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vidcapper
post 8th October 2017, 05:42 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 7 2017, 04:24 PM) *
My understanding is that there was general support for the abolition of capital punishment at the time because of some high profile cases. Those high profile cases also led to juries being less likely to convict in capital cases.

The Full Fact page doesn't really give the full facts. In order to test the hypothesis that abolition led to an increase in the murder rate, you need to look at what was happening before 1964. Again, my understanding is that the murder rate was going up and that the trend just continued after abolition.


But the unanswerable question is - would that trend have continued if capital punishment had still been in force? The infamous Moors Murders happened soon after abolition, for example.

QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Oct 7 2017, 07:52 PM) *
Did the murder rate include or exclude the murders from the "troubles"?

Most people are fed up with voting on anything more than even once every 2 years. To suggest that anything more than a minority of activists would vote online on an ongoing wide variety of issues - and with all the risk of hacking that goes with it - is fantastical and unrealistic I'm afraid.


I assume the stats would have included those from NI.

You're right about most people not wanting to have to vote often, in elections or referenda, especially on the same issue. teresa.gif

OTOH, at least activists are at least more likely to be aware of the issues involved - but by far the hardest obstacle to overcome would be the resistance of politicians!
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vidcapper
post 17th December 2017, 07:38 AM
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How about a variation of DD...

Some way our votes on given issues could be polled at a constituency level online, with the MP having the power of veto - but the number if times he overrode his electorate being carefully logged, so that he can be challenged on it at election time?

It might apply to the local council level too.
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post 17th December 2017, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 17 2017, 07:38 AM) *
How about a variation of DD...

Some way our votes on given issues could be polled at a constituency level online, with the MP having the power of veto - but the number if times he overrode his electorate being carefully logged, so that he can be challenged on it at election time?

It might apply to the local council level too.

Most people cant be arsed to fill in a customer survey form or put an x in box on how they are governed locally. Its lovely that you think you have the power to change human nature enough for them to take a detailed interest in a wide number of issues and then put mps at a constant risk of being fired with constant bi elections and a revolving cabinet sounds like a guaranteed way to get nothing done ever.
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