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 21st December 2019, 10:32 PM
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 "Jayrusaleminians" - Umi.
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It's my second favourite Melanie C song! There's a strong reason why it was a success in the first place. The love and popularity for it came before the chart position and sales! The success just confirmed the mood the public had for that song at the time. I think it's held up well in 20 years.
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21st December 2019, 10:36 PM
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 you never forget your first time...
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QUOTE(sammy01 @ Dec 21 2019, 10:17 PM)  The success of NBTSA is the reason it is so high, if we are honest it isn't even Mel C's 4th best song, let alone from the whole Spice Discography. 
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21st December 2019, 10:37 PM
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It had success as it was released in 2000, mel c could release it now and it wouldnt chart.
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21st December 2019, 10:51 PM
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"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi.
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A highly moot point
 Melanie released two songs in advance of that which 'only' went to #4, so clearly there was something in particular about NBTSA which connected at the time, and still does now! |
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21st December 2019, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Dec 21 2019, 10:51 PM) A highly moot point Melanie released two songs in advance of that which 'only' went to #4, so clearly there was something in particular about NBTSA which connected at the time, and still does now! Yes a feature. Mel C's 2 biggest hits are features, her biggest song of the 2010s is a feature and her last 2 singles to chart are features. Over rated Spice certainly needed help to get her over rated tag. |
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21st December 2019, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(sammy01 @ Dec 21 2019, 10:37 PM) It had success as it was released in 2000, mel c could release it now and it wouldnt chart. Neither would Maybe...  Totally irrelevant to the discussion.No be quiet Sammy you're only embarrassing yourself. |
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22nd December 2019, 12:01 AM
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"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi.
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I don't see what relevance featured artists has really, a hit is a hit / a well-liked song is a well-liked song, regardless of who is contributing vocally.
Besides, When You're Gone is the only song you're mentioning where Melanie was the featured artist. She was lead artist on Never Be the Same Again, while she was a joint credit on Loving You. Both Matt Cardle & Melanie C had experienced flop singles in advance of that 'lightning in a bottle' moment that neither artist has managed to replicate since... so I wouldn't attribute the success of that song any more to Matt than to Melanie tbqh. When it comes to Never Be the Same Again, I don't think there's any evidence at all to support it only being a hit to the extent it was because of Lisa Lopes' involvement. She hadn't had a huge solo career in her own right, and quite frankly in terms of the UK Melanie C was a far bigger name! |
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22nd December 2019, 10:57 AM
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I said what I said.
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22nd December 2019, 12:01 PM
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"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi.
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And what you said is wrong x
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22nd December 2019, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Dec 22 2019, 01:01 PM) And what you said is wrong x Preach 
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22nd December 2019, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Dec 22 2019, 12:01 PM) And what you said is wrong x Actually it was completely factual. Her 2 biggest hits are features, her biggest hit this decade is a feature and her last 2 charting singles are features. These. Are. Facts. |
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22nd December 2019, 12:27 PM
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“Are features” implies Melanie C is merely the featured artist, which is wrong. On all but one song you’re referring to, she’s either the lead or joint lead artist. She hasn’t had “a feature” hit since 1998.
Her biggest hits worldwide: I Turn to You and First Day of My Life... both are solo. |
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22nd December 2019, 01:18 PM
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Ladies, lets chill on this. This has now moved from personal opinions/taste around the songs, to factual inacuracies and diminshing of MC's solo career.
Mel C's biggest single is with Brian Adams, then I Turn To You. Her last two hits were as a featured artist with Matt Cardle and as a solo artist with First Day of My Life. She is as relevant as a solo pop star as a featured one. I do think though that her chances of solo success seem to be improving. She has a great new PR company which has seen her giving out extensive interviews around the release of High Hells, and included a large profile feature in the Guardian which vouched for her upcoming solo music being her best yet. I think her previous management quitting was probably the best thing to happen to Mel C as a solo artist, she has been artistically stale for a while, and seems to have re-gained some energy around her career and artistic vision since then! Let's move on from slagging the C or pretending some of her singles weren't absolutely massive please. She is still - and probably always be - the most successful solo Spice Girl and the one who never relented on her solo career (even if we can point to a lot of, erm, artistic flaws in it). Also, sammy, just because we love Emma the most - and we do - doesnt mean we should be tearing down Mel C or her legacy babes. |
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22nd December 2019, 03:17 PM
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I only do it to troll the Mel C fans, I love flop C as much as the next 90s homo.
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22nd December 2019, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.X @ Dec 22 2019, 01:18 PM) Mel C's biggest single is with Brian Adams, then I Turn To You. When You're Gone is her biggest seller in the UK, but worldwide peaks and certifications tell a different story when it comes to overall success. Peaks and certifications: Never Be the Same Again 01, 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 03, 03, 03, 03, 04, 04, 05, 06, 08, 09, 09, 16, 27 10 certifications: Platinum (Australia, New Zealand, Sweden) | Gold (Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, UK) | Silver (France) I Turn to You 01, 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 02, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 11, 11, 15, 26, 37 7 certifications: Platinum (Australia, Sweden) | Gold (Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, UK) First Day of My Life 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 09, 14, 18, 25, 32, 53, 65, 94 2 certifications: Platinum (Germany) | Gold (Switzerland) When You're Gone 03, 03, 04, 06, 06, 07, 08, 11, 11, 12, 14, 14, 15, 16, 20, 29, 32, 37 3 certifications: Platinum (Australia, UK) | Gold (Norway) [^ I'm not including Scottish chart (which is a subsidiary to the UK chart), Europe chart or radio charts] So Never Be the Same Again was her biggest success. I Turn to You second, but this is also the only single of hers that had a modicum of success in the US (Dance Club Songs). I'd make a case for First Day of My Life having more impact *at the time* in Europe than When You're Gone. QUOTE(Mr.X @ Dec 22 2019, 01:18 PM) Her last two hits were as a featured artist with Matt Cardle and as a solo artist with First Day of My Life. She is as relevant as a solo pop star as a featured one. Loving You wasn't a feature, it's a joint credit! "Matt Cardle & Melanie C". Both artists were 'flopping' prior to that single release. Matt's 5 singles prior to Loving You charted at: #185, #84, #175, not top 200, not top 200. Since Loving You he has released 7 singles, and only one charted, at #171. I feel like there's an implication that Loving You was only a hit because Melanie C bagged herself 'a feature' on a Matt Cardle single, when the truth is... is that single being a hit was something of a fluke for both artists. So let's give Melanie her dues for Loving You's success, she was a joint lead and it was as much a hit for her as it was for Matt. |
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22nd December 2019, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Dec 22 2019, 04:21 PM) When You're Gone is her biggest seller in the UK, but worldwide peaks and certifications tell a different story when it comes to overall success. Peaks and certifications: Never Be the Same Again 01, 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 03, 03, 03, 03, 04, 04, 05, 06, 08, 09, 09, 16, 27 10 certifications: Platinum (Australia, New Zealand, Sweden) | Gold (Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, UK) | Silver (France) I Turn to You 01, 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 02, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 11, 11, 15, 26, 37 7 certifications: Platinum (Australia, Sweden) | Gold (Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, UK) First Day of My Life 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 09, 14, 18, 25, 32, 53, 65, 94 2 certifications: Platinum (Germany) | Gold (Switzerland) When You're Gone 03, 03, 04, 06, 06, 07, 08, 11, 11, 12, 14, 14, 15, 16, 20, 29, 32, 37 3 certifications: Platinum (Australia, UK) | Gold (Norway) [^ I'm not including Scottish chart (which is a subsidiary to the UK chart), Europe chart or radio charts] So Never Be the Same Again was her biggest success. I Turn to You second, but this is also the only single of hers that had a modicum of success in the US (Dance Club Songs). I'd make a case for First Day of My Life having more impact *at the time* in Europe than When You're Gone. Loving You wasn't a feature, it's a joint credit! "Matt Cardle & Melanie C". Both artists were 'flopping' prior to that single release. Matt's 5 singles prior to Loving You charted at: #185, #84, #175, not top 200, not top 200. Since Loving You he has released 7 singles, and only one charted, at #171. I feel like there's an implication that Loving You was only a hit because Melanie C bagged herself 'a feature' on a Matt Cardle single, when the truth is... is that single being a hit was something of a fluke for both artists. So let's give Melanie her dues for Loving You's success, she was a joint lead and it was as much a hit for her as it was for Matt. As always, the voice of reason  |
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22nd December 2019, 06:19 PM
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When you're gone is massive in the UK though, it is like 400k ahead of NBTSA in sales isn't it, which is ahead of ITTY.
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22nd December 2019, 06:21 PM
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'Viva Forever' is the perfect winner
thanks mods for all your hard work!
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22nd December 2019, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(sammy01 @ Dec 22 2019, 06:19 PM) When you're gone is massive in the UK though, it is like 400k ahead of NBTSA in sales isn't it, which is ahead of ITTY. What has that got to do with Jay’s post? |
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22nd December 2019, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Dec 22 2019, 04:21 PM) When You're Gone is her biggest seller in the UK, but worldwide peaks and certifications tell a different story when it comes to overall success. Peaks and certifications: Never Be the Same Again 01, 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 03, 03, 03, 03, 04, 04, 05, 06, 08, 09, 09, 16, 27 10 certifications: Platinum (Australia, New Zealand, Sweden) | Gold (Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, UK) | Silver (France) I Turn to You 01, 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 02, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 11, 11, 15, 26, 37 7 certifications: Platinum (Australia, Sweden) | Gold (Austria, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, UK) First Day of My Life 01, 01, 01, 01, 02, 09, 14, 18, 25, 32, 53, 65, 94 2 certifications: Platinum (Germany) | Gold (Switzerland) When You're Gone 03, 03, 04, 06, 06, 07, 08, 11, 11, 12, 14, 14, 15, 16, 20, 29, 32, 37 3 certifications: Platinum (Australia, UK) | Gold (Norway) [^ I'm not including Scottish chart (which is a subsidiary to the UK chart), Europe chart or radio charts] So Never Be the Same Again was her biggest success. I Turn to You second, but this is also the only single of hers that had a modicum of success in the US (Dance Club Songs). I'd make a case for First Day of My Life having more impact *at the time* in Europe than When You're Gone. Loving You wasn't a feature, it's a joint credit! "Matt Cardle & Melanie C". Both artists were 'flopping' prior to that single release. Matt's 5 singles prior to Loving You charted at: #185, #84, #175, not top 200, not top 200. Since Loving You he has released 7 singles, and only one charted, at #171. I feel like there's an implication that Loving You was only a hit because Melanie C bagged herself 'a feature' on a Matt Cardle single, when the truth is... is that single being a hit was something of a fluke for both artists. So let's give Melanie her dues for Loving You's success, she was a joint lead and it was as much a hit for her as it was for Matt. Thanks for further context, and I get what you are trying to get at with NBTSA and LY - BUT I would say that When You're Gone is indeed the bigger hit as it made such a massive impact back in 1998 and continues to this day to get good sales and radio play across Europe. Everytime I am working around Europe, it still plays on the radio. And yeah t did sell massively in the UK... Not diminishing her other successes of course, but just think that WYG is on anotehr level. Of course, at the time both Mel and Brian were massive so that helped. |
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