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Posted by: Lew Nov 28 2011, 06:49 PM

New thread, since the other had reach over 50 pages! smile.gif

On Your Radar 21st November 2011



Week / Date / Position / Sales
01 - 27/11/11 - #023 - 18,044

Posted by: jark∞ Nov 28 2011, 06:53 PM

You've used two opening brackets but only one closing and it's really pestering at my OCD. sad.gif

Posted by: Lew Nov 28 2011, 06:56 PM

Don't worry i'm the same, as soon as I noticed it i changed it! Things like that really frustrate me. tongue.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Nov 28 2011, 07:56 PM

What a disappointing start to the album. sad.gif

The sales aren't that bad, I think people are over-reacting a bit, fair enough if it was Wordshaker sales all over again, but at least it sold more than that in its first week.

During the time they're on tour, they just need to maintain the publicity (coverage of the tour, good step) and reduce the price of the album to target the casual customer Christmas market.

They wont just simply 'move on' from this era now. They can't afford to. They've put too much into this album to just let it go. A 4th single needs to be sent to radios between now and the end of the year to boost/maintain their airplay (My Heart Takes Over was a radio disaster) followed by the video next year. Then if that fails, a Greatest Hits will be in order.

The next few months will be interesting to say the least. They probably have a contractual agreement to release 5 albums under Polydor (similar/same to Girls Aloud's contract) so If things don't improve when/if they release a Greatest Hits, I can see that being a parting of ways with Polydor.

Posted by: -Jay- Nov 28 2011, 08:13 PM

I think the sales are bad for the time of year we're in. It's all relative, and right now it's only enough for a #23. It seems certain that the album will drop straight out of the Top 40 this coming week, as will the single.

I don't think the label were at all prepared for 'On Your Radar' to flop in this manner, so they're probably not ready to put a new single "out there" yet.

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 28 2011, 08:16 PM

This needs a price cut. Fast. Even if it's down to £5, it should still keep the album in the charts and keep it stocked in stores. I was in HMV again today and there were four Rochelle sleeves and that was it, there was about two "display board" things full of One Direction, Rihanna and Olly Murs.

I'm absolutely dreading seeing the midweeks tomorrow. sad.gif I hope they've somehow got a second week top 40 but even that's doubtful.

Posted by: lee wallace Nov 28 2011, 08:32 PM

I agree, the album already needs a drop in price.
The singles need a price reduction to keep interest in them. However Faster has officially been confirmed as Single 4 so should be sent out to radio's in the next 2 weeks, I would love a tour montage video.

If Pixie Lott couldn't manage two weeks top 40 then I fear for On Your Radar.

Posted by: matty9694 Nov 28 2011, 08:50 PM

I want faster to have a proper video. I always find tour montage videos to be cop outs! I want the colours back as well!!!

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 28 2011, 09:41 PM

I would prefer a tour video.

At least then it's quicker, cheaper and shows what The Saturdays are about and what type of show they put on. It'd be alot more effective in connecting with the public than another video of them posing.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Nov 28 2011, 10:32 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Nov 28 2011, 08:32 PM) *
However Faster has officially been confirmed as Single 4 so should be sent out to radio's in the next 2 weeks


Has it? Yay dance.gif


QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Nov 28 2011, 09:41 PM) *
I would prefer a tour video.

At least then it's quicker, cheaper and shows what The Saturdays are about and what type of show they put on. It'd be alot more effective in connecting with the public than another video of them posing.


I quite like that idea, that they could connect more with the public by actually using a concert excerpt for one of their videos. Like you said, to show everyone what sort of show they put on.

Only negative thing is, that if the show was shit it ain't gonna help at all.

Posted by: tommie Nov 29 2011, 01:40 AM

I hope the Angry Gremlin will go solo after this. The only one worth salvaging.

(Grandma Moses will, of course, die of old age before this campaign is over)

Posted by: The47thbelmon Nov 29 2011, 12:06 PM

They are perfectly capable of doing a really fun, spectacular tour video. Something in the line of Rihanna's Cheers would be quite great.

But it could also go all wrong and be boring, so I don't know.

Posted by: mr. everything Nov 29 2011, 12:11 PM

midweek position? i hope it's in top 40

Posted by: Jσηνκι& Nov 29 2011, 12:18 PM

It isn't.

Posted by: WithUrCher Nov 29 2011, 12:29 PM

Shame to see it out the top 40 after just 1 week sad.gif

Posted by: -Jay- Nov 29 2011, 12:55 PM

Predictable really! I suppose we won't find out any specific midweek position for this.

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 29 2011, 01:16 PM

If this has fallen to #63 or something by Sunday then I really don't think a fourth single can save it.

You can only really compare this to Sweet 7 which also had three singles released (Get Sexy and About A Girl sold the same as Notorious and All Fired Up, and Wear My Kiss sold more than MHTO) and had a dire chart run (#14 - #43 - #87 - OUT or something).

Posted by: Silver Rocket Nov 29 2011, 01:21 PM

I knew it wouldn't remain top 40. I think it's gonna be nigh on impossible to save this now, 'Faster' is the best they have but regardless they risk radio not playlisting them after what's happened which can only add another nail in the coffin.

I would say cut their losses and move on to the next, but where do they even go from here? They've evidently tried their hardest and how are they gonna do better?

Posted by: mr. everything Nov 29 2011, 01:36 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Nov 29 2011, 02:16 PM) *
If this has fallen to #63 or something by Sunday then I really don't think a fourth single can save it.

You can only really compare this to Sweet 7 which also had three singles released (Get Sexy and About A Girl sold the same as Notorious and All Fired Up, and Wear My Kiss sold more than MHTO) and had a dire chart run (#14 - #43 - #87 - OUT or something).


Wear my kiss chart run - 7-14-23-24
more weeks in top 30 than afu

Posted by: Silver Rocket Nov 29 2011, 02:15 PM

QUOTE(mr. everything @ Nov 29 2011, 01:36 PM) *
Wear my kiss chart run - 7-14-23-24
more weeks in top 30 than afu


Wear My Kiss: 7-14-23-24-39-55-79
All Fired Up: 3-5-15-21-22-31-46-70-74-x-86

Try getting your facts right.

Posted by: Slick Nov 29 2011, 02:41 PM

This album has done even worse than I thought it would. I thought they'd be able scrape through again with a 200k selling album, but it's pretty clear now that they won't. And after they've sunk to such a generic, predictable, sales-chasing sound too.

Posted by: jark∞ Nov 29 2011, 02:52 PM

They have to think very carefully about what to do now. Like Aly says, release a fourth single and risk it bombing - which is likely given that radio ignored MHTO - in which case they would no longer even be considered a singles act and would be as good as over... or cut their losses, let Una take time out for the pregnancy, come back with a new album (a mini album maybe) over Summer and see how that does. I'd go for the latter option. If they're desperate to release Faster they can always tag it onto the mini album a la One Shot.

I disagree that the album is 'predictable, generic and sound-chasing' though. Big time.


Posted by: Slick Nov 29 2011, 03:01 PM

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Nov 29 2011, 02:52 PM) *
They have to think very carefully about what to do now. Like Aly says, release a fourth single and risk it bombing - which is likely given that radio ignored MHTO - in which case they would no longer even be considered a singles act and would be as good as over... or cut their losses, let Una take time out for the pregnancy, come back with a new album (a mini album maybe) over Summer and see how that does. I'd go for the latter option. If they're desperate to release Faster they can always tag it onto the mini album a la One Shot.

I disagree that the album is 'predictable, generic and sound-chasing' though. Big time.


Well I'm going from the singles. Notorious and All Fired Up (as much as I like them) sound like any old dancey song with an anonymous singer tagged on, and rather poorly produced on top of that. It's all very Kelly Rowland-esque and she's doing even worse than they are. I need to listen to this album though because I'm seeing them in a few weeks.

Posted by: Encore Nov 29 2011, 03:09 PM

Jesus, out of the top 40 already? sad.gif

I can't see the girls or label bothering to save this album, go ahead with a new album or Greatest Hits now. I think early next year/mid 2012 they'll just call it a day and split. I can't see another major label snapping them up either after this. I want them to succeed so much and become bigger than they are, but it seems they never will truly 'make it'. Horrible thought to think there could be no more music from them, or be able to keep up with what they're up to and see them regularly. That's one thing I love about them along with the music - how personable and down to Earth they are. It's really pathetic how much this has upset me haha. sad.gif

I don't know what they do, I can't see anything saving them. They must be so gutted about how it's playing out. At the moment they're all excited and hyped about the arena tour and that's all the girls are thinking about but after that's finished and after Christmas, I think it'll really hit them how poorly this really has done. sad.gif I can't see a 4th single salvaging anything now. They just don't connect with the wider public now... what went wrong since the Chasing Lights era?

And I know the girls are the only main/current act on Fascination currently releasing material in the UK but I think there's only so many lives Polydor/Fascination can keep handing them - they'll be starting to sit up and realise something is seriously wrong now. There's not much further they can go now. sad.gif Maybe the public just don't seem to see them having that 'spark' or presence about them for the public to sit up and take note of them.

Maybe because the girls seemingly lost the whole 'colour' theme that had an impact? It kinda made them identifiable during Chasing Lights and to a lesser extent, Headlines too - and I think that's when they performed best in terms of sales and overall chart performance. I know they want to grow and progress in style or whatever, but perhaps they should have kept the colours - and made the All Fired Up cover the album cover instead, as they still looked 'mature' but it still had the colour theme there.

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 29 2011, 03:19 PM

They can't do ANOTHER mini album/EP. They'll be turned into a laughing stock if they go down that route again, and will only delay the inevitable.

It's up to the label I guess. Do they try AGAIN and push for one final album? Or do they give up?

Posted by: WithUrCher Nov 29 2011, 03:23 PM

Feel sorry for them and there hardcore fans, I really love the album, Its there best album (in my opinion) So i dont understand why its 'Flopping' so bad. sad.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Nov 29 2011, 04:12 PM

I blame management and promotion. Poor girls had no chance really.
I think release Faster if supported by radio (It's already had a few plays on Radio1) try and keep getting as much singles as they can.

Posted by: WithUrCher Nov 29 2011, 04:57 PM

They need to get a video out for 'Faster' ASAP if the album is already out the top 40, It could be out the top 100 very soon! sad.gif

Posted by: The47thbelmon Nov 29 2011, 05:02 PM

Wordshaker had one more single after it bombed so I believe this will have one too.
I also think they had their 'mini album' chance with Headlines! now there is not such a need to cut with the imagery of the current era, they just have to show people they can find poppy stuff too, the dilemma here is should they go with a classic Saturdays hit (White Lies) or with the proper evolution of their most poppy stuff (Faster)?


Random thought: would a Christmas edition help them much?

Posted by: Lew Nov 29 2011, 06:51 PM

The thing with Wordshaker is that they made so much mistakes so it was kind of accepted that it did flop. With this, they did everything they didn't with Wordshaker, three singles before album (1 being a ballad) and it was actually fantastic material this time round (videos were also great). All of this makes it even sadder that's it underperfoming right now because this album is the best they have ever recorded IMO. I sometimes think with The Saturdays (as much as I love them) that they think their much bigger than they actually are, and that they can get off with hardly promoting which really isn't the case, they really need to work their arses off if they don't want this to flop big time, although I think they won't start any proper work on fixing this mess until January, once the tour is over. sad.gif

Another thing, they really need to start bloody trying to promote an album! Can't remember the last time in an interview that they actually mentioned an album, almost like they expect people just to find out about it.


Posted by: IfUSeeBritney Nov 29 2011, 09:40 PM

So disappointed, what actually made Chasing Lights such a success? I guess it's because they were fresh and interesting back then. I honestly think people are unaware that this album has been released.

In other news, I am yet to hear the album as my pre-ordered copy hasn't arrived. Major pisstake.

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 29 2011, 09:57 PM

QUOTE(IfUSeeBritney @ Nov 29 2011, 09:40 PM) *
So disappointed, what actually made Chasing Lights such a success? I guess it's because they were fresh and interesting back then. I honestly think people are unaware that this album has been released.


The Sats were actually very interesting back in late 2008/early 2009. 'Up' was a big success and it looked like the UK had found the next big girl group. Their careers went downhill the minute they agreed to do that Comic Relief single.

Posted by: Martyn Nov 29 2011, 11:19 PM

Having just looked, had On Your Radar been released after AFU and sold the exsact same amount it would have charted at #7 not #23 sad.gif

Posted by: Steve D Nov 30 2011, 10:41 AM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Nov 29 2011, 09:57 PM) *
The Sats were actually very interesting back in late 2008/early 2009. 'Up' was a big success and it looked like the UK had found the next big girl group. Their careers went downhill the minute they agreed to do that Comic Relief single.


Lol hardly, that song made their profile the biggest it has been.

Posted by: Lew Nov 30 2011, 11:07 AM

It went right downhill after the release of FIO/Wordshaker. I could say 'Work' but selling 100k+ is good for a fifth single.

Posted by: mr. everything Nov 30 2011, 12:40 PM

i understand why this album floped so hard, it's not good, it's full of fillers, they don't have hit, they don't promote, i can't see them releasing new single/album

this is too big flop


i want una to go solo

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 30 2011, 12:49 PM

QUOTE(Steve D @ Nov 30 2011, 10:41 AM) *
Lol hardly, that song made their profile the biggest it has been.


Profile, yes, but it was also when they started to mime every bloody performance and gave them the reputation of being the first Comic Relief single to miss #1. Their label thought they were far more popular than they were. It was after this release that everything just went pear shaped with Work missing the top 20 and then the Wordshaker era.

Posted by: Steve D Nov 30 2011, 03:53 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Nov 30 2011, 12:49 PM) *
Profile, yes, but it was also when they started to mime every bloody performance and gave them the reputation of being the first Comic Relief single to miss #1. Their label thought they were far more popular than they were. It was after this release that everything just went pear shaped with Work missing the top 20 and then the Wordshaker era.


They mimed performances before that, it wasn't the first comic relief song not to be number 1, Work missed the top 20 because of the late release, because of its late release it made it seem that wordshaker was rushed and it was released after a shoddy choice of lead single.

Posted by: Silver Rocket Nov 30 2011, 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Steve D @ Nov 30 2011, 03:53 PM) *
They mimed performances before that, it wasn't the first comic relief song not to be number 1, Work missed the top 20 because of the late release, because of its late release it made it seem that wordshaker was rushed and it was released after a shoddy choice of lead single.


I think you'll find 'Work' actually missed the top 20 the week that Michael Jackson death thing was in full swing, by rights it was a #17 hit. tongue.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Nov 30 2011, 04:00 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Nov 30 2011, 12:49 PM) *
Profile, yes, but it was also when they started to mime every bloody performance and gave them the reputation of being the first Comic Relief single to miss #1. Their label thought they were far more popular than they were. It was after this release that everything just went pear shaped with Work missing the top 20 and then the Wordshaker era.


Disagree.

They where always miming performances. Did you not see them perform If This Is Love on 'GMTV'? Miming. So the whole "they where mining after Just Can't Get Enough" is balls.

'Just Can't Get Enough' may have been the first to miss #1, but funnily enough it sold more than the previous years Girls Aloud/Sugababes collaboration 'Walk This Way' and the following years The Wanted's 'Gold Forever' which also missed #1 and sold less.

For a 5th single 'Work' did reasonably well. It may have missed the Top 20, but at least it looks like it's sold more than My Heart Takes over which missed the Top 10, and is only looking at spending 2wks in the Top 40.

Everyone needs to stop looking for blame where "everything went wrong". They switched management after the Wordshaker fiasco and still that couldn't bring them to the sales of the Chasing Lights days. The public are bored with them. Face facts to put it bluntly. I'm a massive fan but it's getting beyond a joke.

Posted by: Steve D Nov 30 2011, 04:10 PM

I don't even think its that the public are bored of them as they still get all over the mags, there is just no connection with the music and their audience. I'm hoping the tour has made them enough money to make up for the lack of this albums success so we atleast get a decent greatest hrs or another album.

Posted by: shadow2009 Nov 30 2011, 05:07 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Nov 30 2011, 04:00 PM) *
Everyone needs to stop looking for blame where "everything went wrong". They switched management after the Wordshaker fiasco and still that couldn't bring them to the sales of the Chasing Lights days. The public are bored with them. Face facts to put it bluntly. I'm a massive fan but it's getting beyond a joke.


How are the public bored with them? You're making out as if the public CARE about pop acts and the UK charts. The public will buy singles they like, and if they like enough singles by the artist then they'll buy the album and probably go see them on tour. It's that simple. It's not a case of "yawn, i'm boored of The Saturdays now, i'm not buying any more of their records" because honestly i've never heard anyone ever say that in my life. The Saturdays are relying on singles to make themselves known to the public and create an identity but if you look at all the songs they've recorded can you honestly say Forever Is Over, If This Is Love, Missing You, My Heart Takes Over, Just Can't Get Enough and even Notorious and All Fired Up are the best things they've recorded? The public didn't buy Work or Forever Is Over and then didn't buy Wordshaker, yet over 300K of the went out and bought Ego. It's about song choices. They got it right with Up, Issues, Ego and Higher yet they insist on taking risks and going for "it's a little bit different from what we normally do" and everytime they try and take risks their material flops.

It's not a case of the public being bored of them, it's a case of them being extremely inconsistant with their releases and choosing rubbish single choices to promote their albums.

Posted by: Silver Rocket Nov 30 2011, 09:07 PM

I have to say, I am pretty hooked on 'Get Ready, Get Set'. It's fast becoming my favourite song on this album!

Posted by: matty9694 Nov 30 2011, 09:19 PM

Heard DWYWWM in HMV today, thought they were gonna play the whole album, but they didn't! mad.gif I would have actually stood there until Move On U finished as well haha!!! As expected, 1D and RiRi were EVERYWHERE!!! The Saturdays were relegated to the bottom shelf away from most of the other albums released recently, and there were Mollie, Una & Rochelle covers, no Group covers at all. I actually went looking to see if there were any, and missed them 1st time, so a casual buyer wouldn't really have a chance.

P.S. I love that Mollie gets a decent amount of solo's on this album! I've really warmed to her voice over the years, especially when she has solo's in ballads!!!

She has solo's in:
AFU
Notorious
Faster
GRGS
TWYWM
DWYWWM
Promise Me
WIDK
White Lies
Last Call
I Say OK
Move On U

A few of them are substantial parts as well!!! wub.gif Mollie wub.gif

Posted by: IfUSeeBritney Dec 1 2011, 01:42 AM

Well my copy FINALLY arrived and WOW, what an incredible album. I'm on 'For Myself' and it's just so good. smile.gif

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 1 2011, 03:43 PM

Anyone care to make some wild predictions as to where the album will chart in its second week?

I'm going to guess #46.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 1 2011, 03:51 PM

I'm thinking #62.

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 1 2011, 04:09 PM

#86

Posted by: aprilj Dec 1 2011, 04:45 PM

#57 (if they're lucky)!

Posted by: IfUSeeBritney Dec 1 2011, 05:53 PM

#3432

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 1 2011, 06:08 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Nov 30 2011, 05:07 PM) *
How are the public bored with them? You're making out as if the public CARE about pop acts and the UK charts. The public will buy singles they like, and if they like enough singles by the artist then they'll buy the album and probably go see them on tour. It's that simple. It's not a case of "yawn, i'm boored of The Saturdays now, i'm not buying any more of their records" because honestly i've never heard anyone ever say that in my life. The Saturdays are relying on singles to make themselves known to the public and create an identity but if you look at all the songs they've recorded can you honestly say Forever Is Over, If This Is Love, Missing You, My Heart Takes Over, Just Can't Get Enough and even Notorious and All Fired Up are the best things they've recorded? The public didn't buy Work or Forever Is Over and then didn't buy Wordshaker, yet over 300K of the went out and bought Ego. It's about song choices. They got it right with Up, Issues, Ego and Higher yet they insist on taking risks and going for "it's a little bit different from what we normally do" and everytime they try and take risks their material flops.

It's not a case of the public being bored of them, it's a case of them being extremely inconsistant with their releases and choosing rubbish single choices to promote their albums.


The public are 'bored' (I could have used some better terminology in my first post) with them because they've gone through a bad patch becoming irrelevant due to the fact they change image and sound more times than I've had hot dinners. That is what I meant sorry.

The public do care about 'pop acts' or they wouldn't invest in them. The Saturdays, JLS, The Wanted etc etc etc wouldn't have got where they are today without people caring about them, else they wouldn't have bought their records.

They have no choice but to change sound to attempt to stay relevant though. They can't be singing and releasing Ego's forever. It's about progression, and if they can't progress and gain fans and sales at the same time they're not worth hanging on for imo. That's a bad thing to say from a fan but it's true. The public and casual buyers will see it like that.

I disagree with the single choices. You're not taking into account the order in which their material is recorded. When they released Notorious they'd only recorded a handful of tracks, most of which never even made the album. When they released All Fired Up and started the campaign for My Heart Takes Over, Get Ready Get Set (for example) was still in production. It was the last track to finish I believe. So they couldn't have released that because it wasn't even finished or existed, which ever is more relevant to each single release.

Notorious was probably the best of the bunch they had at the beginning and rolled with that, then more opportunities and tracks came along. They released All Fired Up because it was current and was produced by the pop-Gods that is Xenomania.

Posted by: Electro Paradise Dec 1 2011, 07:25 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 1 2011, 06:08 PM) *
They can't be singing and releasing Ego's forever. It's about progression, and if they can't progress and gain fans and sales at the same time they're not worth hanging on for imo.


The Saurdays did this far to quickly though imo, you can like one of their singles and then two singles on they've changed direction all over again. With every new era they seem to try and re-event themselves and I feel they are just moving too quickly. I think they should move much slower and 'mature' slower in order not to loose their original fanbase. 'Ego' and Chasing Lights worked for them... there was no need for them to change it, once people were getting tierd of it and it wasn't working then, but I don't think people were. The whole 'if it's not broken don't change it' theory is exactly what they should have done IMO.

Posted by: MusicIsMyLife Dec 1 2011, 09:37 PM

I'm hoping for the album to end up just outside of the Top 40, then hopefully a climb next week into the top 40 again when the tour starts.

Probably won't happen, but I always have faith wink.gif

Posted by: Silver Rocket Dec 1 2011, 09:40 PM

What gives you the impression the tour will help it? Everyone going will already have the album, plus it's not exactly a high profile tour or anything.

Posted by: MusicIsMyLife Dec 2 2011, 12:45 AM

QUOTE(Silver Rocket @ Dec 1 2011, 09:40 PM) *
What gives you the impression the tour will help it? Everyone going will already have the album, plus it's not exactly a high profile tour or anything.


I was trying to be positive. Go piss on someone elses bonfire? dry.gif

Posted by: Silver Rocket Dec 2 2011, 01:00 AM

QUOTE(MusicIsMyLife @ Dec 2 2011, 12:45 AM) *
I was trying to be positive. Go piss on someone elses bonfire? dry.gif


No need for that whatsoever, but seeing as you asked so nicely I'll piss on whoever's bonfire I see fit THANK YOU VERY MUCH. teresa.gif

Posted by: Martyn Dec 2 2011, 01:05 AM

QUOTE(Silver Rocket @ Dec 2 2011, 01:00 AM) *
No need for that whatsoever, but seeing as you asked so nicely I'll piss on whoever's bonfire I see fit THANK YOU VERY MUCH. teresa.gif


PLEASE DO NOT PEE OVER THE FORUM!

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 2 2011, 10:56 AM

QUOTE(Silver Rocket @ Dec 1 2011, 10:40 PM) *
What gives you the impression the tour will help it?


Well, the tour will get press coverage, so that means a much needed publicity during the Christmas campaign.

Also, are we sure everyone going has already bought the album? how many people could be attending to the tour in total, summing up all venues?

Posted by: Neil Dec 2 2011, 10:57 AM

OMG just noticed the CD is £4.99 on Amazon. How embarrassing.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 2 2011, 04:15 PM

As long as the album remains in the charts I don't even care how cheap it is. People need to hear this album, it's too good.

Posted by: MusicIsMyLife Dec 2 2011, 04:28 PM

QUOTE(Silver Rocket @ Dec 2 2011, 01:00 AM) *
No need for that whatsoever, but seeing as you asked so nicely I'll piss on whoever's bonfire I see fit THANK YOU VERY MUCH. teresa.gif


I was joking. wub.gif Sorry if it came across wrong.
You can't piss on The Saturdays bonfire, because it's All Fired Up. Haha I'm too whitty. wink.gif

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 2 2011, 04:29 PM

Too whitty indeed!

Posted by: Martyn Dec 2 2011, 08:13 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 2 2011, 04:15 PM) *
As long as the album remains in the charts I don't even care how cheap it is. People need to hear this album, it's too good.


Unfortuntaly since the begining of time (AKA 2003) every other year there has been an amazing pure pop album, that floptorioused it's way into the charts.

2003: Holly Valance- State Of Mind (#60)
2005: Rachel Stevens- Come And Get It (#28)
2007: Hilary Duff- Dignity (#25)
2009: Ashley Tisdale- Guilty Pleasure (#130)
2011: The Saturdays- On Your Radar (#23)

Five very good albums, five huge flops sad.gif

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 2 2011, 08:57 PM

omg i totally agree

state of mind is my favorite album ever sad.gif come and get it is amazing too

but you cant compare OYR with these 2 masterpieces

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 2 2011, 08:58 PM

state of mind peak wwas #60 wink.gif

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 2 2011, 09:11 PM

I thought State Of Mind was pretty samey and boring although the title track is fantastic, her best song by far, and Desire is pretty good too. Come And Get It was a much better album.


Posted by: Martyn Dec 2 2011, 09:12 PM

QUOTE(mr. everything @ Dec 2 2011, 08:58 PM) *
state of mind peak wwas #60 wink.gif



Close enough hahahaha.

Posted by: Liаm Dec 2 2011, 09:15 PM

Come & Get It flopping was CRIMINAL sad.gif

On Your Radar isn't too far off being as good as C&GI either...

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 2 2011, 09:24 PM

State of mind is amazing, people just need to listen each track

title track is MASTERPIECE, one of the best songs ever

and desire is amazing <3

i'm so sad albums like these always flops, and than shit like TTT is hit sad.gif

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 2 2011, 09:27 PM

i forgot to mention that SOM is stronger album than CAGI

SOM has more "bigger" and killer tracks, CAGI is perfetc as whole album but there are no big tracks as state of mind, desire, hypnotic, curious, everything i hate, etc.

Posted by: Steve D Dec 2 2011, 10:04 PM

QUOTE(mr. everything @ Dec 2 2011, 09:24 PM) *
State of mind is amazing, people just need to listen each track

title track is MASTERPIECE, one of the best songs ever

and desire is amazing <3

i'm so sad albums like these always flops, and than shit like TTT is hit sad.gif



QUOTE(mr. everything @ Dec 2 2011, 09:27 PM) *
i forgot to mention that SOM is stronger album than CAGI

SOM has more "bigger" and killer tracks, CAGI is perfetc as whole album but there are no big tracks as state of mind, desire, hypnotic, curious, everything i hate, etc.


can you please start editing posts instead of double posting.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 2 2011, 11:17 PM

Come and Get It.

wow.

Every Little Thing
Crazy Boys <3
Dumb
Nothing Good About This Goodbye

I could go on and on. What an amazing album that was!!


Posted by: -Jay- Dec 3 2011, 01:44 AM

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The Saturdays, who have had nine Top 10 singles, have been practising singing new songs on their tour from their as yet unnamed fourth studio album.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2069116/The-Saturdays-rehearse-arena-tour-time-hitting-road.html#ixzz1fQpquTKy


sleep.gif


In other news, album falls from #43 to #78 in Ireland.

Posted by: shakilover Dec 3 2011, 09:16 AM

Please, On Your Radar us nowhere near Rachel Stevens' level. It's an okay album had some good songs but also a lot of filler!

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 3 2011, 06:17 PM

Apparently the album was around #102-#96 this morning and now has climbed to #83, so it seems the tour is giving it a little nice push on sales.

Posted by: WithUrCher Dec 3 2011, 06:29 PM

QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Dec 3 2011, 06:17 PM) *
Apparently the album was around #102-#96 this morning and now has climbed to #83, so it seems the tour is giving it a little nice push on sales.


Has it really ment to have dropped from #23 to #83 in just one week? :\

Posted by: Liаm Dec 3 2011, 06:30 PM

Probably on iTunes or Amazon tongue.gif The midweeks don't go down that far.

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 3 2011, 06:42 PM

Yes! I meant on iTunes!

Posted by: Neil Dec 4 2011, 07:01 PM

Down 30 to #53 this week!! There are no words...

Posted by: Liаm Dec 4 2011, 07:02 PM

Well tbh that's actually better than I expected laugh.gif That's how bad this era is.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 4 2011, 07:07 PM

Yeah, same. I was expecting MUCH worse. laugh.gif Will probably drop to the #80's next week then out of the charts the following week, though. sad.gif

Posted by: Martyn Dec 4 2011, 07:40 PM

At least it didn't drop as many places as Wordshaker... Sooo not trying to grasp at straws here...

Posted by: IfUSeeBritney Dec 4 2011, 07:43 PM

Did Wordshaker not drop from #9 to #40?

Posted by: Martyn Dec 4 2011, 08:08 PM

QUOTE(IfUSeeBritney @ Dec 4 2011, 07:43 PM) *
Did Wordshaker not drop from #9 to #40?


Which is 31 places, OYR dropped 30places haha

Posted by: Scherz Dec 4 2011, 08:16 PM

I mean, not that it's an amazing feat, but they beat Kelly Rowland's first week in their second week? laugh.gif

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 4 2011, 08:43 PM

wow they are such a flop...

i can't believe that they have only 1 successful album

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 4 2011, 08:53 PM

Mr Everything can you please leave this forum. You say the same things over and over slagging The Saturdays, are you really a fan?
Looks like I am the only person who thinks this campaign can be save as I expected so much worse. The Way You Watch Me will be released to radio's too soon which means more promotion. Hopefully a decrease in price will help the album and they are getting a lot of positive reviews from their tour and have been praised from their Jingle Bell performance.
Also helps that they managed to get a massive attendance for Liverpool, They have a basically sell out for Glasgow, I only see positives outtakes from them and I think they will keep getting bigger. THEY NEED TO CRACK EUROPE to gain a bigger fanbase as well.

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 4 2011, 09:45 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 4 2011, 09:53 PM) *
Mr Everything can you please leave this forum. You say the same things over and over slagging The Saturdays, are you really a fan?
Looks like I am the only person who thinks this campaign can be save as I expected so much worse. The Way You Watch Me will be released to radio's too soon which means more promotion. Hopefully a decrease in price will help the album and they are getting a lot of positive reviews from their tour and have been praised from their Jingle Bell performance.
Also helps that they managed to get a massive attendance for Liverpool, They have a basically sell out for Glasgow, I only see positives outtakes from them and I think they will keep getting bigger. THEY NEED TO CRACK EUROPE to gain a bigger fanbase as well.

i'm not going to leave this forum only because you disagree with me

and YES i am fan
http://www.last.fm/user/nebojsa92

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 4 2011, 10:04 PM

QUOTE(mr. everything @ Dec 4 2011, 09:45 PM) *
i'm not going to leave this forum only because you disagree with me

and YES i am fan
http://www.last.fm/user/nebojsa92


Sorry, this is the same person that disclaimed that they weren't going to be a fan no more because of this?

Move along, to put it nicely.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 4 2011, 10:11 PM

so they probably managed to shift around 7,000 copies this week... so were on 25,000 so far.

the same that Headlines sold in week one.

coolness.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 5 2011, 02:47 AM

It's more like 9,000; Kelly Rowland sold 8,704 at #56.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 5 2011, 11:25 AM

That's actually not terrible sales. Well it is, but it's alright for The Sats. laugh.gif


Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 5 2011, 12:25 PM

That's actually a bit of a ray of light for the campaign. 9k is closer to the 10k that Headlines! had in its second week (charting at #8) than the 6k Wordshaker had in its second week (at #40).

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 5 2011, 01:27 PM

It should be on about 27000 so far then. Could end the year on 45k+

(Still dire.)

Posted by: Slick Dec 5 2011, 01:42 PM

I have now listened to this album and everything I thought about this era has been confirmed. It basically carries on where 'Notorious' left off in that it attempts to copy the big dancey sound at the moment (rather badly) with a few ballads thrown in. That doesn't necessarily ruin the enjoyment of the album though, which does have quite a few good songs. It's just all rather disappointing to see them SO desperately scraping the barrel for success - especially since this album could now put the final nail in the coffin of their career.

I'd agree with the people that say Faster NEEDS to be a single. The chorus is a bit of a letdown but it's the best on the album except the first two singles and I WANT TO CLUB TO IT DAMMIT.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 5 2011, 05:52 PM

I know each to their own and all that, but I literally can't even see where you're coming from. I've seen other people make similar comments too and I just don't get it. I will give you that Notorious chases a sound but the rest of the album doesn't sound particularly generic too and to me it's a million times LESS faceless than their previous albums, all of which were quite bland to degree... I guess what I'm saying is they never had a 'sound' before. They just dipped in and out of various genres with little conviction. This album has a sound of its own and it's made me the kind of serious fan I never thought I could be for these girls.

Posted by: Slick Dec 5 2011, 06:14 PM

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 5 2011, 05:52 PM) *
I know each to their own and all that, but I literally can't even see where you're coming from. I've seen other people make similar comments too and I just don't get it. I will give you that Notorious chases a sound but the rest of the album doesn't sound particularly generic too and to me it's a million times LESS faceless than their previous albums, all of which were quite bland to degree... I guess what I'm saying is they never had a 'sound' before. They just dipped in and out of various genres with little conviction. This album has a sound of its own and it's made me the kind of serious fan I never thought I could be for these girls.

I can't understand how you CAN'T see it really but I guess it's just one of those "agree to disagree" things. The album is an alright album and I'm sure I'll like it a lot more by the time I see them do it on tour, but each (uptempo) song sounds like they've looked at the chart, taken a popular song or producer and tried to imitate it. The album has a sound, but to these ears it's cheap and terribly derivative of everything else.

I would enjoy them a lot more if they came out with a strong, original pop album (which imo, Chasing Lights was a good warm-up for. I've not heard their other albums). At least then they'd be flopping with some sort of dignity rather than, as I say, scraping that barrel and go out pedalling copycat choons.

I DO like the album though. I think the ballads are particularly strong and really enjoy Faster, Get Ready Get Set and The Way You Watch Me. I'm no music snob - an album not being original or amazing doesn't stop me from getting into it (see: most of the music I like.)

Posted by: Liаm Dec 5 2011, 06:50 PM

QUOTE
The Saturdays have insisted that they are pleased with the chart performance of their latest album On Your Radar.

The group said they are "happy" with the chart placing of the LP, which entered at number 23 last week before dropping out of the top 40 yesterday.

Vanessa White told Digital Spy at Capital FM's Jingle Bell Ball: "It was a really busy week and we've never really released at this time of year in the build-up to Christmas.

"We're really happy with it and we're proud of the album because we had a lot of input. We're really looking forward to performing all the songs on tour, so it's an exciting time!"

Dicussing their next single, which was rumoured to be their Travie McCoy collaboration 'The Way You Watch Me', she revealed: "We don't know what exactly the next single will be yet. We haven't decided, but it could be that song."

The Saturdays previously claimed that a number one single would mean "so much" to them.


Yep, of course Vanessa... biggrin.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 5 2011, 06:51 PM

Thing is, I actually think The Sats SUIT a bit of dance/dubstep. 'Promise Me' on paper sounds like it just wouldn't work at all but they've actually done an amazing job of it.

Only duds on the album for me are Wish I Didn't Know (which sounds like a 90's album track from some American female singer) and Move On U (which is just plain boring).

Posted by: Slick Dec 5 2011, 06:53 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 5 2011, 06:51 PM) *
Thing is, I actually think The Sats SUIT a bit of dance/dubstep. 'Promise Me' on paper sounds like it just wouldn't work at all but they've actually done an amazing job of it.

Only duds on the album for me are Wish I Didn't Know (which sounds like a 90's album track from some American female singer) and Move On U (which is just plain boring).

Oh I REALLY like Wish I Didn't Know! It was one of only two or three that I enjoyed on first listen. But then, I do like my ballads.

Posted by: Regina Dec 5 2011, 06:55 PM

QUOTE(Slick @ Dec 5 2011, 06:53 PM) *
Oh I REALLY like Wish I Didn't Know! It was one of only two or three that I enjoyed on first listen. But then, I do like my ballads.


wub.gif WIDK is one of the best on there.

Posted by: Liаm Dec 5 2011, 06:56 PM

Wish I Didn't Know is very Chasing Lights, but it is brilliant!

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 5 2011, 06:56 PM

Slick did you like Last Call?

Posted by: Scherz Dec 5 2011, 06:57 PM

Well at least she says that 'The Way You Watch Me' is not for definite. I seriously hope they change their minds. Terrible single choice.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 5 2011, 07:06 PM

Lol at that attempt at damage control.

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Dec 5 2011, 07:13 PM

I love WIDK aswell, one of my favourites. Mollie totally owns that song. wub.gif

Move On U isn't all that bad. I prefer it to I Say OK, For Myself and Promise Me.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 5 2011, 07:27 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Dec 5 2011, 06:56 PM) *
Wish I Didn't Know is very Chasing Lights, but it is brilliant!

That's exactly why it doesn't do a whole lot for me.

Posted by: IfUSeeBritney Dec 5 2011, 08:47 PM

So I was listening to the album AGAIN and I did not skip one single song. smile.gif Love it all, a lot of them have such great hooks.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 5 2011, 10:59 PM

My only criticism of the record is that it sounds a bit mashed together, and each track has very similar elements. It unfortunately makes each song seem to sound the same on each listen and overall it leaves me in a bit of a blurr, but you can't deny it's not consistent because on a more positive note the album is their best yet.

I also like the fact that they have embraced the fact that 'Wish I Didn't Know' could have belonged on their debut and does sound a bit 90's as they've gone with that sort of theme for the song on tour (The record with 'Wish I Didn't Know' playing on the vinyl in the background and the mic stands).

Promise Me and I Say OK are still not sitting right with me though; but it's funny how Promise Me is the one song that is always stuck in my head, more than any other track on the album. The hook "You promise me me me the the the world" just replays over and over again. Irritating as hell as it's my joint least favourite on the album.

The album is still brilliant and I'm still listening to it all the way through though. This best not age fast. sad.gif

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 6 2011, 12:52 PM

Do we have the exact figures of last week?

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 6 2011, 03:38 PM

Unfortunately not, doubt we'll get to know further accurate sales figures for this.

Posted by: Slick Dec 6 2011, 06:28 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 5 2011, 06:56 PM) *
Slick did you like Last Call?

It's a bit forgettable but nice enough. Why?

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 8 2011, 11:31 AM

So I've seen this on a forum, but I don't know if the user got it on the mailer or if it's just fake...apparently they 'confirm' the trip to America?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvuhmuRjuY1r4ok8to1_1280.jpg

Posted by: Martyn Dec 8 2011, 01:34 PM

QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Dec 8 2011, 11:31 AM) *
So I've seen this on a forum, but I don't know if the user got it on the mailer or if it's just fake...apparently they 'confirm' the trip to America?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvuhmuRjuY1r4ok8to1_1280.jpg


It looks fake to me... However I wouldn't want to say it deffinitly is.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 8 2011, 03:03 PM

The girls themselves have announced they've been in contact with American management though? It was also confirmed over 6months ago Ne-Yo wanted to sign The Saturdays to his American label.

I think The Saturdays should release single 4 go on attempt to break Europe and America (of course minus una) while recording new material, maybe come back and release a new single in October? I know The Saturdays have massive things planned as they are only allowed a 3 day break during the Christmas holiday which is quite poor.

Example yesterday said The Saturdays have potential they need better material and better management/label. I do agree so much for once with what he says (The management). I know Polydor will not drop them as their tour has been a success but if they moved on to another label & management I wouldn't be too sad. Arguably had they had an arena tour last year it would have sold more as They hadn't toured for 2 years previously before the headline tour but there's no way their label would have chanced that. At least they have established themselves as Arena tour performers.

Notorious released during Britain's Got Talent.
All Fired Up released during Red Or Black
My Heart Takes Over released during xFactor.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 8 2011, 03:28 PM

(sorry for taking this back off topic a bit)

I think we can safely say there's no way they're getting dropped now. Yeah, their album sales are dreadful and their singles are very hit and miss but so far their arena tour looks like it's done much better than we all thought it would have, and touring is MUCH more important than sales.

Posted by: Slick Dec 8 2011, 03:32 PM

Touring also makes no money for the record company I believe...

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 8 2011, 03:45 PM

You need a healthy balance of both really.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 8 2011, 05:41 PM

QUOTE(Slick @ Dec 8 2011, 03:32 PM) *
Touring also makes no money for the record company I believe...

I think the Saturdays' label double as their management or something confusing like that so they do make some money from the tour, although it's not like this tour is a sell-out so it won't be that much.

I can't believe people think they should attempt to 'break America' or even Europe. They haven't even broken the UK!!!

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 8 2011, 07:34 PM

Touring might not make the record label any/much money but it's still a sign that there IS an audience there who will pay money to support The Sats. I've never heard of an act being dropped after a succesful arena tour. Touring is a building process, they should tour as much as they can to build up a solid fanbase.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 8 2011, 07:49 PM

I think there's no doubt in my mind that this tour will bring in more revenue compared to their LP sales.

Tickets from £20 - £30+ (?), and there was the VIP tickets, £100. Compare that to £8.99 at around 27,000 sales. I'm right in thinking that around 27,000 people are attending the tour based on the information regarding 'sell outs' from picture proof, and information regarding venue capacity?

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 8 2011, 05:41 PM) *

I can't believe people think they should attempt to 'break America' or even Europe. They haven't even broken the UK!!!


I agree, and they know it. Frankie said a few months ago that although they want to brake Europe first, she acknowledged that they needed to break the UK first.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 8 2011, 07:55 PM

Thing is, you don't need to actually travel outside the UK to chart in other countries. I think the likes of Alexandra Burke, Ed Sheeran, Plan B, Example, The Wanted and One Direction all charted in other countries without promotion. I know it's not as simple as this, but can't they just send their songs to radio and music channels?

Posted by: Liаm Dec 8 2011, 08:02 PM

I hate to nitpick but Ed Sheeran performed on Aussie XF tongue.gif He get top 10 before that though iirc, then again I just can't see The Sats doing it even WITH promo.

Posted by: Martyn Dec 8 2011, 08:06 PM

The problem is The Saturdays were on a playschool record label with Fasanation, a label who just happened to have Girls Aloud fall into their laps. Outside of them they have had no artists with any major levels of sucsess, despite having artists who have massive sales in other countries on their label (being the home of Hollywood Records artists in the UK). As managment they are even worse, they are people who would rather be friends with famous singers and their famous friends than actualy be their bosses, as show in 24/7 their managment want to be their friends and hang out with them. It's a joke, yes you can be friends with your managment, but this just seems unatural.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 8 2011, 09:41 PM

QUOTE(Martyn @ Dec 8 2011, 08:06 PM) *
The problem is The Saturdays were on a playschool record label with Fasanation, a label who just happened to have Girls Aloud fall into their laps. Outside of them they have had no artists with any major levels of sucsess, despite having artists who have massive sales in other countries on their label (being the home of Hollywood Records artists in the UK). As managment they are even worse, they are people who would rather be friends with famous singers and their famous friends than actualy be their bosses, as show in 24/7 their managment want to be their friends and hang out with them. It's a joke, yes you can be friends with your managment, but this just seems unatural.


I agree, it's always seemed to me that they only started the management group so they could have some bezzie showbiz friends. I mean they are the only high profile artist on their roster. They manage The Alias too which is why they collaborated for the LP and b-sides.

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 9 2011, 04:41 PM

QUOTE(Slick @ Dec 8 2011, 04:32 PM) *
Touring also makes no money for the record company I believe...


Anyway, the label gives them the money to make the record and then they have to give it back, so they can take the money from the tour to cut any losses the album might have made.

I have no complains about the promotion the management get for them...I'm sure is the most they can do. My problem is that they don't know how to sell them: in Chasing Lights they were fun and elegant, in Wordshaker they were all mature and boring, in Headlines! they were suddenly all childish/fun and innocent, and now in OYR they are marketed as sexy and sophisticated, there is no cohesion through their campaigns.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 9 2011, 06:07 PM

I despised their Wordshaker image. They were turned into right slappers. sad.gif







Didn't suit them at all.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 9 2011, 06:16 PM

On your Radar exclusive limited edition has been reduced to £11.99

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 9 2011, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Martyn @ Dec 8 2011, 02:34 PM) *
It looks fake to me... However I wouldn't want to say it deffinitly is.


Turned out it's a scan from the tourbook...so it's official! Seems weird that they keep talking about the US deal if it was only a fake story to make damage control about the splitting rumour...they must have something planned.

Although, like the supossed trip to Germany of last summer, nothing will happen if things don't work in the UK first (luckily, the tour seems to be doing fine, and an arena tour is nothing to laugh about).

Posted by: Martyn Dec 9 2011, 09:34 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 9 2011, 06:16 PM) *
On your Radar exclusive limited edition has been reduced to £11.99


That's annoying, I wouldn't have paid £21 if I knew they were gonna knock the price right down!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 9 2011, 09:48 PM

QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Dec 9 2011, 08:30 PM) *
Turned out it's a scan from the tourbook...so it's official! Seems weird that they keep talking about the US deal if it was only a fake story to make damage control about the splitting rumour...they must have something planned.

Although, like the supossed trip to Germany of last summer, nothing will happen if things don't work in the UK first (luckily, the tour seems to be doing fine, and an arena tour is nothing to laugh about).


That's a bit out of context if I'm being honest.

There was truth to the US 'deal' just not as big or extravagant as the press made it out to be. They confirmed that it was all still in "planning stages" and that it was an idea they've had for a while, and it's them putting the ideas forward as they don't just want it to be another reality series like 24/7 and What Goes on Tour.

And the Germany trip was going to plan. They flew out there a few times to talk to their German label (Una even took pictures as proof) but they later decided that they wanted to release the same track at the same time, as in new material at the same time; Not old material that's been round for a while. They may as well maximize potential by releasing a track no-one has yet rather than one that would have been out for nearly a year (Higher).

Posted by: Martyn Dec 9 2011, 09:56 PM

Do you know what confuses me. When people copy and past there posts between here and popjustice. Confuses the hell out of me!

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 10 2011, 03:17 AM

Ugh at the fan edition being reduced. sad.gif Oh well.

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 10 2011, 10:24 AM

QUOTE(Martyn @ Dec 9 2011, 10:56 PM) *
Do you know what confuses me. When people copy and past there posts between here and popjustice. Confuses the hell out of me!


Haha, yeah, but I was going to say the very same thing anyway so...

Posted by: Martyn Dec 11 2011, 07:14 PM

Album down to #75 today!

Posted by: Liаm Dec 11 2011, 07:16 PM

That's good! Well it's not obviously, but you know what I mean - at least it's holding onto top 75 (even if only JUST).

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 11 2011, 08:27 PM

There's no promotion for On Your Radar, Single 4 needs to be sent to the radio stations now and they need to promote on some shows.
They could have done something simple like performing on T4 Stars, Text Santa (ITV) or something, I sometimes feel the management let them down majorly.
I just hate seeing such a good album having a poor chart run!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 11 2011, 08:49 PM

Yes because they can do TV appearances whilst they're on tour. Be realistic.

Posted by: Scherz Dec 11 2011, 08:57 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 11 2011, 08:49 PM) *
Yes because they can do TV appearances whilst they're on tour. Be realistic.


Of course they can! The only realistic thing they need to do is soundcheck before the show.
They can do that around 5pm, so they have the whole rest of the day to promote, but instead they are 'resting'.
I mean, I know it takes a lot out of them to perform 90 minutes a night..

Look at Rihanna, who has done a lot (a LOT) more shows than them, and she at least did X Factor.

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 11 2011, 08:59 PM

^ It's the difference in work ethic and stars and a MEGA star. Thats why she is where she is. Simple. The Saturdays aren't serious lol

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 11 2011, 08:59 PM

At least they should send the new single to radios right now. Now it's like they are invisible because they can only rely on the promotion the tour gives them.

They obviously thought that My Heart Takes Over would stay on the charts for more than 3 weeks and it would sell the album during December...but sadly it isn't, so they have to do something!

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 11 2011, 09:13 PM

Thank you, My Heart Takes Over is out of the top 50 on all Airplay.
They should be trying all they can to keep the album steady and not to drop out of the top 100 on the album charts!

Posted by: Scherz Dec 11 2011, 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Jaynote @ Dec 11 2011, 08:59 PM) *
^ It's the difference in work ethic and stars and a MEGA star. Thats why she is where she is. Simple. The Saturdays aren't serious lol


I remember watching that 'on the road' documentary the S Club 7 did when they were massive.
The difference is really laughable. They would do GMTV, then This Morning, then Richard & Judy and then a live show at night.

We have to be realistic here, it's not exactly hard to perform a 3 minute track in a studio is it?
They sit in a hair and make-up chair and sing for 3 minutes.. I don't know why they find it so hard to promote.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 11 2011, 10:37 PM

Agreed. The band are incredibly lazy. I can't believe i'm saying this but if they're going to act like they don't give a shit then their album deserves to flop.

I wonder how Little Mix winning X-Factor will affect The Sats. Could go either way (they could "bring back girl power" just like JLS did with boybands, or they could completely overshadow the).

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 12 2011, 12:20 AM

Their not lazy at all. How the hell can they be at London studios to perform on Daybreak (or whatever) when they have to be in Cardiff for the tour in the same day for example.

You have to take into account of hair and make-up at the tv studios and all the other stuff they do, (they don't just "turn up for 3 minutes" that's ridiculous to even think so), the commute time it takes them to get there and then get to the tour venue, hair and make-up will have to be done again for the evenings performance.. you have to be at the venue hours before the show starts. I've worked in the industry on both sides, on the stage and off, I'm speaking from experience.

Why would the label waste even more money getting them on crappy daytime shows when they could be putting that money else where.. they had good promotion in the first place for My Heart Takes Over, and it wasn't just the usual trip around the daytime tv shows either. I wish people would stop moaning about where and how they promote, they can only do what they can realistically do. And what I mean by that is if everything else is booked apart from Daybreak and Alan Carr then they'll book Daybreak and Alan Carr. There's no picking and choosing.

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 11 2011, 10:37 PM) *
Agreed. The band are incredibly lazy. I can't believe i'm saying this but if they're going to act like they don't give a shit then their album deserves to flop.

I wonder how Little Mix winning X-Factor will affect The Sats. Could go either way (they could "bring back girl power" just like JLS did with boybands, or they could completely overshadow the).


There's a place and room for everyone in the industry. I don't literally feel like anyone will go "Ah The Saturdays deserve to flop as they can't be bothered to promote, I'm going to support Little Mix". In my opinion it will be good for them to have some strong competition. It'll certainly get it out their heads that they think they're bigger than they are.

All they can do now is send the next single off to radio's and hope it starts getting rotation until next year when they can start promoting the single.

They've worked non-stop this year. 2 tours, one member pregnant, another one hospitalized, the LP to complete, 3 singles.. cut them some slack. They're not lazy in that respect at all. They deserve their 2wks off after the tour and for Christmas, jeeze.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 12 2011, 06:01 AM

For all the hard work they're doing, it's certainly not translating into success. Everything was thrown into making 'On Your Radar' a success, so where do they go from here? Are they just going to continue aimlessly, praying that they'll eventually be able to sell albums in big quantities? I think it's clear that ship has sailed. Rejuvenating this group will be a very hard task. Seriously though, their current positions speak loud and clear. sad.gif #75 in the third week is appalling. 23-53-75. I fail to see how anyone could put a positive spin on this chart run! laugh.gif And indeed the sales.

Let's be real - right now they're a flop act. I feel they should hold on to their current experience as a headlining arena act for as long as they can, as the chances of another arena tour are surely pretty slim. They moved up to arenas because they were seemingly very desperate to do so, so their management took a gamble, despite there being no obvious signs that there was a big demand for it. Clearly they were keen on being able to put "The Saturdays" and "arena tour" into the same sentence. I see the arena tour as a risky attempt to make them look & seem bigger than they actually are, to convince people that they're the real deal. Has it worked? Hmm...

They most likely won't find themselves in the singles or album charts next week, just as a brand new girl group are set to storm the charts. That's an inconvenient position for The Saturdays to find themselves in. People can say that Little Mix have had the advantage of an X Factor boost, while The Saturdays had to work their way up - and that's true - but the mere fact a girl group flipping WON that competition says so much. It's obviously very premature to write The Saturdays off in terms of Little Mix, but it's remarkable how the X Factor viewing public have taken to these girls. It clearly shows that the public *can* be receptive to a girl group if all the right ingredients are there. They're fresh, and I'm excited to see how they do next year. The public who've got behind Little Mix aren't currently buying records by The Saturdays in their droves. What do The Saturdays lack in order to truly connect with the buying public, beyond a smattering of Top 5 singles? unsure.gif

I know this is a very negative post, but I'm failing to think of any positives with The Saturdays now sad.gif (other than on a personal level, for me the music is brilliant - just a shame the public at large really don't care to discover it / buy it).

Posted by: Encore Dec 12 2011, 08:58 AM

I agree with all you said, Jay. There's not much to be positive about at the minute. sad.gif

It'll do think that Little Mix's arrival will give The Sats good, healthy competition now... it'll force them to - hopefully - be here, there and everywhere so they don't become forgotten or overshadowed I hope... although I will say the embarrassing thing for The Sats is that Little Mix will probably surpass pretty much a fair bit that The Saturdays have achieved in half the time (along with that #1 single!). Not gonna lie though, I've just have a nagging feeling that 2012 will be the last year of The Sats. I think they'll split next year.

I love both groups and there's room for two girlbands but already just doing a simple search on Twitter makes it a bit disheartening to see tweets like 'The Saturdays are finished, we only need Little Mix' 'I bet The Saturdays all chucked their remote controls at the TV when Little Mix won' 'Bye The Saturdays' etc etc.... I think it's nice (however staged it is/was) that Little Mix clearly like and look up to The Sats and the girls themselves like Little Mix and vice versa, I don't see why we can have 3 big boybands at once but only 1 girlband at any one time, and have to dislike bands that are coming through etc! And it's annoying how people only seem to like one artist at a time and put them down for no apparent reason (fair enough if people don't like them.. but still... - I don't see why can't people like both Little Mix and The Sats at the same time, and it has to be made into a competition? They may be both girlgroups, but I think they're both different in image and potentially sound too. It's weird and it's frustrating but I'm very happy we've got 2 really good girlbands at the moment... but looking at the wider picture it looks as though the public aren't and probably never will be fully accepting of The Saturdays - they still haven't managed to fully make their mark while they've been the only girl group around for the past 2-ish years.

I do hope the arrival of Little Mix doesn't spell the end of The Sats, I just hope it makes them work harder and keep pushing but I'm not sure really. As much as it feels like they're never going to find their way out of this mess now, surely they'll be able to reap some kind of reward down the line? sad.gif Doubtful, but we can hope.

Posted by: Scherz Dec 12 2011, 03:10 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 12 2011, 12:20 AM) *
(they don't just "turn up for 3 minutes" that's ridiculous to even think so)


I actually said all they have to do is sit in a hair and make-up chair and then perform for 3 minutes.
And it's not like The Saturdays work any harder than any of the other pop bands out there because they don't.

I agree with whatever is being said about finding it hard to find anything positive about this situation.
I don't think Little Mix becoming big will spell the end for The Saturdays.. they were already dwindling before they started!
There's just no progression at all and I feel bad for saying it, but they need to up their game a LOT.
We say it at the end of every album era and nothing changes.

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 12 2011, 03:21 PM

Hopefully we can take Little Mix winning as a positive sign for The Sats, in the fact that they FINALLY have some real competition and will have to certainly up their game if they are to survive with them. Sugababes upped their game when the likes of Atomic Kitten and Destiny's Child were popular, which scored them their first major number 1's and got the album selling. They upped their game even more when Girls Aloud were formed. The Sats knew they didn't have to do much because even though 'My Heart Takes Over' and 'On Your Radar' bombed, they're still the biggest girl group in the UK at the moment. So now Little Mix have arrived, they're gonna have to step it up and show the public that they mean business!

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 12 2011, 03:39 PM

It could be positive for them in the future. The Sugababes/Girls Aloud is a very good example, as the first ones came after two singles that bombed (Follow Me Home and Easy) and the only thing they could sell was their past hits. But the charity single made them 'popular' again and they had a big hit by themselves after that.

If people start to be interested in girlbands again it would be a very good movement to release a GH, so the general public could re-discover their work.
The problem is, they still have to survive to this campaign.

I've heard the album is on 33.5k this week. Comparing with the last albums, Wordshaker had sold 25.5k by its third week, and Headlines! 40.k

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 12 2011, 11:35 PM

QUOTE(Scherz @ Dec 12 2011, 03:10 PM) *
I actually said all they have to do is sit in a hair and make-up chair and then perform for 3 minutes.
And it's not like The Saturdays work any harder than any of the other pop bands out there because they don't.


Oh I know what you meant, I just worded it a bit wrong, sorry.

They may just have to "sit in hair and make-up and perform for 3 minutes", but let's be economical. Is it worth all that wait and faff at a TV studio (that will probably have no benefit to the sales of the album, as it would be on a daytime show, and the fact that they've already capitalised on the first week sales where the majority of their fans will have already brought the record), when they have to perform at an arena in the evening and go through the same process again.. commute, hair and make-up etc? It's not really is it.

I highly doubt that any money they spent on the commute it took them to get to the tv studio (including their 'team') plus the cost to actually appear on the show would translate into an increase in sales. This is why it's crucial to get your campaign spot on. Their management have not been successful at organising their latest campaign's at all. The TV shows they've been on have been substantial, but the whole way the campaigns have been structured have been poor to say the least ('Notorious' being a prime example - they just couldn't figure out how to structure an on air/on sale style of release and combine the promotion and marketting to go with it successfully)

Releasing an album 1wk/2wks before embarking on an arena tour was always going to cause trouble, and they've lost so many ticket sales because of this; It's not just cost them sales from their music. The casual buyer will have only had 2wks to get used to the LP and actually decide if they'd want to invest further in the brand by going to one of their shows. 2wks is simply not enough time which is why there is usually at least a 3-4 month gap between the release of the album and the respective tour so they can shift more tickets. Simple.

So there you have it. Their management has lost them ticket and music sales because they couldn't organise the campaign properly. The Saturdays aren't business women, they're there to endorse their product at the end of the day, it's not up to them personally when or what or how they organise a campaign. I blame their managements poor skills at the end of the day.

They best hope that they can save this whole era next year because I can only see the next single's success riding on what happens to them in the future.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 13 2011, 12:38 AM

Maybe touring again so soon was a bad idea in itself? The people they attracted to the theatre tours in February may not have felt the need to buy tickets again in June (or indeed over the six months since they first went on sale). It's all been strange timing.

If they'd waited a bit longer, and truly put tonnes of hard work into this album right up until their Christmas break, then put tickets on sale, maybe they'd have had a more triumphant attempt at selling a large amount of tickets.

Anyway what's done is done, guess we just have to look to 2012 and what the next plan of attack is from them.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 13 2011, 01:27 AM

I agree, the reason why the Headlines tour was such a success because they had not toured in over one and a half year, had the headlines tour been an Arena tour I am sure it would have outsold their tickets sales now.
Anyway I remain positive for The Saturdays, I really hope they do up their game. At the end of the day they still have a strong fan base, decent airplay support something Sugababes will not get again and something any new girlband will not get. Look at Parade,Girls Cant Catch, SoundGirl, Wonderland.

NEXT YEAR, THEY MUST BREAK EUROPE.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 13 2011, 02:08 AM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 13 2011, 01:27 AM) *
NEXT YEAR, THEY MUST BREAK EUROPE.


Next year they must break the UK first.

Failing that (well, has it already?) Europe isn't out of the question. But then again they said in the All Fired Up tour programme that they have planned trips out to America.. God knows! laugh.gif

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 13 2011, 02:22 AM

I believe that's all talk and no substance tbh. unsure.gif

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 13 2011, 02:39 AM

I hate to be a negative nancy but let's face it, six months from now Little Mix will be the biggest girl group in the UK and the Saturdays won't even be able to claim that title by default anymore. I honestly think they'll have split by this time next year.

Posted by: Arrs Dec 13 2011, 12:28 PM

Mind you, Little Mix are the X Factor winners, so the Saturdays may still head for still remaining the biggest (albeit by default) UK girl-group... biggrin.gif

Posted by: SatsFan Dec 13 2011, 09:21 PM

No point in Dancing on their grave. It's all about Little Mix now

Posted by: Scherz Dec 13 2011, 10:58 PM

LOL some people are hilarious.
Do you really think Simon Cowell called Leona up and said "Leona, you're over. Alexandra has just won X Factor, she will be the biggest UK female forever, we don't need you now".
There's enough room for two girlbands (Sugababes & Girls Aloud anyone?) but The Saturdays just need to work SO much harder at it if they want to stay there.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 13 2011, 11:51 PM

QUOTE(Scherz @ Dec 13 2011, 10:58 PM) *
LOL some people are hilarious.
Do you really think Simon Cowell called Leona up and said "Leona, you're over. Alexandra has just won X Factor, she will be the biggest UK female forever, we don't need you now".
There's enough room for two girlbands (Sugababes & Girls Aloud anyone?) but The Saturdays just need to work SO much harder at it if they want to stay there.


Exactly! smile.gif

You only have to look at the UK's boybands.. JLS, The Wanted, One Direction, Westlife.. all successful and they've all had to compete against each other lately, a very healthy thing. Hell, even JLS and One Direction have collaborated a number of times on stage lately, if you can't beat them, join them!

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 14 2011, 01:47 AM

The Difference is Boybands get all the amazing promotion.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 14 2011, 01:52 AM

The difference is that girls like male groups but not girl groups, it's that old thing of girls finding girls threatening. Straight guys obviously don't tend to like either kind of group and gay guys are only a tiny minority, so you can only be a success if you get young teenage girls on board. And the Saturdays haven't really managed to do that. It's nothing to do with Little Mix really (they have already got female fans on board after a couple of months of being together, the Sats have had four years) but my point was that the Sats can't even claim the 'biggest girlband in the UK' mantra anymore which was arguably the one thing they had going for them. Now there is some serious competition.


Posted by: JakeWild Dec 14 2011, 01:57 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 13 2011, 02:08 AM) *
Next year they must break the UK first.

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Posted by: -Jay- Dec 14 2011, 03:29 AM

Not sure I agree that the Leona/Alexandra comparison is entirely relevant to this situation. Leona was doing fabulously when Alexandra started out, plus they're two female soloists with such different styles that their appeal stretched to different markets, I'd say. There was no particular worry that Alexandra would steal Leona's fan base, because Leona was very much established. If anything, there may have been doubts as to whether Alexandra could find her niche as the second female X Factor winner.

Little Mix & The Saturdays, as jark∞ suggested, are both aiming for the exact same markets - namely young females & gay boys. A girl group is generally limited to that - so they're directly in competition with each other, unlike Alex/Leona. Little Mix have launched to a ready-made big fan base, and have quite clearly connected with females, which is key. Meanwhile The Saturdays have struggled to build up and maintain a fan base across 4 albums worth of material, and are currently doing terribly sales wise. The last thing The Saturdays really needed was a new girl group to possibly poach the rather small fan base they currently have. It couldn't have happened at a worse time, as they hit a new low in their career. #23 album, 33,500 sales. For that to even constitute as "Britain's biggest girl group" is a sad state of affairs really. The Saturdays aren't major competition for Little Mix at this point, but Little Mix are worrying competition for The Saturdays.

It didn't take long for the press long to latch on to Little Mix v The Saturdays either. They're already starting to write The Saturdays off as having "an uncertain future".

QUOTE
Despite embarking on their All Fired Up tour, the future of the girl group doesn't look so certain following the pregnancy of Una Healy. Frankie Sandford has also kept fans guessing, recently taking a two month hiatus due to a mystery illness, and only taking part in select appearances. And now Little Mix look certain to steal their crown, Mollie, 24, is bidding farewell for an unexpected taste of Mumbai. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2073009/Mollie-King-set-to-India-model-boyfriend-David-Gandy.html


QUOTE
Little Mix win X Factor - so the The Saturdays* leave the country
Ok, maybe just one Saturday - Mollie King is set to move to India. Mollie's decision comes at a time when her band The Saturdays' future is in a lot of question. As well as her bandmate Una Healy being pregnant, Frankie Sandford has recently taken some time off from the band due to a mystery illness. With Little Mix winning the X Factor, their position as the UK's main girlband is looking under some threat. The return of Girls Aloud - rumoured to be happening with a 10 year reunion tour next year - will also affect them. http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2011/12/12/little-mix-win-x-factor-so-the-the-saturdays-leave-the-country-115875-23630592/


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Posted by: Encore Dec 14 2011, 08:03 AM

QUOTE(SatsFan @ Dec 13 2011, 09:21 PM) *
No point in Dancing on their grave. It's all about Little Mix now


Time to change your username then? Bore off, stop dancing on your own grave and posting here if you're just going to quit liking a group just because of a chart position but not because of the music itself. How long you gonna give it before you ditch Little Mix for the next girlband? tongue.gif You're not a 'fan' of any artist, clearly a glory hunter who latches on to who's popular.

Sad. laugh.gif

It is okay to like two girlbands at the same time you know..

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 14 2011, 11:40 AM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 14 2011, 01:47 AM) *
The Difference is Boybands get all the amazing promotion.


.. Because they've all made a huge success out of themselves at the end of the day. And if you're referring to The X Factor which I imagine you are, then all of the boy bands have ties to The X Factor and SyCo (apart from Westlife, now, and The Wanted, but let's not go there..)

It's got nothing to do with "They're a boy band, we MUST give them amazing promotion". They've simply carved out a good name for themselves.. with the help of SyCo.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 14 2011, 01:22 PM

I doubt Mollie would ever leave The Saturdays

Posted by: Tabloid Darling. Dec 14 2011, 04:20 PM

Eurgh it's so frustrating being a Saturdays fan. I dont get how their fanbase are supposed to care about their career when it doesn't even sound like they do. They had such an amazing opportunity and they've blown it. They've never been able to build on 'Chasing Lights', and they never will any more, it's sad cause they've had some amazing singles, but the public just don't care about them at all, and I don't think they ever have done to a huge extent to be honest.

With Little Mix on the scene now, I can't see things getting better for them, the few fans they do have left will probably drift over there and loon over Little Mix.

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Dec 14 2011, 05:09 PM

If Mollie left The Saturdays, I'd be absolutely gutted. I highly doubt it's true though.

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 14 2011, 07:14 PM

QUOTE(Tabloid Darling. @ Dec 14 2011, 05:20 PM) *
the few fans they do have left will probably drift over there and loon over Little Mix.


What a lovely group of fans they have then, dumping their loved artist for the newest cool act.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 14 2011, 09:30 PM

You get ludicrous comments on here!

Posted by: Arrs Dec 14 2011, 10:48 PM

My point about Little Mix as the winners was they would actually flop with their own material. Both two latest winners flopped and were outshadowed by the runner-ups. I can see Little Mix doing that too. They will do an 'Alexandra Burke' at most I think, which is a good thing though.

But with or without Little Mix I can't see the Saturdays lasting long unfortunately. And we won't have any girl-bands at all since then.

Posted by: Scherz Dec 14 2011, 10:51 PM

QUOTE(Arrs @ Dec 14 2011, 10:48 PM) *
My point about Little Mix as the winners was they would actually flop with their own material. Both two latest winners flopped and were outshadowed by the runner-ups. I can see Little Mix doing that too. They will do an 'Alexandra Burke' at most I think, which is a good thing though.

But with or without Little Mix I can't see the Saturdays lasting long unfortunately. And we won't have any girl-bands at all since then.


Don't want this thread turning into a Little Mix one, but I can't see that happening.
Little Mix will have at least a #1 second single & album.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 14 2011, 11:05 PM

Can we stay on topic please.

And as a closing comment regarding "Saturdays will split because of Little Mix" is total nonsense. If that was the case then you wouldn't have 4-5 boy bands would you in the UK right now. There's a place for everyone in the industry, get over it. Whatever happens to The Saturdays next year will have nothing to do with Little Mix.

Just as a comparison with their past albums, this is how much they each sold up to their 3rd charting week.

43,500 - Chasing Lights
41,500 - Headlines
33,500 - On Your Radar
25,500 - Wordshaker

So they're 'worse off' by 10k than when they started out 3yrs ago.

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 15 2011, 01:26 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 14 2011, 11:05 PM) *
Can we stay on topic please.

And as a closing comment regarding "Saturdays will split because of Little Mix" is total nonsense. If that was the case then you wouldn't have 4-5 boy bands would you in the UK right now. There's a place for everyone in the industry, get over it. Whatever happens to The Saturdays next year will have nothing to do with Little Mix.

Just as a comparison with their past albums, this is how much they each sold up to their 3rd charting week.

43,500 - Chasing Lights
41,500 - Headlines
33,500 - On Your Radar
25,500 - Wordshaker

So they're 'worse off' by 10k than when they started out 3yrs ago.
Considering that then, that's not too bad. Especially seeing as album sales are abysmal at the moment and are definitely worse than they were 3 years or so ago.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 15 2011, 02:19 AM

Jonjo that's a rubbish excuse LOL. There is *no* way of painting 33.5k after three weeks as a success.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 15 2011, 02:30 AM

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 02:19 AM) *
Jonjo that's a rubbish excuse LOL. There is *no* way of painting 33.5k after three weeks as a success.


By no means are we trying to sugar coat this, but album sales are considerably lower than they where 3yrs ago. If it wasn't for the Christmas market right now You'd be looking at 15k for this album so far in '2011' sales terms - it was only 8k for a Top 10 about 6wks ago.

Under these circumstances, maybe there is still legs in this album. Maybe a well executed single release next year could stabilize the LP. It's a possibility, something that shouldn't be ruled out.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 15 2011, 02:47 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 15 2011, 02:30 AM) *
By no means are we trying to sugar coat this, but album sales are considerably lower than they where 3yrs ago. If it wasn't for the Christmas market right now You'd be looking at 15k for this album so far in '2011' sales terms - it was only 8k for a Top 10 about 6wks ago.

They're what, 25% lower? If they had a solid fanbase this wouldn't even be a problem but their releases are so dependent upon catching a crowd who aren't really into them but just happens to like their latest song or whatever.

Also I don't buy that the Christmas market has given them a lift. Maybe they thought it would but if this album had come out 3 months earlier, I bet it would have achieved the exact same sales, just a higher chart position.


Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 15 2011, 03:40 AM

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 02:47 AM) *

They're what, 25% lower? If they had a solid fanbase this wouldn't even be a problem but their releases are so dependent upon catching a crowd who aren't really into them but just happens to like their latest song or whatever.

Also I don't buy that the Christmas market has given them a lift. Maybe they thought it would but if this album had come out 3 months earlier, I bet it would have achieved the exact same sales, just a higher chart position.



Oh the Christmas market has definitely given it a lift. It's not exclusive to The Saturdays though, it applies to any artist that releases this time of year due to the increase in album sales given as gifts at Christmas, stating the obvious.

For example,

2008:
2nd week of October: 16k for #10
2nd week of December: 69k for #10

2009:
2nd week of October: 15k for #10
2nd week of December: 76k for #10

2010:
2nd week of October: 13k for #10
2nd week of December: 62k for #10

2011:
2nd week of October: 12k for #10
2nd week of December: 60k for #10

This shows a significant rise of sales during every 4th quatre to get a Top 10 album. This also shows the drop in album sales over the past 4yrs. For example in 2009 you needed 76k for a #10 in December, and in 2011 you need 16k less (60k) for a Top 10 in December. Also 16k for a Top 10 in 2008 in October, and 4k less (12k) for a Top 10 in October 2011.

Posted by: shakilover Dec 15 2011, 09:40 AM

Random question: can you guys tell me which songs does Frankie have any lead vocals on. I've just realized I haven't once singled her out on the album :/

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 15 2011, 12:06 PM

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 02:19 AM) *
Jonjo that's a rubbish excuse LOL. There is *no* way of painting 33.5k after three weeks as a success.
Oh 33.5k is not a success, but in Sats terms, I'd say it wasn't particularly bad either. It's not too far behind their 3rd week sales of 'Headlines' and had sales been stronger/2008 standard, I'm pretty confident this album would be closer to 'Headlines', if not above it. But there's no way of telling/proving that now so I'm just gonna move on. laugh.gif This album has flopped but that sales breakdown has given me hope that this album could get another little boost. (Providing 'The Way You Watch Me' is the hit I'm thinking it will be) But anyway. It's clear The Saturdays aren't album sellers anyway, so it's prety much as expected for them. It's just a shame the peak and chart run is so crap.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 15 2011, 01:19 PM

QUOTE(shakilover @ Dec 15 2011, 09:40 AM) *
Random question: can you guys tell me which songs does Frankie have any lead vocals on. I've just realized I haven't once singled her out on the album :/


'Faster' definitely, and someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she's the one who starts off 'The Way You Watch Me'.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 15 2011, 03:56 PM

You can't just say the sales "aren't that bad" because they're close to Headlines. Headlines only had one new single to promote it when it was released (OYR had three) and was a much cheaper option for the label. 33K on the third week of a major album launch (3 singles, winter release, fourth album by the UK's "biggest girlband", tour etc) is dreadful for absolutely anyone. Olly Murs has already sold 300K in three weeks (he'll have overtaken Chasing Lights in a few days presumably, and we saw 340K for that was a "huge success" for The Sats).

We can't keep mushing everything down and say "oh it's good for The Sats" because at the end of the day they're getting the same amount of money spent on them as other artists and at this stage they SHOULD be able to compete with the big acts.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 15 2011, 04:20 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 15 2011, 03:56 PM) *
You can't just say the sales "aren't that bad" because they're close to Headlines. Headlines only had one new single to promote it when it was released (OYR had three) and was a much cheaper option for the label. 33K on the third week of a major album launch (3 singles, winter release, fourth album by the UK's "biggest girlband", tour etc) is dreadful for absolutely anyone. Olly Murs has already sold 300K in three weeks (he'll have overtaken Chasing Lights in a few days presumably, and we saw 340K for that was a "huge success" for The Sats).

We can't keep mushing everything down and say "oh it's good for The Sats" because at the end of the day they're getting the same amount of money spent on them as other artists and at this stage they SHOULD be able to compete with the big acts.


mmmm maybe you have written them off but it doesn't mean others have.

are you telling us that you thought a few months ago that OYR was gonna sell 700k like an Olly Murs album (an XF contestant, male soloist, TV presenter....) ?

Imma say no.


it is what it is. they may split. they may not.

the most funny thing (and this isnt directed at you shadow!!) is that a few months ago all we had was "OMG! I LOVE NOTOTIOUS ITS GONNA BE THEIR FIRST #1" then a few weeks later "ALL FIRED UP IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN NOTORIOUS, MY FAVE SONG OF THEIRS" and then "OMG! MY HEART TAKES OVER IS EPIC, #1, BEST SINGLE OF THEIRS..."

now its "3 weak singles" "crap sound" "nobody likes them"

reading back through this whole forum is an actual lol!

Posted by: Encore Dec 15 2011, 04:32 PM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 15 2011, 04:20 PM) *
mmmm maybe you have written them off but it doesn't mean others have.

are you telling us that you thought a few months ago that OYR was gonna sell 700k like an Olly Murs album (an XF contestant, male soloist, TV presenter....) ?

Imma say no.
it is what it is. they may split. they may not.

the most funny thing (and this isnt directed at you shadow!!) is that a few months ago all we had was "OMG! I LOVE NOTOTIOUS ITS GONNA BE THEIR FIRST #1" then a few weeks later "ALL FIRED UP IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN NOTORIOUS, MY FAVE SONG OF THEIRS" and then "OMG! MY HEART TAKES OVER IS EPIC, #1, BEST SINGLE OF THEIRS..."

now its "3 weak singles" "crap sound" "nobody likes them"


reading back through this whole forum is an actual lol!


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you've also done this. (Like myself at times tongue.gif)

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 15 2011, 04:41 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 15 2011, 03:56 PM) *
You can't just say the sales "aren't that bad" because they're close to Headlines. Headlines only had one new single to promote it when it was released (OYR had three) and was a much cheaper option for the label. 33K on the third week of a major album launch (3 singles, winter release, fourth album by the UK's "biggest girlband", tour etc) is dreadful for absolutely anyone. Olly Murs has already sold 300K in three weeks (he'll have overtaken Chasing Lights in a few days presumably, and we saw 340K for that was a "huge success" for The Sats).

We can't keep mushing everything down and say "oh it's good for The Sats" because at the end of the day they're getting the same amount of money spent on them as other artists and at this stage they SHOULD be able to compete with the big acts.


No-one's sugar coating anything. Headlines had a completely different release strategy so I don't think On Your Radar and Headlines can be compared. Headlines was released off a heavily radio played single (Missing You, airplay #1), plus the reality TV show.

What's On Your Radar had? Radio's have been reluctant to touch them after Notorious, but that doesn't mean they weren't getting played because All Fired Up has spent 20wks in the Airplay Top 100. The fact that My Heart Takes Over flopped made everything go from bad to worse, but seeing that they're only down 10k from their 'golden age' from Chasing Lights, it doesn't seem that bad.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 15 2011, 04:45 PM

There is a difference between writing them off, and being completely honest about how they're doing at the moment! I agree with shadow2009's post.

It's not a reflection at all on being supportive or not, because I truly wish they were doing better.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 15 2011, 05:17 PM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 15 2011, 04:20 PM) *
mmmm maybe you have written them off but it doesn't mean others have.

are you telling us that you thought a few months ago that OYR was gonna sell 700k like an Olly Murs album (an XF contestant, male soloist, TV presenter....) ?


No, i'm not writing them off actually. I'm being realistic. I've been a fan since the Comic Relief promo, and survived the Wordshaker flop and all the singles underperforming, but there comes a point when you have to sit and think "just HOW are they going to get out of this one?". Wordshaker was a massive blow to them, but they've done even worse with this album (so far) and this was supposed to be their make or break.

I don't exactly know what figure I was hoping for but considering their profile and all the circumstances surrounding the release, a minimum of 30K opening week was probably what I had in mind. Maybe about 350/400K in total. They are after all the UK's biggest girlband and have been around for four years.

Going back to your accusation that i've gave up on them. No, I haven't. I seen them two nights ago at Glasgow and had a brilliant time and was beaming with pride watching them. I was so happy that the arena was full, that the girls were enjoying themselves and that I got to hear my favourite songs performed. I've bought all their material and have defended them non stop since 2009, but i'd be lying if I said "oh well, they didn't do that bad compared to Parade and Wonderland, so they should be safe for another album". They're in a very awkward position right now - Una is pregnant and will be taking time off, Frankie is part time, this album just bombed, radio aren't supporting them, the media are already predicting the end, attention and hype is on Little Mix (at the moment, and no i'm not saying there can't be more than one girlband on the scene but The Sats are relying on sponsors and the 'UK's biggest girlband tag' and Little Mix have ITV/X-Factor/pre-built fanbase behind them). What's the next step? They need to get another single out ASAP and just pray it not only is a hit (i.e more than 200K) but also get that album back into the top 40 and get it selling. If their next single follows the same trend as MHTO then I don't know what they'll do, honestly.

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 15 2011, 06:02 PM

I'm coming across as a right loon, but seriously I can definitely see your side of things and find myself agreeing with your post a few posts up. But it's hard trying to get something round on an internet. People often misread/misinterpret what you actually think/want to say. I am terrible for wording things on here laugh.gif but I do think The Sats will be safe, at the very least until their next album. Everything they do after Una giving birth/resting will truly be the make or break era for them. They're the "UK's biggest girl group" in an era where the girl group is fading and pretty much have it by default, they've done well to survive through it now. So it's difficult to know what to expect from the biggest girl group at this moment in time. (does that make sense? Haha.) Hopefully with Little Mix being the XF winners it will give some positive light on girl groups in general (not just The Saturdays) and help them become successful that little bit more.

We can only hope that The Sats will actually get their arses into gear and see they now have a real threat and competition and will do everything they've already done, but on a bigger scale. (for example MORE PROMOTION when it's needed most. Not going on holidays when they release a song!!)

Posted by: Liаm Dec 15 2011, 06:11 PM

This is probably blind looning but I think there's a chance for their next album to be bigger. Seeing as it seems the boyband phase is dying down (JLS, 1D and The Wanted all underperformed with their latest singles), perhaps, especially with Little Mix winning XF, a new girlband era could be dawning? Meh, probably just wishful thinking tongue.gif

I agree with Jonjo though, they will need to properly crank it up a notch (although it does feel like they endlessly promote to the point of almost desperation as it is laugh.gif) to stay afloat!

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 15 2011, 06:33 PM

I agree there could be some sort of "revival" regarding girl bands.

We've had One Direction, The Wanted and JLS as the three main boy bands recently, but we've also had "man bands" like Westlife and Take That dominating the charts for years as well. Then there is McFly who've been pretty succesful, Scouting For Girls, and before them there was Busted who were huge. We have many male vocalist groups/bands (Coldplay, The Script, Maroon 5, OneRepublic and all the rock bands) but very little female fronted bands. When you look at the charts, it's pretty much split between solo females, male rappers, female dance acts, boy bands and the occasional solo male. There's very little girl groups in the charts and aside from The Sats we've only had Parade, Wonderland, Mini Viva, Belle Aime, Dolly Rockers, Soundgirl, Girls Can't Catch and none of them even had a proper hit. I would like to blame their flops purely on their image, promotion, material etc but I think in reality girl bands are the toughest type of act to have success and i'm very interested to see what impact Little Mix have on The Sats (because I do genuinely think there will be some sort of impact, whether positive or negative).

Posted by: Arrs Dec 15 2011, 07:09 PM

While comparing the sales don't forget that all the albums, including 'On Your Radar', have the Christmas boost now. The Sats didn't have that Christmas boost on their first three weeks during all their former LP/Headlines releases.

Let's just wait and see. Personally, I think they will release the Best Of next and see how it will do. If well we shall have the chance of more albums in the future.

And I don't see any revival in the girl-band sphere. We have had the flop after flop this year there. Yep, Little Mix won the XF but they will have relatively low first week sales of their winner single. Besides, they might flop with their own material.

Posted by: matty9694 Dec 15 2011, 09:41 PM

I think you could all be right about the Girl Band revival, I hope so anyway!

However, I do think that The Sats will have to change their image from polished, perfect pop princess type to who they really are, down to earth and great fun! Before I became a proper fan (after JCGE), I always thought they were 5 boring faceless girls, so I think they should put their personalities into their videos much more! They are some of the nicest, funniest and most genuine girls in music. I think their current image threatens girls. You probably all disagree, but I this is just my opinion.

Posted by: jark∞ Dec 15 2011, 09:46 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 15 2011, 03:40 AM) *
Oh the Christmas market has definitely given it a lift. It's not exclusive to The Saturdays though, it applies to any artist that releases this time of year due to the increase in album sales given as gifts at Christmas, stating the obvious.

This shows a significant rise of sales during every 4th quatre to get a Top 10 album. This also shows the drop in album sales over the past 4yrs. For example in 2009 you needed 76k for a #10 in December, and in 2011 you need 16k less (60k) for a Top 10 in December. Also 16k for a Top 10 in 2008 in October, and 4k less (12k) for a Top 10 in October 2011.

I understand the notion of sales increasing during the final six weeks of the year - what I'm saying is that their sales would probably have been the same whenever they released this, it's only the positions which would have changed. I would bet that few if any buyers are buying this as a Christmas gift. It just seems to be their small fanbase buying, hence the drop off every week.


Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 15 2011, 09:49 PM

The thing is, they're doing well on the arena tour. There's more people willing to pay £25+ to see them live than there is people willing to pay less than a tenner for the album!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 15 2011, 10:58 PM

QUOTE(jark∞ @ Dec 15 2011, 09:46 PM) *
I understand the notion of sales increasing during the final six weeks of the year - what I'm saying is that their sales would probably have been the same whenever they released this, it's only the positions which would have changed. I would bet that few if any buyers are buying this as a Christmas gift. It just seems to be their small fanbase buying, hence the drop off every week.



No way would they have had the same sales if they'd released this a few months earlier. That 18k that they opened with for example was down to the 25% more people buying albums in shops for Christmas. Just coming up with random figures here, nothing official, just for example. You take away that 25% and that's what they would have opened with a few months ago.

My HMV still had On Your Radar in the chart section which is pretty decent.

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 17 2011, 12:43 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 15 2011, 06:17 PM) *
Wordshaker was a massive blow to them, but they've done even worse with this album (so far) and this was supposed to be their make or break.


They are actually doing quite better? selling more albums and more singles than Wordshaker and Forever Is Over. And getting the profits from an arena tour.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 17 2011, 07:03 PM

QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Dec 17 2011, 12:43 PM) *
They are actually doing quite better? selling more albums and more singles than Wordshaker and Forever Is Over. And getting the profits from an arena tour.


Thing is, with Wordshaker they were kind of allowed to flop because of so many factors (one single promoting the album, released FAR too early, awful image change, awful lead single etc) but now they've had three singles, much more money pumped into them, they've been around for another two years and supposed to have built up a fanbase and they're not making any progress.

And actually Ego has sold more than the album (OYR) and it's most succesful single (AFU) together.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 17 2011, 07:16 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 17 2011, 07:03 PM) *
Thing is, with Wordshaker they were kind of allowed to flop because of so many factors (one single promoting the album, released FAR too early, awful image change, awful lead single etc) but now they've had three singles, much more money pumped into them, they've been around for another two years and supposed to have built up a fanbase and they're not making any progress.

And actually Ego has sold more than the album (OYR) and it's most succesful single (AFU) together.


"They where allowed to flop" ? You for real? I've seen some bizarre comments about some of their failures, but this is just a ridiculous excuse. laugh.gif

I don't get what you're saying about Ego. It outsold On Your Radar (so far) yes.. but are you also forgetting that it's probably outsold their other 3 LP's too? Moot point. What 'Ego' has to do with On Your Radar is beyond me.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 17 2011, 09:36 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 17 2011, 07:16 PM) *
"They where allowed to flop" ? You for real? I've seen some bizarre comments about some of their failures, but this is just a ridiculous excuse. laugh.gif

I don't get what you're saying about Ego. It outsold On Your Radar (so far) yes.. but are you also forgetting that it's probably outsold their other 3 LP's too? Moot point. What 'Ego' has to do with On Your Radar is beyond me.


I did say "kind of". I meant that the flop was expected and wasn't as disastrous as this one due to the factors being completely different. Wordshaker bombed because everything surrounding it was a mess, so we kind of let The Sats off with it and just prayed it wouldn't happen again and after all (as we thought back then) nearly every artist suffers a sophomore curse. On Your Radar should never have flopped at all and there's nothing really to blame it flopping on, unlike Wordshaker. It's not like we can say "oh it's just a second album slump" anymore.

And I was picking up on what the poster I quoted said about The Sats selling more singles than Forever Is Over (when actually FIO has sold much much more than MHTO and only about 10K less than Notorious and 20K less than AFU, hardly a growth) and selling albums than Wordshaker (when it seems that right now OYR will probably sell less or roughly the same as it).

Posted by: Liаm Dec 17 2011, 09:38 PM

I can see Shadow's point, given that there wasn't quite as much of a fanbase, quite as much money put into it, the lead single did badly and there wasn't as much hype - it was more justifiable that Wordshaker flopped, whereas with OYR, there was promo galore, you can tell money was pumped in and their fanbase has built up - yet still it misses top 20.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 18 2011, 02:55 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 17 2011, 07:03 PM) *
they were kind of allowed to flop

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 17 2011, 07:16 PM) *
"They where allowed to flop" ?

Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but I can't resist pointing this out - it's 'were', not 'where'. sad.gif



Perhaps "they were kind of allowed to flop" was a little bit generous, but Shadow's overall point makes a lot of sense to me, as does Liam's follow up post. The current era almost seems worse to me than the 'Wordshaker' era, considering it's 2 years on from then - the complete lack of progression is disheartening. It always feels like one step forward and two steps back with these girls.

Completing a half-capacity arena tour is all well and good, but at this stage of their career I don't think it should be lauded as a greater success than it is. I certainly don't think it's enough to completely excuse their current level of record sales.

Question is, can the next tour be full-capacity? Could they do more dates? unsure.gif The "Black curtain" tends to be the kiss of death for an artist doing arenas again - for example, the Sugababes.

I'm not convinced there will be much demand for another Saturdays arena tour, not after how they're currently doing on the charts. The only way I see another arena tour being feasible is if they waited for another 18 months to do one. For example, release a Greatest Hits towards the end of 2012, and then put tickets on sale for a tour in mid-2013. The big gap between tours would possibly drum up greater demand for another one. If they announce another one too quickly, I fear it'd be a disaster.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 18 2011, 07:36 PM

Down ten places to #85 this week.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 18 2011, 07:48 PM

Least they have passed 40k!

Posted by: Liаm Dec 18 2011, 07:54 PM

They're not catastrophically flopping quite as hard as expected actually, obviously it's still not a massive success but I honestly expected it to be long gone from the top 100 by now, so for it to only be just outside top 75 is good (relatively) I suppose.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 18 2011, 07:57 PM

It's certainly slowed down alot from falling #23 - #53 (30 places) then #53 - #75 (22 places), but they really need another single out NOW before it's out of the top 100 and stops showing up on all the charts/people forget about it.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 18 2011, 08:55 PM

There's only 1 new entry ahead of them, so that helped them have the opportunity to not dive as much this week.

Albums that were #76, 77, 78, 80, 83, 85, 86, 87, 88, 90, 96 and 101 last week are ahead of them this week (plus that 1 new entry). 'On Your Radar' is higher this week than the albums that were #68, 69 and 74 last week (Korn, Nightwish & Wham! respectively).

The only positive to draw from this is that at least they didn't fall below more albums they were out-selling last week, lol. #85 is still only #85. mellow.gif Colour me not impressed.

Posted by: Neil Dec 18 2011, 09:11 PM

Yeah, #85 is an awful position for an album this new. And 40k sales are awful, especially when it's not likely to get much higher.

Posted by: SatsFan Dec 18 2011, 11:41 PM

Its falling has slowed? The fall couldn't exactly have sped up anymore

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 18 2011, 11:58 PM

At least the album has potential to linger in the Top 100 for a bit then since there's no significant album releases until after New Year, maybe even later on than that. The sales will plummet though.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 19 2011, 03:27 AM

I hope it can hang in the top 100 next week. They need to release single 4 to the radio's now. The worrying thing is that they will not be doing a video for it until Mid January as they are away to have a two week break unless they are doing the video now.

They need to start working their asses off, should still be promoting and take advantage on the Christmas sales! Hopefully the album shifts around 10,000+ next week.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 19 2011, 11:58 AM

They're going on a two week break? ohmy.gif What idiots if that's true. I know they've just finished a tour (but come on, it was hardly the Born This Way Ball or the Loud tour) but do they really need a two week break at this crucial point of their careers? They need a new single out FAST or else this album, era and possibly their careers will be dead.

Although I suppose if their label are allowing them to have a break than that means they probably aren't concerned about the sales/chart position? Either way The Sats need to put some effort in. If I were them i'd refuse a break until I got the 4th video shot.


Posted by: Steve D Dec 19 2011, 12:16 PM

TBH i think they need a break, even though the tour wasn't long they will still be warn out, especially their voices. Then after the break they can come back super fresh and work extremely hard.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 19 2011, 12:27 PM

http://youtu.be/JAL-Ig7_5G0

Posted by: Encore Dec 19 2011, 12:46 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 19 2011, 11:58 AM) *
They're going on a two week break? ohmy.gif What idiots if that's true. I know they've just finished a tour (but come on, it was hardly the Born This Way Ball or the Loud tour) but do they really need a two week break at this crucial point of their careers? They need a new single out FAST or else this album, era and possibly their careers will be dead.

Although I suppose if their label are allowing them to have a break than that means they probably aren't concerned about the sales/chart position? Either way The Sats need to put some effort in. If I were them i'd refuse a break until I got the 4th video shot.


It's Christmas and New Year, for crying out loud. They're not taking a random 2 week holiday off like they did around the Notorious release. They've been on the road for almost three weeks now rehearsing, on stages around the UK for 13 90 minute shows over 2 weeks... and they're idiots for having a bit of time off - like pretty much everyone else in the UK will be - to spend with their families and friends over the next week for Xmas and New Year and to rest themselves for the first few months of 2012? blink.gif While I don't think they should have toured this month, and the tour is hardly on the scale of Gaga etc, and I think instead been out promoting the album anywhere and everywhere, they do need a bit of downtime to sort themselves out and freshen themselves up for the next few months - especially Una.

After the first few days of New Year they'll be straight back into the thick of things and trying to sort this out and finalise a potential 4th single asap and shoot the vid late/mid Jan. I hope.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 19 2011, 01:03 PM

QUOTE(Encore @ Dec 19 2011, 12:46 PM) *
It's Christmas and New Year, for crying out loud. They've been on the road for almost three weeks now rehearsing, touring the UK for 90-ish mins a night for 13 shows over 2 weeks, and they're idiots for having a bit of time off - like pretty much everyone else in the UK will be - to spend with their families and friends over the next week for Xmas and New Year and to rest themselves for the first few months of 2012?

After the first few days of New Year they'll be straight back into the thick of things and trying to sort this out. I hope. tongue.gif


But The Sats need to think about their careers. I'm not denying them Christmas and New Year, but they don't need two full weeks for a break. Their tour was fairly short and they always had days off in between dates. Other artists have tours lasting for a year around the world and miss Christmas and New Year. It's what you sometimes have to do in your career.

Right now their "baby" album is bombing down the charts and is unlikely to stabilise anytime soon. They have the choice to wait until January to start filming the video and somehow hope the album can return back to the charts (even though it'll be well out of the top 100 by that point) or try and get a few days before then and get it filmed and get it released as soon as possible. They can get a video shot in a day and then they don't need to do any work for the rest of the holidays as the video will be out and hopefully the single/album will both stay in the charts long enough until The Sats have returned and can start promoting. Forget a video, why can't they just announce the next single and get it sent to radio? Why don't they even try and get a signing booked?

I'm not saying they can't spend Xmas Day and New Year Eve/Day with their family but they have to think about their careers. They can't just think "oh well we've done a short UK tour so we can afford to do what we want for two weeks". Real artists work every day and spend all their time striving to be the best they can.

If they don't release a fourth single, or they wait until the middle of January to film a video (knowing it won't be out until February) then yes, they are idiots. This is their careers. They know what they're signing up for when you choose to be a pop star, your personal lives come second.

(i'm sorry if I sound harsh but I really want them to make this era a success and they just don't seem to be doing anything to try and sell it!)

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 19 2011, 01:35 PM

Shadow you are talking complete sense. The Saturdays have a little girls mentality and have fans making silly excuses for them. So they miss xmas and new years? So? Whats the point of having those two days you've had for over 20 years when your career dies and you eventually end up broke? lol. Being in the music business is not a walk in the park and where you stand shows how much work you put in. The girls work, but they don't work hard to the bone. Only during the Missing You promotion work did they put effort in and it showed.

If they were truly driven like at the start of their career even when they were so fresh and new then they'd be somewhere a lot higher right now. Perhaps US artists have a different work ethic and they're managed by people who know how exactly to get their artists to be the best of themselves they can be. It seems, UK management is way too lenient and don't really think 2 steps ahead because if they had, they would've shot their 4th single video while Una was in the early stages of her pregnancy, but now instead they will make a boring simple video to make sure there's no strain on Una as she will be heavily pregnant.

What Beyoncé has been doing while pregnant this year puts all these girls put together to shame and I'm not even a massive fan. But she's done something like 5/6 videos (and some of those videos included several dance routines -Run the world, Countdown..), a live concert performance (roseland), glastonbury, as well as performances internationally (which I can somewhat substitute for the sats arena tour in terms of travel and audience).

They ought to take a leaf out of a real hard workers book to learn how it's done. Even Miss work Non Stop Rihanna, my God. The Loud Era and tour barely finished and she's already released another album and has been promoting it non stop as well as preparing for the next tour i'm sure lol. She's gotten where she is because of her work ethic because she's nowhere near as talented as the Sats but she has been pushed and she's also pushed to get herself to be a mega star.

Sorry to ramble and stuff but really I hate people that make excuse, I know what it's like to be a musician. People don't give two sh*ts about excuses. You either do it, or you don't. The fact that you're tired/pregnant/ill/old or whatever does not matter. Work hard to get it, or you die out. It's that simple to be honest. The only 'excuse' I could comprehend for the sats is that they started from scratch and didn't have the reality tv exposure etc but then again....Spice Girls? All Saints? Sugababes? Destinys Child? En Vogue? I know, different genres and eras but it's not a fantastic 'excuse'.

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 19 2011, 04:26 PM

I love this album, Such a shame to see it flopping. sad.gif

Posted by: missingyou Dec 19 2011, 06:14 PM

I feel sorry for the girls, but maybe them taking this break is because they have realised its the end/ decided to call it a day, and are just biding a bit of time?

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 19 2011, 06:44 PM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 19 2011, 06:14 PM) *
I feel sorry for the girls, but maybe them taking this break is because they have realised its the end/ decided to call it a day, and are just biding a bit of time?


Thing is, though, it wouldn't BE the end if the girls put more effort in. Obviously they do *enough* (promoting during single weeks, touring and doing gigs) but they should be doing more. It's not their fault that the album has flopped, but they aren't even trying to save it! If I were them i'd be doing everything I could to get out there and either start promoting the next single or do some signings to keep interest. How are they ever going to break Europe (never mind the US!) if they need a two week break at Christmas? Pop stars need to make sacrifices and put their work first. Fair enough Una is pregnant but the other four girls always seem really lazy anyway.

Some fans on here are far too forgiving. Yes, they're human beings and they need a break but we're acting as if they've done alot this year! They've only ever really put some effort in for the singles promotion (and even then MHTO barely got any) and done a short tour in December. I want my pop stars to be the best they can be and although The Sats are extremely unlucky regarding sales and chart positions, they simply aren't putting the effort in to justify them getting any success anyway!

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 19 2011, 07:26 PM

I think it boils down to them not being that passionate about it all, to be honest. They seem to do as much as they feel is required, and enjoy the perks along the way!

I don't lay total blame with the girls themselves, as I get the feeling their management/label have a similar mentality - just bumble along and hope they do reasonably well, rather than really push things further & strive to reach full potential. Any mention of the US just seems daft to me, because I don't think they've ever demonstrated properly how they could possibly commit to that. It'd be 100 times the work load. I just don't see it.

I don't actually begrudge the girls taking a 2 week break if that's what they want / feel they deserve. If they feel they can afford to take a fortnight off and not think about the fortunes of their album, then that's the choice they've made. They'll only get out of this era what they put in, and if that's nothing for another month, then fine! I'm starting to feel tired of being disappointed for them, and am beginning to think I should just accept the current level they're at. If The Saturdays & their team are (seemingly) relaxed about it, then perhaps the fans should ease off too. We buy their records, support them and show our passion, it's all we can do. At the end of the day, they are masters of their own destinies!

So in a nutshell... I'm going to try and relax and not get too worked up or frustrated over how they do, ha.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 19 2011, 08:29 PM

Shaddow you're talking complete nonsense.

Do you think it's possible to shoot a video when most production companies are on their Christmas breaks? It's not just The Saturdays that are taking their Christmas break too you know. It's not always possible to do things in the 'spur of the moment' or plan a video the day before and shoot in the next day. It just doesn't work like that. Weeks of planning goes into a video shoot. Set, script, lighting, styling, story boarding...

Who ever says they haven't worked their assess of this year is delusional. 2 tours, 3 single campaigns, and an album to promote during a single release, tour rehearsals and the actual tour.. Frankie was hospitalized, Una's pregnant, if anything they need this 2wks off more than ever to re-gain some normality in their lives.

By no means am I trying to make their un-performing album justifiable because in theory it shouldn't be under-performing, but failings in their management and label have contributed a huge part in the under-performance. It's tiring reading your posts, slagging the girls off "they should be doing more" blah blah blah. I'd like to see you get up on stage every night and try to perform on an early morning TV show to promote the LP...

Like Jay said, everyone needs to relax and stop over-dramatizing everything.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 19 2011, 09:08 PM

Do you think it's possible to shoot a video when most production companies are on their Christmas breaks? It's not just The Saturdays that are taking their Christmas break too you know. It's not always possible to do things in the 'spur of the moment' or plan a video the day before and shoot in the next day. It just doesn't work like that. Weeks of planning goes into a video shoot. Set, script, lighting, styling, story boarding...

Well they should have had a video shot before the Christmas breaks then. Simple. Did they honestly think My Heart Takes Over alone would keep this album selling over Christmas and into the New Year? They weren't prepared for this album flopping and it shows, which you'd think they would be considering what happened to Wordshaker. If they can't shoot a video, i'm sure it's alot less hassle to send a song to radio and have some build up for when the video is eventually released. If they can't send the song to radio, they should try book a signing after Christmas. They should be doing anything they can, and using every option to their advantage. Maybe it's a bit harsh to blame the girls, and this is the fault of their management, but whoever is in charge of this campaign is doing a bloody awful job and when the album is out of the charts completely in a few weeks and the fourth single gets cancelled/underperforms/does nothing for the album we'll have everyone on here saying "they should have done this, they should have done that". I'm saying it NOW before anything else goes wrong.

Who ever says they haven't worked their assess of this year is delusional. 2 tours, 3 single campaigns, and an album to promote during a single release, tour rehearsals and the actual tour.. Frankie was hospitalized, Una's pregnant, if anything they need this 2wks off more than ever to re-gain some normality in their lives

Two VERY SHORT tours. Yes, they worked hard on rehearsals and they put on a great show at the actual dates but at the end of the day other artists have much bigger productions, much more complicated routines, much more travelling and much more dates and still seem to be more enthusiastic and hard working than the girls. Their choreography is very limited and aside from Frankie and Vanessa they never give it 100% on their dancing. 3 single campaigns? That's their job - to promote! Are we congratulating them on going on TV and doing a 3 minute performance? They were fantastic on the promo for the first two singles but the third single was a joke and they looked bored and disinterested. Frankie wasn't hospitalised until November so that's no excuse for their laziness this year.

By no means am I trying to make their un-performing album justifiable because in theory it shouldn't be under-performing, but failings in their management and label have contributed a huge part in the under-performance. It's tiring reading your posts, slagging the girls off "they should be doing more" blah blah blah. I'd like to see you get up on stage every night and try to perform on an early morning TV show to promote the LP...

I'm not slagging them off. I'm trying to be constructive. I want the girls to be the best they can be, and I want them to get the success that their material deserves but it seems like The Sats just rely on their fanbase alone to get them success. They moan about not getting the attention they deserve but when it comes to it they treat their careers as 9-5 jobs that don't really need anything extra from the girls once they've completed their commitments.

Posted by: Propilot87 Dec 19 2011, 09:22 PM

If nothing else their management should have at least sent one of their songs to radio to at least get things rolling and to make sure people haven't 'forgotten' them, they could always put out a video in the new year but there's no harm sending a song for radio adds at this point, hopefully it would take and people would go buy the album.

Posted by: Martyn Dec 19 2011, 10:03 PM

You can send a song to radio, but unless they are 100% sure thats going to be a single then there is no point. The things is radio hasn't exsactly loves The Saturdays much this year, and with MHTO and OYR both being massive disasters in the charts, radio don't actualy have an indication that the public wants to hear The Saturdays so probably wouldn't even playlist the next single or if they did it would get very limited airplay.

There is only so much that can be done at this time of year, most promo slots are going to be booked up now, and most shows are doing round ups of the year so are going to want big stars. It is a shame they didn't get a christmas special on ITV this year, that would have been nice.

I think the managment (and probably The Sats) were too reliant on what The X Factor slot was going to do as a boost for the album and the single, and get bumped off of that threw their plans into disary. There just hasn't seemed to be much promo with anything this year. Everything has seemed a bit half arsed. I am not sure where the problem actualy lies.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 19 2011, 10:18 PM

The thing is with radio, if they send the single to radio's too soon they loose their maximum 'release week' potential (which is exactly what has happened to the 3 singles from On Your Radar). It would be more economical for them to release the video first (for example) followed by radio play, as they are severely lacking in the radio play department. At least that way the stations would see "Oh this is released in 3wks, better start playing this!" Instead of "Oh this is released in 6wks, it can wait a bit" because that is exactly what had happened with Notorious and All Fired Up, both peaked then started falling down the airplay chart, then re-peaking a little higher during release week. This also effected their chart run's in the Singles chart. It all has a knock-on effect. Of course then as well when radio starts to play the single 6wks before release, they're also loosing their maximum exposure and sales for the actual release week. Clear examples of this are Higher and Ego, this is why a much shorter gap between radio playing it and it actually being released would benefit them. I'm not talking about on air/on sale but on post-album singles this would be a better model for the Saturdays in particular.

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 19 2011, 09:08 PM) *
Do you think it's possible to shoot a video when most production companies are on their Christmas breaks? It's not just The Saturdays that are taking their Christmas break too you know. It's not always possible to do things in the 'spur of the moment' or plan a video the day before and shoot in the next day. It just doesn't work like that. Weeks of planning goes into a video shoot. Set, script, lighting, styling, story boarding...

Well they should have had a video shot before the Christmas breaks then. Simple. Did they honestly think My Heart Takes Over alone would keep this album selling over Christmas and into the New Year? They weren't prepared for this album flopping and it shows


Yes they did think My Heart Takes Over would keep the album selling through the Christmas and New Year period. It was their "winter warmer" as they called it. Therefore no, they weren't prepared for the album flopping (you're right there) so they probably didn't even think about the follow up single when they had the album to promote, rehearsals for the tour, the actual tour, and Frankie's illness and Una's health to keep on top of.

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 19 2011, 09:08 PM) *
Who ever says they haven't worked their assess of this year is delusional. 2 tours, 3 single campaigns, and an album to promote during a single release, tour rehearsals and the actual tour.. Frankie was hospitalized, Una's pregnant, if anything they need this 2wks off more than ever to re-gain some normality in their lives

Two VERY SHORT tours. Yes, they worked hard on rehearsals and they put on a great show at the actual dates but at the end of the day other artists have much bigger productions, much more complicated routines, much more travelling and much more dates and still seem to be more enthusiastic and hard working than the girls. Their choreography is very limited and aside from Frankie and Vanessa they never give it 100% on their dancing. 3 single campaigns? That's their job - to promote! Are we congratulating them on going on TV and doing a 3 minute performance? They were fantastic on the promo for the first two singles but the third single was a joke and they looked bored and disinterested. Frankie wasn't hospitalised until November so that's no excuse for their laziness this year.


Every artist is different, they. 're not all suited to the same campaigns and designed around the same basis that say Rihanna and Beyonce are on for example. I think a lot of people forget that The Saturdays are singers who 'can' (sort of) dance.

Congratulating them? Erm, they did the promotion, and they got on some decent shows and their usual trip round the daytime one's. What's to complain about? The timing of the promotion, yes but they promoted. They can't help if another artist has already booked a slot they wanted. They take what they can get, just like any other artist. The fact that they've slipped under the radar this year though has lead to them getting some very shoddy times though, for example the 11pm performance of My Heart Takes Over on Children In Need when in 2009 they where the opening act cause they did the charity single. How things have changed.

They may be 3 minute performances, but it takes hours of prep for that "3 minute performance". Stop making out as if everything is viable because the a tour is only a "short one" or a performance is only for "3 minutes" etc. Hours of prep go into these things to make sure they're executed correctly on the day and are up to a decent level. Which brings me onto the next thing..

Regarding your comment about them looking "bored" for the My Heart Takes Over campaign, what do you want them to do on stage? Look happy and jump for joy singing a sad ballad? At the start of the campaign they had some sort of routine but as soon as people where like "What on earth are they doing, the swapping places looks hideous, they should just use mic stands instead!" they ditched the 'routine' (swapping places) and bought in the mic stands, and then people complained they look bored! Can't win.
The whole thing was a bizarre choice of single for me anyway. Poor Mollie and Frankie didn't even get to sing anything during that campaign, even when they performed it live! It was only about half-way through the campaign when they added Una's harmony into the chorus's! I'd be pretty pissed if I was made to mime along to a backing track that wasn't even me singing it (Ina, cough) when my other band mates got harmonies at least.

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 19 2011, 09:08 PM) *
I'm not slagging them off. I'm trying to be constructive. I want the girls to be the best they can be, and I want them to get the success that their material deserves but it seems like The Sats just rely on their fanbase alone to get them success. They moan about not getting the attention they deserve but when it comes to it they treat their careers as 9-5 jobs that don't really need anything extra from the girls once they've completed their commitments.


Of course they rely on their fan base to purchase their product. What artist doesn't? They have tried this year in particular to broaden their audience by doing the whole euro/dance track thing (All Fired Up) which at first seemed like it was going to be a huge success as it attracted many more buyers, actually more than their core fan base. For example, going from opening with 70k for All Fired Up to 20-something-k for My Heart Takes Over 2 months later, where had what they achieved with All Fired Up gone? Where had those casual buyers they attracted gone? To put it simply, it tells me the people who brought All Fired Up would rather them stick to the dance sound. It has worked more for them than going down the ballad route did this year. I did disagree with them for steering outside of their sound earlier this year with 'All Fired Up' but looking back now I was wrong, it tells me that they widened their audience, and it was one of their more consistent radio friendly hits. Something that what we presumed 'My Heart Takes Over' would do even better... huh.gif

If they saw their jobs as 9-5 jobs, they wouldn't be getting up at 4am in the morning for early morning TV calls, or staying till 2am in the morning on video shoots. That's a bit of a silly remark really isn't it? What else are they going to do after they've "completed their commitments" ? Go home of course and try and find that balance of pop star / normal life. What do you want them to do after they've "finished their commitments" ? Go and busk in local shopping center's ? Again, I know if I was a pop star once I'd finished my commitments for the day I'd want to go home to my family, put the kettle on and watch Eastenders. Wouldn't you?

I feel people are always expecting too much from them, and I've been guilty of this in the past. But that isn't something that bothers me anymore because they're music is brilliant and I buy it. So they win me over.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 19 2011, 10:32 PM

2ndAdventure i've gave up responding because i've completely lost track of the discussion and you've completely twisted my points and taken them all literally.

I'm standing by my first point that The Sats ARE very lazy and stick to the bare minimum, and there is no way in hell they're going to break Europe if they're this laid back in the UK.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 19 2011, 10:54 PM

another happy day in The Saturdays Forum...

Posted by: Martyn Dec 19 2011, 11:08 PM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 19 2011, 10:54 PM) *
another happy day in The Saturdays Forum...


It makes me very sad, it is so angry in here.

Posted by: matty9694 Dec 19 2011, 11:49 PM

QUOTE(Martyn @ Dec 19 2011, 11:08 PM) *
It makes me very sad, it is so angry in here.


Same here.

Catching up on the posts gave me a slight headache too! sad.gif

Posted by: AdamAloud Dec 20 2011, 01:40 AM

Really grown to love 'Do What You Want With Me' since the tour and 'Faster'. That was the album track with the best reaction at Wembley.

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 20 2011, 03:09 AM

Lol yeah 2nd Adventure you've completely derailed and you're not going to back down whatsover when it's pretty obvious what shadow is saying and those excuses are just excuses silly. Oh no, sitting in hair and make up to prepare for a performance...so what? lol. Everyone does that too with more rigorous routines. The girls have gotten complacent, it's a fact and it's showing. People will voice their complains because it's true.

They've never gone the extra mile to show their passion for what they do. They've always done just enough and taken a break. What they did this year is nothing, sorry but they have not worked hard to the bone because they don't have a drive to be truly successful and on top of their game. Even Girls Aloud for Christ sake lol. They had major exposure YET, they're work ethic is higher than the Sats. Some of their routines on their tours are truly athletic. And their stage presence is just of a different standard. The Saturdays have a long way to go but I highly they're ever going to fulfill that road.

Yes I'm pessimistic at the moment but I'm not gonna sugarcoat the missing ingredient in The Sats success - Hunger for success and not being satisfied. Lets put it this way. If ALL five girls had Una's work ethic and passion, this discussion wouldn't exist. Frankie doesn't even utilize the bloody half million followers she has on twitter to tell them to buy the album or single. Only on the odd occasion and it's like wtf? Do you not care? Little things like that they don't even consider doing cos they reckon they've made it big time already.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 20 2011, 12:50 PM

I was just depicting what was being said... laugh.gif

This is what I mean about people expecting too much from them, and the comparisons to Girls Aloud don't help. The Saturdays are singers who can sort of dance, un-like Girls Aloud who where very much all-rounders and what they did. Again, people expect too much. I agree The Sats have a long way to go yet, but I think they're quite humble and content at the pace things are going (career wise, not sales or any of that lark). I think this because they've said that they still need to break the UK, before they go anywhere else (however even if the opportunity orrises to go over-seas then I think they'll take it regardless). They seem quite chuffed that for their 4th album they've been able to co-write it, whilst preparing for 2 tours.

I don't get what you mean when you say about their work ethic. Surely their job is for their management to organize their day, what they're performing on, rehearsals for it etc etc; The Sats turn up and do it. Are you implying that the girls need to do more things to promote themselves out-side of work, ie go and busk in shopping center's? I'm not sure what you're getting at there.

I'm not trying to insert any 'angryness' in here by the way to the people concerned. It's come off the wrong way.

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 20 2011, 01:17 PM

Nope not busking. I mentioned the tweet thing for example and how many followers and they have and how they don't utilize it at all. Even their weekly videos of the vlogs they used to do more often for longer lengths just don't exist anymore. And you shouldn't have to not expect too much from musicians lol. That's ridiculous. They should always be outdoing your expectations if they're truly driven and should be all rounders and aim to be unstoppable.

At this current state I would say Nadine is a better vocalist than Vanessa. Soo much more constant and she has great range. Sarah shouts a bit but nonetheless her and Rochelles consistancy is pretty much even though I prefer Rochelle's voice. Una is what gives the sats an edge because she's another strong vocalist whereas Nicola doesn't really match up, nor do Cheryl and Kimberly but really they're not THAT different vocally are they now? So why shouldn't the Saturdays be all round performers as well? Just another silly excuse.

They should work more on their stage presence and routines because aside from Vanessa's pre 2009/2010 ad libs (which are barely done these days) I'm sure any girl band can sing their songs and do their dance routines a lot stronger than the girls do unfortunately.

You shouldn't think as an artist "Well I'm a sort a singer and not an all rounder so I'll settle on that" wtf lol. It should be "My dancing is my weakest point, let me strengthen it"..looking at you Una (Though she tries very hard tbh). Or "My vocals need strengthening and I should shy away from going into head voice for all the chest notes I record in studio and abandon live" - Ms Frankie (denial). And Mollie's a combination of both. Sub par vocals and average dancing. There are girls out there would work a lot harder and improve themselves. The Saturdays are complacent. Like Diddy said, "There's always someone out there who's willing to take your spot".

And you should never be content with anywhere you are, always strive for more.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 20 2011, 01:30 PM

I have a hangover so I speak for everyone here

SHUT UP.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 20 2011, 01:50 PM

I think the fans need a 2 week break off from The Saturdays too. kink.gif

Posted by: IfUSeeBritney Dec 20 2011, 01:58 PM

I wonder what will happen now the tour is over. Album barely makes 40k this week sad.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 20 2011, 02:29 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 20 2011, 01:30 PM) *
I have a hangover so I speak for everyone here

SHUT UP.


mellow.gif there's nothing wrong with having a debate.

QUOTE(Jaynote @ Dec 20 2011, 01:17 PM) *
Nope not busking. I mentioned the tweet thing for example and how many followers and they have and how they don't utilize it at all. Even their weekly videos of the vlogs they used to do more often for longer lengths just don't exist anymore. And you shouldn't have to not expect too much from musicians lol. That's ridiculous. They should always be outdoing your expectations if they're truly driven and should be all rounders and aim to be unstoppable.

At this current state I would say Nadine is a better vocalist than Vanessa. Soo much more constant and she has great range. Sarah shouts a bit but nonetheless her and Rochelles consistancy is pretty much even though I prefer Rochelle's voice. Una is what gives the sats an edge because she's another strong vocalist whereas Nicola doesn't really match up, nor do Cheryl and Kimberly but really they're not THAT different vocally are they now? So why shouldn't the Saturdays be all round performers as well? Just another silly excuse.

They should work more on their stage presence and routines because aside from Vanessa's pre 2009/2010 ad libs (which are barely done these days) I'm sure any girl band can sing their songs and do their dance routines a lot stronger than the girls do unfortunately.

You shouldn't think as an artist "Well I'm a sort a singer and not an all rounder so I'll settle on that" wtf lol. It should be "My dancing is my weakest point, let me strengthen it"..looking at you Una (Though she tries very hard tbh). Or "My vocals need strengthening and I should shy away from going into head voice for all the chest notes I record in studio and abandon live" - Ms Frankie (denial). And Mollie's a combination of both. Sub par vocals and average dancing. There are girls out there would work a lot harder and improve themselves. The Saturdays are complacent. Like Diddy said, "There's always someone out there who's willing to take your spot".

And you should never be content with anywhere you are, always strive for more.


I see your point better now. What you're saying though is a brilliant theory, and what they should be like, but everyone's different. None of us have lived a day in their shoes (or have we?).

I think their stage presence in general on the All Fired Up tour has been really good. Every tour has a script to follow, but there have been moments too where they've improvised (for example last night when the fan through the boxer shorts on stage saying "Una kiss my bum" and they made a joke out of that. When Rochelle announced Una's engagement and they had an emotional moment. It just shows you that these girls aren't completely controlled and devoid of sentiment. Not that you've said that, I'm just giving it my perspective)

The comparisons with Girls Aloud are a bit dull if I'm honest. You're saying that because they share similar vocal talents they should be "all round performers" too? That's what I'm reading here. huh.gif Girls Aloud are a great package I agree, they really do get an A+ for their tours because although both groups are vocally similar (like you said), Girls Aloud have always been better at the dancing and with their audience interaction. It's all about personal taste though at the end of the day, I'd rather go and see Girls Aloud concert but musically I prefer The Saturdays.

They're not trained dancers (apart from Frankie I think?) so it's not something that comes naturally to them, it's not just a case of working more harder at it. I've found that they've learnt to sync more with each other over time. If you look at one of their routines from the very start of their career to now, they may be a little more complex but at least they're getting the grasp of being in sync with each other more than they where before. It's not something that comes over night to anyone, everyone has a different learning pace. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes it takes a few lessons. I'm not making excuses but quite a rational explanation from my experience.

I agree about their flips though, they're too scripted now and they where brilliant how they used to be. Too short as well like you said. They used to hammer Twitter to death promoting their music but then started getting labeled as Twitter whores (The Missing You campaign - shudder). I agree they're quite replaceable but overall they produce some brilliant pop music. smile.gif

Posted by: missingyou Dec 20 2011, 02:56 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Dec 20 2011, 01:50 PM) *
I think the fans need a 2 week break off from The Saturdays too. kink.gif



So true...

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 20 2011, 03:56 PM

It's giving me a headache..

At least the management have done something sensibile! All Fired Up reduced to 59p! Looks like it might make 200,000 after all!

Posted by: Martyn Dec 20 2011, 03:58 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 20 2011, 03:56 PM) *
It's giving me a headache..

At least the management have done something sensibile! All Fired Up reduced to 59p! Looks like it might make 200,000 after all!


They really should do it with MHTO on Sunday so that as the christmas songs drop out it has a chance of climbing back up and selling some more copies tongue.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 20 2011, 04:00 PM

I agree, it would have been much better for My Heart Takes Over to be 59p, Lets hope All Fired Up re-enters the top 100 and helps the album sell a little bit more.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 20 2011, 04:00 PM

That's a good move. Better late than never, but like Martyn just said, they should capitalize on the reductions now because it will be even better when the Christmas music starts falling.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 20 2011, 04:12 PM

I think All Fired up could get wealthy sales next week with it being 59p and it was always going to get a decent sales anyway with the iTunes boost. Although My Heart Takes Over could have reached 100,000 possibly with a reduction!

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 20 2011, 06:26 PM

To the people complaining just don't read the posts lol. Simple?@

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 20 2011, 02:29 PM) *
The comparisons with Girls Aloud are a bit dull if I'm honest. You're saying that because they share similar vocal talents they should be "all round performers" too? That's what I'm reading here. huh.gif Girls Aloud are a great package I agree, they really do get an A+ for their tours because although both groups are vocally similar (like you said), Girls Aloud have always been better at the dancing and with their audience interaction. It's all about personal taste though at the end of the day, I'd rather go and see Girls Aloud concert but musically I prefer The Saturdays.

They're not trained dancers (apart from Frankie I think?) so it's not something that comes naturally to them, it's not just a case of working more harder at it. I've found that they've learnt to sync more with each other over time. If you look at one of their routines from the very start of their career to now, they may be a little more complex but at least they're getting the grasp of being in sync with each other more than they where before. It's not something that comes over night to anyone, everyone has a different learning pace. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes it takes a few lessons. I'm not making excuses but quite a rational explanation from my experience.


Lol you've agreed with me on the girls aloud thing yet called the comparison dull even though it does make complete sense. It's a fair comparison and they should take note because you've even said you'd rather go to a GA concert. I haven't denied the Sats of great music, I prefer theirs too. Nothing to do with the discussion. They have become stronger dancers over time, since Missing You they're standard of performing grew but since All Fired Up. It's gone downhill again. Such dry and repetitive choreography.

Anyway yeah sometimes it could take years but somethings they could be doing now, they don't. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what will happen.

Posted by: Martyn Dec 20 2011, 06:33 PM

QUOTE(Jaynote @ Dec 20 2011, 06:26 PM) *
To the people complaining just don't read the posts lol. Simple?@


Not being funny but how will you know something someones said is going to annoy you before you've read it...

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 20 2011, 06:45 PM

QUOTE(Jaynote @ Dec 20 2011, 06:26 PM) *
To the people complaining just don't read the posts lol. Simple?@
Lol you've agreed with me on the girls aloud thing yet called the comparison dull even though it does make complete sense. It's a fair comparison and they should take note because you've even said you'd rather go to a GA concert. I haven't denied the Sats of great music, I prefer theirs too. Nothing to do with the discussion. They have become stronger dancers over time, since Missing You they're standard of performing grew but since All Fired Up. It's gone downhill again. Such dry and repetitive choreography.

Anyway yeah sometimes it could take years but somethings they could be doing now, they don't. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what will happen.


What I meant was, you said that they have similar vocal talents and suggested they should be at the same level when performing. You where basing The Saturdays round Girls Aloud, saying that The Saturdays should be better performers because they share similar vocal talent to Girls Aloud. I didn't see why the singing should be the deciding factor in being an 'all rounder'. Because obviously there's more to it. I disagreed with that statement.

It just so happens that The Saturdays aren't as good performers as Girls Aloud. I agree with that. At a Girls Aloud tour I loved how there was so much energy, not just in their routines but in their personalities as well. The Saturdays do lack in that department but it doesn't bother me to the level of me not wanting to see one of their concerts. The Sats have always had difficulty with their choreography, not just that they couldn't do it, but it's always felt like the wrong type of choreography. At the end of the day they're too very different groups. I think The Saturdays have the advantage of better vocalists and voices in their group (despite Vanessas voice problem - which actually has been behaving itself on tour; She's sounded brilliant!), whereas Girls Aloud are better dancers.

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 20 2011, 07:08 PM

Because we're obviously typing loads and the debate is going backwards and forwards Martyn. More to do with the quantity of words is clearly giving people this monstrous 'headache' lol. Rather than the content.

And once again 2nd Adventure you had mis understood my point lol. Them being on a similar level to Girls Aloud doesn't mean that they should automatically be better performers, no. That isn't what I said. I had said that since they're vocals are not on such a different standard to Girls Aloud (especially these days) they can't afford to slack as it's not really an excuse to explain why they should be classified as "girls that can sing but can sort of dance" when Girls Aloud are in the same category pretty much vocally yet outperform them. That's my point.

If you disagree it's fine. The girls career has ended anyway muahaha. Lol joking. All this is pointless cos they're not gonna change so we'll just agree to disagree cos I can't be bothered.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 20 2011, 08:18 PM

Anyone seen this week's flip? Mollie's so funny. She talks us through how they auditioned the dancers. "Frankie made them take their tops off... so we did the same for them later.. I'M LAUGHING AT MY OWN JOKE" laugh.gif

QUOTE(Jaynote @ Dec 20 2011, 07:08 PM) *
All this is pointless cos they're not gonna change so we'll just agree to disagree cos I can't be bothered.


Here here laugh.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 20 2011, 11:19 PM

At the end of the day any discussion made is because we all love The Sats and want them to do well.

GO TEAM SATS! smile.gif

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 21 2011, 12:14 AM

they are pretty big in my country, on radios, internet and clubs. i can't believe how they flopped, i thought this era is going to be huge. sad.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 21 2011, 12:30 AM

In better news, they have filmed a documentary for America so at least it shows that they are going to attempt to release some music.



Rochelle says " We've been busy travelling back to LA doing a documentary"

I don't care if they flop in the Usa at least they are giving it a go!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 21 2011, 01:11 AM

They haven't been to LA to "do a documentary". Where have they had the time (oh God did I just say that out loud?) to go back and forth to LA over the past 6 months to record a documentary?!

Rochelle said "It's our second tour, we've been back and forth to LA, done a documentary" referring to What Goes On Tour.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 21 2011, 01:13 AM

End of the day, It's good news that they could get a USA deal it will only help them and mean they will release and work with better producers (Dr Luke etc)

Posted by: Jaynote Dec 21 2011, 02:42 AM

Loool what a difference a comma makes aye. She definitely meant it as it's own statement. Not joined

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 21 2011, 02:53 AM

Yeh, she's said roughly the same thing at all dates I think. Was clear at the Birmingham date she was referring to an old one.

Posted by: Jack_Budgies_500 Dec 21 2011, 12:07 PM

if they didnt have such a bad 3rd single they might have not flopped that song was awful puke.gif

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 21 2011, 03:28 PM

^^^ agree

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 21 2011, 04:35 PM

Why are most people all of a sudden hating on 'My Heart Takes Over'? I still think it was the perfect choice as the third single/winter single. It was all down to them NOT promoting the album/single ENOUGH, that it didn't become the hit it truly deserved to be. They should have tried harder if they wanted to get another hit from it.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 21 2011, 04:38 PM

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Dec 21 2011, 04:35 PM) *
Why are most people all of a sudden hating on 'My Heart Takes Over'? I still think it was the perfect choice as the third single/winter single. It was all down to them NOT promoting the album/single ENOUGH, that it didn't become the hit it truly deserved to be. They should have tried harder if they wanted to get another hit from it.


I agree. Although I prefer Last Call had MHTO been a hit along with OYR everyone would be saying " amazing choice " etc..

Posted by: Liаm Dec 21 2011, 04:40 PM

Loads of people just want SOMETHING to pick at I think, even if the claims are unfounded. It's not MHTO's fault that the era didn't go as well as it should...

Posted by: aprilj-ingle Dec 21 2011, 04:45 PM

The problem was they should have launched the album of AFU in September. Then released My Heart Takes Over as the ballad which keeps sales going in the lead up to Christmas.

Posted by: mr. everything Dec 21 2011, 09:20 PM

i don't like it beacuse it's basic r'n'b ballad, and only v and r sing in it...

and i first listened it after too lost in you, everything after that song is shit

but ballad was good choice, but not this weak song

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 21 2011, 11:06 PM

I love MHTO as a SONG, but not as a SINGLE if that makes sense. It's a very good track on the album and it's quite a touching ballad, but it was a dreadful choice to promote the album, imo. It's very depressing and a bit generic, and it's completely dominated by only two members when actually the album is very upbeat and all members have a decent share of the vocals.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 21 2011, 11:13 PM

One of the major things that was wrong with the choice of single is that they went from a club raver (All Fired Up) to then what sounded like a damp squib (My Heart Takes Over). Too much of a drastic change in sound from them yet again. This could be proved by the fact they went from opening sales of 70k with All Fired Up to just over 20k a month and a bit later with My Heart Takes Over. People want a hi-energy Saturdays, and I think it works better that way personally.

Not only the sudden change in sound again, but like Shadow had just said, there's only 2 prominent singers in the single, which is hardly a recognizable Saturdays format nowadys. The vocals have always been pretty shared out, apart from their earlier material. They've tried too hard to re-create an 'Chasing Lights' situation, It feels like.

People may complain "they didn't promote enough" but as usual I disagree. No matter how much promotion they had, it wouldn't have made radio play them any more than they did. Their major problem has been getting radio support, and it's down to that unfortunately. Capital are still playing All Fired Up to this day.

Posted by: Arrs Dec 22 2011, 11:57 AM

I also don't think there's anything wrong with releasing 'My Heart Takes Over'. People didn't like the song - but you couldn't predict it. And it's also obvious that people don't want to buy a Saturdays album but they are ready to invest in some singles if they're good enough.

And I also don't think that the promotion is also to blame. They did just enough, and remember - there is and has always been a shitload of songs in the top-20/40 without ANY major promotion bar minor airplay, but it doesn't stop them being big. On the other hand, you can promote your ass out and still flop (see Sugababes - 'Girls' / 'C&S' ).

If they are flopping with this album then I don't know if there's any sense of continuing really. They should release a GH compilation and see how well it will do. They already have 12 singles, most probably will have another one from this album. They can record 2-3 more songs and pack it into the singles collection. I think their GH might go platinum.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 22 2011, 12:23 PM

Rochelle said in some interview that they plan to be back in the studio in March to work on the next album. Oh my! drama.gif

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 22 2011, 04:17 PM

I guess they have at least one more album left in their contracts.

Posted by: Liаm Dec 22 2011, 04:24 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 21 2011, 11:06 PM) *
I love MHTO as a SONG, but not as a SINGLE if that makes sense. It's a very good track on the album and it's quite a touching ballad, but it was a dreadful choice to promote the album, imo. It's very depressing and a bit generic, and it's completely dominated by only two members when actually the album is very upbeat and all members have a decent share of the vocals.

Totally agreed. It'd be much better if left as an album track - I can see where they were going with wanting a ballad to sell the album but they would've got better sales out of releasing Faster or (much as it's not a fave of mine) The Way You Watch Me.

Posted by: Encore Dec 22 2011, 05:42 PM

Recording in March onwards? So that means another album suffering in the end of year albums rush then....?!! Argh. So frustrating supporting these girls!!!

If - and by some miracle - they actually do record a new album, they should go back to the colours theme, kinda like the AFU single artwork and ditch the whole 'sexy mature' thing. I think I'd quite like an Xenomania produced album - just pure pop with a mix of uptempos and midtempos/electropop ballads (the more ballad-y tracks kinda in the vein of Call The Shots/The Loving Kind/Untouchable etc)... nothing too dancey like AFU or Get Ready Get Set. But then again, the traditional 'Sats sound' tracks are produced/written by Steve and Ina so... I don't know but I want them to work more with Xenomania personally. blush.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 22 2011, 05:49 PM

"when they record this next album hopefully they...."

We seem to be saying this alot, don't we? laugh.gif

I hope this doesn't mean they're ditching a fourth single! This era can still be saved!

Posted by: missingyou Dec 22 2011, 10:29 PM

I purchased the 2012 official annual in a £1 shop today...

Lovely 'whats next' section saying another single from OYR then hit the studio and work with some new producers...

Posted by: Marina Hurts Dec 23 2011, 10:28 AM

They must really like recording, because that's 80% of what they do.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 23 2011, 10:34 AM

they have their first live date of 2012 confirmed, perhaps they will perform the next single...

QUOTE
Get ready for The Saturdays first LIVE date of 2012! The girls are getting set to perform at a special fundraising concert to celebrate the 15th anniversary of Tickled Pink, the Breast Cancer charity. They join Alexandra Burke, Chipmunk and Dionne Bromfield for this fantastic evening of music and entertainment at London’s Shepherd’s Bush Empire on 12th January. Grab your tickets NOW!

Source: The Saturdays Facebook, 23 December 2011.

Posted by: vivek Dec 25 2011, 07:19 PM

On YOu Radar Is OUT of the Top 100! sad.gif Does anyone know where it has charted this week in the Top 200?

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 26 2011, 11:31 AM

That most likely won't be known until Thursday smile.gif

Posted by: kimkamkim Dec 26 2011, 11:56 AM

IDK if anyones mentioned this but I heard 'Faster' played on Alan Carrs Radio 2 show on Christmas Eve (it's around the 48 min mark JSYK) Maybe it still is the 4th single?

Posted by: Scherz Dec 26 2011, 12:19 PM

I honestly hope they do release it as the next single, it should have been the third IMO.
The difference in production when compared to 'MHTO' is laughable. 'Faster' has real quality production.

Posted by: Neil Dec 26 2011, 12:36 PM

I would love for "Faster" to be a single but honestly I'm worried that a 4th single would completely flop and not even make top 20, which would probably be detrimental to them.

Posted by: vivek Dec 26 2011, 02:17 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Dec 26 2011, 11:31 AM) *
That most likely won't be known until Thursday smile.gif


The Album has rised in the amazon chart.
Last week #143
Today #110
Maybe it will crack the top 100 again smile.gif

HMV:
Last Week #233
This week: #132

Posted by: vivek Dec 26 2011, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(kimkamkim @ Dec 26 2011, 11:56 AM) *
IDK if anyones mentioned this but I heard 'Faster' played on Alan Carrs Radio 2 show on Christmas Eve (it's around the 48 min mark JSYK) Maybe it still is the 4th single?


Its Still going to be a Single but apparently it has been pushed aside for the release of TWYWM

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 26 2011, 07:18 PM

QUOTE(Neil @ Dec 26 2011, 12:36 PM) *
I would love for "Faster" to be a single but honestly I'm worried that a 4th single would completely flop and not even make top 20, which would probably be detrimental to them.


They've never been a Girls Aloud where "every single MUST make the Top 10" sort of thing. They (thankfully) blew that with Work. I'm not saying that they have never been like "GET WORK TO #1" because, let's face it, they've been there. In those words actually!

I don't think another single could resurrect the album as well as Issues did with Chasing Lights; But at the same time, look at what another single did for Chasing Lights, and Headlines. There's a certain confidence that there's a chance the album would stabilize I'd say.

I've seen this said a lot on forums that because 'The Way You Watch Me' is sort of confirmed for the next single, that it will be a guaranteed radio smash because "It has Travie in it". I've always been under the impression that radio have never gone near him? huh.gif

Faster is the safest track that they could go with right now. It's very reminiscent of 'Up', 'Ego' and it ties in nicely with their new-found dance sound.

Posted by: Liаm Dec 26 2011, 07:37 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 26 2011, 07:18 PM) *
I've seen this said a lot on forums that because 'The Way You Watch Me' is sort of confirmed for the next single, that it will be a guaranteed radio smash because "It has Travie in it". I've always been under the impression that radio have never gone near him? huh.gif

Exactly!

He's had one hit with Billionaire in his solo career, and arguably that was largely because it was just as Bruno Mars blew up but he had no solo singles out. The 2nd solo single he did absolutely TANKED, number 193 or something laugh.gif Even if you count him with Gym Class Heroes, they've had 4 'hits' (Cupid's Chokehold, Clothes Off, Cookie Jar and Stereo Hearts, which arguably was largely because of Adam Levine) and that's really it.

He certainly isn't a cert to save the entire album of a struggling girlgroup just by having a featured rap.

Posted by: seanopop Dec 27 2011, 09:04 PM

As a fan of the sats who has the album I have to say that The way you watch me was by far my least favourite track, buuut it has grown on me A LOT, but they don't need a single that 'grows on' people, they need a single that is instantly catchy and people remember (á la Faster or Get Ready Get Set or even White Lies) especially considering this track needs to appeal to more casual listeners rather than fans who already have it on the album. I desperately want them to do well and salvage this era, but it doesn't seem likely to me ;( (on a brighter note I have a great tendency to be completely wrong with my instincts about impending success/failure)

Seano.

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 27 2011, 09:53 PM

I am still annoyed they are only releasing one more single and moving on the next album? Why on earth are they doing this? It's obvious we're going to see their new single in August time, ala Missing You.

The thing is On Your Radar could still do well if it's promoted well! It's their own fault/management as On Your Radar/Tour could have did so much better with promotion, although saying that they did well considering people wouldn't go to see the same artists twice in the space of 10 months.

Posted by: seanopop Dec 27 2011, 10:04 PM

I think the whole 'winter chart battles & pregnancy & secret illness & arena tour & album & single' was just far too much for them to do all the necessary promotion for successes - but I totally agree that this is salvageable. Release The Way You Watch Me (with low expectations) and get it out of the way for one more single from this era. At least make it worth it before releasing the inevitable summer single that will lead to a new tour/album *hopefully not at xmas and not at the same time as each other!*

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 27 2011, 10:18 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Dec 27 2011, 09:53 PM) *
I am still annoyed they are only releasing one more single and moving on the next album? Why on earth are they doing this? It's obvious we're going to see their new single in August time, ala Missing You.

The thing is On Your Radar could still do well if it's promoted well! It's their own fault/management as On Your Radar/Tour could have did so much better with promotion, although saying that they did well considering people wouldn't go to see the same artists twice in the space of 10 months.


We don't even know for sure if there's going to be another single or not. I'd like to think there is (infact I really want there to be a 4th single) but right now, it could be 'released' as late as February.

Promotion will do nothing for On Your Radar now. Especially now the Christmas market has come to an end. The album will only start selling again when they inject some interest back into them by releasing another single.

I don't know who's fault it is, but the last 2/3 months I imagine have been mental for them. Una pregnant and Frankie hospitalized; Juggle that with the promotional round they did with My Heart Takes Over, tour rehersals and the actual tour.

Posted by: muzicmaster15 Dec 27 2011, 10:57 PM

I actually have to commend them for doing all aforementioned, especially Una, which must have been tiring due to her pregnancy.

This is the one time, I think they actually do deserve a break. i imagine they have worked flat out for a few weeks, probably tour rehearsals in the day and then promotion in the evening (Children in Need for example)

Posted by: seanopop Dec 27 2011, 11:03 PM

Oh I definitely agree they deserve a break! Especially Frankie and Una who have obviously been going at 100mph despite illness/pregnancy! However I also want them to do something (<- read anything) to get the On Your Radar sales up to at least half of what they deserve to be. Especially considering All Fired Up was close to the top-50 and Notorious in the top-200 year end charts! one more awesome single could really help, then they can have a nice break before the fifth album biggrin.gif

Posted by: vivek Dec 28 2011, 04:16 PM

The Chart Position On Your Radar fell to this week fustrates me!
From #85 Last week, They Fell to #101 on Sunday!

Posted by: Steven. Dec 28 2011, 04:24 PM

Does anyone remember when HMV posted the On Your Radar tracklisting before the official website did? They had White Lies as track 05 and Get Ready, Get Set as track 11. Makes me think that that was the original tracklisting. But because Get Ready Get Set was so 'new' to the girls as it was the last to be recorded for the album, it somewhat 'replaced' White Lies on the album and on tour, because they had White Lies since April and were probably bored of it. White Lies could be the song to save this album, I don't see it happening now because of it being shunned from the tour and the fact that it's very Una heavy. The latter is also why I think Get Ready Get Set won't in hell be the next single. I see them going for Faster, tbh. Which is still a great move!

Just a theory btw, idk. If that is the case, It angers me LOL! I stan for White Lies and I'm still bitter over it's exclusion from the tour, haha! tongue.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 28 2011, 05:29 PM

^^ I think It was Play.com Steven, I remember posting it laugh.gif

But yeah the tracklist that we got after that had been re-shuffled sad.gif. White Lies is never going to happen as a single for many reasons unfortunately. It's a shame because that track is 'classic' Saturdays sound. But I agree with you, Faster is the track that sticks out the most to be the next single, if there's one.

Posted by: Steven. Dec 28 2011, 05:33 PM

LMAO, well Play then! :L I was close enough, haha!

Yeah it is a pity about White Lies, guess I'll just have to get over it! sad.gif Here's hoping they do go with Faster and it turns out to be some sort of success!

Posted by: Liаm Dec 28 2011, 05:33 PM

I'd say Faster really is the only option. As I said in my post a few posts up, TWYWM isn't as much of a guaranteed safe hit as people say, Travie solo isn't really a big name. I mean if they had Nicki Minaj or someone like that then yeah but Travie isn't going to save the whole campaign... Well nor is Faster but I believe it would go top 20 and that would honestly be an achievement for them right now!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 28 2011, 05:55 PM

Yeah I agree. Does anyone think that Do What You Want With Me could have some success as a single or a 'promotional track' ? I think it's very current, more current that dance material they've done.

Posted by: seanopop Dec 28 2011, 06:19 PM

Oh dear, it really seems like the only way to partially save this era would be to release Faster. It's not happening though, at least not as the next single, I had a feeling from the start that TWYWM would be released regardless of how well/badly the album did or how much the fans liked it solely because of the Travie inclusion. Hopefully they do well enough with it to release another single - which surely must be Faster?!

As for Do What You Want With Me I think it really could do wonders as a promotional track, especially if they got the video of their MEN performance on some music channels, it's saucy and got personality. Even if it is a little risqué!

Posted by: Steven. Dec 28 2011, 06:54 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 28 2011, 05:55 PM) *
Yeah I agree. Does anyone think that Do What You Want With Me could have some success as a single or a 'promotional track' ? I think it's very current, more current that dance material they've done.


I think it would! It sounds really current and I think people would click with it. That or Promise Me would be a good 'promotional' track, especially with a tour video.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 29 2011, 01:56 AM

The thing with this group is that they hop sounds that much to stay current, always jumping on some sort of band-waggon or new trend. But who isn't? The sad thing is, if they did something on the lines of a promotional track with Do What You Want With Me next year, the whole dubstep think could be water under the bridge. It's what has happened to the dance genre too. I hope it dies a painful death next year because it's just grating now. sad.gif

QUOTE(Steven. @ Dec 28 2011, 06:54 PM) *
I think it would! It sounds really current and I think people would click with it. That or Promise Me would be a good 'promotional' track, especially with a tour video.


Yeah that one too! 'Promise Me' isn't one of my favorites off the album, but it's still not a track I skip on the album (Infact I don't skip any tracks, apart from I Say OK now I think about it). There's something about 'Promise Me' that has JLS written all over it. It sounds really JLS esque. I know some people have also noticed it as well. There's just something about that opening chorus and the melody and structure of the lead synth. wacko.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Dec 29 2011, 02:27 AM

I am still bitter Last Call was not single 3.

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 29 2011, 03:36 AM

'Do What You Want With Me' would be a fantastic single choice and they proved that they can more than do it justice without Una being there to promote it, so maybe when she has her baby break that could be the next single? I'm also a little frustrated as to why 'White Lies' was pretty much the only track left off from the tour. It's stupid and gutting. Isn't it a heavy fan favourite? (Along with 'Faster'?)

Posted by: missingyou Dec 29 2011, 11:36 AM

the most straightforward option is to release Faster, but this needs to be issued before Feb, otherwise I think it will be too late to save the album

Posted by: seanopop Dec 29 2011, 11:55 AM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 29 2011, 11:36 AM) *
the most straightforward option is to release Faster, but this needs to be issued before Feb, otherwise I think it will be too late to save the album


Well that pretty much guarantees it won't happen with their management being the way they are wink.gif I do think there's some hope for TWYWM, it's continuously growing on me to the point where it's one of my favourite tracks from the album and it's uber-radio play friendly, so it will get to grow on others too if they promote it enough.

Fingers still crossed they save the era.

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 29 2011, 12:08 PM

White Lies being dismissed was gutting, it's such a favourite of mine and clearly that's the case with many other fans too. sad.gif Oh well, forgotten album gem it is then. laugh.gif

Oops at #101, that's typical. Not that it really matters whether it was a place higher, but "not Top 100 in Christmas week" sounds bad.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 29 2011, 01:19 PM

I wonder if it could climb this week now that all the "Christmas present" effect will be gone and all the Xmas albums will surely plummet.

Posted by: seanopop Dec 29 2011, 02:40 PM

I'm wondering if the album will re-enter the top 100 this week, if they're already at 101 then there's a chance that they can climb the couple of positions they need to re-enter, especially when the sales of many christmas albums is going to plummet - and drastically. And AFU re-entering the iTunes (& hopefully UK) top 100 that could give the album the little boost! (If they had a super Twitter promo session and released a little 'what we're up to' vid on youtube and talked about the album this week that would even be enough to climb two points! I think so anyway tongue.gif

Posted by: -Jay- Dec 29 2011, 02:56 PM

There's a fair few albums in the midweek Top 40 that weren't in the Top 40 last week, so there's certainly a lot of climbers & fallers this week. It's hectic.

In fact, there's 14 climbers into the Top 40. Of these 14, 10 were in last week's Top 75. The other 4 weren't even in the Top 100 - so that's at least four albums that have leap-frogged over The Saturdays this week.

It totally depends whether The Saturdays can over-take a lot of albums that were higher than it last week... but while it may do that, it's also contending with a fair few albums climbing above it too. laugh.gif

Will be interesting to see where it charts on Sunday (if it's back in the Top 100 that is).

Posted by: seanopop Dec 29 2011, 03:36 PM

Aww. I dunno whether it will get into the top-100 on sunday if it hasn't in the midweeks. I don't get why it's flopping so badly. In ASDA/Tesco/Sainsburys it's in their pop sections being prominently promoted. Also it's in the iTunes store being displayed with other top albums in the pop section. Apart from it having a terrible, generic 'remix collection' looking cover there's no reason for such a lack of sales.

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 29 2011, 05:26 PM

QUOTE(seanopop @ Dec 29 2011, 03:36 PM) *
Aww. I dunno whether it will get into the top-100 on sunday if it hasn't in the midweeks. I don't get why it's flopping so badly. In ASDA/Tesco/Sainsburys it's in their pop sections being prominently promoted. Also it's in the iTunes store being displayed with other top albums in the pop section. Apart from it having a terrible, generic 'remix collection' looking cover there's no reason for such a lack of sales.


I think it's mostly the compitition. Most casual buyers will walk in to any store looking to spend their Xmas money on some new CD's. They see The Saturdays, but they also see Rihanna/Coldplay/Michael Buble/Ed Sheeran/One Direction/JLS/Adele/Gaga/Bruno/Jessie/Olly/Rebecca/Amy/The Wanted/David Guetta/Cher Lloyd etc, most of them are much bigger names than The Sats and again it baffles me why OYR was released during this time period. The album market was dead in the first half of the year and there were barely any releases, and The Sats would easily have had a top ten position and been able to sell over a longer period of time but they're being completely overshadowed and unfortunately don't have any singles promoting it right now. The worst thing is they haven't even ANNOUNCED the next single, which means they'll probably wait until January to announce it/film it/edit it/release it and then it by that time the album will be completely dead.

I have a feeling theyr'e just going to move on to the next era (again).

Posted by: seanopop Dec 29 2011, 06:05 PM

Psht. It sucks that this album is dead (<- 'cos it is, there's no realistic way they can fix this, not even with another headlines-style EP)

I wonder if they will learn from their mistakes this time? (or at least their management) and release at the right time, with the right promo. I am a big fan and didn't even know this album existed until it was released, which is ridiculous. They NEED to change their promo tactics!

Posted by: The47thbelmon Dec 30 2011, 12:21 PM

QUOTE(seanopop @ Dec 29 2011, 07:05 PM) *
Psht. It sucks that this album is dead (<- 'cos it is, there's no realistic way they can fix this, not even with another headlines-style EP)


Wordshaker went back into the top40 in January after falling well under #100 in December. OYR is selling more, so I don't see why they can't do the same.

Posted by: Liаm Dec 30 2011, 12:30 PM

I think Ego really helped it go back top 40 though. They haven't even announced the 4th single yet and when they do surely it'll be too late?

Posted by: Encore Dec 30 2011, 12:33 PM

Frustrating times. sad.gif

It really is one of the best pop albums this year imo, gutting to see the album not recieving the sales it deserves. No idea where they go from here. And I'll be genuinely shocked (but pleased with more new Sats music) if they do record a new album next year... said this already but I need more Xenomania tracks from them tongue.gif But more pop rooted tracks, rather than the all out dancier All Fired Up/Get Ready...

Perhaps it'd be better (and cheaper) to churn out a greatest hits, release it around end of summer so it doesn't get buried like OYR did in the Xmas rush, and see how that would do. It seemed to work for Girls Aloud. If it doesn't have a similar effect for The Sats then maybe it'd be time to call it a day :/

They've the right number of singles there for a Greatest Hits - all the singles, 2 new tracks maybe and perhaps even a B Side collection too - I want a CD of their B-Sides so badly!

And also, I guess it's an image problem that is causing the public to be hesitant and fully accepting of the girls? I like their image this era, but perhaps for the public they've grown up a bit too quickly? Maybe they can still keep the whole 'mature' and grown up style but make it a bit more colourful and brighter - like the All Fired Up single artwork. Kinda caters for everyone then, and doesn't really alienate their younger fans?

Posted by: shadow2009 Dec 30 2011, 01:37 PM

I was keen for a Greatest Hits because it worked well for Girls Aloud, but then I saw N-Dubz go to #38 with theirs (and they've had more success than The Sats) and realised The Sats would probably do just as badly. It's not like they have any big massive singles under their belt, they only have three that actually met 300K, and even that isn't amazing in todays climate.

If they're planning on doing a GH they better release it between Jan - August when sales are dead and no one is releasing. If they wait until next November to release it i'll actually cry.

That is, if they're even going to release one. I think we might just get one final album from them.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 30 2011, 05:24 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Dec 30 2011, 01:37 PM) *
I was keen for a Greatest Hits because it worked well for Girls Aloud, but then I saw N-Dubz go to #38 with theirs (and they've had more success than The Sats) and realised The Sats would probably do just as badly. It's not like they have any big massive singles under their belt, they only have three that actually met 300K, and even that isn't amazing in todays climate.

If they're planning on doing a GH they better release it between Jan - August when sales are dead and no one is releasing. If they wait until next November to release it i'll actually cry.

That is, if they're even going to release one. I think we might just get one final album from them.


Depends how you measure success. For example all I'm aware of N-Dubz success is that they've sold over 1m albums and they've done a sell out tour? Post-N-Dubz is a different matter however.

I don't really find the comparison justifiable. There's many reasons why the N-Dubz Greatest Hits album didn't do well...

a) The cover. Members photo shopped together from different photo calls - hardly says that this a 'peacefull' group worth investing in.
b) There was no promotion - unless you call Tulisa being a judge on Xfactor 'promotion'.
c) No single (that I'm aware of) to actually promote the record
d) The negative press 'they' get.

300k in 2008-2010 was an achievement. Not so much nowadays as it's quite easy to clear anywhere between 200 and 300k in a matter of weeks.

Posted by: missingyou Dec 30 2011, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Dec 30 2011, 05:24 PM) *
Depends how you measure success. For example all I'm aware of N-Dubz success is that they've sold over 1m albums and they've done a sell out tour? Post-N-Dubz is a different matter however.

I don't really find the comparison justifiable. There's many reasons why the N-Dubz Greatest Hits album didn't do well...

a) The cover. Members photo shopped together from different photo calls - hardly says that this a 'peacefull' group worth investing in.



I agree with a lot of your posts dude, but I don't think I or anybody I know considers how a group look, whether its 'peacefull' on the cover of a CD.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Dec 30 2011, 07:27 PM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Dec 30 2011, 07:22 PM) *
I don't think I or anybody I know considers how a group look, whether its 'peacefull' on the cover of a CD.


At the end of the day, if their label/management or the group themselves can't be bothered for whatever reason to actually get the group together and make a new cover instead of using random shots from different photocalls etc then they obviously weren't that bothered about the release.

It also adds fuel to the fire about the rift rumors. A cover can say a lot.

Anyway I don't see what relevance N-Dubz have in this forum so let's move on smile.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 1 2012, 07:04 PM

Failed to re-enter the top 100... Worrying times.

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 1 2012, 07:13 PM

From good news about 'All Fired Up', to this... ouch. I had hoped it had a chance of rising back into the 76-100 section at the very least. Being outside the Top 100 in this week is a disaster, the sales will be awful.

Posted by: vivek Jan 1 2012, 07:51 PM

Does anyone know where it charted this week?

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 1 2012, 09:44 PM

QUOTE(vivek @ Jan 1 2012, 07:51 PM) *
Does anyone know where it charted this week?


Jay might be able to tell us on Thursday.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 1 2012, 10:05 PM

Did anyone REALLY think this would be back in the top 100? There's absolutely nothing promoting it, shops are barely stocking it any more, it's dissapeared from all the online charts and considering it's just after Xmas and everyone would be spending their money on new albums/favourites from 2011, there was no way OYR was going to climb this week. All the albums it was ahead of last week probably jumped past it this week (Plan B, for example who re-entered the top 100 this week) as well.

The lack of single #4 news is worrying. Even if they just confirm a track, anything is better than this not knowing. sad.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 1 2012, 10:08 PM

They're hardly going to go out of their way in their holidays to anounce a fourth single are they..

Posted by: seanopop Jan 2 2012, 12:00 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 1 2012, 10:08 PM) *
They're hardly going to go out of their way in their holidays to anounce a fourth single are they..


I guess they could announce it if they had already decided without going out of their way too much! I guess this means they don't know what their next single is gonna be?

Although we all know it's gonna be the way you watch me ;-)

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 2 2012, 12:03 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 1 2012, 10:08 PM) *
They're hardly going to go out of their way in their holidays to anounce a fourth single are they..


Oh come on! rolleyes.gif It doesn't take alot of effort to let their fans know what's happening.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 2 2012, 12:08 AM

When does any fan of any artist really know what's going on? It might have not been decided, there may not even be one

Posted by: vivek Jan 2 2012, 10:09 AM

It sold 4.5 k This week! It was 2k away from being Top 85!

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 2 2012, 12:58 PM

What position was it at?

Posted by: MyDecember Jan 2 2012, 03:23 PM

Surely it's passed 60,000 now?! sad.gif

Posted by: vivek Jan 2 2012, 06:14 PM

QUOTE(MyDecember @ Jan 2 2012, 03:23 PM) *
Surely it's passed 60,000 now?! sad.gif


Its just past 50,000 at the moment cry.gif

Posted by: vivek Jan 2 2012, 06:17 PM

Vidcapper told me that it should be #101 again this week via chart chat forums. Its just an estimate as chart plus will not publish a top 200 album chart till thursday. The only thing definate is that it sold 4.5 k this week!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 2 2012, 07:09 PM

If i'm being honest, I think that 4.5k is a little too generous.. dry.gif

Posted by: vivek Jan 3 2012, 08:47 PM

Sales were still high this week, the only reason some albums went higher was because of the christmas albums dropping off! And because of that: all promos and advertisings of christmas albums were scrapped and were replaced by other album adverts!

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 5 2012, 01:12 PM

It's actually at #127 this week.

Meanwhile Headlines re-enters at #171!

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 5 2012, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Jan 5 2012, 01:12 PM) *
It's actually at #127 this week.

Meanwhile Headlines re-enters at #171!


Wow. laugh.gif You'd think the public would be buying the album that just got released six weeks ago!

#127 is bad. sad.gif Please get a single out girls!

Posted by: MyDecember Jan 5 2012, 01:54 PM

Headlines! could have passed 200,000 but it probably hasn't. smile.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 5 2012, 02:27 PM

I hope we get another doumentary out this year, it really, really helped Headlines. Wouldn't surprise me if Higher has also passed 300,000 sales.

Posted by: vivek Jan 5 2012, 09:12 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Jan 5 2012, 01:12 PM) *
It's actually at #127 this week.

Meanwhile Headlines re-enters at #171!


Well, On the bright side, it's doing better than Wordshaker!

Posted by: MusicandThat Jan 5 2012, 09:37 PM

If OYR is going to do recover than they need to realise a brilliant track with a video that gets everyone talking. Unfortunately, this is the Saturdays' management we're talking about, so a boring as f*** video with Travie McCoy is coming soon, I'll guess.

Will I never have the CGI video game themed White Lies video I so desperately crave? cry.gif

Posted by: vivek Jan 5 2012, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(MusicandThat @ Jan 5 2012, 09:37 PM) *
If OYR is going to do recover than they need to realise a brilliant track with a video that gets everyone talking. Unfortunately, this is the Saturdays' management we're talking about, so a boring as f*** video with Travie McCoy is coming soon, I'll guess.

Will I never have the CGI video game themed White Lies video I so desperately crave? cry.gif
It's wierd cause everyone I know including some people who absolutley hate the sats actually like OYR! However non of them are planning to get it!

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 5 2012, 09:52 PM

QUOTE(MusicandThat @ Jan 5 2012, 09:37 PM) *
Will I never have the CGI video game themed White Lies video I so desperately crave? cry.gif


Probably not, knowing them. They didn't even perform it on tour, that was the only down side. White Lies is an amazing song and I think with radio support and the right promotion that it could do quite well.

Faster is the most obvious single choice. They'll probably do what Kate Nash did with her song Paris on her second album. That screamed for a single release and she didn't touch it. She then got 2 singles that didn't even reach the top 200. Not that The Sats will do that badly...hopefully... tongue.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 5 2012, 09:54 PM

On Your Radar will like Wordshaker struggle to pass 100,000. What is a complete bomb, it's a worse result than Wordshaker. I can't believe they've not released a song to the radio yet, how stupid are they though? Sending a song to the radio is really not that hard?

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 5 2012, 10:10 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 5 2012, 09:54 PM) *
On Your Radar will like Wordshaker struggle to pass 100,000. What is a complete bomb, it's a worse result than Wordshaker. I can't believe they've not released a song to the radio yet, how stupid are they though? Sending a song to the radio is really not that hard?


Shame, cause I think Wordshaker and OYR are their best albums. Wordshaker wasn't helped by the fact it got taken off iTunes though. Otherwise it would stand a chance of actually getting to 100,000. tongue.gif

But yeah, they NEED to send a song to radio ASAP if they want to save this album.

If I was in charge, I'd have released it like this:

Single 1: Notorious
Single 2: All Fired Up
Single 3: Wish I Didn't Know (winter single)
--- ALBUM RELEASE ---
Single 4: Faster
Single 5: Last Call

I know a load of songs weren't recorded when Notorious and AFU were released, so that's why I've left them in place as singles as well as the album release. Faster would ideally be used to launch the album, but I feel a ballad would be better for the time of year? MHTO was just a bad choice for single IMO, however good it was.

Posted by: Ryan741 Jan 5 2012, 10:20 PM

Faster has just been played on Celeb BB biggrin.gif

Posted by: Encore Jan 5 2012, 10:34 PM

Faster is now trending on Twitter. biggrin.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 6 2012, 01:32 AM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 5 2012, 09:54 PM) *
On Your Radar will like Wordshaker struggle to pass 100,000. What is a complete bomb, it's a worse result than Wordshaker. I can't believe they've not released a song to the radio yet, how stupid are they though? Sending a song to the radio is really not that hard?


They only came back off their holidays yesterday!

On another note though, I remember when they went to send Higher to stations, the girls tweeted that they had to actually play the record to several stations in order for them to play it. I don't know if it's like that with every single.

Posted by: MyDecember Jan 6 2012, 01:45 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 6 2012, 01:32 AM) *
On another note though, I remember when they went to send Higher to stations, the girls tweeted that they had to actually play the record to several stations in order for them to play it. I don't know if it's like that with every single.


Was that not for the remix w/ Flo Rida? smile.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 6 2012, 01:45 AM

Yeah but while the girls were on their holidays their management should have sent a song to the radio, I think we will have a march release for the single now, which is too late for this campaign and the promotion will be limited due to Una being pregnant. The only thing that can save them is a performance on Dancing On Ice with decent airplay. I still have faith that they will do well. Faster, Do What You Want With Me, Get Ready Get Set, Last Call or The Way You Watch Me MUST be single 4.

The thing is I would have released Notorious and All Fired Up as single 1 and Single 2 just handled their release a bit better and promotion. My Heart Takes Over was actually a decent single choice, poor promotion and poor airplay cost them though but I would have preferred Faster or Last Call for Single 3. Piano ballads seem to do a lot better these days...

Posted by: shakilover Jan 6 2012, 10:36 AM

Does frankie even sing on the album. I've been listening to it recently, its actually grown on me but I can't seem to single her out on any tracks but the singles.

Posted by: Encore Jan 6 2012, 10:43 AM

QUOTE(shakilover @ Jan 6 2012, 10:36 AM) *
Does frankie even sing on the album. I've been listening to it recently, its actually grown on me but I can't seem to single her out on any tracks but the singles.


She sings in Faster and a few others I think, but you're right, she has a very low profile on the album.


Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 6 2012, 05:43 PM

QUOTE(shakilover @ Jan 6 2012, 10:36 AM) *
Does frankie even sing on the album. I've been listening to it recently, its actually grown on me but I can't seem to single her out on any tracks but the singles.


She's got a decent part in Faster, has about 10 seconds in All Fired Up, has about 15 seconds in Notorious, does the "party party.....without you" parts in Promise Me, has a small part in Move On U and I *think* she has a part in White Lies.

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 6 2012, 06:26 PM

QUOTE(shakilover @ Jan 6 2012, 10:36 AM) *
Does frankie even sing on the album. I've been listening to it recently, its actually grown on me but I can't seem to single her out on any tracks but the singles.


She has much less than on previous albums, but solos I can pick out:

All Fired Up (we're so close to the edge of desire)
Notorious (so baby tell me can you get it from my energy)
Faster (the chorus)
The Way You Watch Me (opening)
Do What You Want With Me (before the final chorus, she sings "My love tonight", before Mollie sings "I can't control my love tonight")
Promise Me (not sure of words, but it's the second verse)
Wish I Didn't Know (I've been busy denying)
White Lies?
Last Call (one line. Rochelle sings "And I can't hide", and Frankie sings "from this feeling")
I Say OK?
Move On U?

More than I thought. 11 out of 14 songs. Just MHTO, GRGS and For Myself not on that list.

Posted by: Aidan Jan 6 2012, 06:32 PM

QUOTE(MarthaJonesFan @ Jan 6 2012, 06:26 PM) *
She has much less than on previous albums, but solos I can pick out:

All Fired Up (we're so close to the edge of desire)
Notorious (so baby tell me can you get it from my energy)
Faster (the chorus)
The Way You Watch Me (opening)
Do What You Want With Me (before the final chorus, she sings "My love tonight", before Mollie sings "I can't control my love tonight")
Promise Me (not sure of words, but it's the second verse)
Wish I Didn't Know (I've been busy denying)
White Lies?
Last Call (one line. Rochelle sings "And I can't hide", and Frankie sings "from this feeling")
I Say OK?
Move On U?

More than I thought. 11 out of 14 songs. Just MHTO, GRGS and For Myself not on that list.

In 'White Lies', I think that she sings the first 'and I've been fighting dark demons...'. smile.gif

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 6 2012, 06:38 PM

QUOTE(Aidan @ Jan 6 2012, 06:32 PM) *
In 'White Lies', I think that she sings the first 'and I've been fighting dark demons...'. smile.gif


That's the bit. I knew she had a solo but I couldn't think which part. smile.gif

Posted by: muzicmaster15 Jan 6 2012, 11:52 PM

She sings the chorus on My Heart Takes Over
Get Ready Get Set she sings on the chorus and thats it
For Myself she sings the chorus and that's it.

That's as far as I'm aware smile.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 6 2012, 11:57 PM

QUOTE(MarthaJonesFan @ Jan 6 2012, 06:26 PM) *
She has much less than on previous albums, but solos I can pick out:

All Fired Up (we're so close to the edge of desire)
Notorious (so baby tell me can you get it from my energy)
Faster (the chorus)
The Way You Watch Me (opening)
Do What You Want With Me (before the final chorus, she sings "My love tonight", before Mollie sings "I can't control my love tonight")
Promise Me (not sure of words, but it's the second verse)
Wish I Didn't Know (I've been busy denying)
White Lies?
Last Call (one line. Rochelle sings "And I can't hide", and Frankie sings "from this feeling")
I Say OK?
Move On U?

More than I thought. 11 out of 14 songs. Just MHTO, GRGS and For Myself not on that list.


Frankie doesn't sing on DWYWWM, that's Mollie's part only. She doesn't sing on ISO either, but she sings the 'some girls they bite their tongue" part on MOU at the start.

Posted by: Steve D Jan 6 2012, 11:59 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Jan 6 2012, 11:57 PM) *
Frankie doesn't sing on DWYWWM, that's Mollie's part only. She doesn't sing on ISO either, but she sings the 'some girls they bite their tongue" part on MOU at the start.


She does sing that part on DWYWWM.

Posted by: JaRk Jan 7 2012, 12:41 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 6 2012, 01:32 AM) *
On another note though, I remember when they went to send Higher to stations, the girls tweeted that they had to actually play the record to several stations in order for them to play it. I don't know if it's like that with every single.

Every label employs somebody called a plugger to take their singles to radio stations and play them to the people who decide on the playlist and basically convince them to play that song. Radio stations don't just google the Saturdays and see if they have a single out soon/currently/on iTunes/whatever, the plugger does that part and the station makes a yes/no decision.


Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 7 2012, 01:40 PM

QUOTE(muzicmaster15 @ Jan 6 2012, 11:52 PM) *
She sings the chorus on My Heart Takes Over
Get Ready Get Set she sings on the chorus and thats it
For Myself she sings the chorus and that's it.

That's as far as I'm aware smile.gif


Well yeah, but no solos in them. tongue.gif

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Jan 6 2012, 11:57 PM) *
Frankie doesn't sing on DWYWWM, that's Mollie's part only. She doesn't sing on ISO either, but she sings the 'some girls they bite their tongue" part on MOU at the start.


She does sing that bit on DWYWWM. Listen closely. smile.gif Listening to I Say OK, she does have a solo, in the second verse.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 7 2012, 10:04 PM

On Your Radar is full of Mollie vocals imo!

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 8 2012, 02:01 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 7 2012, 10:04 PM) *
On Your Radar is full of Mollie vocals imo!


Yup, which I absolutely ADORE! The only ones she has no solos on are For Myself and MHTO. She's got a big bit in GRGS, and Wish I Didn't Know is the song she just steals.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 8 2012, 07:04 PM

Still no sign of it in this weeks chart. sad.gif

Posted by: The47thbelmon Jan 9 2012, 11:29 AM

Well, it can't be doing too bad with All Fired Up selling a fair bit these days...it's probably still over Wordshaker's weekely numbers.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 9 2012, 02:04 PM

The singles chart is absolutely dead with no new releases for weeks (Swedish House Mafia who might go top ten, and then Lana Del Rey, and that's it). Perfect time to have released a single.

Posted by: vivek Jan 9 2012, 03:44 PM

Pixie Lott is releasing as well and we don't want another repeat of what happened with All fired up! If AFU was released (when Pixie didnt have a single on the chart) with the same sales, it would've gone to number one!

Posted by: Encore Jan 9 2012, 04:20 PM

QUOTE(vivek @ Jan 9 2012, 03:44 PM) *
Pixie Lott is releasing as well and we don't wantanother epeat of what happened with All fired up! If AFU was released (when PIxie didnt have a single on the chart) with the same sales it had, it would've gone to number one!


No it wouldn't, Moves Like Jagger would have been #1 had Pixie not released that week (4th September).

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 9 2012, 04:32 PM

QUOTE(Encore @ Jan 9 2012, 04:20 PM) *
No it wouldn't, Moves Like Jagger would have been #1 had Pixie not released that week (4th September).


I disagree, had Saturdays went to number one on iTunes they would have builded on the lead.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 9 2012, 05:20 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 9 2012, 04:32 PM) *
I disagree, had Saturdays went to number one on iTunes they would have builded on the lead.


It's not dead certain though.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 9 2012, 05:43 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 9 2012, 04:32 PM) *
I disagree, had Saturdays went to number one on iTunes they would have builded on the lead.


They were #1 for about 10 minutes, and then Pixie overtook them.

Posted by: aprilj Jan 9 2012, 05:53 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Jan 9 2012, 05:43 PM) *
They were #1 for about 10 minutes, and then Pixie overtook them.


Because of her Red or Black performance, they were also likely to be #1 longer but iTunes kept freezing that day!

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 9 2012, 06:02 PM

QUOTE(aprilj @ Jan 9 2012, 05:53 PM) *
Because of her Red or Black performance, they were also likely to be #1 longer but iTunes kept freezing that day!


THIS. Itunes kept freezing because of the sales that week. Had it not been for Red Or Black I think the outcome would have been different, who knows though.

Posted by: vivek Jan 9 2012, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 9 2012, 06:02 PM) *
THIS. Itunes kept freezing because of the sales that week. Had it not been for Red Or Black I think the outcome would have been different, who knows though.


If the Sats performed on Red or Black instead of Pixie then they would have been almost certainly be number one! blink.gif cry.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 9 2012, 08:31 PM

It was just an unfortunate week to release on. You can't go blaming tv shows or other artists, because at the end of the day it's the public that buy the records, and the people who baught Pixies song off iTunes had the chance to download any other song they wanted to in the top 10 if they had seen it on the front page. They wanted to download Pixies song instead. Face facts.

Posted by: Liаm Jan 9 2012, 08:39 PM

I do kind of agree with 2ndAdventure, although we never know what could've been. I think arguably they could've done it with the 'number 1 effect' had things not frozen and Pixie had Red Or Black but we honestly need to stop making excuses. They were behind Moves Like Jagger as well so we can't just say them releasing when Pixie did is 100% to blame.

Posted by: vivek Jan 9 2012, 08:52 PM

(changing subject) tongue.gif

Just in case anyone dosen't know, The Saturdays were number 7 on Popjustice year end chart for best single with All Fired Up.

Other appearances:
Best Video: No. 10 All Fired Up
Most Ridiculous Song with a reference to a club: No. 9 Notorious
Least Contorversial Popstar: No. 9 The Sats
ACT WE SHOULD SEND TO EUROVISION IN 2012 !: No. 10 The Sats
Best Saturday (found this catagory slightly demeaning since all the girls are amazing!): Mollie - Frankie - Una - Rochelle - Vanessa (cant exactly remember! wink.gif)

So overall, not too bad! Lots of appearances!

Read more: http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5928&Itemid=9#ixzz1izpyyJmP

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 11 2012, 08:12 PM

QUOTE
TheSaturdays
It was SO much fun all being back at work together today! 2012 is going to be SUCH a big year for us Sats...we can't wait. xx


Can't help but think what they could be reffering too. "Such a big year" in what respect? After 'On Your Radar' flopped alongside with 'My Heart Takes Over', are they suggesting that they've been given another chance for another album orrrr? A tour perhaps.. even though they used the black curtains of doom orrrrr?

First thing that jumps into my mind is a Greatest Hits. Which is justifyable. They have a solid collection of singles.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 11 2012, 08:53 PM

Hopefully they leave the UK and start promoting in other countries. Maybe not the US, but DEFINITELY the likes of Australia, Germany, France, Denmark, Spain etc. They can sort of justify remaining under contract if they flop in the UK but have hits across Europe. It's very odd for any UK artist to have four albums and not one charting in other countries (besides Ireland). I mean, Tinie Tempah, Ellie Goulding, Marina and the Diamonds, Chipmunk, Example, The Wanted, One Direction, Pixie Lott, Alexandra Burke, Ed Sheeran, Olly Murs, Cher Lloyd, and Nero all have at least ONE released to have charted outside UK/Ireland (with varying degrees of success), The Saturdays don't.

They can go without Una, or they can go after her birth, whatever. All they need to do is do some gigs, get some promotion, build up a relationship with the media and send out the song to TV and radio. It's not like they need to do anything in the UK for a Greatest Hits release.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 11 2012, 10:24 PM

The problem is if they leave the UK they face that they could slip under everyone's radar and become irrelevent. They're hardly in a position I feel where they have a guarenteed demand when they come back.

Posted by: diamondtooth Jan 11 2012, 11:16 PM

As far as I can see, when the music is good enough it will travel to other countries easily. The reason the Sats have remained in the UK market only is because they have had to constantly work at shoving sub par songs down everyones throat in the hope that a few would purchase it. For a band to spend the last 4 years touring the length of the UK numerous times only to see their album limp to No.23 and be released no where else is simply not good enough.

Now if they come back with some genuinely brilliant pop songs they will easily sell in the UK and Europe without them having to worry about leaving one country in order to do a bit of promotion somewhere else.

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 11 2012, 11:25 PM

I feel like the moment for them to attempt worldwide has gone. With a baby on the way and two marriages happening... it doesn't seem like the most obvious time in their career to suddenly want to travel the world and work really hard everywhere. unsure.gif

It's similar to Girls Aloud really. Although I guess they at least had two attempts at breaking outside of UK/Ireland, even though both times seemed a bit half-arsed, lol.

Posted by: matty9694 Jan 11 2012, 11:39 PM

Didn't they release Forever is Over in Australia, and it charted at about #81 or something.

They went to South East Asia promoting and Issues charted at #2 and Up at #5 (I think) in one of the countries they went to (If I remember rightly). Was that a chart based on sales?

I think they could be successful in Asia if they did keep going every so often.

Posted by: kimkamkim Jan 12 2012, 12:01 AM

It looks like it was the first day back at work for the girls today after the Christmas break. So hopefully they are now sorting what to do next. I think they have 3 strong single possibilities in 'The Way You Watch Me', 'Faster' or 'Get Ready, Get Set' and I think they could all be great singles. In one sense that's a great position to be in to have so many single choices but in the precarious state the band are in they have to choose the right track sad.gif

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 12 2012, 12:45 AM

Ha, I'd forgotten about that. They did some promo in the Philippines. I seem to recall the chart positions they achieved there were only radio positions.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 12 2012, 01:14 AM

Okay, Single 4 needs to be announced this week. Sent to radio this week. Video in next two weeks. I have hope of a Dancing On Ice performance and hope of this campaign being saved!

Posted by: Tabloid Darling. Jan 12 2012, 03:56 AM

I loveeee For Myself.

Posted by: The47thbelmon Jan 12 2012, 04:14 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Jan 12 2012, 12:25 AM) *
I feel like the moment for them to attempt worldwide has gone.


I'm convinced that moment was the release of Higher feat. Flo Rida. It wasn't massive in the UK, but it was the perfect crossover song to send to other countries.

Posted by: Liаm Jan 12 2012, 04:45 PM

QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Jan 12 2012, 04:14 PM) *
I'm convinced that moment was the release of Higher feat. Flo Rida. It wasn't massive in the UK, but it was the perfect crossover song to send to other countries.

Agreed, and with the Flo Rida tag it could get somewhere actuallly. Much too late now though. I can think of a few European artists (Aura Dione and Marit Larsen to name 2) who have released a song a year later in territories other than their homes and had massive hits, but that was at maximum a year later. By the time they'd reached Europe or wherever, it'd probably be nigh on a year and a half. I think it's too late. And too late for them to attempt worldwide at all probably, I also agree with 2ndAdventure - we wouldn't want them to do a Natasha Bedingfield and leave us for wherever they go, then come crawling back when it goes tits up but being unwanted and irrelevant.

Posted by: aprilj Jan 12 2012, 04:46 PM

The best time to go Worldwide now would be with a Greatest Hits album. If we get it late this year in the UK and early next year Worldwide they could stand a chance.

Obviously a brand new song to lead the album in the UK and Ireland, Higher should lead the album Worldwide because as far as they are concerned it is a complete new album.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 12 2012, 04:54 PM

'Higher' is by far the best option to release worldwide. The intro naming all of the girls is at least original and helps the public "know" them a bit. It's the perfect song to be introduced with.

I don't get why they can't just send their songs to radio in other countries? Surely that's all it takes these days?

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 12 2012, 04:56 PM

On Your Radar is #155 this week.

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Jan 12 2012, 05:11 PM

They really need a new single/video out ASAP, Album already at number 155 and its just going to keep dropping! So sad because i love the album and its by far there best!

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 12 2012, 05:12 PM

QUOTE(-Jay- @ Jan 12 2012, 04:56 PM) *
On Your Radar is #155 this week.


f*** sake. sad.gif That's absolutely terrible, just think how many old albums are ahead of them!

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 12 2012, 10:01 PM

They had their first gig of 2012 tonight at the charity concert.

No Vanessa.
No single news.
Setlist was Notorious, Forever is Over, Missing You, Ego, All Fired Up, Last Call, My Heart Takes Over and Higher.

EDIT -

RT @LewisCorner: Oh no :-( RT@thebeanboy23: Guys I saw @vanessawhite! She was at the gig in costume but left in tears!

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 12 2012, 10:07 PM

She left in tears?!

Cue all the bullying accusations.

Posted by: Martyn Jan 12 2012, 10:46 PM

The other girls also didn't acknowledge Vanessa's absence on stage tonight...

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 12 2012, 10:50 PM

More rumours on Popjustice saying Frankie also looked like she'd been crying on stage and that they didn't look like they knew which version of 'Higher' they were performing.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 12:26 AM

Maybe it was just emotional for them all to to be returning? Maybe they got some bad news as well, but why on earth would Vanessa leave though? talk about being professional....

Last Call being performed wub.gif maybe this actually could be single 4!!!

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 13 2012, 12:45 AM

The Vanessa thing is quite juicy. As far as I'm aware they've always given a reason why a member isn't present on stage, prior to now.

As much as Last Call is lovely, it'd be the most idiotic decision to follow a mega-flop ballad single with another ballad.

*Please take the following comment lightly* If they were to announce they were splitting up, it'd make for a good final single, complete with a montage video - lol.

Posted by: MyDecember Jan 13 2012, 12:50 AM

Aw I wonder what's up. sad.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 01:11 AM

How stupid of them not be organised though?
Do they really take this seriously? They should know what their doing. I can't wait to find out what happend to Vanessa.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 01:04 PM

People on Popjustice are suggesting it might have something to do with her voice (i.e being advised not to sing or else being too frustrated/upset with it to sing), but I think it's probably just something personal like family/friend stuff. She seems really tough so whatever it is must be serious.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 01:11 PM



THEY WORKED THE CROWD!!

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 01:15 PM



Rochelle wub.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 01:19 PM

Kinda hilarious that Frankie and Mollie are the only two doing the choreography. laugh.gif

Posted by: Jonjo Jan 13 2012, 01:38 PM

Aw no. It must be serious if Vanessa, of all of them was to leave, crying. I always had her as one of the most passionate about the group/knowing she needs the group for a career, so will do anything to keep it together as she knows (as good as her voice is) she won't have much of a solo career. (Much like Nadine from GA) but Frankie in tears also, is baffling as to what it could be.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 01:42 PM

I hope The Saturdays release a statement regarding what happpend for their fans.
I read on popjustice that Una asked Rochelle to be her maid of honour aswell!

Posted by: Martyn Jan 13 2012, 01:47 PM

Rochelle sounds so like Vanessa in places.

Posted by: Jaynote Jan 13 2012, 03:55 PM

I think it may have to do with her weight because she was getting a bit of stick for it in some magazine my friend told. So perhaps she got here, putting a tight fighting outfit, voice wasn't great as usual and it all got too much for her, who knows.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 13 2012, 04:49 PM

That's hardly an excuse for not performing at such a key event, because she felt she was 'overweight' and her voice wasn't 'that great'. No excuse in my opinion, nor professional; Especially when you have Una who is 7 months pregnant who is up there doing her best, and Frankie who recently had a snowboarding accident.

The gig itself looks half-arsed. They came back off holiday what was it, Wednesday, Thursday? They hadn't prepared by the looks of it, the choreography was awful, and they failed to even notice that their lead single was absent.

Their vocals where brilliant though, can't fault that. Una was note perfect in those two videos. Rochelle nailed Vanessa's parts as well. Such a shame that they can be so hit and miss.

Posted by: missingyou Jan 13 2012, 04:56 PM

wow. fairplay, Rochelle sounded BETTER then Nessie anyway!!

I hope shes OK though, unless its more of a 'group' issue *cough, being dropped after the next single/being told the GH will be it, no renewal of deal*

Rochelle just made me love AFU even more, if possible!

Posted by: Liаm Jan 13 2012, 05:01 PM

Oh god, I wonder what's up? sad.gif I do hope they're all OK and it's nothing about being dropped, maybe it was just a personal issue, or a falling out?

Posted by: missingyou Jan 13 2012, 05:13 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Jan 13 2012, 05:01 PM) *
Oh god, I wonder what's up? sad.gif I do hope they're all OK and it's nothing about being dropped, maybe it was just a personal issue, or a falling out?


its weird how they havn't tweeted or anything just to nip it in the bud, and say 'Get well soon Vanessa' or something, clearly their is a problem.

I guess the pressure of OYR, the marragies, babies, illnesses and absences seems to be heading to the inevitable end of the sats sad.gif


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/rochelletweets.jpg/


Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 13 2012, 05:15 PM

If it was to do with them being dropped wouldn't they all be upset? Why was it that only one member decided to bottle it? We're talking about a group and management group who are very informative regarding if members are absent/ill. Look at that G-A-Y event they had to pull out of last minute because Vanessa and Frankie where "throwing up". No statement was issued by the girls or management which tells me that there is no justified reason for her absense. If it was something serious they would have confirmed it there and then. Now they've got all this speculation flying around, and they're not doing themselves any favours by keeping shtum.

Posted by: missingyou Jan 13 2012, 05:24 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 13 2012, 05:15 PM) *
If it was to do with them being dropped wouldn't they all be upset? Why was it that only one member decided to bottle it? We're talking about a group and management group who are very informative regarding if members are absent/ill. Look at that G-A-Y event they had to pull out of last minute because Vanessa and Frankie where "throwing up". No statement was issued by the girls or management which tells me that there is no justified reason for her absense. If it was something serious they would have confirmed it there and then. Now they've got all this speculation flying around, and they're not doing themselves any favours by keeping shtum.


Thats hardly the same thing, when she was costumed up, fine all day and then all of a sudden gone with no word.

Look at the Spice Girls on the lottery in '98, they went as far as saying Geri was ill, with Mel C doing a "get well soon Geri *wave*' at the cameras, and 3 days later Geri was officially not a Spice Girl. that took a good 3 days of denial and media speculation before either party officially stated anything.

The girls are locked into contracts to be in the saturdays, and it is not as straight forward as going on stage and saying "helllooooo London, we will sing All Fired up in a sec, but before we do Ness quit, which is why Roch is singing her parts, k!.... blow my mind"

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 05:26 PM

The Saturdays are in an awful position right now, they really can't afford to have members dropping out of gigs for no reason.

Posted by: JohnMK Jan 13 2012, 05:29 PM

I would be genuinely amazed if this isn't the beginning of the end.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 05:35 PM

Tbh, I thought they looked excellent and sounded excellent. The choreography wasn't fantastic but the girls all looked so happy and I loved that performance of higher. They actually got the crowd going and had them jumping.

Rochelle's vocals just keep getting better and better. Lead singer please. I am just loving her after that performance of All Fired Up & Notorious.



I must hear Last Call though, Rochelle will rock that so much!

I don't think it's the end for The Saturdays though. I think if they release single 4 asap it will help On Your Radar pass 120,000 with good promotion and discount. The Saturdays will get HUGE publicity in March. What's better than having a single release at the end of feburary or start of march? It just seems to be whenever their are problems that's the answer, their away to get dropped. It's not I am optimistic for them they need to try and break europe and have a dynamite lead single for the new album.

They all looked like they missed Vanessa though........

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 05:36 PM

QUOTE(JohnMK @ Jan 13 2012, 05:29 PM) *
I would be genuinely amazed if this isn't the beginning of the end.


Yeah.

Pregnant and engaged Una, engaged Rochelle, Vanessa's voice ruined, Frankie out of a clinic, second major album to bomb horribly, three years of being in the public eye and still no big hits/awards/recognition, nothing outside UK, arrival of Little Mix later in the year means they'll be battling for endorsement spots and will be compared drastically, Vanessa now having a mini breakdown and missing a gig, going round in circles with every album.....


Posted by: Liаm Jan 13 2012, 05:36 PM

QUOTE(JohnMK @ Jan 13 2012, 05:29 PM) *
I would be genuinely amazed if this isn't the beginning of the end.

This tbh sad.gif

Just now I was trying to stay optimistic but I don't see anything else. I imagine it was things like this that cracked Sugababes. Except The Sats really aren't in a position to replace members, I think they will just end.

Posted by: missingyou Jan 13 2012, 05:41 PM

despite all the drama, those three videos Lee are excellent.

Yeah the dancing is poor, but with Una heavily pregnant, staging and complicated routines would be dangerous and would look silly with Una standing still **Jo during Sclubs final performances*.

Rochelle is amazing!!!!!!!

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 05:41 PM

Wow, are you lot actually been serious? They still have a lot planned for this year and Una will only miss 1month Max tbh. Their not getting a lot of days off this year as this is apparently "their biggest year yet" especially regarding Europe and America.

They are away to start getting their much needed publicity IMO.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 05:43 PM



wub.gif

I really think their vocals are fantastic last night and they actually look happy and buzzing.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 05:45 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 13 2012, 05:41 PM) *
Wow, are you lot actually been serious? They still have a lot planned for this year and Una will only miss 1month Max tbh. Their not getting a lot of days off this year as this is apparently "their biggest year yet" especially regarding Europe and America.

They are away to start getting their much needed publicity IMO.


Maybe. I think it's just natural to be depressed when you're a Saturdays fan these days. laugh.gif

I doubt Una will only miss one month, though. And they really DO need to get moving and start releasing in Europe. If they dissapear for six months and do f*** all before their inevitable Greatest Hits release i'll strangle them.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 05:47 PM

QUOTE(shadow2009 @ Jan 13 2012, 05:45 PM) *
Maybe. I think it's just natural to be depressed when you're a Saturdays fan these days. laugh.gif

I doubt Una will only miss one month, though. And they really DO need to get moving and start releasing in Europe. If they dissapear for six months and do f*** all before their inevitable Greatest Hits release i'll strangle them.


Yeah, If they release a single to the radio in the next 2 weeks and remain in the public eye I think they will be alright. I just think with The pregnancy coming up, weddings coming up it's going to get them publicity and that's the main thing. I do agree they need to release in Europe, I just wish they had a better management. Lets hope they release in time for a much needed Dancing On Ice Performance.

Posted by: Regina Jan 13 2012, 06:07 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 13 2012, 05:41 PM) *
Wow, are you lot actually been serious? They still have a lot planned for this year and Una will only miss 1month Max tbh. Their not getting a lot of days off this year as this is apparently "their biggest year yet" especially regarding Europe and America.

They are away to start getting their much needed publicity IMO.


A month? You serious? She will want more than a month with her baby laugh.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 06:13 PM

QUOTE(Regina @ Jan 13 2012, 06:07 PM) *
A month? You serious? She will want more than a month with her baby laugh.gif


I mean, she will return to work after a month but not do a lot, but she will most likely contribute towards The Saturdays. Not promoting everywhere maybe doing some interviews etc.

I Think The Marvin & Rochelle wedding will be all over newspapers & magazines.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 06:15 PM

Yeah, if they wanted, they could probably have the celebrity wedding of the year. The UK are obsessed with celebs getting married/having kids and there's always lots of coverage in the magazines, I think it would really help the public "know" the girls more (obviously just Rochelle and Una, though).

Posted by: Jaynote Jan 13 2012, 06:35 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 13 2012, 04:49 PM) *
That's hardly an excuse for not performing at such a key event, because she felt she was 'overweight' and her voice wasn't 'that great'. No excuse in my opinion, nor professional; Especially when you have Una who is 7 months pregnant who is up there doing her best, and Frankie who recently had a snowboarding accident.


I don't really give two dogs about excuses either, I already don't respect the girls' work ethic as an entity anyway. I was just merely guessing that may have been the problem, in no way am I playing a violin for her and saying it's okay. She needs to fix up cos at the end of the day maybe the girls told her she's getting that way because of her own actions. Perhaps there's more going on in her life that's making her put on weight so who knows.

Posted by: aprilj Jan 13 2012, 06:50 PM

I think they need to sort themselves out. It just seems to be drama after drama. I think they should release a 4th single ASAP, preferably in the next month before Una gives birth. Then they need to take a long break to get the weddings and baby stuff out the way. Also give some time for Vanessa to sort herself out. Then return towards the end of the year with a Greatest Hits album (similar to Girls Aloud). Then take a year out to write some good material and make sure everything is perfect. Finally return with everything ironed out in January 2014 (when competition is lower) and slay with their fifth album.

Posted by: Neil Jan 13 2012, 06:59 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 13 2012, 05:41 PM) *
Una will only miss 1month Max tbh.


Lol, sure...

Watching the videos now, sounds like they're using autotune again :/ Una especially just sounds so robotic in parts! Her adlibs in Higher especially sounded painful.

To me, it seems like they were prepared to perform as a four piece so I don't know if I believe Vanessa was their and ran off crying. It is however very strange they haven't acknowledged it... I find myself saying this so frequently (but it's true) - these girls always seem to be a member down. So unprofessional. Rochelle seems to be the only one who isn't frequently ill!

Posted by: Regina Jan 13 2012, 07:03 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 13 2012, 06:13 PM) *
I mean, she will return to work after a month but not do a lot, but she will most likely contribute towards The Saturdays. Not promoting everywhere maybe doing some interviews etc.

I Think The Marvin & Rochelle wedding will be all over newspapers & magazines.


She will most likely want more than one month off work to bond with her child, i.e, not doing anything.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 13 2012, 07:15 PM

I agree it seemed they were prepared to perform as a four piece. Their positioning and vocal sharing was pretty spot on for a group who just lost a member randomly before they went on stage.

And to whoever said they'll slay with their fifth album, i'd love to believe that but i've been waiting on them smashing the charts ever since I became a fan in summer 2009. It's just the same pattern supporting these girls. Waiting half the year on news, first single underperforming, album underperforming, no news on the next single, then another break and repeat. The only difference with the OYR era is that we had three singles underperforming.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 13 2012, 07:15 PM

Maternity 'leave' is well over 2 months isn't it?

That performance of Just Can't Get Enough was brilliant, so energetic as well! In no way am I complaining about this, but isn't it odd how the girls are more enthusiastic on stage on the day Vanessa 'does a runner' laugh.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 13 2012, 08:02 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 13 2012, 07:15 PM) *
Maternity 'leave' is well over 2 months isn't it?

That performance of Just Can't Get Enough was brilliant, so energetic as well! In no way am I complaining about this, but isn't it odd how the girls are more enthusiastic on stage on the day Vanessa 'does a runner' laugh.gif


I think that's the best/enthusiastic performance of Just Can't Get Enough imo.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 13 2012, 09:31 PM

Aparently a spokesperson told Heat World that she was "sick". If she was 'sick' then why didn't the girls say so on the night? Seems very odd to me.

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 13 2012, 09:35 PM

On All Fired Up, at the beginning, Rochelle covered Vanessa's parts, yet the light was still focused in the middle whilst Rochelle was in the dark at the back. Surely they'd change this if there was more notice?

Posted by: Martyn Jan 13 2012, 10:11 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 13 2012, 04:49 PM) *
The gig itself looks half-arsed. They came back off holiday what was it, Wednesday, Thursday? They hadn't prepared by the looks of it, the choreography was awful, and they failed to even notice that their lead single was absent.


They did do their lead single, they did Notorious which was the lead single of the OYR era, they probably didn't bother with My Heart Takes Over as other than Last Call it looks like they were trying to do their big recent singles. It was a charity gig as well so they would want to do songs which are popular/known with the general public. Which is why I thought they would do Forever Is Over


QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 13 2012, 05:35 PM) *
I don't think it's the end for The Saturdays though. I think if they release single 4 asap it will help On Your Radar pass 120,000 with good promotion and discount. The Saturdays will get HUGE publicity in March. What's better than having a single release at the end of feburary or start of march? It just seems to be whenever their are problems that's the answer, their away to get dropped. It's not I am optimistic for them they need to try and break europe and have a dynamite lead single for the new album.


You say they need to release at the start of January and if they release it in February or March it will be a disaster. Now you're saying they need to release either at the end of February or start of March. Also do you expect a fourth single to sell just under twice as many albums than have already sold (around 48k), I don't see a fourth single getting the album to shift another 72k.

Posted by: missingyou Jan 13 2012, 11:07 PM

Did they do Forever Is Over? I'd love to here Rochelle singing all of Vanessa's parts..

Posted by: Martyn Jan 13 2012, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(missingyou @ Jan 13 2012, 11:07 PM) *
Did they do Forever Is Over? I'd love to here Rochelle singing all of Vanessa's parts..


Nah they didn't sad.gif

Posted by: missingyou Jan 14 2012, 09:30 AM

QUOTE(Martyn @ Jan 13 2012, 11:39 PM) *
Nah they didn't sad.gif


oh poo.

seems theres a lot of fans tweeting the girls/band to ask whats going on... no response though obviously.

alot of people on DS forum are saying shes left, and that the band will be splitting in the forthcoming weeks...

Posted by: aprilj Jan 14 2012, 10:41 AM

To be honest I wouldn't mind if Vanessa quit. I think The Sats still looked good a four piece. Vanessa used to be the good singer but I think Rochelle fills the role (better) now and to a lesser extent Una also. Plus Vanessa seems less popular with the general public as shown by the pre-orders for slip covers of 'On Your Radar'.

Posted by: seanopop Jan 14 2012, 12:47 PM

The girls have always been really honest about why people were absent whenever they performed/promoted as a four piece - even with the top-secret reason for frankie going part time they made the effort to explain that they can't tell us what's wrong with her. I find it strange that they would do this 'we're all happy' performance without mentioning her absence. It reminds me scarily of Steps split, two people quit right before the show, no time for discussion nor announcements, they went on stage and pretended everything was fine. Not saying that's what happened but you know...

Posted by: slowdown73 Jan 14 2012, 01:34 PM

Do you think the record company will try and re-release on your radar to boost sales?

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 14 2012, 01:55 PM

QUOTE(aprilj @ Jan 14 2012, 10:41 AM) *
To be honest I wouldn't mind if Vanessa quit. I think The Sats still looked good a four piece. Vanessa used to be the good singer but I think Rochelle fills the role (better) now and to a lesser extent Una also. Plus Vanessa seems less popular with the general public as shown by the pre-orders for slip covers of 'On Your Radar'.


It's kind of sad, though. Back in 2008/2009 she was by far the voice of the band. I remember everyone used to rely on her because she was so consistant and there were even people saying she was one of the best female vocalists in the UK at the time, plus her image was great and she seemed really happy and enthusiastic however these days she just looks like she hates the job and doesn't seem to be enjoying it as much, plus her voice has just drastically weakened. I'd agree she's probably the least popular of the band, but only because the others are so media friendly (Disney Mollie, Frankie the "new Cheryl", Una's baby and pregnancy, Rochelle the spokesperson of the group and engagement) whereas Vanessa is really private. But yeah, she just seems *there* now whereas a few years ago she HAD to be there or else the group would fall to pieces.

Posted by: JohnMK Jan 14 2012, 02:20 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 13 2012, 05:41 PM) *
Wow, are you lot actually been serious? They still have a lot planned for this year and Una will only miss 1month Max tbh. Their not getting a lot of days off this year as this is apparently "their biggest year yet" especially regarding Europe and America.

They are away to start getting their much needed publicity IMO.


Well there's only 2 ways to deal with the situation, I've chosen to be pesimistic, you optimistic. Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong, but at this point, in my eyes, everything is stacking up to them not existing after 2012 (and probably not even for the whole year at that).

Posted by: MyDecember Jan 14 2012, 02:20 PM

Vanessa's voice isn't as bad as you all make it out to be but I guess when it's compared to her earlier performances its not as good.

Posted by: missingyou Jan 14 2012, 02:34 PM

I think we have the following potential outcomes of 2012....

01
The band confirm Vanessa is leaving or that they are splitting, and issue a final single (whether its promoted or not) from On Your Radar. In this day in age a Greatest Hits could be released digitally with minimal costs to the record company, and then it doesn#t matter if its promoted or not.

02
The band are dropped by their label due to their consistantly poor sales and split.

03
The band confirm Vanessa has left, but they will continue as a four piece. Perhaps releasing a final On Your Radar single.

04
Vanessa doesn't leave and they release a final OYR single and a Greatest Hits in the winter before splitting or being dropped.

05
Vansessa doesn't leave and they release a final OYR single before a reissue or Greatest Hits in the winter, and then move on to album five.

mwahaha

Place your bets.... Imma be optomistic and vote for option 05, but perhaps I should have voted for option 01...

Posted by: missingyou Jan 14 2012, 02:36 PM

POSITIVITY PERHAPS...



vanessawhite vanessa white
@FrankieTheSats Happy Birthday babe, hope you have a good one!! See you later!! Xx


Also...

Crap Q of Last Call... again, Rochelle wub.gif



And 'Missing You' wub.gif wub.gif


Posted by: Liаm Jan 14 2012, 02:52 PM

On a different tangent but I am the only one who really dislikes Rochelle? sad.gif I don't know why.

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 14 2012, 05:26 PM

This gig that Vanessa wasn't there for, this was the Tickled Pink one, yes? Cause I was watching the All Fired Up At... video for it, and the girls were having a discussion about Una's bump, but Vanessa was nowhere in sight, only the other four...

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 14 2012, 05:39 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Jan 14 2012, 02:52 PM) *
On a different tangent but I am the only one who really dislikes Rochelle? sad.gif I don't know why.


I used to really dislike Rochelle. In the old flips she seemed quite bitchy and very sarcastic and I thought she seemed very fake and up herself (don't know why), it was made worse when she started mouthing off in the press about other artists and then she had that awful fringe/bob which, combined with her smug smiles, made her look really nasty, imo. I was like "why are those four lovely humble girls in a group with someone like Rochelle?" and didn't think she had much vocal ability or stage presence.

However during the Headlines era I just fell in love with her. She was so funny and down to earth on the 24/7 documentary, her image was much more friendlier (she looked quite "Mum"'ish), she really stepped up on the vocals and I realised she was just very protective of the other girls and wasn't nasty at all. I was in stitches at her girly panicking on 24/7 with the rollerblades/getting an ear pierced. laugh.gif

And then this era she's just became a star! Complete diva on stage, but she's amazing at it. Her image is very Beyonce like and she's easily becoming the best vocalist in the band. Throw in the fact she's the only Saturday member never to miss a gig, and the fact she'll probably have the celebrity wedding of the year when she gets married, and I think it's safe to say Rochelle is now the star of the band.

Posted by: Liаm Jan 14 2012, 05:44 PM

I think Rochelle will definitely be the 'Cheryl' of the band (except she's not a weak singer admittedly), it's already shaping up that way. I imagine if they do split and go solo, she'll do OK. Sadly. I'd rather have Mollie or Vanessa have solo success, but I could see either of those two either doing a Nicola Roberts or ending up on endless reality TV (well Vanessa's done Popstar To Operastar already laugh.gif), I'd not mind that because oddly Mollie is on my dreamlist for Dancing On Ice laugh.gif

Posted by: Rossco Jan 14 2012, 06:22 PM

Finally given the album a go - excelelnt - so consistant. White Lies is brillaint. defo the highlight imo.

Posted by: JakeWild Jan 14 2012, 06:33 PM

Is this a four-piece orr

Posted by: Scherz Jan 14 2012, 06:53 PM

Can I just point everyone in this thread to a little popstar called Pixie Lott?
Yes, 'My Heart Takes Over' & 'On Your Radar' didn't sell very well but that is just a minor setback.
'Kiss The Stars' just proves that the general public couldn't care less where the previous single charted and how fast it fell.
If they like the song that's out now, they will buy it.
They need to choose better singles and they might actually get somewhere, for a change.

As for Vanessa 'quitting' and the band falling to pieces.. well, that's just rubbish.
Why would she tweet Frankie a Happy Birthday? Why would she need to save face if she's left the band? She wouldn't care..

Posted by: Regina Jan 14 2012, 07:02 PM

What IS it with this site recently and Ickxie Lott? laugh.gif

Anyways, Get Ready, Get Set may just be my new favourite song by The Saturdays <3

Posted by: Davidson Jan 14 2012, 07:08 PM

QUOTE(MyDecember @ Jan 14 2012, 02:20 PM) *
Vanessa's voice isn't as bad as you all make it out to be but I guess when it's compared to her earlier performances its not as good.


Vanessa has the best voice in the band, no question, its not as good as it used to be though, I miss her performances like this:



If she has left the band I will have no intrest in them at all anymore, as she is my favourite by a long shot.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 14 2012, 07:19 PM

Agreed about Pixie. Her album bombed as bad as OYR (maybe not *as* bad, though) and yet she's now got a post album single at #5 on iTunes with a dreadful video. Anything can happen. Who's to say The Sats couldn't have done the same with something like 'Faster'? The charts are dead at the moment, there's honestly no big releases coming up, perfect time to release a video for a song!

Posted by: Jaynote Jan 15 2012, 07:23 PM

That Vanessa is LONG gone loool. Her voice has probably changed from a mezzo-soprano/soprano to a slightly lower darker contralto timbre. Although she can still sing like a mezzo-soprano if she really warmed up her voice and had more vocal lessons to stop from cracking, and perhaps if she took more care of her voice too and didn't party so hard and drink alcohol often *i've seen her many times and she loves her red wine and rosé* lol. She just sounded effortless in that video.

AS much as I love Rochelle and believe me, I do. She could never be Vanessa because although her vocals have improved, and she looked amazing with her long hair and voluptuous but flat tummy body, her tone has a slightly nasally sound and is no match for Vanessa's open, strong tone. I admit they looked great as a 4 piece on the Missing You video and others but Vanessa has a diva sound to her voice while Rochelle doesn't, in my opinion. There's a certain strength that isn't found in her tone that's abundant in Vanessa's, even though she isn't what she used to be sad.gif.

Ahh, so young and innocent (I always forget how to put up a video clip mad.gif )


Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 15 2012, 07:40 PM

Still not top 100.

Album sales are dreadful at the moment and there's zero new releases in either chart.

Do The Sats have a single out? No.

Posted by: SatsFan Jan 15 2012, 09:33 PM

I was at the Shepherds Bush gig. It was a really good set by the Sats. I have watched them live in similar circumstances eg after Wordshaker bombed and they did the t4 gig. There was a different atomsphere. In Shep B. When I have seen them before it almost felt like they knew they had to give an epic performance as their careers were depending it.

However, on Thursday it was as if there was no pressure on them and they were just enjoying it because they know it will be one of the last times they perform together.

Took me at least 2 mins to notice the lack of Vanessa. If she has quit. Good riddance to her. I question her commitment and whether her heart is in it

Posted by: Neil Jan 15 2012, 10:01 PM

QUOTE(Davidson @ Jan 14 2012, 07:08 PM) *


Gosh this video reminds me of how much I used to hate Mollie! She used to do this really annoying faces and every time the camera goes to her in this performance she's doing them, lol.

In fact, since Chasing Lights I think my opinion on all of them has done a complete 180. Used to love Vanessa, not so much now. Didn't like Rochelle & Mollie and now I *love* them. Actually Una has always been consistently amazing in my books. wub.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 15 2012, 11:53 PM

I agree about Vanessa's committment.

I don't know what it is, but she's just never seemed fully enthusiastic. I've seen all the other girls crying, jumping up and down, giggling excitedly, chattering non stop and thanking the fans non stop for things, but with Vanessa she just seems to smile a bit and it looks like she's bored all the time. Even on stage the other girls have big grins on their faces and are constantly waving to the crowd whereas Vanessa looks miserable and plays with her hair or stares at the ground.

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 16 2012, 10:00 AM

Even my Dad, who's not a Sats fan but had to take me to the tour ( tongue.gif ), noticed that Vanessa didn't seem to be enjoying herself as much as the other girls were. They were all saying how it was their dream and everything but Vanessa said about one or two lines throughout the whole night...

Posted by: Jaynote Jan 16 2012, 11:39 AM

Why Rochelle has tweeted that she's in the studio is beyond me, what for? *sighs* Hello album no. 5

Posted by: missingyou Jan 16 2012, 11:45 AM

QUOTE(Jaynote @ Jan 16 2012, 11:39 AM) *
Why Rochelle has tweeted that she's in the studio is beyond me, what for? *sighs* Hello album no. 5



could be a b-side, or a lead single for the Greatest Hits... nah its gonna be a mini-album with Notoroious, All Fired Up, MHTO, and two new singles isn't it....

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 16 2012, 11:54 AM

Rochelle solo album, cough.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 16 2012, 03:14 PM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 16 2012, 11:54 AM) *
Rochelle solo album, cough.


Or she could be dueting with someone. A Reporter was saying on Twitter "This Is Rochelle's Year" etc..

Posted by: Tabloid Darling. Jan 16 2012, 03:50 PM

This is getting annoying.

If they got Faster to radio's like NOW, and started promoting they'd have a surefire top five hit, and it could get the album back into the charts. Then Get Ready Get Set for the summer and at least they've given it a good go!

EDIT: Or even a remix of White Lies.. I just wish they'd do something!

Posted by: MarthaJonesFan Jan 16 2012, 03:52 PM

Well, Faster's already at some radio stations. My friend knew the whole chorus to it and she hasn't bought OYR...

Posted by: aprilj Jan 16 2012, 04:45 PM

The thing is if they did release a good single, video and promo they could get a good selling single and a few more album sales. It can be done as we have seen with Pixie Lott these last couple of weeks!

Posted by: Aidan Jan 16 2012, 04:48 PM

It sounds like Mollie's in the studio too, though:

[b]@MollieTheSats

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Why do I record standing on my tip toes?


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Posted by: Jaynote Jan 16 2012, 05:17 PM

Rochelle and Mollie duets album? LOL just kidding

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 16 2012, 06:29 PM

Una also tweeted she's in the studio too.

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 16 2012, 07:48 PM

I was thinking it would be a B-Side but surely they'd have leftover album tracks they could use instead?

Honestly as long as they release something i'll be happy, i'd even be happy with 'Wish I Didn't Know' or one of the bonus tracks. laugh.gif

Posted by: Jonjo Jan 16 2012, 11:17 PM

Bonus tracks for a "Best Of" album, maybe?

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 16 2012, 11:56 PM

Surely Turn Myself In should be a b side to the next single?

Anyway, It annoys me how frustrating Saturday's management are. They should be doing everything in their power to keep any intrest in The Saturdays. The album for one should be reduced while no single is sent to the radio's while there's no buzz. Reduce it to £5 in Shops and £4.99 on iTunes. Look at Cher Lloyd Etc, by doing that it's helping them remain in the eye and should help her.

The Saturdays should also be attempting to reduce singles on iTunes to 59p. I know it's easy to say but it always has an impact look at All Fired Up that helped them pass 200,000 sales. I think they should reduce Notorious & My Heart Takes Over and Single 4 To 59p like when Gaga's label reduced all her singles to 59p.

I think this album could be saved but only if singles from the album are reduced and if the album itself is reduced.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 17 2012, 12:39 AM

They're nice suggestions, but even with a price cut for On Your Radar if people wanted it they'd buy it at £7.99 (which is pretty cheap anyway). A price cut to £5 will not be enough for the casual buyer to pick up the CD and think "oh yes, must buy that". If they wanted it when it was out, they'd have got it then.

It all boils down to their 'album selling single' 'My Heart Takes Over' under-performing massively; and the busy release climate they put On Your Radar out in. Their managements response to this is suprisingly chilled as they're back in the studio working on new music!

It's not about plugging the album on TV more either. They have already done that, and it's a waste of money to go on the TV shows that have like 500k viewing figures because they've done that too (Daybreak etc). Those viewing figures will not turn into sales as the 'impact week' sales have already been and gone.

The only way this is going to be salvagable is if they release another single, or re-launch the LP with a new single, and new insentives to buy it (again, for some).

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 17 2012, 02:44 AM

QUOTE(2ndAdventure @ Jan 17 2012, 12:39 AM) *
They're nice suggestions, but even with a price cut for On Your Radar if people wanted it they'd buy it at £7.99 (which is pretty cheap anyway). A price cut to £5 will not be enough for the casual buyer to pick up the CD and think "oh yes, must buy that". If they wanted it when it was out, they'd have got it then.

It all boils down to their 'album selling single' 'My Heart Takes Over' under-performing massively; and the busy release climate they put On Your Radar out in. Their managements response to this is suprisingly chilled as they're back in the studio working on new music!

It's not about plugging the album on TV more either. They have already done that, and it's a waste of money to go on the TV shows that have like 500k viewing figures because they've done that too (Daybreak etc). Those viewing figures will not turn into sales as the 'impact week' sales have already been and gone.

The only way this is going to be salvagable is if they release another single, or re-launch the LP with a new single, and new insentives to buy it (again, for some).


If you ask me, If their not planning of releasing another single they need to reduce to the album to the chepeast that they can. I mean even if they reduced the price of the album until single 4 it should get them to re-enter the top 100 and it might help radio's want to play the album more. Look at what's happening The Saturdays have no buzz, nothing that makes me think Single 4 will be a hit. I think they need to discount as much albums/singles as they can.

I mean with Notorious, All Fired Up, My Heart Takes Over & On Your Radar they have not even passed 500,000 sales. While Headlines With Two Singles passed over 710,000.
I mean On Your Radar is not even looking likely of passing 75,000 sales. They can't do a wordshaker and ignore this album. I would reduce the album/singles release single 4 followed by a re-release with 4-5 new songs on the album including Turn Myself In.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 17 2012, 11:45 AM

The best time to reduce an album is at the height of the buzz. If and when they put out a 4th single, it will be then. Like I explained in my other post, if people wanted to buy it in the first place, they'd have got it by now; no price reduction at this moment in time is going to make anyone else buy it.

They may as well keep it at full price for now and milk it, then reduce it at the height of the 'buzz' to reap the rewards. It will benefit them more then than it would now. £7.99 is cheap even now though. One of the cheapest in HMV, as they're usually priced around £9.99+

Posted by: missingyou Jan 17 2012, 11:53 AM

I agree with 2ndA, the best time will be when/if another single is released/video is out etc. i'd rather the single peak at #22 and the album sell another 50,000 copies!!

Posted by: vivek Jan 17 2012, 10:00 PM

I doubt a single will be released from this album till after March since Rochelle is getting maried in March and Una is due on March too!

Posted by: missingyou Jan 17 2012, 11:17 PM

QUOTE(vivek @ Jan 17 2012, 10:00 PM) *
I doubt a single will be released from this album till after March since Rochelle is getting maried in March and Una is due on March too!



hmmm may not be worth it then, cause April is way to late to follow up a single that went to radio in September.



Posted by: Encore Jan 18 2012, 09:43 AM

There's no actual confirmation for Rochelle getting married in March other than gossip mags, which are usually just that... gossip.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 18 2012, 01:21 PM

Yeah I really doubt she's getting maried that soon. Aren't JLS touring around that time as well?

Also, with Una's birth, do you think Rochelle would want to married in the same month as well? Oh but if what the mags say are true, then Rochelle and Una are each other's maids of honor or something like that. I don't see Una being able to be 'up and out' in March, LOL.

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 19 2012, 11:45 AM

Album isn't Top 200 this week! ohmy.gif

Posted by: JohnMK Jan 19 2012, 12:02 PM

If they can't even chart in the top 200 NOW, when sales are pitiful, there really is no hope.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 19 2012, 01:06 PM

Oh dear.

Posted by: Encore Jan 19 2012, 01:36 PM

Not good. Well, it's not not good, it's bloody disastrous. sad.gif

But on a lighter note, the girls are recording with Xenomania at the moment. Brian Higgins was doing a webchat and announced they're in the studio at the minute. biggrin.gif Very happy they're back working with them! Call The Shots/Girl Overboard/The Promise/Loving Kind/Untouchable part 2 please. tongue.gif

Posted by: shadow2009 Jan 19 2012, 01:40 PM

Who'd have thought this would sell even less than Wordshaker? laugh.gifohmy.gif

Posted by: -Jay- Jan 19 2012, 01:46 PM

Or that Wordshaker would stay in the Top 200 chart three times longer? blush.gif

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 19 2012, 03:57 PM

That's funny you should mention Xenomania, because when Mollie took a picture of her car on the drive a day or two ago I thought It looked like the front of Xenomania Studios laugh.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 19 2012, 09:43 PM

Wordshaker also sold well because of their promotion. Ego release also helped them re-enter the top 40. Should have done album singings etc... They only have themselves/management to blame.

Posted by: Silver Rocket Jan 19 2012, 10:25 PM

I suppose doing album signings may have added a couple of thousand at the most?

We're not really hearing anything about a next single now and I think the best thing they can do is just cut their losses and try again with something new, any attempt to save this now could result in a mammoth flop single that will just make the situation worse and make radio more unwilling to support them (infact it'd be near certain to happen if they actually stupidly went with 'The Way You Watch Me').

Posted by: MyDecember Jan 19 2012, 10:36 PM

Hey need to move on from this 'era'. They'll only waste money by releasing a 4th single and there is no way this album will recover. It is dead.

Posted by: 2ndAdventure Jan 19 2012, 11:42 PM

QUOTE(lee wallace @ Jan 19 2012, 09:43 PM) *
They only have themselves/management to blame.


Fixed! laugh.gif

No but seriously, I don't get where anyone could actually blame the artist. They're not responsible for booking signings or promotion etc. Even with their scheduelle at the time though, do you think they could have realistically done 5 days worth of signings (ok, maybe not that many, but Monday-Friday isn't out of the question) whilst doing tour rehearsals for the tour that would have started 2wks later? It would be a bit manic to say the least.

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 20 2012, 12:10 AM

It just seems the management think they could sell on name alone. Why give up on On Your Radar, the album is fantastic and I really think while working on the next album we could get at least The Way You Watch Me/Do What You Want With Me. Maybe even Last Call....

I heard Do What You Want With Me on the radio today!

Although I guess if they moved on to a new album it may help them gain better airplay but it could be costly ala Sugababes.

Posted by: Jonjo Jan 20 2012, 01:39 AM

They fucked up by having songs which were unidentifiable. 'All Fired Up' as amazing and as successful as it has been (which I'd personally say it HAS been a success for them) could have been done by anyone. It's just, not them. Same with 'Notorious'. 'My Heart Takes Over' is a personal favourite of mine and it's baffling as to how it wasn't a success. Maybe what Scherz (?) said about it being a single which was led by the two members of the group who aren't as liked/popular as the other three played a factor? Although they definitely have two of the strongest voices in the band. (Both behind Una in terms of vocals, imo).

It really should have gone...

01. 'All Fired Up' [MAR-MAY: END OF SPRING/EARLY SUMMER] (It would have been a great start to cause "buzz" despite it sounding non-saturdays)
02. 'White Lies' [End of MAY-SEPT] (It really is the 'Up'/'Ego'/'Higher' of the album!)
---ALBUM RELEASE---
03. 'Last Call' [OCT-DEC] (Personally, I thought 'My Heart Takes Over' was the best choice, but considering 'Last Call' was cherry picked more than MHTO on albums release, the public clearly didn't warm to the latter enough, so would have gone for this to sell the album over Winter/Christmas)
04. 'Do What You Want With Me' [JAN-APR] (A song which they performed without Una on tour, so they could promote this without having her there whilst she has the baby)
05. 'Get Ready, Get Set' [JUN/JUL] (Maybe one last attempt at flogging the album and seeing as Una would/could be back - not sure how long it'll take for her to bond with baby and stuff - it could welcome her back as she sings the hook and stuff.)
/end campaign.

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Posted by: lee wallace Jan 20 2012, 02:11 AM

01. All Fired Up
02. Do What You Want With Me

Album Release

03. Last Call
04. The Way You Watch Me/ White Lies
05. Get Ready, Get Set

Posted by: Jonjo Jan 20 2012, 02:57 AM

I can't stop listening to 'White Lies'. It literally is one of the most orgasmic pop songs I've heard in a while. Probably since I first heard 'Price Tag' which was late 2010. The more I listen to it, the more I get depressed and thinking that it's going to be THE missed opportunity from this era. I don't care if it will flop, but Pixie showed that something CAN be done after a flop if they were given the right backing/promotion. Send 'White Lies' to radio and announce it as the next official single, reduce it to 59p and promote the living CRAP out of it. At least they gave it a go and I wouldn't be as upset about it being one of the most missed opportunities of the year. tongue.gif

Posted by: lee wallace Jan 20 2012, 03:09 AM

I think White Lies would do amazing if it was reduced to 59p tbh! I think it would also get amazing airplay compared to My Heart Takes Over & Notorious. It's just a hit that screams out, I think not releasing this/ another single from the album will show how stupid the management are tbh.

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