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BuzzJack Music Forum _ Buzzjack Song Contest _ The Third BJSC Veto Framework
Posted by: Silas 24th February 2015, 10:14 PM
The Third Veto Framework
We have had a review of our framework which is coming in with immediate effect.
Minor/Yellow (3 points)
- Artist has been recycled
- Song or artist has appeared in Unknown Pleasures.
- Song has charted in the top40 of the artists 'home' nation.
- The song or artist has finished in the top half of another contest on the forum, eg. Unknown Pleasures, Nuggets etc.
- The artist has had a top40 UK album in the past 24 months.
- Song has a presence on one of the big three blogs, the trifecta of Popjustice, Scandipop or Pitchfork. An additional 3 points will be allocated to songs that have appeared on any two of these three blogs
- Artist has come top15 previously in BJSC
- Song is currently in the chart of a Scandinavian nation
- The song/artist has charted, within the past 24 months, in one of the following nations: United States, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France & Germany
- 2 or more people attempted to confirm the song.
- The artist has previously been entered two times in the past 30 contests.
- The song has significant BJSC Personal Chart presence (7 or more personal charts)
- The song is in the Multichart during the week/s in which the confirmation process is open.
- The song is by an artist with a significant following on Buzzjack.
- The song has received substantial radio, internet, TV, or print media exposure.
- The song is on a Radio 1 playlist published 2 months prior to or during the confirmation period
- The artist/song been in the UK Top 40 Singles Chart in the past 24 months.
- The song has a review on one or more of the trifecta (Scandipop/Popjustice/Pitchfork) with Hyperbole set to 11.
- Artist has multiple top10's, or a top5 finish to their name
- Song or artist has been in UP in the past 24 months
- The song has gone top 10, within the past 12 months, in one of the following nations: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France, Germany, South Korea, and Japan.
- Song is in the Hot 100 currently
- More than 5 people attempted to enter the song.
- The song or artist charted in the Top 40 in the UK or USA pre-2000 This applies to songs like TLC's 'Creep' and Dolly Parton's 'Jolene' or any other 'classics'. Any other current or previously charted song is covered by other veto penalties in this framework)
- The artist has previously been entered three times in the past 30 contests.
- The song is a similar sounding cover version or contains a heavily used sample of a previous BJSC entry.
- The song is a straight cover of a previous BJSC entry.
- The song has charted in the UK Top20.
- The song has presence on all of the trifecta. (Scandipop, Popjustice and Pitchfork)
- The song is a former ESC entry.
- The song is currently in a national final for ESC selection.
- The song is a previous BJSC entry.
- Artist was in the previous month's top 3.
- Song has more than 100 replies in a genre forum thread.
- Song is by an Artist with an Artist Forum on Buzzjack
- The artist has previously been entered four times in the last 30 contests
- The Artist has been entered 7 times since BJSC I
- Song has come top 5 in Unknown Pleasures
NEW - All of the above rules may be suspended for a nations anniversary contest (50th, 100th, 250th, 500th, 1000th etc) for artists that are significant to a nation. This must be applied for 2 contests in advance. The only rule is that you cannot send a single by your nominated artist or anything from the current campaign. For Example: Ashton could send any Sugababes non-single, FSR Rontvia could send any non-single by Delta, Ramrynia could send any non-single by Diana Vickers. You may claim this exemption for only one artist ever and the choice behind this artist must be justified as to why they are significant to your nation. The three examples all used those artists as their debut and are well known loons for those artists.
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The changes are as follows:
Being removed:
3 Points:
- The song has moderate personal chart support from within it's likely fan base. (2-3 personal charts of BJSC participants)
- Song has a thread with more than 15 replies in a genre forum.
- The song is by a MALE artist, or associated act with an Artist Forum on Buzzjack.
- Has strong personal chart support in it's genre fan-base and has 'crossed over'. (4-6 personal charts)
- Song has a thread of more than 40 replies in a genre forum
- Song has more than 75 replies in a genre forum thread
- The song is by a FEMALE artist, or associated act with an Artist Forum on Buzzjack.
3 Points:
- Artist has been recycled and previously qualified for the final. \\\\\ Now any recycling
- Song has charted in the top40 of the artists 'home' nation. \\\\\\ Now 'Has charted' rather than 'is in'
- The artist has had a top40 UK album in the past 12 months. \\\\\\ Now 24 months
- The song is a similar sounding cover version or contains a heavily used sample of a previous BJSC entry. \\\\ Now 12 points because this shit is lazy
- Artist has come top10 previously in BJSC \\\\\\ Now top 15
- The song/artist has charted, within the past 12 months, in one of the following nations: United States, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France & Germany \\\\\ Now 24 months
- The artist has previously been entered two times since 2011 \\\\\\ Now in the past 30 contests.
- First set now two distinct separate 12 point offences
- The song is on a current Radio 1 playlist (any playlist published just prior to or during the confirmation period) \\\ Firming this up by making it 2 months prior to confirmation
- The artist/song is currently or has recently (within the last 12 months) been in the UK Top 40 Singles Chart. \\\\\\ Also now 24 months
- Song and/or artist has (recently) finished top5 in UP. \\\ Once more, also 24 months and amended to been entered to UP in general.
- The song has gone top5, within the past 6 months, in one of the following nations: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France, Germany, South Korea, and Japan. \\\\\\ Now top 10 in past year.
- The artist has previously been entered three times since 2011. \\\\\ Now last 30 contests too.
- The song is a fresh leak or forthcoming single by an artist with a significant following on Buzzjack. \\\\ removed fresh leak or forthcoming single.
- Song is from the current album campaign (single, album track, b-side or leak) of one of the very popular AF artist's (Sugababes/MKS, Lady GaGa, Katy Perry, Adele, The Saturdays, Leona Lewis) \\\\ Now any artist with an AF is banned.
- The artist has previously been entered four times since 2011. \\\\\ Also 30 contests now.
- Is currently in the UK Top20. \\\\ Now 'Has charted'.
25 Points:
- The Artist has been entered 7 times since BJSC I
- Song has come top 5 in Unknown Pleasures
We've made a couple of adjustments, removed a few things and added a couple more. The Veto threshold has gone back up to 25 points, but anything getting 12 points will be in the window for vetoing.
Posted by: gooddelta 24th February 2015, 10:39 PM
Definitely lining up a Delta demo for my 1000th contest! (If I live to 120 that is).
Posted by: *Tim 24th February 2015, 10:40 PM
Only 3 more years tillI can send Alexandra *.*
Posted by: gooddelta 24th February 2015, 10:44 PM
Wow at all past top 20 hits being waved goodbye. Good move!
Posted by: ˇbré! 24th February 2015, 10:58 PM
I'd say 'Adelante got lucky', but then... it didn't really.
Does that rule also apply to remixes? So for example would Adonia's song this month have been vetoed as the original version was a top 20 hit? I'm not asking for myself of course as I don't even touch artists who have charted. (Aside from Dawn Richard technically having a top 5 hit but as a member of a group
)
Posted by: M¤th 24th February 2015, 11:18 PM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking!
Posted by: Chez Wombat 24th February 2015, 11:34 PM
Looks like I dodged a bullet sending Jaimeson when I did!
Posted by: Iz~ 24th February 2015, 11:40 PM
I'm very supportive of the no top 20 rule. It nicely covers all big hits without having to find reasons to get rid of them like we were struggling this month with for Adelante, and as for remixes, I'm not SURE on the actual answer to that, a BJSC mod will officially confirm, but I suspect they'd be treated the same way covers are, if it's significantly different they'd be given a fair chance under the rest of the framework while suffering 12 points straight away for that, if it adds merely a few basic beats to it then it can sod off.
This isn't a remix song contest and I'm always suspicious of entries that rely on sampling big hits, particularly as they've been recently the most common things that manage to fly under the researching radar and probably get a large proportion of their votes because of the sample.
Posted by: ► ▲ N 25th February 2015, 06:54 AM
*.*Avicii floppy single or album track realness for Danaelanda's 50th then
will have to wait until late 2016 though. : (
Posted by: Robot 25th February 2015, 11:58 AM
That rule looks VERY open to abuse. I mean, by rights, I could send Walking On Air or Bal could send Dance In The Dark (although to be fair, they'd probably be penalised by just about everyone for being ridiculously cheap, but the actual concept of it is what I'm aiming at here).
Everything else looks good to me though.
Posted by: Silas 25th February 2015, 05:28 PM
Please note the phrase "non-single" that is included many times in that paragraph.
For example. I could never send Freak Like Me but the Three era b-side "Colder In The Rain" (which is flawless) is eligible. So no singles or anything from the most recent era.
The aim is to allow people to mark an anniversary contest but in such a way that some people could still make a discovery out of it.
Posted by: ► ▲ N 25th February 2015, 06:53 PM
Avicii released a lot of non-album singles which didn't perform well in the chart and would make for a discovery imo.
True is such an amazing album though that I'll probably end up sending a non single from that anyway
-x-
Very popular album tracks like the ones Robot suggested should definitely be banned anyway (plus those artists have their own forums, so anything by them shouldn't allowed really)
Posted by: ˇbré! 25th February 2015, 06:56 PM
I'd be annoyed that I just missed my 50th entry being allowed to take advantage of that rule but then to be honest I'd probably choose not to anyway. Cheapness isn't my thang.
(Although I had absolutely NOTHING I wanted to send for my 50th, 'Hiding' is still a very good song and all but it was an old potential that I sent because I'd found nothing better, a bit of a shit one to commemorate the ~anniversary~. Might just disown The Bullitts and proclaim Dawn Richard my true 50th entry).
Posted by: Wall-e 25th February 2015, 07:10 PM
No.
It's obviously an unfair advantage to others and quite a silly rule tbh.
Posted by: JSG 25th February 2015, 07:11 PM
I think the whole anniversary thing is a bit uncalled for. Talk about an unfair advantage. Let's just enter The Saturdays cause we can eh.
Posted by: Robot 25th February 2015, 07:11 PM
Hence why I listed two songs that weren't singles... I just think it seems a very pointless, silly rule, like I can't really see any reason for it being necessary and seems a LITTLE bit unfair.
Posted by: Wall-e 25th February 2015, 07:12 PM
Aquafina sending The Saturdays - 808.
Going to be a clear advantage judging we have so many SATS STANS on here.
Posted by: Ryan. 25th February 2015, 07:13 PM
I'm not sure I like this rule either, only a handful of countries will ever reach 50 entries and it just seems to be something to benefit a select few. I know it's not necessarily done to be an advantage, but it nearly always will be even if not intended. It'll get hype just for being a "novelty entry" just like Australia in the real Eurovision have done.
Posted by: Ultraviolence1989 25th February 2015, 07:20 PM
Maybe instead of this anniversary thing which could give an unfair advantage to other people, maybe their could be like a spinoff thing for this like once a year where people can submit an album track by their artist they want.
I don't know if this is a good or terrible idea
Posted by: ✖ ketalina ✖ 25th February 2015, 07:21 PM
the rules shouldn't be waved for artist forums in that circumstance, but apart from that i have no problem.
Posted by: Iz~ 25th February 2015, 07:32 PM
I would hope that the people who get to 50 entries would have enough respect for the contest by that time to not take the piss with it. If I were planning it, and I'm not sure I would take advantage of this rule, I would go for an artist who is a particular favourite of mine, but not particularly a fave of many other people, with something I wouldn't normally consider for entering because too many people know the artist name.
So I would use it as a chance to send Nightwish (again, and they would be my most likely option, with an album track that I have not whored out to anyone), or Lights, or Lindsey Stirling. Or something like that.
I don't think well-known album tracks would necessarily clear rank for this, remember it has to be applied for 2 contests in advance and given you have to justify why the artist is significant to you, I guess you should also justify why this album track or B-Side would be a discovery for people. Silas' example of a B-Side above sounds acceptable to me, Dance In The Dark does not.
Posted by: popchartfreak 25th February 2015, 07:39 PM
2 years till I can use a Beatles track then. Or Abba. Or Pet Shop Boys. I'm pretty obsessive about all 3.
None of them would qualify so it don't really matter....
Posted by: ETH▲N 25th February 2015, 08:18 PM
Wouldn't a special widget be a more appropriate way to mark these BJSC country anniversaries without potentially compromising the integrity of the competition ~ also they could be added retrospectively to old skool competitors so they don't miss out!
Posted by: Silas 25th February 2015, 09:07 PM
The anniversary thing was supposed to be a nice thing that would allow you to mark a big contest with a song by an artist that means a lot to you. It shows commitment to BJSC to reach an anniversary so it's our way of saying a little thanks for participating.
There are quite a number of nations due to hit 50 contests between now and Ashton/FSR Rontvia/Kylienips hitting 100. We do not believe that it is an unfair advantage to enter a random album track. I have entered three non-singles by the Sugababes over the past 72 contests and two singles. Both singles (BJSC 1 and 5) came top 10. The non-singles were nowhere near as successful and one DNQd in the 10th contest. Most recently, for my 50th contest, I entered Spiral. A wonderful track that isn't even on a Sugababes album at all, nor is it even a B-side, as it was vocals they provided on a William Orbit album. It was a discovery to most of the Sugababes fans entering. THAT is the type of song we are aiming at. It finished 28/30 (my lowest ever placing in a final with SFs)and barely made it out of the SF. That is hardly an advantage now is it?
If it does not work, or a 'Hunters And The Wolves' situation happens every time, then we will remove it. (Hunters And The Wolves would have been ineligible under the Anniversary exemption as it is from the current era, at time of entry.)
For now, it stays while we try it out.
Posted by: Calum Hood 27th February 2015, 05:30 PM
- Is a straight cover of a previous BJSC entry.
- Has charted in the UK Top20.
- Has presence on all of the trifecta. (Scandipop, Popjustice and Pitchfork)
- Is a former ESC entry.
- Is currently in a national final for ESC selection.
- Is a previous BJSC entry.
Just for clarity while I try not to pick something cheapasfuq - does 'Is' and 'Has' refer to both the artist and the song, the artist alone or the song alone?
Posted by: Gage 27th February 2015, 05:35 PM
I've always taken it as the song specifically.
Posted by: J▲hq 27th February 2015, 05:39 PM
That's how we take it in the mod forum too
Posted by: Silas 27th February 2015, 07:01 PM
Those are all about the song. Thanks for pointing those out I'll tweak them when I'm back on the laptop.
Posted by: Tom Moroder Kay 27th February 2015, 07:17 PM
Good stuff Phil. Does that mean I'm too late to send, say, Alcazar to LXXIV though? (my 60th anniversary!)
Posted by: ˇbré! 27th February 2015, 07:19 PM
If I understand the rules correctly it's for landmark numbers of entries, you haven't entered every contest since your debut so not quite. By my count you're 3 contests away from your 50th entry though
Posted by: Tom Moroder Kay 27th February 2015, 07:31 PM
Oh that's cool. I thought it was since your debut. More time to think about the song then 
Posted by: ˇbré! 27th February 2015, 07:39 PM
Why do I get the distinct sensation we'll be seeing Tone Damli (or Sugababes) in BJSC again in two contests' time...
Posted by: Silas 27th February 2015, 08:29 PM
75 is not one of the named landmarks 
Have to wait until BJSC C for the return of the Sugababes!
Posted by: Silas 27th February 2015, 08:31 PM
I've now makes those tweaks. Should now read clearly!
Posted by: *Tim 27th February 2015, 08:36 PM
What about features? Like for instance, if I enter a song that features Eva Simons, would it get the full points for a song by a winner or would it gain half of those?
Posted by: Silas 27th February 2015, 08:43 PM
It depends.
If Eva was only featured a little bit, like Amy Winehouse is in Mutya's B Boy Baby then probably would overlook the points the featured artist brings. If Eva was more like Rita Ora in Black Widow then it'd be full points.
It's shades of grey basically.
Posted by: Calum Hood 27th February 2015, 08:45 PM
Thank you!
Posted by: *Tim 27th February 2015, 09:40 PM
If Eva was only featured a little bit, like Amy Winehouse is in Mutya's B Boy Baby then probably would overlook the points the featured artist brings. If Eva was more like Rita Ora in Black Widow then it'd be full points.
It's shades of grey basically.
I can work with this, thanks!
(Not entering Eva btw just sayin')
Posted by: #BJSCSLAYERRRRRR 5th April 2015, 09:57 PM
So why was Not That Kind of Retro vetoed??
Serious/Red (12 points)
The song has significant BJSC Personal Chart presence (7 or more personal charts)
The only thing it could even have got are those points but it doesn't feature on 7 or more.
Posted by: Šţinniŋğ Ĺđɑ 6th April 2015, 09:29 AM
Serious/Red (12 points)
The song has significant BJSC Personal Chart presence (7 or more personal charts)
The only thing it could even have got are those points but it doesn't feature on 7 or more.
Tara Ella? I warned you to not even CONSIDER entering her
There's probably threads on her here to.
Posted by: Silas 6th April 2015, 04:37 PM
Serious/Red (12 points)
The song has significant BJSC Personal Chart presence (7 or more personal charts)
The only thing it could even have got are those points but it doesn't feature on 7 or more.
"The song is by an artist with a significant following on Buzzjack."
12 points is all we need.
Posted by: Josh. 6th April 2015, 04:56 PM
Does that mean TaraElla can't even send herself if she joins? 
Posted by: Conderella 10th April 2015, 09:47 AM
GaGa would be vetoed if she entered herself here, wouldn't she?
Posted by: Josh. 10th April 2015, 09:50 AM
Posted by: Conderella 10th April 2015, 09:56 AM
She will snatch gaga's wev right off til ha scalp bleeds and then buff.y/charmed her off the seet!!!!!!
Posted by: #BJSCSLAYERRRRRR 16th April 2015, 12:24 PM
OMG THIS!!!
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