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 Aug 28 2019, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 28 2019, 03:59 PM)  The EU is only too aware that leaving without a deal will damage the UK far more than it will damage the rest of the EU. This is rather like a juggernaut and a Robin Reliant charging towards each other, daring the other driver to blink first. No, the UK is not playing the EU's games, the British people have decided democratically to leave the EU and we want to go our own way. The EU can spin it however they want, I don't give a damn what they think. For the first time in my life, I will be able to say that my country will no longer be inside the EU project and that makes me very, very excited about the UK's future. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:13 PM
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51 v 48%. You will find any leave mandate is for a Norway-style model of remaining within the single market, as leave promised. At best. Two nations and the youth rejected brexshit. This is not democratic.
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Aug 28 2019, 03:14 PM
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I love how Brexiteers love to rave on about "the peoples will" but at the same time cheer on BoJo for suspending the parliament
Wasn't the parliament chosen by "the people"? I don't remember a majority of the UK voting for BoJo? |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Aug 28 2019, 04:13 PM) 51 v 48%. You will find any leave mandate is for a Norway-style model of remaining within the single market, as leave promised. At best. Two nations and the youth rejected brexshit. This is not democratic. Except that your definition of 'democratic' is 'anything *I* agree with' with anything else being fascism...  |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(*Tim @ Aug 28 2019, 04:00 PM) LMAO what is this logic :') The EU is not an empire, babe. It is a collaboration of nations that all benefit from the powerbloc that is formed, even when it is not as evident as one might think. I wish you all good luck on the that thing called World Market. South Korea did, they went from being one of the poorest countries in the world after the Korean War to one of the richest. South Korea is one of the most pro free market countries in the world. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Aug 28 2019, 04:16 PM) Except that your definition of 'democratic' is 'anything *I* agree with' with anything else being fascism... No. Just this whole brexshit debacle has been far from democratic and the uk system, and us for that matter, is designed to protect and return governments for the rich landed gentry? |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 28 2019, 03:46 PM) Rubbish. When parliament is prorogued in preparation for the opening of the next session, that usually lasts for just a few days. It should be obvious to anybody with any active brain cells that this is being done to usurp the will of parliament - something that would be described as a coup if it happened somewhere else. Exactly. We're so complacement — there would be riots elsewhere. QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Aug 28 2019, 04:04 PM) No, the UK is not playing the EU's games, the British people have decided democratically to leave the EU and we want to go our own way. The EU can spin it however they want, I don't give a damn what they think. For the first time in my life, I will be able to say that my country will no longer be inside the EU project and that makes me very, very excited about the UK's future. You can't pick and choose democracy. This is autocratic. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:22 PM
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Democracy did not begin and end with one advisory referendum on one day. We have a right wing coup going on.
Not that our system with a right eing media constantly brainwashing people is democratic anyway. Liverpool had lower levels of Euroskeptisim than any other place. Why?! The Sun is banned there. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Aug 28 2019, 03:16 PM) South Korea did, they went from being one of the poorest countries in the world after the Korean War to one of the richest. South Korea is one of the most pro free market countries in the world. Can you really compare the UK to the South Korea though? Both have very different economies. Like what exactly does the UK have to offer one a worldwide scale? Even now your import is 25% higher than your export, whereas South Korea has the opposite |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(*Tim @ Aug 28 2019, 04:14 PM) I love how Brexiteers love to rave on about "the peoples will" but at the same time cheer on BoJo for suspending the parliament Wasn't the parliament chosen by "the people"? I don't remember a majority of the UK voting for BoJo? It's insane. They have been screaming about parliamentary sovereignty but this is completely fine. Just imagine if Remain won with 52% and then went all-in — joining the Euro and so on. Would it be fine to suspend parliament then? Of course not. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Aug 28 2019, 03:16 PM) Except that your definition of 'democratic' is 'anything *I* agree with' with anything else being fascism... The definitions of Brexiter democracy seems to begin and end with one referendum that apparently supersedes the core principle of democracy on which our society is based, that of Parliament. This is a coup and a horrific breach of parliamentary sovereignty and it is unbelievable that people are calling it anything but. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:35 PM
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As has been pointed out on DS, people seem to be forgetting that Parliament has been prorogued before and we weren't leaving the EU then. It's nothing to do with Brexit but that a new session of Parliament will begin with a Queen's speech.
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Aug 28 2019, 03:37 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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QUOTE(Trump2020 @ Aug 28 2019, 03:35 PM) As has been pointed out on DS, people seem to be forgetting that Parliament has been prorogued before and we weren't leaving the EU then. It's nothing to do with Brexit but that a new session of Parliament will begin with a Queen's speech. QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 28 2019, 02:46 PM) Rubbish. When parliament is prorogued in preparation for the opening of the next session, that usually lasts for just a few days. It should be obvious to anybody with any active brain cells that this is being done to usurp the will of parliament - something that would be described as a coup if it happened somewhere else. Point this out back to them, there's a good chap. |
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Aug 28 2019, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(Trump2020 @ Aug 28 2019, 04:35 PM) As has been pointed out on DS, people seem to be forgetting that Parliament has been prorogued before and we weren't leaving the EU then. It's nothing to do with Brexit but that a new session of Parliament will begin with a Queen's speech. And as I pointed out earlier, parliament is normally suspended for a few days ahead of the Queen's Speech. It has never been suspended simply so that the government can ignore the will of parliament. |
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Aug 28 2019, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 28 2019, 04:57 PM) And as I pointed out earlier, parliament is normally suspended for a few days ahead of the Queen's Speech. It has never been suspended simply so that the government can ignore the will of parliament. I have seen many Tory MP's and ministers interviewed on College Green across from Parliament by Sky News this afternoon. All said it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit but to precede a new session of Parliament. Would they all lie? |
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Aug 28 2019, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(Trump2020 @ Aug 28 2019, 05:17 PM) I have seen many Tory MP's and ministers interviewed on College Green across from Parliament by Sky News this afternoon. All said it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit but to precede a new session of Parliament. Would they all lie? YES! |
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Aug 28 2019, 04:25 PM
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Because when have Tory MPs ever lied eh?
This is horrifying. Dictator like tactics here. I always knew Boris was a lot more smart than he put himself across as so I suppose something like this isn't that surprising. My only hope is this will have long term repercussions on both him and his party to make his reign relatively short. |
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Aug 28 2019, 04:26 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Chris. There's this concept in politics called 'spin'. Look it up and do yourself a favour.
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Aug 28 2019, 04:35 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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They all get told what to say and repeat it. They are basically a hive repeating what the top brass, unelected Eton pm Bojo and unelected beaurocrat Cummings, told them to say. That's it.
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Aug 28 2019, 04:37 PM
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Ruth Davidson is resigning as leader of the Scottish Tories.
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