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Posted by: mdh 16th February 2017, 09:04 PM

A casual chart fan here

Where do you think Giants will chart officially in its first week? Bear in mind the track has physical singles to sell too!

Feel free to post where you think below and vote in the poll

Posted by: cqmerqn 16th February 2017, 10:28 PM

Top 10 with physicals I guess?

Posted by: jay727 17th February 2017, 12:24 AM

I do hope top 10 at least, but I can't ever tell with the charts these days (no pun, haha)

Posted by: ___∆___ 17th February 2017, 01:17 AM

Early reaction seems very positive - Also the 2 X CD bundle will give a decent boost as they usually just release 1 CD.

Hopefully Polydor will push this hard on streaming too but I think this will go Top 10.

Posted by: nirvanamusic 17th February 2017, 10:22 AM

I'd really like it to go top 10 as that is a major achievement considering their long standing as a POP artist where chart single success is only limited to a certain time frame but it's really uncertain where it'll end up.
Acts like Madonna, Kylie etc really struggle to go top 40 let along top 10 so I'd vew any TT single from here on out going top 10 as a major success however even top 40 would be good.
To compare them with a similar act Backstreet Boys last lead off single (granted we're talking 2013 here) charted only in Germany #100 and not in any other major music market top 100. Plus that was a reunion record with all five members so the equivalent of TT 'The Flood'. For me as long as the albums continue to sell well for the current climate of sales then I'll be happy as that represents the collective work of the group.
A top 10 single would be fantastic though but they need to flog themselves all over TV not just for first half of week where there is heavy radio play, Let It Shine, music video potentially etc all 7 days. Once a song charts highly it creates it's own hype as it has status top 5, top 10 etc etc. This is normally what has been happening with TT singles it goes high on iTunes then last four days drop, drop, drop.
The carpool karaoke and performance on Late Show in US will definitely help it Worldwide but that's a month away so ideally they need to push it up charts and keep it around the top until then.
The UK is their obvious priority however I'd love for the track to go top 40 around Europe as well. If it charts well outside Europe then obviously that's a bonus (Patience,The Flood etc) then that'll be great however the hard work starts at home before going elsewhere. It would help the album sell outside the UK also if that was the case.

Posted by: pippa 17th February 2017, 02:28 PM

An optimistic top 10,i would be delighted if they can get there. Streaming is what will prove difficult for them.

Posted by: mdh 17th February 2017, 05:08 PM

After hearing how good the song is, I'm gonna be optimistic and say low top 5.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 18th February 2017, 03:15 AM

Fingers crossed, top 10.

Posted by: cqmerqn 18th February 2017, 02:58 PM

Top 5 now I think.

Posted by: ___∆___ 18th February 2017, 06:25 PM

Better than expected start on Spotify at #59 thanks to the new music playlist.

Their social media accounts are really plugging Apple Music and Spitify too. HMV tweeted that they are also selling the CD singles in all stores which could help pick up a few causal sales.

I really hope they make Top 10 - can't wait for the first set of mids so we can see how well (Or not) they have sold on physicals.

Posted by: milly 18th February 2017, 09:22 PM

Before tonight, I'd have said top 10, but now, with 0 promotion, probably top 75.

Posted by: ___∆___ 18th February 2017, 10:59 PM

^^ There's no way this will miss the Top 40 IMO.

'Cry' had no physicals, limited streaming and managed to chart at #21 officially, whereas this is the lead single this era, has 2 physicals and is Top 60 on Spotify.

'Cry' got 2 sales out of me - the initial download and then the remix EP that was released a few weeks later, 'Giants' has managed to get 5 sales out of me in week 1 (2x bundles, 1x download). A quick scan on social media shows literally 100s of fans posting about their signed CD bundles.

I think the fan base will chart them this week and then the general public sales will build up over the coming weeks as promo starts for the album, also hopefully Polydor have a budget/plan to get them on the Spotify playlists!

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 19th February 2017, 12:08 AM

cd single alone would hopefully help them add 5,000 sales is what im hoping for at the least

Posted by: cqmerqn 19th February 2017, 12:11 AM

Aren't/weren't they on Let It Shine?

Posted by: milly 19th February 2017, 08:47 AM

Cry was no 5 on iTunes for a long time, whereas Giants is free falling. I desperately want you all to be right about Giants charting higher than Cry, though.

Posted by: jay727 19th February 2017, 01:03 PM

I think if Giants now makes top 20, it'll be a miracle

Posted by: nirvanamusic 19th February 2017, 02:56 PM

I think it's disheartening that they are allowing the single to free fall. I think they know that their audience still like singles and music videos etc so still do them to keep the fans happy.
Maybe this first week isn't the big push for the single and the next coming weeks are instead? In the past first weeks were essential in the singes chart but now outside the big names who go straight in at #1 most other artists climb I believe. In terms of singles TT are one of those artists as is Robbie. Love My Life started at #57 went up and down until it's 9th week in top 100 eventually peaking at #22. Am unsure why that was but maybe the same will happen for TT?
The song will most likely go top 10 in Scotland as since their reunion in Scotland these have been their top 10 singles:

Scotland

Patience: #1 (4 weeks)
Shine: #1 (1 week)
I'd Wait For Life: #6
Rule The World: #2
Greatest Day: #2
Up All Night: #2
Said It All: #1 (1 week)
The Flood: #2
These Days: #1 (1 week)
Cry: #6.

Posted by: iamstrong 19th February 2017, 03:47 PM

Top 20, hopefully top 10

They really should've released the video with the single and promoted the song on Let It Shine. I don't know what their plan is.

Posted by: jay727 19th February 2017, 04:21 PM

Seems like there isn't a plan. They know the first week is crucial for their releases, so why not have any promo lined up?

Posted by: nirvanamusic 19th February 2017, 04:56 PM

Maybe Gary has too much on the go and juggling them all?

Posted by: jay727 19th February 2017, 05:53 PM

He's always said everything moves for TT, but who knows. It's very odd

Posted by: bigwiglaf 19th February 2017, 09:14 PM

As one not following the new stuff at all, methinks it'll eventually go somewhere in the top 10....

Posted by: Mullo 20th February 2017, 11:18 AM

#4 in the midweeks

Posted by: ___∆___ 20th February 2017, 12:38 PM

Physical sales must have been very good It's also helped that each bundle counts as 2 sales.

They are now down to #19 on iTunes though with seemingly nothing coming up promotion wise that will stabilize them from free falling

Posted by: nirvanamusic 20th February 2017, 01:30 PM

That's good midweeks however they are always front heavy and then free fall so unless they steady or release the music video/perform on a show they will fall. The frustrating thing is if they promoted now they could go higher.

Posted by: pippa 20th February 2017, 02:59 PM

The opening mid weeks is great but at this point of the week it is falling everywhere. I do hope the sales achieved so far through the cd single and itunes etc. combined with the streaming they have achieved will be enough to secure a top 20 position. I do sadly believe there is a chance this will chart lower than Cry which is a disaster for a lead single. The complete lack of promotion is frustrating. If the lead single performs like this the follow ups will be lucky to reach the top 200.

Posted by: ___∆___ 20th February 2017, 03:24 PM

Yes we are moving into lll territory again expect 'These Days' was a gold selling #1!

If this performs poorly and they are not promoting it then I can't see the follow ups doing anything.

Posted by: jay727 20th February 2017, 03:53 PM

Massive potential here too, given it's #4.

Even if they perform it next week on LIS, it'll probably rebound for a day into the lower top 10. They need to deploy everything in the first week if they are going to chart well

Posted by: Tinasha 20th February 2017, 04:15 PM

Top 100 would be wonderful

Posted by: ★ Jay ★ 20th February 2017, 04:19 PM

It's already sold enough copies so far to remain Top 20 on Friday, so there's no need to worry about that! I imagine the worst it'll do is end up entering in the 11-15 area.

If they don't have any strong promo lined up though, it'll inevitably free-fall in week 2, and that'll be hard for it to recover from. Ideally it needs to be added to the Hot Hits UK Spotify playlist too.

Posted by: pippa 20th February 2017, 05:21 PM

Either way of where it charts this week it will most likely plummet out of the top 40 next week. Do we know how well its getting radio plays?

Posted by: ___∆___ 20th February 2017, 10:45 PM

I actually don't care if it plummets - Id rather have a 12-43-62-51-58-70-74 type chart run than a 63-66-72. At worst with the sales they have already clocked up it will be a Top 15 hit this week.

Posted by: milly 21st February 2017, 09:20 AM

BBC R2 only gave it 6 plays this week - no wonder almost nobody knows about the song.
Heart gave it the most spins, but there's no other major station playing it It would have been great if it had been playlisted by Capital.
http://comparemyradio.com/tracks/Take_That/Giants

Posted by: Mullo 21st February 2017, 12:01 PM

Such a radio friendly song too. Quite surpised by the lack of plays

Posted by: pippa 21st February 2017, 02:17 PM

Hopefully radio plays will improve going forward.

When Id Wait for Life charted at number 17 as a third single i felt it flopped. Comparing to performances of singles now it would seem like a big hit

Posted by: JosephStyles 21st February 2017, 03:44 PM

Just to give you guys an update on where Giants might chart, it's currently #5 in Tuesday's midweeks having sold just over 1k yesterday. If it sold the same for the rest of the week, it would end up at #11, and is likely to be a bit lower considering there's missing streaming data too. As of right now I think top 15 is still achievable but top 10 is out of the question I'm afraid!

Posted by: ___∆___ 21st February 2017, 06:42 PM

162 radio plays so far A few more spins from R2 and Heart seem to be on board now but no big stations are backing it - Capitial seem to love 'pop' so was expecting early support from them!

Posted by: pippa 21st February 2017, 07:36 PM

Top 15 is looking more likely now, possible safe top 15 which i can accept. Top 10 would have been wonderful but its not going to happen now.

Posted by: jay727 21st February 2017, 08:34 PM

What's frustrating is that with physicals and a performance on LIS, they could have easily consolidated top 10, perhaps even top 5.

Top 15 isn't too bad though, considering it plummeting down iTunes

Posted by: pippa 21st February 2017, 09:43 PM

A top 10 was extremely achievable if it got promotion behind it. Sadly, its for this reason it will result in a much lower peak position.

Posted by: ___∆___ 21st February 2017, 09:45 PM

^^

Agree it wouldn't have taken much at all to make sure this went Top 10, it's not like they would have had to haul themselves round daytime TV or something. Literally a key performance on LIS would have clinched it.

There is clearly a demand for them as not many acts can challenge for a Top 10 placing in the streaming era and it's even more impressive for Take That that they have managed to combat streaming with seemingly huge physical sales.

Posted by: pippa 22nd February 2017, 04:20 PM

I find it more frustrating that they will miss a top 10 placing due to poor promotion. As you say, it would'nt have taken much of a push to have made Giants another top 10 hit.

Posted by: mdh 22nd February 2017, 06:32 PM

Personally I'm surprised they didn't secure a BRITs performance, I mean they're EASILY a big enough name ands Giants sounds made for big live performances.

Posted by: ___∆___ 22nd February 2017, 06:38 PM

#7 in today's mids - they have only sold an additional 2,000 since Monday.

Tragic that apart from a web interview they have done 0 promotion - not even a pre-recorded slot on daytime TV! It's not like they would struggle to get on most shows - appreciate they might not want to go on certain shows but anything is surely better than nothing?

The single is also down to #28 on iTunes. I find it baffling that they managed to combat lack of streams by making a physical bundle available and then literally sat back and done nothing else

Posted by: jay727 22nd February 2017, 07:11 PM

It makes no sense to me. I just hope they can hold on to top 10...although, it's unlikely if they only sell another 2k today and tomorrow

Posted by: pippa 22nd February 2017, 09:08 PM

2K is disappointing but its an improvement on selling only 1k from Monday to Tuesday.

Posted by: ___∆___ 23rd February 2017, 12:35 AM

They tweeted earlier that more signed CD single bundles were available, they sold out pretty quickly which will be a welcome boost.

Seriously if (And a big if!) they make the Top 10 it'll be a huge achievement with no promo and no streams!

Posted by: ★ Jay ★ 23rd February 2017, 07:29 AM

Triangle meant 2k sold across 2 days, so it's 1k per day - no improvement.

Posted by: pippa 23rd February 2017, 03:05 PM

The Brit awards will also push them down further as most of the performers from that are rising.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 24th February 2017, 02:18 AM

It will prob do a chart run of 12-54-77-68 out is what I'm expecting now.

Posted by: ___∆___ 24th February 2017, 04:12 PM

Will definitely be out of the Top 50 next week (I think it could fall further TBH). It's #37 on iTunes, streams are minimal and I doubt they will sell any physicals outside of week 1.

Such a frustrating release! It bothers me that they combated lack of streams with physicals and then didn't do any promo! I know Howard's baby was born this week but they could have pre-recorded some/any promo

Posted by: milly 24th February 2017, 04:54 PM

Nooooooooooo....#13

Posted by: ___∆___ 24th February 2017, 05:34 PM

Was hoping for #11 or #12 - So frustrating that they are so close to the Top 10 and a LIS performance probably would have got them there.

Dreading the inevitable 13-67 drop next week.

For comparison their lead singles so far -

Take That & Party/Do What U Like #82
Everything Changes/Why Can't I Wake Up With You #2
Nobody Else/Sure #1
Greatest Hits/How Deep Is Your Love #1
Beautiful World/Patience #1
The Circus/Greatest Day #1
Progress/The Flood #2
Progressed/Love Love #15
lll/These Days #1
Wonderland/Giants #13

Posted by: pippa 24th February 2017, 07:06 PM

Impressive physical sales, but disappointing that between streaming and downloads it only managed 12,000.The big drop next this week is a certainty.

Number 86 debut in Ireland this week.

Disappointed the Ultimate Collection has departed the top 100 as it has been as high as 87 in some mid-weeks. The Brits affect probably knocked it out

Posted by: ___∆___ 24th February 2017, 07:14 PM

That's a grim opening week in Ireland for them but I guess they didn't have the added benefit of physicals to boost them in Ireland. Still white fall from 'These Days' which went to #8 there.

Posted by: mr_pmt 24th February 2017, 07:45 PM

I don't think that's too bad, obviously it will dive bomb but even considering how much has changed in the climate for acts like these to make a decent impression in the singles chart since they last released music.

Posted by: milly 24th February 2017, 08:13 PM

It's pretty impressive that, in terms of sales, TT are not that far off from Ed Sheeran. Ed is staying so high mainly due to streaming.
Take That were no 5 in the sales charts - that says a lot about how streaming is screwing them over.
Although, if enough fans bought the single, streaming wouldn't have been important after all.

Posted by: MOTTFAN 24th February 2017, 09:33 PM

Evening all, my first post here!

Disappointing placing but considering the lack of promo and video, coupled with the impact of streaming I guess it could have been a lot worse. When IS the video coming by the way? I thought it was filmed a few weeks back.

I dread to think what would've happened without the exclusive b-sides on the physical CDs though. I bought the 2 cd bundle purely for extra songs and I assume I wasn't the only one to do so. If all they had released was a one-track download I wouldn't have bothered buying it, Id've just waited for the album to come out (is that bad of me? Lol)

Posted by: jay727 24th February 2017, 09:55 PM

Welcome Mottfan!

Completely agree, could you imagine if they had done something to These Days or The Flood (i.e. no b side or proper physical).

In fairness, top 15 is still a great result when compared to acts like them, or even Robbie (he's had a tonne of promo this era and still hasn't had a top 20 single from THES). Let's not forget top 15, in the streaming era with ZERO promo.

Let's hope they are saving all the promo to give the album a big kick!

Posted by: elisabeth1974 25th February 2017, 07:01 AM

Robbie has charted with LML for months and beats TT new lead single on iTunes still. Plus all of his singles chart in more than two dozen countries, his album went to no 1 in 16 countries. How can you be that biased as fans of Take That?
Just like the lack of impact PLAR made in the UK (it charted at no 1 in other countries) Giants simply does bad. The chart position is due to the preorders of people who simply order because ot is TT. As soon as they heard the single it lost its impact and drowns. The reason is not the lack of promo. As you see with PLAR you can promo endless when people don't 'get' the song. They don't get Giants. I think it is not because the song is not good. It is as good as any song. But TT is a 5 or at least a 4 piece. TT 3 is not that appreciated. And gary needs a lot of time for other projects. For me, Wonderland will be relased so that they have a UK tour based on the album and Mark and Howard can own a bit of TT money. Gary does not need it anymore.

Posted by: milly 25th February 2017, 09:13 AM

Oh please, Elisabeth! Can't you just stick with Robbie's page for his praising?! Nobody is bothering you there.

What promo exactly has Giants had, so that people had the opportunity to NOT GET the song? I'm more than willing to concede your point if Take That have an important promotion slot and the single does absolutely nothing. Until then, it's all supposition on your part and facts on ours. When I look at the main page on this forum, almost everyone who's heard the song likes it.
Robbie may have shifted a few copies in other countries, but then again, he just came off a big international tour and heavy, heavy, heavy promotion.
We're simply comparing what's comparable at this point: the situation in UK, period. And nobody was doing it to put down Robbie. We were just trying to emphasize the fact that TT have done decently with 0 promotion and bad streaming.

As for LML beating Giants on iTunes, that's only due to PROMOTION - have you magically forgot a little show called THE BRIT AWARDS this week? I'd say that, for such an important slot, LML is actually doing pretty bad on iTunes. LML #33, after the Brits, Giants #37 after...NOTHING.

Posted by: milly 25th February 2017, 10:09 AM

I think I fell in love with the acapella version of Giants Gary's voice is soooooo clear and the harmonies are so beautiful, almost choir-like. Whoever did this is a genius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIm8095LvmQ

Posted by: MOTTFAN 25th February 2017, 11:16 AM

Grrrr YouTube has taken down the acapella version of Giants. Was really looking forward to hearing it too!

Posted by: milly 25th February 2017, 11:21 AM

It's still working for me. Install Hola and set it for another country. It's working for the USA for me.

Posted by: MOTTFAN 25th February 2017, 12:10 PM

Thank you so much milly

That YouTube channel is amazing, I was like a kid in a sweet shop lol. Loving the acapella songs and how on earth did I not know about all of the extended versions of those early TT songs??!!

Posted by: milly 25th February 2017, 01:49 PM

You welcome

The acapella versions are incredible. Freeze sounds amazing.

Posted by: MOTTFAN 25th February 2017, 11:18 PM

Oh dear... no Giants on Let it Shine tonight. Absolute madness!

Could it be that the BBC wouldn't allow it, in case it was seen as an abuse of Gary' s position in the show?

On the plus side, it was a great performance of The Flood. And it just looks/feels right with 4 members on stage together.

Posted by: ___∆___ 25th February 2017, 11:58 PM

Yes definitely must be something to do with self promotion on the BBC?

The Flood has jumped to #108 on iTunes, pretty sure if they had been allowed to perform 'Giants' it would be back in the Top 20.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 26th February 2017, 12:59 AM

Looks like Giants will never get any promotion. I enjoyed the flood performance as i love that song. Giants isnt a patch on the flood or many other singles by them for that matter. I like Giants but its not a song i would purchase if it wasnt for the fact i wanted the cd singles for my Take That collection. I am hoping (and im confident there will) be much better songs on the album.

Im really disappointed by the very low debut of number 86 here in Ireland. I had hoped low top 40.

Posted by: nirvanamusic 26th February 2017, 08:42 AM

Will the music video see the light of day?

Posted by: milly 26th February 2017, 02:40 PM

Yup, whatever the reason, Giants doesn't seem to be getting any promo soon.
Gary did say in an interview that he was anxious to get the new music out there and he couldn't wait anymore - maybe that's what happened - they hurried up with the single instead of waiting for March and that's why they didn't have any promo lined up.

I'm still hoping that this was just a buzz single and they'll follow up with a 2nd one, right before the album release. Fearne Cotton was gushing about Hope - maybe they'll release that one as the leading single for the album.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 26th February 2017, 09:03 PM

Ya it would be great if Giants was only a buzz single but the release of the cd single suggests it wasnt and that it is the lead single.

Posted by: jay727 26th February 2017, 09:11 PM

If I remember correctly, I recall Andrew Lloyd Webber wasn't allowed to perform any of the music from Love Never Dies leading up to its launch, due to the promotion issue. Although, he could perform any of his back catalogue, which probably explains why they did The Flood.

Must say, they were fantastic last night. Best I've heard Robbie ever sing it

Posted by: MOTTFAN 26th February 2017, 10:07 PM

I can KIND OF understand the BBCs stance on this, given that they have to be seen to be impartial etc, but when you break it down its a bit of a flawed policy really...

BBC - sorry Gary you can't perform Giants tonight as we can't be seen to be allowing you to use Let it Shine as a promotional vehicle for take that.

Gary - what??? cant you just ask graham to do that thing afterwards that the BBC always does by saying "other songs by reformed 90s boy bands are available"?

BBC - no. Sorry.

[PAUSE]

BBC - but...if you want, feel free to promote one of your old songs instead.


In my mind, if the BBC have decided it's ok for TT to perform on Let it shine then it shouldn't matter what song they sing. Whatever they sings its "promotion" of sorts.

Posted by: milly 27th February 2017, 09:30 AM

Agree with MOTTFAN.

But even admitting that BBC didn't allow them to perform Giants, there's still no excuse for the lack of promotion through other vehicles.

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th February 2017, 01:42 PM

^^This! Regardless of the reason of not performing 'Giants' on LIS there is no excuse for zero promo elsewhere! As I said previously it's not like they would struggle to get on most TV shows.

It's the fact there hasn't even been key radio interviews either that gets me - they have literally done nothing apart from a live Facebook interview.

I just don't get why they went to so much effort with physicals, new b-side, live tracks etc., and managed to combat lack of streams and then forgot they had even released it.

The album will do well - Take That are very much an album act now but it will be a fan base album as they have so far failed to inform the casual listener/general public that they are back.

Posted by: pippa 27th February 2017, 02:05 PM

The problem they now face, and most likely experienced with Three, is they are losing fans and failing to attract the casual fans. Giants, will have done nothing to reverse this which indicates the new album will sell less than Three. That said, all they need is a classic Take That style ballad to try and stall or reverse the decline in sales. However, with the complete lack of promotion invested into Giants i am apprehensive with how the Wonderland era will perform all round.

The performance of the 2nd single will play a major influence, for the 2nd single they really need to put in the work.

Posted by: milly 27th February 2017, 02:06 PM

There is seemingly an interview with Chris Evans on March, 31. That's another thing I don't understand - I'd have thought they would throw in all the big guns to promote the album before the release or during the release week, when most of the sales happen.

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th February 2017, 03:14 PM

^^I won't judge yet until we see what promo they actually do but the whole thing feels like a mess at the moment.

Gary is everywhere working on multiple projects and Howard and Mark are nowhere to be seen? I know Howard has just had his baby but there is nothing to stop the band members individually getting promo.

The comments about losing fans is right - they are not the supergroup they once were and I appreciate that you can't stay top of your game forever but at least try?

Posted by: milly 27th February 2017, 03:25 PM

I am a hardcore GB fan, but I'm almost jealous of how well everything is going for The Girls and I wish TT's new album got the same reception.
You know it's not good when a musical gets more promotion than a new album.
I hope Wonderland delivers, for me at least, just the way The Girls and FN did.

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th February 2017, 03:45 PM

I guess the one thing they have got right is that this is released Mothers Day week (Although to really capitalise on MD sales they probably should have kept with the original date).

At present this feels like a 1-7-9-18-33... kinda release for me

Posted by: pippa 27th February 2017, 04:31 PM

As a Gary fan, i partially feel he has too many pots boiling on the cooker at the one time and unfortunately it is negatively impacting on Take That. I fully understand, he can only be in 1 place at a time but i think at this particular time Take That should be the priority. There is a feeling that this album will be released and left to promote itself as they dont appear to have the time to do otherwise.

I would have much preferred if they held back the album until they were ready to promote it as with how it is looking the album wont get the attention it may deserve. The handling of Giants indicates how this era may possibly be handled.

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th February 2017, 06:03 PM

Ouch - Just tweeted by Howard in response to a tweet about the new LIS musical

Posted by: MOTTFAN 27th February 2017, 06:11 PM

Yes the lack of promo elsewhere (outside of let it shine) is strange really. I agree that Gary is possibly spreading himself too thinly at the moment - and that it would be best to delay the album release until it can be given everyone's undivided attention.

Leaving it to promote itself when your album sales have begun to decline is a big mistake in my opinion.

As has been mentioned before they went to the whole trouble of 2 CDs for Giants, exclusive b-sides and a signed bundle... and then done pretty much nothing to back it up. Such a waste!

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th February 2017, 06:23 PM

Worse than expected, #72 in today's mids! We could be looking at 13-98 chart run!

Posted by: MOTTFAN 27th February 2017, 06:36 PM

Ouch!!

Posted by: MOTTFAN 27th February 2017, 06:42 PM

Even the promo for Mark's "The Art of Doing Nothing" was more visible than the Wonderland campaign (so far).

I remember they faffed around with the release date of Stars and there weren't any exclusive b-sides but at least Mark got to sing the lead single on the one show and Alan Carr.

Oh well, hopefully there will be a 2nd single to coincide with the album release which will totally smash it. (I'm not going to hold my breath though!)

Posted by: milly 27th February 2017, 06:42 PM

A bit of an overreaction from Howard. When there was the whole tax scandal and the media were trashing only Gary, he didn't hurry up to say "it's actually TT's scandal".
I can understand that it's unpleasant when the press doesn't report facts objectively, but what if Tim Firth had reacted the same way, when everyone was referring to The Girls as Gary's musical? It's a bit unprofessional and it gives the impression he has something against Gary.

Posted by: pippa 27th February 2017, 07:52 PM

Awful week 2 performance, and the position will get worse at the week progresses.

Posted by: milly 27th February 2017, 08:01 PM

The drop was to be expected. The song isn't doing so bad on iTunes, but the streaming and lack of promotion are killing it.

Posted by: jay727 27th February 2017, 09:19 PM

Streaming is ridiculous, it just cannabilises the chart and weights it towards the younger generation artists.

Chart run looks to be a shocker, I can't for the life of me understand why they haven't performed it once since release. Thankfully they got the physical right. I fear that could be the only thing that does go right for them this era unless the plan is to release a second single the week before the album and throw a tonne of promo at it that they would have 'used up' with Giants...

Posted by: pippa 27th February 2017, 09:59 PM

I would welcome the release of the cd format for future singles. That said,i wonder how many cd singles were issued and are many left unsold.

Posted by: jay727 27th February 2017, 10:23 PM

It looks like they all sold out and had to run a new batch...but can't see the demand being there again for signed CDs of the second single

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th February 2017, 11:52 PM

^^Agree - I think outside of a lead single there is only a small market for CD singles in the TT fa base.

I know it offered nothing new but we had a CDS for 'Let In The Sun' which didn't shift enough to help it make Top 100 officially.

Posted by: elisabeth1974 28th February 2017, 04:39 AM

they may indeed throw all the pomo into the second single. I cannot imagine that TT and their management would assume that a single only sells by name these days if you are not Adele or Ed. The second single might be the real deal

Posted by: pippa 28th February 2017, 02:35 PM

I would assume at this stage of their career, they know a hit single needs to be promoted and won’t just become a hit. Promotion, now, is more important than ever. As time progresses they appear to promote less and less. Maybe they release music for their own satisfaction now and the fans and aren’t hugely interested in success as they have achieved so much. They either think this, or they have no clue what they are doing.

Posted by: ___∆___ 28th February 2017, 10:00 PM

Lyric video - https://youtu.be/7t-qGOAgPD4

Posted by: pippa 1st March 2017, 08:21 PM

It is most likely Giants will not appear in the top 75 this week. This in itself is so disappointing, but it will be more disappointing if it departs the top 100.

Posted by: jay727 1st March 2017, 10:52 PM

It's #15 in the U.K. AirPlay charts

Posted by: iamstrong 3rd March 2017, 06:26 PM

"Giants" is #92 on the charts this week (#39 based on sales only). Streaming is killing them big time.

Posted by: pippa 3rd March 2017, 08:28 PM

What an awful drop, at least in a sales chart it would have got a 2nd week in the top 40.

Wonderful to see the Ultimate Collection back in the chart at number 64.

Posted by: MOTTFAN 3rd March 2017, 10:22 PM

Thanks for sharing the chart position.

May you rest in peace Giants. Your life may have been short and you were known by only a few, but those that DID know you loved you dearly. Sob!

Posted by: ___∆___ 3rd March 2017, 11:44 PM

So it'll be 13-92-Out for the lead single And still no sign of promo!!

Posted by: elisabeth1974 4th March 2017, 08:10 AM

but they will tour Australia and NZ at the end of the year, which is strange as they did not chart there for a decade

Posted by: milly 4th March 2017, 09:22 AM

I don't think you have to chart in a country to be touring it. If that were the case, no international artist would ever come to my country
Besides, the 2 of them are related - if you don't promote in a certain place, there's little chance you're gonna have success there.

Posted by: jay727 4th March 2017, 12:02 PM

Progress charted there Elisabeth, I for one am happy that they are bothering. For a time, I thought they'd only focus on UK, Ireland and Germany.

Streaming is such a killer in the charts right now. Wish they'd sort it out. It's like tail wagging the dog for want of a better expressions!

Posted by: nirvanamusic 4th March 2017, 04:57 PM

I also think it's great they're travelling the world now and playing to the fans like Jay said who aren't just in Europe. They aren't expecting to sell out huge arenas however they do have 25 years of music behind them which means over time they have picked up fans around the world. They have also had chart success in every continent in the world regardless of how brief country to country etc. 80's acts tour the world on one hit but at least TT have years of music.
It's just not as concentrated as the first time around when the promo was all synced internationally for chart success.
It also shows that they care for their fans who have waited so long and now they are going out to them. Now they have done Asia and are about to do Australia/New Zealand, I think it would be great to go to South America, South Africa and also Canada for their fans and then they would have allowed all their fans from the years the opportunity to see them in each part of the World.

Huey Lewis did three shows in New Zealand this time last year (their first ever in New Zealand) and their greatest hits stormed into #8 on the New Zealand album charts the following week. If TT can get word of mouth going especially in such a small country and a fantastic performance who knows if they can make an impact. Lots of artists tour Australia and seem to miss New Zealand out as maybe it's not a huge music market like Australia.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 4th March 2017, 06:16 PM

Gutted with the drops for Giants and no surprise its out of the top 100 here in Ireland aswell.

Posted by: ___∆___ 5th March 2017, 07:51 PM

Just climbed from #99 to #86 on iTunes - here's hoping for a 59p reduction and at least 1 TV promo slot to give it a boost!

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 6th March 2017, 01:19 AM

A price reduction should def help and prob the only thing that might help as it wont get promoted by them.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 27th March 2017, 09:03 PM

Just seen that Giants is number 67, it would be great if it stays top 75 but top 100 for this week should be safe.

Posted by: ___∆___ 29th March 2017, 02:35 PM

Giants really has not connected with the public or radio/media has it? Taking away streaming it's sales only chart run has been dismal - good that it will probably make a re-entry to the Top 100 this week but poor performance overall so far.

Posted by: MOTTFAN 29th March 2017, 06:48 PM

Gosh, I really can't believe that this the reality facing the band nowadays. I remember being extremely disappointed that Up All Night didn't continue Marks run of number ones on lead-vocal (even with it being the second single from The Circus). I really do have to lower my expectations lol.

Posted by: pippa 29th March 2017, 07:29 PM

I too have to lower my expectations as i think going forward i will have to settle for lead singles making it into the top 40 and any follow up singles reaching the top 100. Up All Night is a great example, i too was so disappointed with its chart peak although it sold ok. I would be delighted with a single from them doing that well now.

Posted by: ___∆___ 30th March 2017, 02:47 AM

^^ Iv lowered my expectations to the point of not expecting any post album releases to make the Top 100 after the lll era (These Days #1, Let In The Sun #161, Higher Than Higher - Missed Top 200, Hey Boy #56)

Posted by: pippa 31st March 2017, 06:39 PM

Although low, Giants makes a chart return at number 88 this week.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 2nd April 2017, 09:22 PM

Number 85 on itunes at the moment.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 3rd April 2017, 12:40 AM

Giants is number 58 and 94 on itunes now.

I wonder whats helping the climbs, i hope it continues.

Posted by: award♀nary 3rd April 2017, 03:07 AM

I'm a fan of Giants and was disappointed that it was overlooked for a place on the tracklist for Now 96.

Posted by: jay727 3rd April 2017, 11:31 AM

Extremely surprising. Perhaps it came out too late?

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 11th March 2018, 08:44 PM

Giants was used on Dancing On Ice on the opening tonight of the show.

Hopefully it will attract a bit of interest in the song.

Posted by: nirvanamusic 11th March 2018, 10:03 PM

I'd love for Giants to stream it's way to Silver status purely so every album has a hit single attached to it. Things like this are great for exposure so hopefully it'll get certified.

Posted by: pippa 12th March 2018, 04:25 PM

How far away is it from silver, i would have believed it is a long way off?

Posted by: nirvanamusic 12th March 2018, 09:14 PM

It is unfortunately a long way off not even halfway there (less than 100,000 copies) however it was wishful thinking!!

It would have been good to have another certified lead off single from the album however they did well to even chart that highly 27 years later in the singles chart when compared to others in the same position.

Posted by: pippa 12th March 2018, 10:39 PM

For such an established act they are doing well to achieve top 20 hits. That said, i am slightly worried more about the huge decline in the album sales for them. I had thought a platinum selling studio album was a given but sadly the streak has been broken with Wonderland.

I do believe The Greatest Hits should perform well for them and potentially reach double platinum.

Posted by: jay727 12th March 2018, 10:42 PM

It was a good performance too so hopefully it’s picked up a thousand or so extra sales - every little helps!

Posted by: pippa 13th March 2018, 03:30 PM

Yes, all sales help and it should achieve trickle sales if used on further shows or when they tour or perform on any shows.