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Posted by: Iz~ 15th January 2019, 12:16 PM
Hey hey hey, come see where your favourite Pokemon placed, who has won our shit Pokemon list, and where all of Generation 1 rank according to your votes!
Starting with the first result shortly.
Posted by: DexTheHalls 15th January 2019, 01:32 PM
Pikachu to not win
Posted by: Dircadirca 15th January 2019, 01:51 PM
I like the idea of everyone having piled on 'this is overrated!' in so many places that something innocuous like Nidorina wins.
Posted by: DexTheHalls 15th January 2019, 02:04 PM
Nidoqueen would be a good winner tbh 
Posted by: Iz~ 15th January 2019, 02:10 PM
141 Electrode 4.792
142 Mr. Mime 4.792
143 Spearow 4.750
144 Paras 4.750
145 Fearow 4.708
146 Tentacool 4.667
147 Weedle 4.333
148 Voltorb 4.333
149 Metapod 4.083
150 Zubat 3.792
151 Kakuna 3.625
The bottom 10, rather unsurprisingly, starts with the intermediate stages of the Caterpie and Weedle evolutions. Kakuna leads off with the title of the worst Pokémon, probably for the reason of... well, who is going to give a decent score to bloody Kakuna of all things? It's literally just a cocoon... thing that is only extant in the game for a few levels for the sole purpose of hatching a usually underwhelming Beedrill. Barely even a Pokémon. Just two above Kakuna is the similar Metapod, who probably ranked a bit higher than Kakuna for having slightly more charisma. I'd say that 'charisma' is only due to that anime episode where two Metapod harden at each other for a whole afternoon while the two kids battling are too dumb to try anything else. Not that Metapod can learn anything else of course, but the ones I've used have always carried over their at least okay Caterpie moves. Regardless, when you're moving through Viridian Forest these two I'm actually pleased to see, as while they're tough for your low-level Pokémon to take down, they give decent experience compared to their level 1 counterparts, and they're not dangerous. But even still, who would ever give a high score to METAPOD?
In between them is a Pokémon we all love to hate, found in caves seemingly everywhere, Zubat, originator of the phrase 'goddamn bats', and eternal annoyance due to its Supersonic move that causes confusion... every few steps in any cave where they're present. No luck for Flappy Bat here, as it's deemed not even good enough to get an average of 4. Just above them, Voltorb wins no fans, probably because of its unimaginative design of literally being a Pokéball, and being a bitch to clear when they show up in the wild. Up at #141, its evolved counterpart, Electrode, which in an amazing triumph of art just flipped the colours, isn't deemed to be a whole lot better.
The first stage evolution of the worst Pokémon ever, Weedle, is at #147. Slightly more annoying than its counterpart Caterpie for not being as cute and also poisoning your Pokémon, it lands with the same score as Voltorb. Tentacool got dealt a really bad hand as it lands just one place above it, I'm not sure why it is thought to be so bad myself, having not really played too much into water stages on any of the games, but as a fairly generic swarmy water Pokemon that ironically, isn't particularly cool at all, I can see why it's not done better.
Useless bug Paras is at #143. Its anime episode was entirely about it being useless and actual proper Pokémon pretending to faint in front of it and letting it win while it got progressively cockier for the little shit it is, and if you get one in the games it is horrible to attempt to train up for very little reward, so I can agree with a bottom 10 placing here too. Clown Pokémon Mr. Mime isn't the most useless Pokémon out there, but he certainly enters the uncanny valley really badly, making him one of the most unsettling Pokémon to see in the anime. With no evolves, and not being particularly powerful in battle, he's not worth the creepy image you'll have to put up with. Finally, the two forms of the evolution Spearow > Fearow make up the last bit of the bottom 10. They're fairly unimaginatively designed birds, they're everywhere on early routes and while I actually find it quite useful to have early on with its level 1 Flying-type move, neither is exactly a Pokémon that is either cute or cool for fighting, being just rather angry-looking birds.
That makes 2 full evolution trees, plus Mr. Mime, out in the first batch, with the majority of Weedle's taken down too. I guess we're sticking the evolves close together, or are we?
Posted by: Oliver 15th January 2019, 07:10 PM
Really surprised that both Spearow and Fearow are in the bottom 10, as well as Tentacool! 
Posted by: Cody Underwood 15th January 2019, 07:53 PM
Well these results are going well 
Posted by: Oliver 15th January 2019, 10:57 PM
Have you already lost a fave Cody?
Posted by: Oliver 15th January 2019, 10:57 PM
Next batch coming tomorrow, any predictions?
Posted by: Cody Underwood 15th January 2019, 11:09 PM
Posted by: DexTheHalls 16th January 2019, 12:56 AM
it’s just too ugly
Posted by: Iz~ 16th January 2019, 03:33 AM
Spearow is better at first, but I find the Pidgey line a lot more viable once you get past level 10 and especially evolve it. Pidgeotto/Pidgeot are powerhouses in the mid game and are some of the easiest evolves to get. Fearow I don’t think is as powerful and certainly isn’t as good looking. I should quantify on stats how they compare.
I don’t think it deserves bottom 10 though, it’s possibly the best early game bug obliterator.
Posted by: Joe. 16th January 2019, 03:55 PM
Pidgeot is one of the best "easy find" pokemon you can find. An icon.
Posted by: Oliver 16th January 2019, 06:32 PM
131 | Goldeen | 5.333
132 | Drowzee | 5.292
133 | Pidgey | 5.208
134 | Abra | 5.167
135 | Muk | 5.125
136 | Diglett | 5.083
137 | Grimer | 5.083
138 | Golbat | 5.000
139 | Rattata | 4.833
140 | Raticate | 4.833
For the most part Izzy we are still keeping the evolutions fairly close to each other!
First up tonight we have the pesky rat Pokemon Rattata, and its evolution Raticate. Found on almost every single route in the first-generation games, Rattata is well known for being fodder of the Youngsters in the Pokemon world. Surprisingly they both get the exact same average score in this; Raticate must leave SUCH a mark on people after evolving…
In at a surprising #138 is Golbat, who I thought might have cracked the top 100 mainly due to its evolution, Crobat, being quite popular in competitive gameplay. With an even 5.0 average it easily outshines Zubat.
Grimer and Muk slime their way into #137 and #135 respectively. Arriving late in the games and only really having one episode of note in the anime it’s understandable that these two may have been forgotten! Popping up in between them at #136 is Diglett. Probably more well known for its memes than its ability, at least this Pokemon actually has a location named after it (albeit completely pointless once the player gets access to Fly…
Perennial teleporter Abra makes a lowly appearance in this rate at #134 (I wonder why?...), and its only redeeming factor is how OP its final evolution Alakazam is in this first generation (it’ll be a while before we get to him though).
A very surprising early appearance for Pidgey here at #133. Possibly another that, like Rattata, was marked down for being shoved down our throats too much in the early parts of the game, it at least offers a better evolutionary line than its more rugged cousin Spearow (as evidenced in the comments above).
Finishing up this part of the rate are Drowzee (#132) and Goldeen (#131). I’m actually a bit surprised that Drowzee finished lower than its evolution Hypno (and how high he seems to be) but Goldeen is probably where I would have put her. She’s OK I guess but so non-descript compared to some of the other Water Pokemon. At least she has that iconic chant in the anime.
Goldeen, Goldeen, Goldeen, Goldeen…
Posted by: Cody Underwood 16th January 2019, 07:06 PM
you think that goldeen video is nuts check out victreebell screaming for 10 hours
Posted by: Dircadirca 16th January 2019, 07:18 PM
They can't all be in the top percentage of Rattata!
Posted by: Chez Wombat 16th January 2019, 07:53 PM
Awww, I loved the mystery of Abra and Drowzee was pretty cool too. Basically, all psychic types have the intrigue factor enough for me to like them. WTF at Diglett too, they're so adorably cute and tough fighters as well, better than the scary Dugtrio.
Viridian Forest is absolutely painful with training Caterpie/Metapod up, especially given in some cases you need Butterfree before the next gym!
I always got so sick of Rattata (and Pidgey) but I hadn't realised that they're actually pretty tough, Hyper Fang is a beast!
Posted by: Iz~ 17th January 2019, 04:37 AM
Abra looks cool but is bad when you get it and so awful to catch. However, a good set of anime episodes surrounding it in Indigo League.
Yeah, Rattatas can be pretty good but they are so slow to train to a point where it is good I normally don't bother. Mine are the 99%. And not having a weakness except for Fighting (which I always find hard to get on my team as the early Mankeys faint at the sight of their own shadow and you don't get anything else until a lot later) makes them a bit of a pain to battle as having a Rattata on either side, doing and receiving Normal damage, turns most moves into a 1x-exercise. I much prefer playing Pokemon off as a rock-paper-scissors simulator and Rattata is just the boring jack-of-all-trades thing that stops that and slows the game down.
Posted by: DexTheHalls 17th January 2019, 06:38 AM
Iirc Rattata doesn’t even get good coverage outside of its STAB Normal moves does it? There’s Bite which is a big one but Dark didn’t exist in Gen 1 and it’s not that helpful in Let’s Go with only 1 psychic family.
Posted by: HarryEzra 18th January 2019, 03:36 AM
Sorry guys Next batch will be up tomorrow,, feel free to predict what is next out 
Posted by: Defaze 18th January 2019, 12:44 PM
Pidgeot has a great design, but it's absolutely garbage in-game. Paltry Attack and literally 0 Physical coverage options beyond its STABs. At least it was gifted an iconic Mega Evo (which is completely neutered by loss of abilities in LGPE )
I've always unashamedly loved Goldeen and still have no idea why 20 years on. Queen. Abra and Mr Mime are way too low as well.
Posted by: HarryEzra 18th January 2019, 08:10 PM
121 Dugtrio 5.750
122 Geodude 5.750
123 Farfetch'd 5.708
124 Mankey 5.667
125 Tangela 5.583
126 Parasect 5.500
127 Graveler 5.500
128 Doduo 5.458
129 Magikarp 5.458
130 Kabuto 5.458
Finishing at 130 is the rock/water pokemon Kabuto which's design is based around a shellfish and can be evolved into Kabutops but where will that fair??. I am not surprised to see Kabuto crash out already the design is pretty basic and the evolved version is a lot more useful I feel like.
After that is Magikarp but let's be real did we expect this to go far? Battling a Magikarp is a usually an easy fight because iirc they just use a pointless move over and over means you can get them and knock them out. Pretty pointless of a pokemon when you think about it.
The next is the Geodude evolution further showing that a pair of evolution is in a section (well kind of Golem isn't in this section). As well as Duduo and Parasect (the latter I thought would be higher not going to lie).
One of the most cute looking design's is next as Tangela finishes at 125 but I'd be lieing if I use them a lot in battles or my parties etc. Just nice design for me anyway.
Finsihing off this section is Mankey, Far'fetch'd, Geodude (mentioned about their evolution also in this section) and Dugtrio. The latter I can safely say I am not surprised to see this low because much like the OG form Diglett, the Dugtrio evolution isn't that interesting its like two Digletts added on when you think about it
Posted by: Iz~ 19th January 2019, 10:50 AM
Magikarp has done remarkably well, especially doing comparatively well to Geodude and Graveler, who are both pretty awesome rock Pokemon, Mt. Moon is so easy with a good Geodude on side. The rest of that section is pretty mediocre however. Preparing the next one now.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 19th January 2019, 11:03 AM
At least Magikarp is open in its uselessness, that’s what makes it iconic *.*
Posted by: Iz~ 19th January 2019, 11:08 AM
PREPARE FOR TROUBLE!
111 Primeape 6.000
112 Machop 6.000
113 Weezing 6.000
114 Shellder 5.958
115 Ekans 5.917
116 Wigglytuff 5.917
117 Venonat 5.917
118 Exeggcute 5.833
119 Seaking 5.833
120 Caterpie 5.792
And 120th goes to a Pokémon I talked about a lot in the last section, Caterpie, the little caterpillar who represents the first Pokémon ever caught in the anime, and probably one of the first you'll catch in the games, as the game starts you out with weaker and less impressive Pokémon before building up to the greater ones. Caterpie shouldn't have been expected to do that well but it's well outperformed Metapod. Well done.
Seaking, Goldeen's evolution, notable because it makes the female-sounding Goldeen turn into a fish with a male suffix. And yes, they can be both genders, but tell me you don't instinctively assign one gender or the other to a large number of Pokémon.
A number of eggs is just above that, followed by Venonat, the first evolution form of a later-game bug Pokémon. And then Wigglytuff and this section has 10 different Pokémon all from different evolution lines and I'm struggling to find connections between the two. Wigglytuff looks like a rabbit and is very rarely seen in the games as who goes out of their way to evolve Jigglypuff?
Meanwhile Ekans is a common early-game sight and most people's first poison Pokémon, as long as you have the Red/FireRed versions, but it's not that strong and well, Team Rocket's Pokémon are/were all pretty useless from a gaming standpoint. Shellder and Machop, filler water and fighting Pokémon both, though the latter is probably the best Fighting line to train, are up ahead, sandwiching another Team Rocket and Poison Pokémon, Weezing. While Ekans ends up looking cool evolving, which is probably why Arbok's still to come, Weezing just makes the eternally, stupidly, happy-looking Koffing look downfallen and depressing, so I can be on board with it ending up that way around.
Finally, your reward for putting up with Mankey, Primeape, finishes off the section with the same score as Weezing and Machop.
Posted by: Dircadirca 19th January 2019, 11:44 AM
Aww I love Dugtrio. Always really liked the design and combat-wise it's quite a good glass cannon because it's surprisingly one of the fastest in Gen I (possibly the fastest that can learn Earthquake) to make up for garbage defence.
Also honestly thought Magikarp could do better because it's so iconic for being garbage, but I suppose that's countered by any amount of time spent leveling one up 
Posted by: Oliver 20th January 2019, 10:35 PM
More coming tomorrow! 
EDIT
Very hectic this past few days 
will get the next batch up tomorrow evening!
Posted by: Oliver 23rd January 2019, 10:48 PM
101 | Pidgeotto | 6.375
102 | Golduck | 6.375
103 | Lickitung | 6.375
104 | Clefable | 6.292
105 | Rhyhorn | 6.250
106 | Tentacruel | 6.167
107 | Magneton | 6.167
108 | Hypno | 6.125
109 | Koffing | 6.125
110 | Pinsir | 6.083
Starting us off in the last batch before the top 100 is Pinsir. A relatively average Pokemon and the "other half" of Scyther, I've never really seen it as overly popular, hence it's low placing. Probably because there isn't really anyone of note that actually uses it in battle. Not far ahead of its evolution, at #109 is Team Rocket bad boy Koffing. The eternally joyful of the two floating poison mines, Koffing made 29 appearances in the anime as James' go to weapon of choice before evolving in "Dig Those Diglett!".
At #108 is Hypno. No. Just no.
Moving on, at a relatively low #107 is electric Pokemon Magneton. I'm not actually sure why this is so low, it's a fairly solid electric type which gained the steel typing from generation 2 onwards (and, along with Magnemite, was the only Pokemon to change typing up until generation 5)! I actually like using Tentacruel in my team if I don't start Squirtle, it's a very solid water-type Pokemon that can be caught as soon as you gain access to Surf.
Rhyhorn is up next at #105. Not being able to be caught until the Safari Zone might put some people off including it in their teams, but the powerhouse that is Rhydon (who is still to come) quells that somewhat. Maybe that's why the evolution is higher? In a swap around, the evolution this time is lower down our list; Clefable tumbles into the chart at #104. Possibly due to needing a Moon stone to evolve Clefairy, its yet another Pokemon I'm surprised to see this low down (especially not making the top 100 at least).
What can we say about Lickitung? Another Pokemon who, like Diglett, is probably more known for the memes than any form of actual use in the game, it was another of Team Rocket's go to Pokemon (making 17 appearances). Jessie accidentally traded it for a Wobbuffet at a swap meet, paving the way for an even more useless Pokemon to emerge. At #102 is Golduck, the evolution of Psyduck and a fairly unremarkable Pokemon in general.
Finally in this section we have Pidgey's first evolution Pidgeotto. One of Ash's main companions for the early part of the anime, it continues the arc of solid if basic flying-type before evolving into the magestic Pidgeot. Also, it's generation 1 sprite is GOD AWFUL!
Posted by: Cody Underwood 24th January 2019, 06:56 AM
ARENA TRAP CAN GO DIE IN A HOLE
Weezing is a Pokemon that seems cool but it's a pain to try and evolve Koffing with those dismal stats
Pokemon changed typing in Gen 5? I thought those didn't happen until Fairy types! (unless I'm forgetting something obvious - don't say Arceus with type plates)
Poor Pidgeotto being the worst out of the OG 6 of Ash's Pokemon. I always count the OG 6 starting from that episode where he caught Krabby.
Posted by: Oliver 24th January 2019, 07:32 AM
Rotom when it gained the different type combinations for its different variations of household appliance!
Posted by: Defaze 24th January 2019, 06:14 PM
Lickitung's design is ridiculous in the best sense. I actually used one on my in-game team in LGE. Shame that Lickilicky is an absolute abomination.
No other huge losses in this batch for me bar Golduck. It's really crying out for a mega with a Psychic typing.
Shocked Clefable is so low, but I do find its design a bit shit and it's an complete nightmare to battle against. Edit: Turns out I rated it a 2.
Posted by: Cody Underwood 24th January 2019, 06:42 PM
Posted by: Dexton 25th January 2019, 05:26 AM
Clefable is way too low!
Lickitung is trash but Lickilicky was a beast in gen 4 for me, even if it's such a stupid looking Pokemon
Posted by: HarryEzra 26th January 2019, 08:46 AM
More results coming later
Posted by: HarryEzra 27th January 2019, 02:55 AM
I got super busy last night and tbh I didn't want to double post so more hype or comments pls x
Posted by: Iz~ 28th January 2019, 12:39 AM
do it!
I mean, I really enjoy Lickitung Koffing, you know, because of his stoned look.
Posted by: HarryEzra 28th January 2019, 09:53 AM
91 Sandshrew 6.583
92 Mewtwo 6.583
93 Sandslash 6.542
94 Kangaskhan 6.542
95 Magmar 6.542
96 Nidoran (f) 6.500
97 Magnemite 6.500
98 Nidorina 6.458
99 Oddish 6.417
100 Dodrio 6.417
Crashing out at 100 we have the evolved version of Doduo, Dodrio, a normal/flying type pokemon that has three heads and a bird-shaped body. Personally simular to how I felt with Dugtrio their evolution is basic in terms of both name and design like just add another head. I guess this has more props for having a bit of a different design beyond the three heads.
The cute little Grass/poison type pokemon oddish goes out next. Their evolution is a bit better so I am not surprised to see it this low, no matter how cute they are.
In this section, we lose both Nidorina and Nidoran. I thought they would both be higher up but I don't think they are proper losses I suppose .
Magnemite, Magmar and Kangaskhan re all out too. No proper losses here.
We do, however, lose one legendary pokemon already as poor brave Mewtwo. Personally, I think Mewtwo is good but could be better. I do love him in the pokemon movie though 
Lastly, we do lose an evolved pair in the form of Sandshrew and Sandslash both crash out. In terms of design, both are good designs I just forget about them sometimes so they are not the most memorable unfortunately.
Posted by: Dexton 28th January 2019, 12:55 PM
lmao Mewtwo lower than Sandshrew
Posted by: Defaze 31st January 2019, 10:36 PM
Sandshrew > Sandslash is my favourite gen 1 evo line, so I'm sad to see them both crashing out in the 90s. Sandslash is adorable for a fully-evolved mon.
Dewgong (lol) or Scyther to win. 
Posted by: Chez Wombat 31st January 2019, 11:46 PM
I mean Mewtwo isn't the best looking one granted, but I thought we would be kinder to the most powerful pokemon in the game and star of the first movie Maybe he'd be higher if the game wasn't literally finished when you caught him (or for the frustration of trying to catch it without a Master Ball).
Posted by: Dircadirca 1st February 2019, 04:35 AM
Maybe he'd be higher if the game wasn't literally finished when you caught him (or for the frustration of trying to catch it without a Master Ball).Reminds me of Yoshi on top of Peach's castle on Super Mario 64, which you can get to after getting all 120 stars and you get gifted with 100 lives...not really a necessity at this point
Posted by: Iz~ 1st February 2019, 08:29 AM
Sorry, I forgot it was my turn
Anyway:
81 Raichu 6.708
82 Clefairy 6.708
83 Gloom 6.708
84 Machoke 6.708
85 Persian 6.667
86 Horsea 6.667
87 Flareon 6.667
88 Onix 6.625
89 Krabby 6.625
90 Beedrill 6.583
Some very iconic Pokémon out in this section, but first let's go to Beedrill. The final stage of the Weedle evolution, this bee has a very fast attack what with Fury Attack available but is pretty weak and probably outclassed very soon after you get it. Right after it is Krabby, a rather anonymous Pokémon, the only thing I've ever noticed it for being that in the anime it's the first 'mon that Ash catches but doesn't keep on his team, so we just get scenes of it chilling with Professor Oak back at the lab every few episodes. Also it's literally just a crab.
Onix being so low is something I'm sort of surprised yet also not, to see. The giant rock snake that in the show is wielded by Brock and looks utterly formidable, in that in a real fight it would completely crush probably every other Pokémon in this generation, is remarkably weak in the Pokémon universe, having weak stats, is incredibly clumsy, and gets defeated by a set of sprinklers. That's not just your water pokemon dealing quadruple damage to it, that ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE SHOW (in addition to getting Pika-shocked while doing so which should have done nothing but hey, Pikachu's the hero, right).
Quite a surprise for me with the next one as an Eevee-lution falls! I assumed they'd all be very popular. Admittedly Flareon is the least impressive of the options and there are far too many cool fire Pokémon for him to stand out as one of them but it's quite a surprise to see him on a par with Horsea, another weak water Pokémon who I believe fights by spitting bubbles at the opponent. Also literally a seahorse.
A cat falls as Persian is also on 6 and 2/3rds, the evolved form of Meowth not as popular as its smaller form. I think it looks regal, but for an evolved Pokémon it's pretty weak so I can understand this.
An actually rather good fighting Pokémon in Machoke, the second form of Machop comes up, followed by a rather good Grass Pokémon in Gloom, which from my anime watching experience always seemed too happy to bear that name. And then there's Clefairy. A mild annoyance if you deal with them quickly, a major one if you're either hunting for it or get into a long fight with it, Clefairy Clefairy Clefairy and their Moon Stone they guard so jealously can wear your patience thin surprisingly quickly.
And then we get to the big one, Raichu. The Pokémon that Pikachu should have become, if it weren't for the commercial forces that be deciding that Raichu wasn't cute enough to be their mascot and therefore having their cake and eating it with Pikachu being super overpowered instead. As such, Raichu got rather sidelined in the Pokéverse, and by the time you get your Pikachu around to the point where it should evolve, you're either roleplaying and won't want to or you'll have much better options. Probably both, though a Raichu can be pretty powerful if you give it the right moves. How is Pikachu itself faring though?
Posted by: La Vie En Code 6th February 2019, 05:14 AM
On Harry’s batch:
Mewtwo ended up ranking a bit lower than I expected. I mean it was good in the first movie, albeit for showcasing how OP it is. Did the creators really need to shove it down our throats at any given chance tho? A Dragonball Z character as a Mega form? Slapping it into several movies to make it stick in our brains how iconic it is? And don’t get me started on Pokken Tournament. It’s blatantly overexposed and overrated.
Sandslash is nice but I like its Alolan Form better. Ice/Steel is a HORRIBLE defensive typing tho.
On Iz’s batch:
HOnestly if you’re using Raichu it’s bc you’re playing Sun/Moon/US/UM and it’s an alolan raichu. Surprised Flopreon made it this high but I’m probably the only person who has a high level of disdain for it. High attack stat and barely gets much to show for it until it’s too late. Persian is... okay, with being Giovanni’s ticket to being a stereotypical Bond villain its only highlight, but I prefer Meowth’s anime antics and iconic Alolan sprite.
Lol @ Beedrill. It was a hopeless case from the beginning, even its Mega didn’t do it any favors. Shoutouts to it getting the only damage dealing Bug move worth using in Gen 1. It still begs the question: why didn’t Butterfree get a Mega?
Posted by: HarryEzra 8th February 2019, 04:39 PM
71 Kabutops 6.875
72 Ivysaur 6.833
73 Pidgeot 6.833
74 Nidoran (m) 6.833
75 Seadra 6.833
76 Electabuzz 6.792
77 Tauros 6.792
78 Charmeleon 6.750
79 Poliwrath 6.750
80 Arbok 6.708
At 80 we have the poison type pokemon which evolves from Ekans. Based around a serpent snake, I personally think he is fairly handy but not one I would put in my team of pokemon. I like the design of him though, way better than his evolution.
Poliwarth is another evolved pokemon and is one of Poliwag's final forms. The other being gen II pokemon Politoed. I don't see much difference in the last evolution and this and therefore is not as cool in my opinion. But fairly respectable placing for it.
Charmeleon is the second evolution of starter pokemon "Charmander". This evolution to me is a bit okay a little bit different from Charmander but when you get the final evolution Charizard I don't see how this goes to that. Maybe I'm being picky .
Taruros, Electrabuzz and Seadra all finish at 77, 76, 75 respectively. Shame for Seadra's cute design 
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Another one of the Nidoran's is next out at 74 and as well in this second we have another evolved version of a starter pokemon, Ivysaur finishes at 72 and is part of the Bulbasaur evolution. Not suprised to see these two out even if I expected a little higher.
Posted by: Iz~ 9th February 2019, 03:47 PM
Always loved Poliwrath for ages. I think when I was little I remember seeing an episode when Poliwhirl evolved into Poliwrath and it was this big cliffhanger but Bulbapedia these days tells me I probably got the details of that a bit wrong and it was some random Orange Islands arc episode... it just didn't have the evolve. But Poliwrath just looks so imposing, love him.
Posted by: Iz~ 10th February 2019, 07:47 AM
61 Omastar 7.125
62 Golem 7.083
63 Omanyte 7.083
64 Nidorino 7.042
65 Rhydon 7.000
66 Seel 6.958
67 Moltres 6.958
68 Vileplume 6.875
69 Venomoth 6.875
70 Kingler 6.875
In a section with fairly few iconic Pokémon, one legendary bird stands out. The red one, the fire one, the one called Moltres and if you ever played Pokémon Go, the embodiment of PURE EVIL in Team V... whatever the red one was called. It's by some distance the lowest legendary bird, which I suppose makes sense for similar reasons as to why Flareon was the lowest Eeveelution, the fire boi is just not as cool as the water boi and the electric boi because all the cool fire designs went to the mainstream fire Pokémon while designs for the other two elements were... weak when going to their main lines.
The underwhelming Krabby evolution, the Venonat evolution that should have been the evolve of Caterpie from the art but got switched with Butterfree for design reasons and the final stage of Oddish/Gloom are here. Pretty nice Pokémon with no real standout traits, I don't believe I've ever used any of them properly in a team but I'm sure if you wanted to specialise in their type they'd be decent choices.
Seel is one of the cutest in the range of water Pokémon that are barely different from their obvious real-life animal inspirations, but this is just because seals themselves are really cute. The number one Pokémon to go clubbing with.
Rhydon, the end of the totally not a rhino line, is actually the evolved and better form that doesn't look as much like a rhino because it's standing up on two legs like some sort of lizard and they made Rhydon and Rhyhorn's name way too similar. This is so far down the numbers who is going to remember that? But it's far better than its weak first evolve of course, as it comes in at #7.
Speaking of rhinos, there's a poisonous variant here as the spiky poison rabbit (guy version) evolves into a spiky poison, slightly miniature if the anime is any indication, rhino. The highest of the four not fully evolved Nidorans, I tend to group them very much together in my thinking so the differences are quite surprising. Though I suppose Male starts with Peck which is a lovely first move.
Omastar and Omanyte, two of the fossil Pokémon, based off those very early sea fossils called ammonites that I'm sure took up the first slide in dinosaur class that one class you had on geology... are nearly together, and they've done well for two Pokémon at the end of the list who I'm not sure I rate that highly. In between them is the rock they were found in (perhaps) as the final form of Geodude is... a rock turtle called 'Golem' for some reason that just breaks all conventions in my mind about what a golem is and what the previous Pokémon it evolves from look like... though I suppose it's something to do with the rocks slowly becoming more life-like. Which is what a golem is, just life-like rocks, but the word gets used in fantasy fairly often as shorthand for 'artificial fantasy robots-that-are-probably-made-of-clay-or-stone created by magic' so this representation jars with me a little. It's pretty cool though, combining the mobility of its previous evolutions with the hard-hitting rock type.
Posted by: Dircadirca 10th February 2019, 03:47 PM
OOF!
Nice to see Omanyte & Omastar rank decently. I used to always pick the Dome Fossil but Twitch Plays Pokemon has made that evolution line all manners of iconic to me now. Also have always been a big fan of Golem & Rhydon, the beefy rock monsters who are monstrously scared of Water Gun.
Posted by: lewistgreen 10th February 2019, 04:43 PM
I’ve just had Venomoth and Vileplume in my team on Let’s Go Pikachu, both of which were pretty strong once they got to around the Lvl 50 mark, especially Venomoth being able to use psychic, poison and flying type moves! A very underrated Pokemon there.
Posted by: Oliver 13th February 2019, 10:14 PM
51 | Venusaur | 7.292
52 | Pikachu | 7.292
53 | Staryu | 7.292
54 | Gastly | 7.250
55 | Marowak | 7.250
56 | Dratini | 7.250
57 | Hitmonlee | 7.167
58 | Jynx | 7.167
59 | Dragonite | 7.167
60 | Cubone | 7.125
Sorry for the delay, had a stag do to go to and only just recovered! #lad 
At #60 in this section is the lovable Cubone. I don't really involve Cubone or it's evolution Marowak (also in this section at #55) in my teams, I just don't really feel the need for them. Marowak is well known for being the ghost at the top of Pokemon Tower in Lavender Town, and has recently been given an Alolan form in Pokemon Sun and Moon!
I'm very surprised at our next entry; at #59 is the pseudo-legendary Pokemon Dragonite. One of the most powerful Pokemon in the original games, he is often used by Lance of the Elite Four, and is only available right at the end of the game, having your Dragonair level up to a whopping 55!!! Dragonite can fly at Mach 2, circling the globe in roughly 16 hours. It's beginning evolution, Dratini, actually finishes higher at #56, probably due to the cuteness factor and the fact there is more chance of actually seeing and using this Pokemon...
...unless everyone just LOVED the Celadon Game Corner and collected all them monies.
I would have thought Jynx would have been lower than #58, especially with just how creepy she looks..., and straight after at #57 is another humanoid Pokemon Hitmonlee, who's name is a portmanteau of hit, monster and lee (from the famed martial artist Bruce Lee).
Ghastly, the ghost Pokemon that accompanies Marowak in Pokemon Tower, is at #54. One of a variety of Pokemon evolution lines that involves trading to evolve, it can be found as early as Sprout Tower in Pokemon Gold and Silver. Another Pokemon that needed a different way to evolve, spinning its way to #53 is Staryu.
Arguably the most famous Pokemon of all time, Pikachu, falters very much so in this rate, not even making the top 50! Landing at a very disappointing #52, I imagine it being shoved down our throats and not actually being that great meant it didn't appeal. Who knows?
Finally in this section is the first of the three final starter evolutions. Finishing well below their counterparts, Venusaur stumbles in at #50. Whilst Bulbasaur is known for being the best to use in the early game, I just don't see Venusaur being as strong as Blastoise and Charizard; especially in Pokemon Blue where there are very few fire Pokemon to choose from and choosing Charmander at the start is more a necessity than a choice.
Posted by: Iz~ 14th February 2019, 05:08 AM
A couple of negative scores really made Pikachu hurt. We had 12 votes, so if one of them gives out a -1 while a ton of less notable Pokémon get 8s from everywhere, that really shakes things up quite drastically. Just how rates work with a small sample size.
Posted by: Dircadirca 14th February 2019, 07:49 AM
A scarily significant amount of my childhood right there. Actually not only did I collect enough for Dratini, but my brother convinced me to buy the most expensive TM on sale there too, Substitute, promising it was some ungodly powerful attack...oh what a disappointment that was.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 14th February 2019, 07:31 PM
Out of interest, where would Pikachu have been without that -1? I guess it still would be a bit of an underperformance. Either way you (or Doug at least x) should all be ashamed, yes he's not the strongest fighter but he's a perfect mascot - I don't understand how one can dislike something so cute, funny and likeable :'(
On the positive, I'm glad we've recognised that Dragonite is very easily the weakest of the three dragons, I mean yeah he's powerful but he looks so goofy aesthetically and you'd have to take a pretty long detour from the game to get one at level 55 that it's almost not worth it. Dragonair on the other hand is beautiful and Dratini is cute as well.
Posted by: Iz~ 15th February 2019, 12:32 AM
On the positive, I'm glad we've recognised that Dragonite is very easily the weakest of the three dragons, I mean yeah he's powerful but he looks so goofy aesthetically and you'd have to take a pretty long detour from the game to get one at level 55 that it's almost not worth it. Dragonair on the other hand is beautiful and Dratini is cute as well.
Giving Pikachu a commentless 7 instead of the -1 (closest integer score to his average), he ends up in 16th place. Quite a fall yet still quite a way off winning.
Posted by: Doug 15th February 2019, 04:25 PM
Sorry not sorry I'm afraid guys! Overrated isn't even the word, yes the score is mainly based off of the anime where it seems as though it can beat anything (I mean for instance against an Onix no matter how much HP it would have left, it would still find itself mauled only trying to Tackle it over and over) I just don't find it that cute either.
Disappointed to see a couple of my favourites out, Vileplume especially, a real favourite since childhood. Yeah there are other Grass types with better stats but it has such a cool design for a Grass type and its support movepool is so much fun, not to mention with moves like Petal Dance/Giga Drain/Sludge Bomb/Moonblast it can help you get through a runthrough.
Posted by: La Vie En Code 15th February 2019, 04:30 PM
i think Pikachu is a lot better in other places rather than in the game itself but still... flopachu
Posted by: HarryEzra 15th February 2019, 11:47 PM
I'm gonna do another batch tomorrow guys. Prepare your pokeballs and health potions.
Posted by: HarryEzra 17th February 2019, 12:45 PM
41 Jigglypuff 7.417
42 Meowth 7.417
43 Poliwag 7.417
44 Ditto 7.417
45 Mew 7.417
46 Dewgong 7.375
47 Gyarados 7.375
48 Jolteon 7.375
49 Cloyster 7.333
50 Eevee 7.333
Kicking off the top 50 we have the ever cute Eevee which places a lot lower than I would have predicted but then again I think the evolved version is more loved than Eevee so I should not be too surprised to see it so low.
Next up is Cloyster which is evolved from a shelder. On the other hand, this placing feels about right imo. Same with #48, Jolteon.
Gyrados finishes next I have a lot of memories from this pokemon from the film and television series and I do like the pokemon. However, I can sometimes forget about them but its good in a way because then I appreciate them more when I find them.
Now if the pokemon rate was fully based on cuteness Dewgong would be in my top 10 such a cute little pokemon design.
Legendary pokemon Mew finishes a lot higher than their evolved version, Mewtwo, which is a bit shocking but I kind of get why.
Ditto and Poliwag reach a respectable placing for them.
Meowth aka the pokemon most commonly associated with Team Rocket in both game version and anime tv series/film. I am kinda surprised it didn't finish top 40 tbh. Same with Jigglypuff but both reach a good placing out of the whole Gen I Pokedex database.
Posted by: Dexton 17th February 2019, 01:53 PM
Mew rightfully ahead of Mewtwo, although wtf at Eevee being lower than Flareon AND Jolteon??? Vaporeon is the only Gen 1 Eeveelution worth using
Water types taking a hit here, Gyarados can be great competitively if given the chance as can Cloyster
Posted by: lewistgreen 17th February 2019, 02:10 PM
Poliwag 
Posted by: La Vie En Code 18th February 2019, 12:40 AM
Water types taking a hit here, Gyarados can be great competitively if given the chance as can Cloyster
Posted by: Defaze 21st February 2019, 01:52 AM
I wouldn't say that. Jolteon has always been on par with Vaporeon competitively, if not better. Flareon is admittedly tragic though.
A massive lol at Eevee crashing out. I used to be a fan, but the incessant shoving down our throats 20+ years after its inception is just bizarre. It really doesn't have the range to be fronting a mainline game. And the fact that it can't evolve in LGPE when that's its entire gimmick is beyond tragic. Leafeon remains iconic though.
Speaking of icons, Jigglypuff beating out the 'mascots' is hilarious to see. I don't really use her ingame but she's insanely fun to play as in Smash.
Posted by: Iz~ 21st February 2019, 11:09 AM
Eevee is best! Shouldn't be that low. I know it's meant to be adorable but that doesn't matter, it categorically is.
31 Butterfree 7.625
32 Vaporeon 7.542
33 Exeggutor 7.500
34 Machamp 7.458
35 Bellsprout 7.458
36 Weepinbell 7.458
37 Ponyta 7.458
38 Slowbro 7.458
39 Snorlax 7.458
40 Nidoqueen 7.417
Nidoqueen loses out quite dramatically against Nidoking, which is still to come, which seems weird, are we NOT a forum full of gays? 
It starts off the top 40 as a satisfyingly powerful end to the Nidogirl line.
Directly ahead of it, are two of the sleepiest Pokémon in the generation. Snorlax is famous for being incredibly big, bulky and most of all THICC, making him an absolute tank of a beast in whatever Pokémon game you play, I get the feeling his offensive power isn't quite as strong to make up for that but he's a Pokémon I've rarely used for fighting - big heavy things have never been my preferred gaming style - so don't quote me on that. Slowbro on the other hand is a Pokémon that has raised lots of philosophical questions. It evolves from Slowpoke when a Shellder bites its tail, causing the Slowpoke to stand up on its hind legs, psychically link itself to the Shellder, gets controlled by it when it bites harder and they both... become one entity? It's a little weird and the result is lower than its unevolved form, but much higher than the Shellder.
Ponies are awesome. Ponies on fire are approximately 20% more awesome, as the small Ponyta proves by being so high up. In a generation filled with strong fire types, if you aren't especially attached to ponies then it might go a little underrated but it's done so well here that we can count that as a victory.
Bellsprout, the incredible dancing tulip flower, and its evolved form Weepinbell land at the same score. Not quite as high as the final form but it just shows how much of a strong evolution line it is - and they work wonders in the games, if you haven't got a strong Grass Pokémon by the time you reach Bellsprouts I consider it a must have, because by then you're about to go up against a lot of Water Pokémon and it blows through them.
Machamp, one of the most primo fighting Pokémon, also got the same score. I've always found it a little scary, four arms and a weird reptilian face, but a very very effective ATK stat makes him one of the best.
Another in the incredibly weird concept Pokémon is Exeggutor. Now this isn't the frankly hilarious Alolan forms, but even the standard version, evolving from eggs into an egg-faced walking palm tree... it's memorable at least. Also another one for incredibly high stats - this time all around. I've started looking at Pokémon stats writing this commentary and I fear the wormhole this could drag me into.
Finally, two of the best Pokémon in this batch of 10 round it off. Vaporeon, my personal favourite of the Gen 1 Eeevelutions, is pretty excellent for a Water Pokemon, being tanky enough to dish it out while looking easily the coolest out of a type that doesn't have nearly as many cool-looking Pokémon as its opposite, Fire. I always call it Vape Nation in my mind, borne out of it being one of the most meta-strong Pokémon in the first few months of Pokémon Go because of its ease of obtaining and high SP compared to Jolteon/Flareon and well, nearly anything else that could be evolved for such a low evo point cost.
And then there's Butterfree. One of the first Pokémon you'll evolve fully in most games, its Psychic/Bug combination is excellent for the first couple of gyms, and getting confusion so early is lovely. It will get outclassed and I'm trying to get through this commentary without just resorting to the emotional end to 'Bye Bye Butterfree'. But it's that episode that cemented this Pokémon so loveably in the Pokémon canon, and it's always going to be considered at least respectfully if not outright loved. It's done well.
Posted by: Dexton 21st February 2019, 11:28 AM
Butterfree is Bug/Flying not Psychic/Bug x
Posted by: Iz~ 21st February 2019, 11:35 AM
Yes but it uses Confusion which is so valuable early on and so therefore the only reason I use it is for its Psychic abilities. So not technically... but in my mind it is, especially as Psychic-moves don't interact with many types because of their raw power for game balance reasons, so it seems like... less of a type and more an ability if that makes sense.
Posted by: Codester X 23rd February 2019, 05:00 PM
Y’all need Arceus. How is FLOPREON the highest gen 1 eeveelution?
Honestly if Butterfree were to get a Mega (and it should have gotten one during ORAS!), I’d probably want it to be Bug/Psychic just from its moveset alone.
Posted by: Oliver 26th February 2019, 06:44 PM
21 | Wartortle | 7.833
22 | Psyduck | 7.833
23 | Slowpoke | 7.818
24 | Poliwhirl | 7.792
25 | Kadabra | 7.792
26 | Rapidash | 7.750
27 | Victreebel | 7.667
28 | Haunter | 7.667
29 | Hitmonchan | 7.667
30 | Dragonair | 7.667
Starting us off is the final of the three dragon Pokemon, Dragonair. Perhaps due to being stronger than Dratini, and more likely to be used than Dragonite is the reason it is higher than both? I've always liked to use it, just a shame it's pure dragon and not a dual type. The other fighting Pokemon based on someone in real life is at #29. As the name suggests, Hitmonchan is based off legendary fighter/actor Jackie Chan; not sure where the boxing gloves come into it though.
There are a host of second stage Pokemon in this section, namely Haunter at #28, Kadabra at #25, Poliwhirl at a surprising #24 and Wartortle at #21. Poliwhirl is the only one I wouldn't have put in the top 30 out of those four, the others each have something about them; whether being a strong water type start Pokemon, being big in the anime and helping Ash to defeat Sabrina, or being one of the broken psychic type Pokemon in the first generation. In generation 1 I tend to stay clear of single-type Pokemon (with the exception of Arcanine because it is literally my joint favourite Pokemon), so I wouldn't use any of these personally!
Next we have the Pokemon with what could be considered the loudest, shrillest scream going, Victreebel. Well known for constantly eating James in the anime, it does very respectively in here, finishing at #27. At a pretty disappointing #26 is Rapidash. I expected this to finish much higher, considering there are still two full fire-type families left to come (where will they finish?). I guess it kinda doesn't really do anything that Arcanine or Ninetales doesn't already do...
Finally we have, side by side, two of the dopiest Pokemon going. Considering they are psychic types they don't seem to show it! Slowpoke, at #23, constantly leaves its tail in the water waiting for a Shellder to clamp on to it. Perhaps it might be brainy enough to know it'll evolve in that case, perhaps not. Even worse is literal slowpoke Psyduck at #22. Misty is the not so proud owner of this in the anime, and one thing that could be said about it is that it and it's evolution's names should have been switched. It would have worked much better having it as Golduck and the other, with a jewel on it's head, being called Psyduck.
Posted by: Harve 26th February 2019, 10:28 PM
Exeggutor's position is a travesty it's definitely in the top 10.
Posted by: HarryEzra 6th March 2019, 05:19 PM
11 Gengar 8.250
12 Bulbasaur 8.167
13 Aerodactyl 8.125
14 Nidoking 8.083
15 Chansey 7.917
16 Zapdos 7.917
17 Charmander 7.875
18 Alakazam 7.875
19 Porygon 7.875
20 Charizard 7.75
Kicking off the top 20 is the evolved version of starter pokemon Charmander despite being a fan favorite for many pokemon fans it seem's it has its fans on Buzzjack but not enough for top 10!. At 17 we also see the first version Charmander, crash out.
19 we have normal type pokemon Porygon which is pretty good to see considering I would have not pictured seeing this pokemon going far.
Psychic pokemon Alakazam which is the final form of Abra is out at 18 which seems about right I can defo use this pokemon in a fight because they are really useful to have especially in the psychic pokemon type.
Next, we lose out on another legendary pokemon, in the form of lightning bird Zaptos. Which, Along with Articuno and Moltres, it is one of the three Legendary birds of Kanto. Much like the original game you can only find this pokemon in a particular location.
The iconic queen Chansey is out next alongside the final form of the Nidoran family, Nidoking. Both crash out 15 and 14 respectively.
At 13 is the unique Rock/Flying Fossil Pokémon known as Aerodactyl, its unique because only a few cannot be found in the wild. You get this pokemon by using a revive from Old Amber at the Pokémon Lab on Cinnabar Island. I think the only other ones you can't get from the wild are the legendary ones and a few others. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
Anyway, we lose yet another starter pokemon at 12 which is Bulbasaur. The grass type pokemon has been a gen 1 starter staple of the series. Known for saying its own name a lot in the pokemon tv series/films. This pokemon defo has its fans for its cuteness. Only Squirttle remaining how it do??
Lastly, finishing the dreaded 11 place its Gengar which is the final form of Gastly and can only be evolved form Haunter when traded. Sadly, the ghost/posion type pokemon misses out on top 10 status. Rest in pepperoni.
Posted by: Codester X 6th March 2019, 05:34 PM
lol why use alakazam when earthquake is literally everywhere? High SP attack yes but other than that it dies to everything
Aerodactyl is the best Fossil Pokemon PERIOD. All the other fossil Pokemon that came after Gen 1 aside from maybe Cradily/Tyrantrum on a good day felt like a letdown in comparison.
Posted by: Oliver 10th March 2019, 10:27 PM
So, your top 10 is as follows (in alphabetical order):
Arcanine
Articuno
Blastoise
Growlithe
Lapras
Ninetales
Scyther
Squirtle
Starmie
Vulpix
#10 and #9 will be revealed tomorrow, an ideas who has fallen at the final hurdle?
Posted by: Dexton 11th March 2019, 02:03 AM
Bastiodon can be a fking beast on the right team but it can also be a huge waste of time if you don’t know what you’re doing Aerodactyl will always be #1 tho even if it’s mega was crap
Posted by: Iz~ 12th March 2019, 04:05 AM
My bad, let's get the top 10 going!
9 Blastoise 8.417
10 Starmie 8.375
First to fall are two really quite iconic Pokémon, though I'm a little surprised that Starmie's made it so far. Obviously one of Misty's key battlers from Gen 1, and a fair tank of a Water Pokémon, I guess it's just fairly hard to hate? I'm not sure on its effectiveness, I've never actually used one, but its moveset, with plenty of Psychic moves available, looks like a good one.
And Blastoise, another part of a heavy water start to the top ten, is the highest fully-evolved starter, with his first form yet to come (I guess this means we know who the best starter is). Blastoise is a powerhouse though and perfect for blasting your opponent with high force water jets, possibly the only Pokémon water attacks that would really hurt opponents in ways other than making them damp.
Posted by: HarryEzra 12th March 2019, 04:25 PM
Starmie is an icon and I won't see otherwise!
Posted by: Bangtan Cody 12th March 2019, 07:08 PM
Starmie getting so much recognition (although is it the lowest ranking Pokemon to score an 18? my flop taste)
It has okay defenses but more than makes up for it with amazing coverage. Any non-Electric Water type that can learn Thunderbolt was always gonna be a force to be reckoned with but Starmie has the speed to back it up. It got f*cked over in Gen 7 but UU today is basically the OU tier ten years ago.
Posted by: Doug 14th March 2019, 12:54 AM
Both underrated Waters getting that much needed recognition!
Arcanine to win, but I love that Growlithe is still in too. Name a more iconic evolution line I'll wait
Posted by: Oliver 14th March 2019, 07:40 AM
Arcanine to win, but I love that Growlithe is still in too. Name a more iconic evolution line I'll wait
There isn’t one.
Posted by: Oliver 14th March 2019, 07:41 AM
#7 and #8 up tonight, any guesses?
Posted by: Oliver 14th March 2019, 08:29 PM
08 | Scyther | 8.458
First up at #8 we have Scyther. I'm actually really surprised this managed to make it into the top 10, it's definitely the least deserving in my mind but let's not rain on it's parade! Seen as a parallel to Pinsir due to them both having a base stat total of 500 and both being Bug Pokemon, this one definitely has the upper hand of being more badass.
I've never really used it in any of the games, and it didn't really come into prevalence until generation 2, where it was gym leader Bugsy's main Pokemon. It did, however, let you storm to victory in the National Park competition if you managed to catch one with full health. Always made sure I had enough Park balls to catch one!
It also isn't that much of a standout in the anime either; the aforementioned one used by Bugsy is again the most noticeable.
07 | Articuno | 8.500
In at #7 is the final legendary Kanto bird, Articuno. Possibly the most graceful of the three, it's appearance was mistaken by Ash in the anime of that of Ho-Oh!! It was also the last generation 1 Pokemon to be included in the anime, not even appearing in the first season (not debuting until the 187th episode!!).
I always loved trying to catch Articuno solely for the fact that I have a fond appreciation of the Seafoam Islands. They were an absolute nightmare at times, and with it being in the middle of the sea meant a constant supply of hyper potions and super repels to make the journey easier. I also actually used Articuno sometimes against the Elite Four, which I can't say for Moltres and Zapdos...
A little tidbit...other than Smeargle (and Poliwrath in generation 2), Articuno is the only Pokemon that can learn both an accuracy-focusing move and a one-hit KO move (Mind Reader and Sheer Cold respectively). A deadly combination if not taken care of very quickly).
Posted by: Chez Wombat 14th March 2019, 09:49 PM
I love all the legendary birds but Articuno in particular is beautiful, I love it's battle cry in particular, as well as being amazing with the ice moves.
This top 10 is mainly very good, can't believe Charizard isn't there though, don't lie to me that that card wasn't the equivalent of being a millionaire back in the day
Posted by: Dircadirca 15th March 2019, 04:12 AM
Did not know either of these! I always assumed it really was Ho-Oh and it was a sort of teaser akin to how Togepi appears so early.
Posted by: Dexton 15th March 2019, 06:33 AM
Tracey had a Scyther didn’t he? I think idk he was so forgettable tbh
Posted by: Oliver 15th March 2019, 06:39 PM
Probably should have worded that a little better, the one he sees flying WAS Ho-Oh! It was in the second episode where he mistook the picture of Articuno (the one with the other birds and Arcanine) as Ho-Oh.
Posted by: Bangtan Cody 15th March 2019, 06:44 PM
Posted by: Dircadirca 15th March 2019, 06:55 PM
Ah, that sounds more like what I remember
Posted by: HarryEzra 17th March 2019, 12:09 PM
6 Lapras 8.542
5 Growlithe 8.625
At 6, just finishing off the top 5 is the duel water/ice type pokemon Lapras. Unlike most pokemon Lapras does not evolve into another pokemon. Lapras is certainly, for me anyway, such a memorable pokemon, I remember it from the anime, films, the cards and the games itself. Plus I think the design is both cool/dangerous and also quite cute at the same time. Which is what is best for most pokemon.
Growithe is a fire type pokemon that if exposed to a fire stone can evolve into Arcamine. Growithe has possibly one of the cutest designs ever. It reminds me of like a puppy meets a baby tiger and I don't know why . Aside from cuteness, very powerful in battle too iirc.
Out of who is left, predict who is next out?
Posted by: Dircadirca 17th March 2019, 03:04 PM
Gonna go out on a limb and say it'll be the Vulpix/Ninetales double next
Posted by: Doug 17th March 2019, 09:55 PM
Growlithe the most adorable Pokemon ever.
Sounds like the Arcanine/Ninetales rivalry could actually be a fight for the top I love both but the former is unparalleled.
Posted by: Iz~ 18th March 2019, 12:33 PM
3 Ninetales 8.667 (more 10s)
4 Vulpix 8.667
And that means that the top complete evolution tree is the oh so adorable and perfect FIREFOX... erm... Vulpix and Ninetails duo. They got exactly the same score and actually, not everyone rated them the same, I gave Vulpix a 10 with Ninetales an 8 because I just find the former far cuter. However more people gave Ninetales a 10 overall which allows it to gain this rate's bronze medal on countback.
As a really cool fire Pokémon and one of the best-looking, both are high prizes for Pokémon collectors, particularly as they're fairly rare and have much more fighting power than they might look as delicate foxes. They've always stood out to me among the list, again, Vulpix more so for me, but Ninetales also... well, it looks regal! And beyond the fire, Ninetales specifically has access to a number of different typed moves through a curse mythology surrounding it (hence why it's 'tales' instead of tails).
Interesting note on translation and origins, because this Pokémon line has one of the best of them. Ninetales is called Kyukon in Japanese, which is kind of a combination of 'nine' and 'fox' (well, 'ko' is an alternate way to say kitsune, which is the legendary fox which can breathe fire), which also when you read the whole word can also mean 'old grudge', while Vulpix, is Rokon, which means 'six' and 'fox', because it has six tails. That parallel isn't so obvious in the English translation, which just seems to be the Latin word for fox (vulpes) messed around a bit, unless you assume the 'ix' is meant to be six. Which is something I was never really looking for.
Anyway, long story short, nine beats six on a tiebreak despite being eaten by seven.
Posted by: cantthinkofaname 18th March 2019, 12:41 PM
Omg Squirtle being top 2 is so perfect! He was always my favorite Pokemon and Arcanine being in the F2 makes this just the most perfect Top 2 in any game ever. <3
Posted by: JüperBass 18th March 2019, 05:19 PM
Everyone likes water and fire eh?! Starmie and Lapras being so high <3 and Ninetales too. Poor Bulbasaur tho!
Posted by: Oliver 23rd March 2019, 10:04 AM
Your final two; Arcanine and Squirtle, Squirtle and Arcanine, are coming later today/tomorrow. Which one has claimed the total of Buzzjack’s Favourite Generation 1 Pokemon?
Posted by: Oliver 24th March 2019, 10:11 PM
02 | Arcanine | 8.750
Along with Growlithe, Arcanine is my favourite Pokemon of all time. I remember it being the first Pokemon card I ever received and was so disappointed when it turned out that I had to trade it to my Pokemon Blue version! Arcanine is a "legendary" Pokemon (although not in the traditional sense), boasting very high stats with powerful fire-type moves, and needing a fire stone to be evolved from Growlithe. There are a lot of Arcanine seen in the anime, most noticeably Gary's Arcanine. In the beta for Pokemon Red and Blue, Arcanine's original name was supposed to be Blaze... I like Arcanine WAY better!!
With 150 Pokemon already out the way, this means your winner is...
01 | Squirtle | 8.958
So close to a 9 average for Squirtle. A very deserving winner, it is often thought of as the "cool" starter Pokemon, evidenced by the Squirtle Squad in the anime and being a kick-ass water type! It also seems to be the "in" starter Pokemon of choice, with Ash, May, Gary and Tierno all owning one at one point or another!
Posted by: HausofTove 24th March 2019, 10:15 PM
Perfect winner! I forgot to vote but Squirtle would've been my 11 so I'm happy it's still managed to snatch it
Thanks for running it. Are we getting Gen 2 next? *.*
Posted by: Chez Wombat 24th March 2019, 10:54 PM
That's a winner I can get behind, probably my favourite starter (close between him and Bulbasaur, just not Charmander lol) and very fun and cute in the anime too. Wow, we really like fire types too don't we? Arcanine, Ninetales (and Rapidash for that matter) are all pretty stunning looking, powerful and cool. It's just a shame Fire has some clear weaknesses that make it less workable in the games.
Thanks for this guys, great nostalgia trip! I'd happily partake in a Gen 2 rate too but that's definitely as far as my Pokemon knowledge goes~
Posted by: Doug 25th March 2019, 10:32 PM
Arcanine being the highest fully evolved Pokemon is good enough for me my favourite Pokemon overall across every generation, a fierce design, so well rounded and can do anything you want it to. Squirtle is my favourite starter from this generation though so not a bad winner at all.
I would gladly take part in a Gen 2 rate as well, hell I'd take part in all of them.
Posted by: Dexton 25th March 2019, 11:26 PM
Gem 2 rate would be amazing Gen 3 is where my knowledge is at its best tho, I can’t say how many times I played through Ruby when I was younger!
Posted by: Bangtan Cody 25th March 2019, 11:29 PM
Gen 3 is the best generation tbh
Posted by: Prettylittlebry 31st March 2019, 08:35 AM
YES
Posted by: HarryEzra 1st April 2019, 03:56 PM
Would you guys want more rates of other gens? also if you are interested in doing a rate here feel free to msg a mod btw!
Posted by: Bangtan Cody 1st April 2019, 07:17 PM
WE NEED A STARTERS RATE
Posted by: Prettylittlebry 1st April 2019, 07:53 PM
Yes more gen rates please! Also, a lengendary/mythical rate would be awesome.
Posted by: natelivliv 27th June 2019, 09:01 PM
The last gen I ever played. Y'all better stan for Verizon. Dem boots.
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