The Third BJSC Veto Framework, **Revised** **Takes Immediate Effect** |
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24th February 2015, 10:14 PM
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Queen of Soon
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The Third Veto Framework
We have had a review of our framework which is coming in with immediate effect. Minor/Yellow (3 points)
NEW - All of the above rules may be suspended for a nations anniversary contest (50th, 100th, 250th, 500th, 1000th etc) for artists that are significant to a nation. This must be applied for 2 contests in advance. The only rule is that you cannot send a single by your nominated artist or anything from the current campaign. For Example: Ashton could send any Sugababes non-single, FSR Rontvia could send any non-single by Delta, Ramrynia could send any non-single by Diana Vickers. You may claim this exemption for only one artist ever and the choice behind this artist must be justified as to why they are significant to your nation. The three examples all used those artists as their debut and are well known loons for those artists. ----- The changes are as follows: Being removed: 3 Points:
3 Points:
25 Points:
We've made a couple of adjustments, removed a few things and added a couple more. The Veto threshold has gone back up to 25 points, but anything getting 12 points will be in the window for vetoing. |
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24th February 2015, 10:39 PM
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Hello?
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Definitely lining up a Delta demo for my 1000th contest! (If I live to 120 that is).
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24th February 2015, 10:40 PM
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Bitch of t seet
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Only 3 more years tillI can send Alexandra *.*
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24th February 2015, 10:44 PM
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Hello?
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Wow at all past top 20 hits being waved goodbye. Good move!
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24th February 2015, 10:58 PM
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is my brain across your walls?
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Wow at all past top 20 hits being waved goodbye. Good move! I'd say 'Adelante got lucky', but then... it didn't really. Does that rule also apply to remixes? So for example would Adonia's song this month have been vetoed as the original version was a top 20 hit? I'm not asking for myself of course as I don't even touch artists who have charted. (Aside from Dawn Richard technically having a top 5 hit but as a member of a group ) |
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24th February 2015, 11:18 PM
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24th February 2015, 11:34 PM
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The owls are not what they seem
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Looks like I dodged a bullet sending Jaimeson when I did!
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24th February 2015, 11:40 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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I'm very supportive of the no top 20 rule. It nicely covers all big hits without having to find reasons to get rid of them like we were struggling this month with for Adelante, and as for remixes, I'm not SURE on the actual answer to that, a BJSC mod will officially confirm, but I suspect they'd be treated the same way covers are, if it's significantly different they'd be given a fair chance under the rest of the framework while suffering 12 points straight away for that, if it adds merely a few basic beats to it then it can sod off.
This isn't a remix song contest and I'm always suspicious of entries that rely on sampling big hits, particularly as they've been recently the most common things that manage to fly under the researching radar and probably get a large proportion of their votes because of the sample. |
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25th February 2015, 06:54 AM
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NEW - All of the above rules may be suspended for a nations anniversary contest (50th, 100th, 250th, 500th, 1000th etc) for artists that are significant to a nation. This must be applied for 2 contests in advance. The only rule is that you cannot send a single by your nominated artist or anything from the current campaign. For Example: Ashton could send any Sugababes non-single, FSR Rontvia could send any non-single by Delta, Ramrynia could send any non-single by Diana Vickers. You may claim this exemption for only one artist ever and the choice behind this artist must be justified as to why they are significant to your nation. The three examples all used those artists as their debut and are well known loons for those artists.[/b] *.*Avicii floppy single or album track realness for Danaelanda's 50th then will have to wait until late 2016 though. : ( |
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25th February 2015, 11:58 AM
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I'm in a vewy bad mood, Bwadley.
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That rule looks VERY open to abuse. I mean, by rights, I could send Walking On Air or Bal could send Dance In The Dark (although to be fair, they'd probably be penalised by just about everyone for being ridiculously cheap, but the actual concept of it is what I'm aiming at here).
Everything else looks good to me though. |
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25th February 2015, 05:28 PM
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Queen of Soon
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Please note the phrase "non-single" that is included many times in that paragraph.
For example. I could never send Freak Like Me but the Three era b-side "Colder In The Rain" (which is flawless) is eligible. So no singles or anything from the most recent era. The aim is to allow people to mark an anniversary contest but in such a way that some people could still make a discovery out of it. |
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25th February 2015, 06:53 PM
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Please note the phrase "non-single" that is included many times in that paragraph. Avicii released a lot of non-album singles which didn't perform well in the chart and would make for a discovery imo. True is such an amazing album though that I'll probably end up sending a non single from that anyway -x- Very popular album tracks like the ones Robot suggested should definitely be banned anyway (plus those artists have their own forums, so anything by them shouldn't allowed really) |
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25th February 2015, 06:56 PM
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is my brain across your walls?
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I'd be annoyed that I just missed my 50th entry being allowed to take advantage of that rule but then to be honest I'd probably choose not to anyway. Cheapness isn't my thang.
(Although I had absolutely NOTHING I wanted to send for my 50th, 'Hiding' is still a very good song and all but it was an old potential that I sent because I'd found nothing better, a bit of a shit one to commemorate the ~anniversary~. Might just disown The Bullitts and proclaim Dawn Richard my true 50th entry). |
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25th February 2015, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE NEW - All of the above rules may be suspended for a nations anniversary contest (50th, 100th, 250th, 500th, 1000th etc) for artists that are significant to a nation. This must be applied for 2 contests in advance. The only rule is that you cannot send a single by your nominated artist or anything from the current campaign. For Example: Ashton could send any Sugababes non-single, FSR Rontvia could send any non-single by Delta, Ramrynia could send any non-single by Diana Vickers. You may claim this exemption for only one artist ever and the choice behind this artist must be justified as to why they are significant to your nation. The three examples all used those artists as their debut and are well known loons for those artists. No. It's obviously an unfair advantage to others and quite a silly rule tbh. |
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25th February 2015, 07:11 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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I think the whole anniversary thing is a bit uncalled for. Talk about an unfair advantage. Let's just enter The Saturdays cause we can eh.
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25th February 2015, 07:11 PM
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I'm in a vewy bad mood, Bwadley.
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Please note the phrase "non-single" that is included many times in that paragraph. Hence why I listed two songs that weren't singles... I just think it seems a very pointless, silly rule, like I can't really see any reason for it being necessary and seems a LITTLE bit unfair. |
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25th February 2015, 07:12 PM
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Aquafina sending The Saturdays - 808.
Going to be a clear advantage judging we have so many SATS STANS on here. |
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25th February 2015, 07:13 PM
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BuzzJack Legend
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I'm not sure I like this rule either, only a handful of countries will ever reach 50 entries and it just seems to be something to benefit a select few. I know it's not necessarily done to be an advantage, but it nearly always will be even if not intended. It'll get hype just for being a "novelty entry" just like Australia in the real Eurovision have done.
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25th February 2015, 07:20 PM
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It's a cruel summer.
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Maybe instead of this anniversary thing which could give an unfair advantage to other people, maybe their could be like a spinoff thing for this like once a year where people can submit an album track by their artist they want.
I don't know if this is a good or terrible idea |
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25th February 2015, 07:21 PM
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escape in the taste of summerrrrrr
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the rules shouldn't be waved for artist forums in that circumstance, but apart from that i have no problem.
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