PM
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To say blaming Travis is "not the answer" is really ignorant.
He is the founder of the festival. He encouraged fans for years to break barricades and force entry to his concerts and it's now blown up in his face. He allowed for the festival to be overcrowded, maximize profit by employing the bare minimum in terms of security and medical staff (people who were canvassed by text message with no previous experience). Police personally gave him a security warning before the show. He wouldn't stop the show to allow an ambulance out the crowd to treat the injured people instead told the crowd to "rage on" and "make the ground shake", they dance on the roof of the ambulance... Kylie and VIPs escorted out halfway following the crush. He went to go party with Drake after the show and then in his "apology video" he acts totally oblivious and comes across as incredibly insincere, doesn't even say sorry. There's now talks that the refunds and medical/funeral aid he is offering has weird NDAs which involve people signing away their rights to sue Travis and the organizers. |
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Nov 15 2021, 05:21 PM
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The guy cares more about his shoes than the welfare of his fans, all this really isn't surprising unfortunately.
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Nov 15 2021, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(k👠th @ Nov 15 2021, 05:05 PM) To say blaming Travis is "not the answer" is really ignorant. He is the founder of the festival. He encouraged fans for years to break barricades and force entry to his concerts and it's now blown up in his face. He allowed for the festival to be overcrowded, maximize profit by employing the bare minimum in terms of security and medical staff (people who were canvassed by text message with no previous experience). Police personally gave him a security warning before the show. He wouldn't stop the show to allow an ambulance out the crowd to treat the injured people instead told the crowd to "rage on" and "make the ground shake", they dance on the roof of the ambulance... Kylie and VIPs escorted out halfway following the crush. He went to go party with Drake after the show and then in his "apology video" he acts totally oblivious and comes across as incredibly insincere, doesn't even say sorry. There's now talks that the refunds and medical/funeral aid he is offering has weird NDAs which involve people signing away their rights to sue Travis and the organizers. If the last bit is true, what a c**t |
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Nov 16 2021, 09:36 AM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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QUOTE(k👠th @ Nov 15 2021, 08:05 PM) To say blaming Travis is "not the answer" is really ignorant. He is the founder of the festival. He encouraged fans for years to break barricades and force entry to his concerts and it's now blown up in his face. Exactly. It's not some random festival he was asked to perform at. It's his name, his legacy, his responsibility. |
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Nov 17 2021, 09:16 PM
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I wish someone could update the title of the thread so it says 10 dead
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