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Posted by: Dan_ 27th February 2016, 11:06 AM

the follow-ups to X&Y has now been revealed as Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon, which will be released on the 3DS. With smartphone release Pokemon Go also set for sometime this year, 2016 could well be the year of pokemon.

Posted by: HausofTroye 27th February 2016, 11:15 AM

So excited as always. I wonder if it is Lunatone and Solrock as the lead two pokemon?

Posted by: Oliver 27th February 2016, 11:43 AM

I would rage forever if they were, but I don't think they will be. There are new Pokemon for these games.

Posted by: Oliver 27th February 2016, 11:46 AM

It mentions that it "all comes together". I wonder what they mean by that and how it will be implemented? All regions available, all gyms/leaders, all Pokemon from available from the start?

Posted by: Dan_ 27th February 2016, 02:52 PM

I do hope it has new / different features and isn't just a rehash of every other pokemon game [lol.]

the ability to catch all 700+ pokés and visit all the regions would be a great idea indeed.

Posted by: Liаm 27th February 2016, 03:03 PM

There have been rumours before of a game with all the regions, I'm not sure if that would be too ambitious but I guess like in the Johto games where parts of Kanto were blocked off, they wouldn't have to have the whole region, like maybe some of the mountains are closed off, Sky Pillar could have collapsed etc.

Posted by: LexDANCE 27th February 2016, 05:38 PM

I will definitely be getting these! They're bigging up the whole '20 years of Pokemon' thing so a game with all the regions in strikes me as something that would be really fitting and cool.

Posted by: Dircadirca 28th February 2016, 11:00 AM

How long until everyone shortens it to Pokemon S&M?

I'm slightly behind since I only finished Black last year and have X totally unplayed, so maybe for once I should just wait until the slightly superior 3rd game inevitably appears. High hopes for these though.

Posted by: HausofTroye 28th February 2016, 11:12 AM

!

I am downloading red/blue/or yellow again on the 3DS (undecided which to go for this time) in preparation for this.

I hope everyone is downloading Mew for X&Y too! Legendary Pokemon being made available every month for the next year or so

Posted by: Atonement 28th February 2016, 11:19 AM

I haven't played a Pokémon game since I had to buy a 3DS to play the new games . So I think the last one I played was Pokémon White.

Posted by: Oliver 28th February 2016, 11:28 PM

Missed Mew but will get Celebi and Jirachi the next two months.

Posted by: Cody Slayberry 29th February 2016, 05:50 PM

I LIKE IT LIKE IT COME ON

Posted by: Oliver 6th March 2016, 06:25 PM

Been spending ages trying to see if anyone had any codes online for this, but have just found out that the Mew glitch is still in the Virtual Console versions of R/B/Y so can get Mew on that and transfer it via Pokemon Bank to Sun/Moon.

Since I'll never use it I won't feel as bad about having a glitched pokemon in my Pokedex.

Posted by: HausofKubrick 7th March 2016, 09:56 PM

Just downloaded Celebi for X. Was incredibly easy, just go onto the mystery gift and select 'via internet' and you get it

Also downloaded Yellow on the 3DS (after much debate about which to go for ) - should keep me busy until these are released, and i've just learnt you can trade with others who have these versions (so post in here if you have one!) AND you'll eventually be able to trade with Sun/Moon too!!

Posted by: sugabloke 7th March 2016, 10:01 PM

I have also downloaded Yellow! (so unforch cannae help you get pokes you can't get regularly but will assist if you need a Gengar/Machamp/Alakazam - or all three *.*)

Also been reading some stuff about this and it seems pretty much confirmed to be based on Hawaii (like how X/Y was based on France) so hopefully there'll be plenty of tropicalness~

Posted by: HausofKubrick 7th March 2016, 10:02 PM

Oh Well Jay downloaded Blue, so I really should've gone for Red now Shotgun getting the good stuff off Jay first though

Posted by: Oliver 7th March 2016, 10:11 PM

Should I get Red then, we can all 151 pokes?

Posted by: HausofKubrick 7th March 2016, 10:12 PM

YES OLIVER! I'm pretty sure we can get them all if one of us has red too (as I have Mew now....) but I'm not sure. There's probably still one or two pesky ones that you can't even get but worth checking!

Posted by: Oliver 8th March 2016, 12:03 AM

No you should be able to get them all without Yellow, so having Yellow will just backup everyone being able to get everything rather than having to rely on someone catching the exact missing Pokemon .

I'll get it in the coming days let you's know what's happening.

Posted by: adi_gallia 8th March 2016, 12:07 AM

So ready for the new generation of Pokémon. I'm loving the celebrations for 20 years as well, will be heading to GAME every month to get my legendary Pokémon - I've never had Jirachi/Manaphy/Shaymin/Arceus so looking forward to them most.

I'm torn between getting Blue or Yellow. I liked that Pikachu follows you around in Yellow, but Blue was the first game I ever played - I remember thinking Blastoise looked pretty cool on the cover (and then picked Bulbasaur as my starter. ha.) I don't really get time to play anymore but I think the 3DS compatability and the ability to connect with Sun/Moon is quite awesome.

Posted by: Oliver 9th March 2016, 09:18 PM

Bal, the below is the list of Pokemon that are missing from Pokemon Yellow, but are in Red/Blue.



You'll need me for Ekans/Arbok/Electabuzz and Jay for Meowth/Persian/Magmar. All the other missing ones you can get off either one of us.

We will get a full Pokedex!!!!

Posted by: HausofKubrick 9th March 2016, 09:26 PM

HOW EXCITING !!!!

I haven't even started my new Yellow file because i've been so busy but it's coming. Can't wait to experience the original generation all over again

Posted by: Liаm 10th May 2016, 12:21 PM

Lots of news today!! Box art, including the two legendaries:



I think I like the sun one better I think.

Also the 3 starters are revealed, an owl called Rowlet (grass/flying), a kitten called Litten (fire) and a seal called Popplio (water). THE OWL IS SO CUTE. Depends on movesets etc. I guess but it's looking at this point like I'm going to go for the grass starter first for the first time since Treecko (I do love Chespin and controversially Turtwig though):

https://twitter.com/BulbaNewsNOW/status/730007828275040256

It would have been nice to have dual types for all them for the first time ever, maybe fire/dark for the kitten? It kind of has a shifty look about it. And then water/ice for the seal as obvious as that is. The other two will probbly evovle into dual types though.

And finally a trailer showing the professor, some of the region (which is called Alola) and the presentation of the starters. It looks beautiful <3


OUT NOVEMBER 23 HERE!! So ready for this omfg, American release is a week before so hopefully we get moves and info all out then so considered decisions for teams can be made

Posted by: LexC 10th May 2016, 12:47 PM

I am all about that fire pussy!

Posted by: Oliver 10th May 2016, 03:19 PM

OMG all three of those starters are to die for!

Posted by: HausofKubrick 10th May 2016, 03:55 PM

They are ADORABLE. Could be one of the first times ever I don't go for the water starter because the grass owl is TOO CUTE. The water is a close second though so I probably will still do it lol.

The moon legendary looks fantastic *.* I feel we've had the Sun one already on various incarnations but I still wouldn't say no. This erange is starting very well!!!

Posted by: Spiral 10th May 2016, 06:21 PM

The Grass Owl for me please! That looks quite exotic compared to other Pokemon games. Is it based on places like Hawaii?

Posted by: Regina 10th May 2016, 06:22 PM

That grass owl is slaying me *.* imagine how epic its final form will be. Dat 4x weakness to ice tho.

Posted by: Umi 10th May 2016, 06:27 PM

Refusing to get excited about the starters cos I was severely burned last generation when they all had pretty terrible final stages in their lines The owl is so cute though, reminds me a lot of Blathers from Animal Crossing. That leaf bowtie. Region is gorgeous and the Moon legendary is pretty cool but the Sun one is properly hideous. It's rare that I don't like the cover legends (gen 5's were a bit bland but that's all) but that one is not pleasing my eyes at all.

Posted by: Alejandjob 10th May 2016, 11:43 PM

Fire Kitty giving Zara Larsson a major run for her money in the cross eyed stakes

Posted by: Liаm 11th May 2016, 09:45 AM

I'd love the owl to pick up a psychic typing maybe, that would lose its 4x weakness to ice although it adds a 4x weakness to bug (less common but X-Scissor and Bug Buzz for example) and then adds ghost/dark weaknesses, but it would make it nice and versatile with access to psychic moves, and probably Shadow Ball. Grass dual typings are always a bit iffy because grass has so many weaknesses anyway but we can always balance it our teams with say a fire type for the ice types etc etc etc.

Posted by: Regina 11th May 2016, 09:52 AM

Torterra slays all though even with all its weaknesses.

Posted by: Liаm 11th May 2016, 11:24 AM

It has really good defence and decent special def which I can't see an owl having, I think this will a fast mixed attacker like say Sceptile, really if it's fast enough it'll be just fine in game I guess And I don't care much about the meta game, people can get around everything with strategy.

Posted by: Regina 11th May 2016, 06:31 PM

And it had a tree on its back

Posted by: HausofKubrick 2nd June 2016, 03:37 PM

New details:

Solgaleo - the lion-esque legendary from the Pokemon Sun boxart - is a Psychic- and Steel-type with the Full Metal Body ability (which prevents its stats being lowered) and a new move called Sunsteel Strike.

Lunala - from the Moon box - is a Psychic- and Ghost-type with the Shadow Shield ability (taking less damage from attacks from Pokemon with full HP) and a new Moongeist Beam move.

Both Sunsteel Strike and Moongeist Beam ignore the abilities of Pokemon they hit.

Pokemon Sun and Moon makes another new addition. Rotom - the Pokemon introduced in Diamond & Pearl that can possess various household appliances - is now part of a "next generation of Pokedexes", and can speak to you.

Trailer and more here: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/06/02/pokemon-sun-and-moon-new-legendaries-characters-named-and-detailed


Lunala is gonna be my favourite of these two I think although I am glad Solgaleo isn't another fire-lion lmao.

Also I can't wait to get Popplio

Posted by: Devan 2nd June 2016, 06:11 PM

f***ing Rotom though

Posted by: Regina 2nd June 2016, 06:13 PM

Rotom >>>> toby.

These hot PokeProfs tho *.*

Posted by: Devan 2nd June 2016, 06:14 PM

I'd rather have that f***ing ICE CREAM than Rotom

Posted by: Liаm 2nd June 2016, 06:52 PM

Om the Rotom Pokedex is really cute <3


Also Rowlett evolves into grass/ground, Litten stays pure fire and Popplio is water/fighting according to someone who hacked a bi and found present but unseen data from the Pokemon site. I wish they did cool typings like fire/poison or dark and water/fairy. Still defintiely going for Rowlett, grass/ground would maintain the double ice weakness but it's only weak to flying, fire and bug then and it's not like bug type moves are that common!Plus the ground type means you can easily combat fire and ice with ground/rock anyway so it's quite a good typing actually.

Posted by: Regina 2nd June 2016, 07:03 PM

Torterra teas, but that's the best Grass starter so not complaining *.*

Posted by: Ninjabait 2nd June 2016, 07:06 PM

Sooo....the moon legendary is 4x weak to Dark and the sun legendary is weak to Fire. Okay.

Also, Rotom Pokedex is a really cool idea! Does this mean you may start out with a Rotom in addition to your starter? Because, if so, that would be literally the coolest thing.

Posted by: Liаm 3rd June 2016, 12:52 AM

Omg I didn't think of that myself I like Psychic/steel as a typing but it seems silly that it is weak to fire. I did think that Lunaala would be ghost, it just has that look, but it should be ghost/dark really. Psychic just seems to be the default legendary type

Posted by: Atonement 3rd June 2016, 12:13 PM

omg that seal is so FUGLY. And water Pokémon are usually my fav

Posted by: Devan 3rd June 2016, 03:45 PM

Rowlett has such a shit typing.


GOWLETT MORE LIKE

Posted by: HausofKubrick 3rd June 2016, 04:43 PM

Noo he's adorable! I always love the water types most and this is no different. I am very biased though.

Posted by: Atonement 6th June 2016, 02:52 PM

Whyy? do you have a pet seal ?

Posted by: Liаm 9th June 2016, 08:01 AM

There's speculation that the diamonds that can be seen http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/sun-moon-diamond.jpg is referencing a new type of evoltuion, perhaps similar tohttp://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_fill,h_943,w_1713/t_mp_quality/raksiwym4dimhlxrhj54/the-ash-greninja-connection-uncovered-but-will-we-see-this-trait-in-pokemon-z-pokemon-z-675676.jpg in the anime. This is further teased because in the recent trailer where we find out the professor, rival character, legendaries etc., the character has the same diamond on a bracelet on their wrist (presumably similar to the Mega Evolution items from Gen 6).

Is it just me who doesn't give a shit about megas? And I'm really not sure I like this proposed "fusion" evolution, apparently it's in the Manga as "burst" evoltuion where trainers fuse with their Pokemon. I mean I use megas and I'll probably use this thing too but I'd just much rather they focused on "normal" evolutions, I miss the Gen IV days when we got amazing evolutions like Roserade, Togekiss, Froslass, Tangrowth etc... Mega Evolution just kind of gives people who cba to strategise and train properly an annoyingly high chance competitively and I think it contributes to making the game easier too, but I guess I could just not use it for the latter and it's a silly complaint Also will this replace megas, add to them? I can just imagine "noobs" (for want of a better word) with a Primal, Mega and a burst/fusion if it's allowed! I don't do the meta game myself (I'd love to try but I can' be bothered with breeding, IV training, any of that) but I watch a lot of Youtubers who do.

Posted by: Regina 18th June 2016, 04:39 PM

Does anyone here feel like helping me evolve my Phantrump? Also, how do you even add friends on ORAS

Posted by: lewistgreen 18th June 2016, 04:42 PM

It's been a few years since I've indulged in playing any kind of Pokemon game, but seeing this thread and the hype surrounding Sun and Moon, I feel like I need to get back involved and get myself a 3DS! *.*

Posted by: Liаm 9th July 2016, 12:33 AM

Finally a Poison/Fire type I've wanted one since there was a really cool Fakemon in the rom hack Pokemon Quartz! Its ability Corrosive seems kinda OP though - it can poison any type. It seems a bit weird that it can poison poison types but I understand undoing the steel immunity due to metals corroding. It's not very powerful according to the pokedex so I think if it doesn't evolve that won't matter, it may just be a vaguely gimmicky Pokemon which is there to say they've done that type combo

There are also 7 others who've been revealed recently:



I LOVE Vikavolt! Cutiefly (minus the name) is good too, very cute and could be very good when/if it evolves.

We also have http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Komala_(Pok%C3%A9mon), http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rockruff_(Pok%C3%A9mon)and http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Grubbin_(Pok%C3%A9mon)released before this! Komala is adorable (finally a koala pokemon!) but it's definitely a gimmick Although maybe it has good stats like Hawlucha so it's solid enough to use anyway.

Posted by: Cody Collins 9th July 2016, 12:45 AM

Sure the ability for Salandit seems a bit much but considering the abundance of Ground-type Pokemon I don't think it will be a problem (especially considering Magnitude/Earthquake exist)

I loved Galvantula but Vikavolt might actually give it a run for its money!

(I hope to GOD that Togedemaru means there's another evolution branch for Togepi, it's getting harder just settling for a Togekiss ~)

Posted by: Liаm 9th July 2016, 04:20 AM

Yeah that's true, Earthquake is somewhat overused It'll also take double Spikes damage but you never see Spikes so much, more Stealth Rock because they hit all types whereas obviously Levitate/flying type means you can't get hit by Spikes.

Also Togedemaru is clearly the Pikachu clone of this generation and they never evolve I think I remember that toge is japanese for spike or something, because of Togepi's shell and Togedemaru's hegdehog spikes. They often have some sort of difference to do with the generation's new features too (like Pichu is a baby Pokemon for breeding, Plusle/Minun are a duo for double battles, Dedenne is part fairy because of the new type, although I can't think of what's special about Emolga or Pachirisu relating to their generation), idk what this one would be. Maybe it can be bulkier for more competitive viability which might tie into the new Battle Royale thing? Idk

Posted by: Cody Collins 9th July 2016, 02:50 PM

(Pichu evolves into Pikachu so that doesn't really count )

Emolga was Electric/Flying and before that only existed on Zapdos (and that fan Rotom thing) so I guess that's where the "Pikachu clone with an added edge" comes in, idk about Pachirisu

Posted by: Liаm 13th July 2016, 07:43 AM

Fairly big news from the latest Japanese trailer - the diamond things in the Japanese logo (akin to the mega evolution symbols in the X and Y logos) are apparently for some sort of synchronisation thing with your pokemon. It thankfully doesn't seem to be like AshGreninja in the anime (I hate that plot) but it seems that you get a special powered up attack from it?

Also this is an actual Pokemon :')



Its concept is pretty cool - it is basically some sort of evil ghost thing possessing a cloth to disguise itself as another Pokemon. If you try and take it off it afflicts you with a curse. I'm guessing it's ability might be similar to Zoroark's Illusion, or perhaps there are different forms of it depending on the route you catch it on that are disguises of a few different pokemon? It's Ghost/Fairy too which is another unique typing. I think this could be an unexpectedly useful Pokemon like Klefki or maybe it evolves into something even cooler.

Posted by: Cody Collins 20th July 2016, 06:38 AM

We got more! (Plus actual footage of Mimikyu from Liam's post)



Comfey is so stereotypically Hawaii lol

I like the new ability for Mudsdale. Maybe it can end up being used as a Hidden Ability for some other Pokemon? (Rapidash, Stantler, Tauros, Sawsbuck, Bouffalant & Gogoat are some that can possibly benefit)

Posted by: Liаm 21st July 2016, 11:02 AM

Some of these abilities are a bit OP, but it depends if they're exclusive Imagine Triage on a Blissey Maybe Mudsdale doesn't have great defence to start with and the ability is justified, a lot of the pokemon above mentioned in relation to Stamina could kinda do with the boost. I like that they're bringing in good creative new abilities, a lot of Gen 6's were situational or just generally kinda crap

I like these new pokemon though! I'm 100% using Mimikyu on my team, maybe Comfey if it evolves. I just love Mimikyu's concept, typing and ability so much,

Posted by: Oliver 21st July 2016, 11:04 AM

Yeah Mimikyu is definitely on my team. Being a dual type helps as I always try to have as many types as possible.

Posted by: Liаm 21st July 2016, 11:10 AM

Also Poketubers are theorising megas aren't in this game *.* I would bloody love that because megas are shite but I just can't see it I don't have a problem with them as a concept, it's just they're making the wrong Pokemon OP and Game Freak are neglecting actual evolutions in favour of joining Salamence's wings, finally making Charizard Dragon type or generally just making really pointless megas like f***ING AUDINO.

Posted by: Regina 21st July 2016, 12:57 PM

Bewear *.* WANT. All the ne wpokemon this gen look great actually.

Posted by: Envoirment 21st July 2016, 06:00 PM

So excited for these games, love quite a few of the new pokémon and am so happy hyper training is a thing. No need to worry about the IVs for a shiny as you can just increase them via that. *_*

Posted by: Liаm 21st July 2016, 06:27 PM

I think you can only do it if they're level 100 anyway but really with these horde encounters to get EVs than in itself is easier than ever because you get loads of experience from those tbh

Bloody versilify on youtube, notorious whiny twat, is very up in arms about this saying it is cheating I mean it's a legit way that Nintendo have put in the game, it's just making it much easier so competitive battlers don't have to waste hour upon hour selectively breeding for it to just go wrong. I don't see what's wrong with it, it's making training more accessible and easier, it's just people like him don't get to be on their high horse anymore.

Posted by: Regina 21st July 2016, 06:42 PM

ShadyPenguinn and PIMPNITE >>>>>>> tho.
versilify is only there if you need a reason to hate.

Posted by: Cody Collins 1st August 2016, 03:06 PM

ICE TYPE VULPIX/NINETALES They also show the Z-move thing that was teased in the trailer, I'm hoping they still have time to incorporate that in the anime.

Posted by: Aaron. 1st August 2016, 03:22 PM

I would be more excited by the Z-Move if the animation for it wasn't so damn long. Why does the trainer need to dance along?
That was the problem with the Mega Evolution, the damn animation to unlock it took forever.

None of these new Pokemon excite me. The only thing I look forward to in new games is running into old pokemon. I do want an Ice Ninetails tho.

Posted by: Liаm 1st August 2016, 03:29 PM

ther than Megas these are played as being the result of them changing over time (traditional evolution rather than in the Pokemon sense, I suppose) because of the climates they live in within Alola. I prefer these to Megas, rather than just upping the power of stuff that may not need it, it gives them a totally new direction, a fresh look. I particularly love Ninetales' form and I think I may well use it in-game, I found it quite meh before. It's pretty but a plain fire type is pretty bland, Ice/Fairy and the new look really draws me to it. It's a really good way to refresh some of the Gen 1 Pokemon who've kind of fallen out of use with so many new Pokemon doing what they do with better stats or wider movepools.

I like Oricorio's different forms, it may be a tad gimmicky but it's diverse and might have good enough stats like Hawlucha to justify being used. Minior and Gumshoos are less good, the latter in the pre-evo of Yungoos and just looks more like Donald Trump and for the former - since when did leviatating Pokemon have to be flying type Formantis/Lurantis look very nice, the baby is so cute! I like Mudsdale pre-evo Mudbray too, that's also pretty cute.

The "island challenge" hints at maybe a different direction? It seems like you have to defeat the leaders of a trial and then the "Kahuna" of the whole island. and there are 4 trials/islands. I think this may be instead of gyms? I noticed that with 4 islands it still adds up to 8 leaders so that would be the same as badges, and you'd get into the Pokemon League after that. It would be nice to have them alongside gyms though to really beef up the main game. People have noticed that the map doesn't seem to have anywhere for a pokemon league but it may just be not obvious. People are taking that as it being a Kalos league again like the fact you have to go to Indigo Plateau in HG/SS but idk. Maybe if there were two main stories like the gyms and the challenge thing you'd just face a champion as a final boss t the end, we'll see.


I thinkZ Powers feel kinda overkill given how easy the game is lately but perhaps this game won't be so easy and we'll need them. Like Mega Evolution you can only use one per battle.

Posted by: Ninjabait 1st August 2016, 03:40 PM

I was about to throw money at the screen but then I realized I didn't have any.

I may get a 3DS eventually just to play one of these games. I haven't been this pumped for a Pokemon game since Black & White. I'm loving the new Pokemon and the new concepts that they're bringing to this game (like the region-specific and island-specific forms and the new island challenge system) and am super stoked for this game. Main thing I'm hoping for now is that these games keep up the trend of having stronger stories like B&W (1 and 2) and XY, and don't revert back to the old "so-so" levels of story telling that came before that.

If they keep that up, I'm definitely sold on this game.

Posted by: Cody Collins 1st August 2016, 06:11 PM

New Alola Forms:
• The new Exeggutor form would easily get outclassed by Mega Sceptile so I don't see that being used at all.
• I like the aesthetic of the new Vulpix/Ninetales forms, I see them being used as strictly dragon killers though. I always saw Ninetales as deserving of a secondary type anyway, so the new Ice/Fairy form seems very fitting. The only thing that makes me wary about it is the 4x weakness to Steel types and it doesn't have that impressive Defense.
• The new Sandshrew/Sandslash seems SUPER weak compared to its origins forms. I can see it keeping its decent at best speed stat but it will be easily outclassed by Weavile (one of the ONLY physical Ice attackers) and that also has a 4x weakness to Fighting.

New Pokemon:
• I think Yungoos/Gumshoos will be one of those Route 1 type Pokemon that are good for the first five minutes of the game but then get too tedious to encounter and too weak to progress through the storyline with.
• Oricorio does seem like it could have as decent stats as Hawlucha, although I think it would focus more on Special moves rather than Physical.
• Lurantis reminds me of a Special attacker counterpart to Leavanny, although it could fall into the more well-rounded attacker group given what type of attack Solar Blade will be. Either way that's probably my second favorite so far after Vikavolt.
• Minior being a Flying-type makes NO SENSE. I felt that it could have at least had Levitate as an ability, although its Ability makes it look a little more justified... It still makes no sense at all.
• Mudbray is pretty cute in a Deerling/Blitzle kind of way.

Other features:
• I feel that the "riding on Pokemon" feature is going to open up to another mini game similar to Pokemon Contests/Triathlon/Showcases. Maybe they'll incorporate Skiddo/Rhyhorn races from the anime? Or maybe something related to equestrian events?
• The new Z-move seems like a less nerfed version of Mega Evolutions but I think they will have the same difficulty when it comes to obtaining them. And I guess they'll be regulated to the starters maybe? Although I did see Pikachu use it so I guess it depends on what Pokemon you develop the strongest bond with. I can see this being referenced in the anime later on.
• I can see the Island Challenge being a new direction but only in terms of an Elite Four type of challenge. I see four Trial leaders and then the Kahuna of the region similar to the Champion of the other leagues. Although is this the earliest we've seen something like this (Gym Leader/Elite Four types) revealed? I wouldn't read that much into it.

What I want to see next:
• Probably more detail on the Alola region lore. With the new forms, I am assuming that there are other forms of past generation Pokemon, so I want to see how that came about. I can see this in a new movie but considering the latest Pokemon movie was released in the middle of July I don't think we'll be seeing more Legendary Pokemon origin stories until the game comes out.

Posted by: Martyn 1st August 2016, 06:44 PM

The Ice/Fairy Ninetails looks so elegant! I want it!

Posted by: Liаm 1st August 2016, 07:55 PM

I'm sure Alolan Sandslash will have mega defences to be used as a wall, although the 4x weakneses to fighting means that would just be easily countered. But that doesn't stop Ferrothorn being spammed to high heavens online with its 4x fire weakness Perhaps these Alola forms will have higher stats and their 4x weaknesses are ways to nerf them a little bit I feel like it might have good attack and great physical defence like Avalugg, whereas Weavile for example has woeful defence so it's not used a great deal competitively. Anyway it's not like Sandslash was originally that strong, it was a bland ground type which has been outclassed many times since Gen 1.


Also I'm sure earlier I saw something official tweet that the new forms are due to microclimates in the Alola region. And there's a Z-Move of each type so I think maybe you get an item at some point on your journey and you give that to one Pokemon. What I never got with Mega Evolution is that it went on and on about the bond that you have but you could easily just catch something or trade it over and Mega Evolve it straight away provided you have the corresponding stone. It would be good if it was based on the friendship mechanic and you had to have max happiness to use it or something.

Posted by: danG 1st August 2016, 08:07 PM

I do like the Alola forms, makes for a nice change.

The Z-moves seem cool as well, it's definitely better than Mega Evolution which was kinda pointless. Hopefully it doesn't take up a whole move slot though as you can only use it once per battle.

Posted by: Liаm 1st August 2016, 08:14 PM

It definitely won't take up a move slot There's been a lot of speculation about a 5th move slot being added but that was quickly rubbished with leaked screenshots so I think this is where that started from, it's kind of a 5th move but not in the traditional way as it's like not a Charziard could have Flamethrower, Dragon Claw, Sky Attack, Dragon Dance and Thunderpunch, it could have Flamethrower, Dragon Claw, Sky Attack, Dragon Dance and then this Z-Move which I assume will have a little button at the bottom like mega evolution if it's able to be used on the current Pokemon.

Posted by: danG 1st August 2016, 08:20 PM

that makes more sense, and it should also mean a mega-evolved pokemon won't be able to use a Z-move.

Posted by: Cody Collins 1st August 2016, 08:32 PM

Ferrothorn had the Sp. Def stats to counter its 4x weakness to Fire, so there's that. And Weavile has tremendous speed stats which, if used (let alone bred) correctly, can be quite deadly. I could see Alolan Sandslash being a defensive wall like the original had the potential to be but I still feel like it could easily be OHKO'd by Flamethrower/Aura Sphere/Focus Blast. I just feel that it needs more. Alolan Ninetales has OODLES of potential though.

Yeah the Z-moves will end up being something that can be activated in the main battle menu and not be represented in the move slots.

God, Liam, this is giving me MORE anticipation to do a Pokemon type rate!

Posted by: Liаm 1st August 2016, 09:42 PM

Do it tbh it's needed. I think there was one in like 2010 but there's been 2 gens since and another coming up

Posted by: Liаm 2nd August 2016, 02:59 AM

OMG OK THO THESE ARE THE STARTER EVOLTUIONS. Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark, Water/Fairy - three unique start type combos

A youtuber just made me realise that one of the island challenge leaders in Litten's final evolution's leaked concept art from ages ago, people just assumed this was fake but now the girl (circled in the article I retrieved these pics from) in said concept art has cropped up in the trailer too, months after this leak, seemingly verifying it. I mean it could just be a coincidence but aside from just the flower in her hair I think it does look a lot like her... One thing's for sure though this has made it a tough decision, I was set on Rowlett but its evolution is my least favourite of these three... This might not be true still but I think it's too big a coincidence that the girl shows up in a trailer. Also with Ash in the concept art too, could she be the next series of the anime's female companion?

Posted by: Umi 2nd August 2016, 07:38 AM

This is the first I've heard of this but I'd love to see it.

Not sure I can even comment on everything that's been revealed because there was just so much but what an amazing load of information. Everything looks like it'll be fun to try out, even the stuff I'm less convinced on I think will be interesting as a diversion from the norm. The Ninetails and Sandslash though. Soooooo fabulous.

Posted by: Liаm 3rd August 2016, 04:12 PM

Rumour has it there are more Alolan forms coming - a leak that correctly predicted Salandit, Mimikyu's English name and I think the starter evos have said them. These are said to be the Abra line (fighting), Butterfree (Bug/Psychic), Nidoking/Queen (Poison/Fighting), Growlithe line (Water ), Rattata line (Dark) and Doduo line (Fighting/Flying). However it did also say Fire/Fairy for Ninetails so was only half right, although regardless I think some of these are interesting. I am GAGGING for Growlithe to retain it's fire typing alongside Water, that would be so good! I really love this idea more and more as I hear about it, it refreshes Pokemon I'm not fussed on or haven't used for a while and gives me reason to want to use them again.

This is also drawing comparisons to the Orange Islands - remember that Crystal Onix episode?

Posted by: Oliver 3rd August 2016, 04:30 PM

I don't appreciate the shoving of the fighting type down our throats, although I am totally here to have my weave snatched by a water type Growlithe/Arcanine!!

Posted by: Liаm 3rd August 2016, 04:32 PM

I love the idea of a fighting type Alakazam although really it kind of goes against the names being based on magic

Also we're apparently finally getting a snowman Pokemon *.* As well as a ywo stage cat Pokemon that is Normal type when captured but will inherit the fathers primary type as its 2nd type when hatched from an egg and the colour/pattern varies by type.

Posted by: Cody Collins 3rd August 2016, 05:43 PM

Every odd-numbered generation seems to be having a Dark-type early catch now! That Dark Rattata is giving me Poochyena/Purrloin vibes. I am HERE for Water Growlithe and Bug/Psychic Butterfree!

Are they only doing Alolan forms for Gen 1? In this case there needs to be some connection between that and Kanto in the canon.

Posted by: Regina 3rd August 2016, 06:29 PM

Waiting for a new Eevelution tbh, with all these new things there is room for at least 2 new ways to evolve Eevee. I saw a youtuber say that maybe you can have a
poison type one and get it by levelling Eevee when its poisoned, which sounds cool.

Posted by: Liаm 8th August 2016, 03:08 AM

Rumours are now saying that the starters may have more than one final form.... I don't think it's even a branched evolution, there is a full list of what is supposedly all the new Pokemon in the game (just names but from them you can tell some of them match the leaks already given credibility), and they say "fire/various or grass/various or water/various", which matches another which hinted at a sort of branched evolution or potetntially a couple of final form for them. But there is only 3 entries for each starter, so it seems like it might be similar to Oriocorio, same species but it can have different types. I'd say maybe it will be based on the location of evolution but I doubt that, because surely that would mean you'd have to hold off evolving for ages if you wanted a certain type because you'd have to progress to that area in the game. Also Oricorio makes sense to based on location as they follow the Island Trial types (and what are I assume the guardian types - Tapu Koko is electric for MeleMele Island, the first one). Below in spoilers are more detail, but here's a reddit with the list:

http://boards.4chan.org/vp/thread/27595410/sun-moon-pokmon-list

The same source as the starter final evos leak which has a lot of credibility said that there was an ice/ghost snowman, and that's present. We have CoroCoro on Friday which will pretty much prove or disprove the leak. If something revealed in CoroCoro is present on that list, then surely it's real? Because if someone made it up it would have to be a huge coincidence for what they conjured up to appear officially announced Of course by contrast if a Pokemon not on here is revealed then it's definitely fake!

I'll spoiler this as it's probably a bit too far but you can read the list above if you want of course! A summary of some of the most interesting things for me though:

Rowlett's final evo's secondary typing can be either ground/electtric *.*/flying, Litten's can be Dark/Ghost/Poison and Popplio's can be Psychic/Fairy/Fighting. Not sure how they'd make Popplio's siren fighting type.
Some really interesting type combos that are unique or very rare - water, poison and grass all paired with fire *.* Poison/Fairy, Dark/Electric, Fighting/Dragon and Steel/Dragon are also all very cool!
A few branched evos it seems - including Bounsweet which can either be grass/psychic or pure poison. Although it may be that the poison one is just related and can't evolve, only the "sweet" berries can, that seems plausible also compared to it completely changing type?
Lots of dual types in general - there are only a handful of fully evolved singe type pokemon. That puts a bit of doubt in my mind - it seems a bit idealistic to have all these cool new type combos.
Wimpod and Salandit are stage 2 of 3, and Drampa has a pre-evo.
Most of the newbies are related by evolution etc, there are inly a handful of standalones, including Bewear. Komala actually does have an evoultion


There is a lot in this leak that makes me a bit suspicious that it is fake but I like to speculate And like I said, CoroCoro could make or break this leak on Friday *CoroCoro ends up having no new Pokemon news*). All in all I really like the idea of a lot of the types and what I'm imagining from the names so I'm not mad if this is real.

Posted by: Cody Collins 8th August 2016, 05:13 PM

If the leaks are confirmed then that still follows the trend of there being at least 100 or so new Pokemon per region, and if there's 150-200 in the regional Pokedex like previous games (Kalos being the only outlier), then we could be seeing another 50+ Alolan forms. This regional Pokedex will also have the most evolutionary families according to http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/08/pokemon-sun-moon-may-feature-100-new-creatures.html

All the leaks seem to be adding up...

Posted by: Liаm 8th August 2016, 06:06 PM

This may also support there being a lack of Mega Evolutions in the game as some theorise! I think the reason for so few new Pokemon compared to other gens was that they had new Megas, but this time perhaps they've rightfully channelled energy into new Pokemon and Alola forms to refresh old ones!


Also we've seen the likes of Ledyba, Pichu and Pikachu in the trailer so I don't think there'll be quite that many Alola forms, but there'll definitely be a few more (the leaked list probabl isn't exhaustive). But I am loving all this new stuff to try and refresh things 20 years in. I'd love them to do new games maybe way in the future where the regions we know have different climates, so they could refresh whole Pokedexes worth of Pokemon with Alola Form esque reinventions? It's kinda gonna get to the point where they can't keep making new Pokemon all the time I guess

Gah can CoroCoro just leak

Posted by: Cody Collins 9th August 2016, 05:28 AM

They should be doing more with Ledyba/Ledian. Give it an aesthetic boost for Alola.

Posted by: 152chris 9th August 2016, 10:33 AM

i'm so mad i'm gonna have to buy a 3DS for this

Posted by: Liаm 9th August 2016, 12:57 PM

Ok CoroCoro has leaked and that list I posted above is proven fake because CoroCoro has a ghost/ground sandcastle thing with two stages, a pre-evolution for Bewear, and a stand alone water type fish that has a forme change that looks like a school of fish masquerading as one large fish. None of those were on the leak I was hoping it was real although I wasn't 100% for various reasons, it did seem a bit idealistic with lots of evolutionary families and unique or rare typings. I really loved the idea of multiple typings for the starter evos though.

We also have Alolan Meowth and Alolan Marowak revealed. The former is a dark type and the latter is fire/ghost.

Posted by: Oliver 9th August 2016, 05:56 PM

A fire/ghost Marowak?!?!

f*** all these new Pokemon, I'mma have me a team of Alohan gen 1s.

Posted by: Cody Collins 9th August 2016, 06:28 PM

I'm HERE for witch doctor Marowak.

Posted by: Cody Collins 10th August 2016, 12:28 AM

Btw Bulbapedia only shows the Japanese names for:
• the Bewear pre-evolution
• the sandcastle Pokemon
• the fish Pokemon with a swarm form

so keep your eyes peeled for another leak with the English names

Posted by: Liаm 10th August 2016, 01:33 PM

They're all, or at least some of them, being revealed on Friday, I think we're getting videos again from the Pokemon channel I saw but icr where. Must have been someone on YouTube I think!

Posted by: Liаm 11th August 2016, 03:53 AM

THE TRAILER LEAKED AND HOLY f***

Posted by: Cody Collins 11th August 2016, 06:20 AM

I had a FEELING this was gonna happen wth Pikachu in Alola

Why tf is it basically a mix of Dedenne and Surfing Pikachu

Wishiwashi is looking pretty good, it's like what Basculin could have been like if it wasn't so much of a Carvanha reject

Posted by: Oliver 11th August 2016, 10:22 AM

Well at the minute, a team of...

Arcanine - Water
Raichu - Electric/Psychic
Exeggutor - Grass/Dragon
Ninetails - Ice/Fairy
Marowak - Fire/Ghost

...is looking pretty tasty. Just need like a new ground/rock/steel type and I'll be set with my Gen 1 team!

Posted by: 152chris 11th August 2016, 01:33 PM

srsly has anyone got an old 3ds they wanna sell me ? will throw in a rate 11 too

Posted by: Cody Collins 11th August 2016, 02:01 PM

What if Arcanine/Ninetales are game-exclusive like in Gen 1?

Posted by: Liаm 11th August 2016, 02:03 PM

Pokemon Bank/GTS

I'm getting both versions so I can use all the Pokemn I'll want, it's looking like there'll be a lot of choice!

Posted by: Hayzayy 11th August 2016, 02:08 PM

Alola Raichu looks SUPERB

Posted by: Cody Collins 11th August 2016, 03:00 PM

Apparently Surge Surfer means Raichu's speed is doubled when Electric Terrain is used.

Posted by: Cody Raisman 15th August 2016, 12:12 AM

We have leaks!

http://segmentnext.com/2016/08/13/pokemon-sun-moon-info-leak/

Posted by: Liаm 15th August 2016, 12:27 AM

Ooh the post game sounds better this time! That was one really shit thing about XY, there was practically nothing post game apart from the Mewtwo, the frankly quite boring Looker stuff and Kiloude City, so I found myself missing the likes of the Battle Frontier and the second part of Unova, especially when you compared XY's lack of anything to the amazing Delta Episode in ORAS. The branched evolutions for Rockruff and Salandit sound cool too! Also a VERY good amount of new Pokemon, and I'm counting Alolan formes in that really as they are breathing new air to old Pokemon. That's nearly as much as Unova and the same amount as the original 151, and I know it's just a number and maybe a coincidence but it may be a nice little Easter egg touch that references the original games for the 20th anniversary,

Ugh at Megas being a thing too, I mean I guess it was too much for them to just completely abolish them for this game though

Posted by: Cody Raisman 19th August 2016, 01:04 AM

I don't know how to feel about this



There should also be news surrounding gameplay demos later on today

Posted by: Liаm 19th August 2016, 01:08 AM

There was already the gameplay demo, it was disappointing af. I watched an hour and a half live stream and it was just that Battle Royale thing, all it gave away was that Mimikyu doesn't have its disguise thing off when you attack it, it just flops down Then they had someone dressed as a Pikachu and having coloured thrown at it?! And then they showed that trailer but in German bc it was a German thing. They could at least have had new Pokemon in the Battle Royale

Turtanator (that name tho...) just seems like a kind of meh single stage Pokemon that doesn't really have enough viability to use be competitively and will be outclassed even in game, like Druddigon or Heatmor.

Posted by: Cody Raisman 19th August 2016, 04:27 AM

I felt that there was more of a demo during E3. This was more of a "let's show non-Pokemon fans why they should get into this foray", which for the rest of us is a bit redundant.

Mimikyu's ability has already been established during its feature trailer.

Overall... *shrugs* I don't know but we might be getting something huge in September like the Alolan forms this month.

Posted by: Liаm 19th August 2016, 09:41 PM

Oh there were new Pokemon revealed at the World Championships today, well one, a boxing crab thing. The others are the ghost/ground sandcastles and Bewear's pre-evo Stufful, which both leaked in CoroCoro ofc.

All of them in the recent tweets https://twitter.com/Pokemon

Posted by: Cody Raisman 19th August 2016, 10:18 PM

I spy Shellder and Gengar

Palossand seems good but I think we'll have to wait until we know its stats to know if it will get outclassed by Golurk (not that there's much really)

Posted by: Umi 19th August 2016, 10:24 PM

The boxing crab is so hideous and tacky! Least favourite design of the generation by far alongside the bear. Fire dragon turtle is not really for me but it's pretty cool regardless.

Posted by: Liаm 19th August 2016, 10:28 PM

Palossand seems more special than Golurk I can imagine, using like Sand Tomb, Earth Power and Shadow Ball rather than the punching moves or Earthquake Golurk might use. I agree about Crabrawler though, just crap all around. I just don't get why they felt the intense need to mix a crab and a boxer, it's just a really crap lazy design and even the name is shit.

Oh also there was a trailer with said Pokemon:

Posted by: Cody Raisman 19th August 2016, 10:41 PM

They mixed and crab and a boxer and didn't even bother giving it the Water type :eyes:

Posted by: Liаm 24th August 2016, 08:37 PM

Might get this Pokemon rate started in the next few days, I want something to do before I go back to uni I don't think it really needs two people involved until results Cody if you want to help then? :

Posted by: Cody Raisman 24th August 2016, 08:51 PM

Defo! (I say we also add our personal favorite Pokemon per type)

Posted by: Cody's Glory 27th August 2016, 06:07 PM

Welp the Japanese site just updated the Alolan Pokedex

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon/pokemon/

SEETHING.

Posted by: Atonement 27th August 2016, 06:27 PM

What about the sandcastles!!!

I wanna poke my eyes out when I see those.

Posted by: Cody's Glory 27th August 2016, 06:30 PM

At least they're creative, the boxing crab just looks like a painted over Crawdaunt

Posted by: Liаm 30th August 2016, 04:36 AM

I love the sandcastles, I like inanimate object Pokemon. It shows new ideas and new directions for Pokemon, and I'd rather have a bunch of keys, a sandcastle or a stuffed teddy bear than some of the earlier gen awful designs like say Dugtrio being literally just 3 Diglett joined together looking a bit hostile and Voltorb/Electrode being just a Pokeball with a face With inanimate objects, the possibilities are endless and I love being shocked, surprised and enamoured by how they manage to make weird objects and things into really good Pokemon I just love the creativity that goes into making little backstories and lore for such Pokemon, for example how Klefki is based on a pagan custom of blaming missing things on pixies, so that's why it's fairy. It's little things like that I love.

Latest Alolan Form rumours:

- Grass/Fairy Paras and Parasect, infected by Morelull.
- Rock/Fire Golem
- Fire Koffing and Weezing, they are uncontaminated
- Ground Grimer and Muk, also uncontaminated
- Solrock and Lunatone have new forms with the same ability as Minior (which if you haven't seen, is basically a bit like Mimmikyu's in that when it's attacked its "disguise", in this case it's rocky shell, comes off and you see a gem looking sort of thing inside of it, perhaps it's like a normal Lunatone/Solrock but with a fragile shell that breaks if you attack it and it'll be like fire inside of Solrock and Ice inside of Lunatone maybe)

These are seem very plausible, especially with Morelull being mentioned for Paras/Parasect, it just seems like a good backstory. BUT I feel like they are too good to be true, because of the Koffing and Grimer lines. Weezing being fire has always being touted as a Mega option and Grimer/Muk had Delta forms in a fan game that were ground type and there has been a lot of buzz around those. So it feels like it's just somebody running away with something they desperately want to be true, but we'll see

Posted by: Cody's Glory 1st September 2016, 02:15 PM

Snorlax has its own Z-Move now!

Posted by: Liаm 1st September 2016, 02:52 PM

Z Moves seem a tad OP, especially on a Snorlax for example I'm not sure it's a concept I love, like Mega Evolution it just seems to make things way too easy but maybe the games are way harder and need these! At least all Pokemon can use them so you can give weaker ones a boost.

I'm guessing "purchasing early" means pre-order, I might pre-order one of them when I get my student loan and then buy the other when it comes out.

Posted by: Liаm 6th September 2016, 03:41 PM

"Type: Null" what a weird name I thought for a second it was a video error they'd messed up Nothing too amazing from this video really but a few nice story tidbits, and a couple of new Pokemon. I'm guessing Type: Null is a Porygon-esque artificial Pokemon and I'm intrigued about this ultra beast thing, maybe it's just a name for legendary trio, actually the jelly fish looking thing looks kinda artificial too.

Posted by: Liаm 12th September 2016, 06:10 PM

Rockruff has been revealed to have day and night evolutions, and the credible Chinese source has said that Rockruff and the starters have something in common, so it's theorised that the starters do have two possible evolutions - one for day and one for night. It would make sense, somewhat, as Rockruff seems to have been pegged as key to the promotion of Sun and Moon perhaps because of the day and night evoltuions, so they're probably going to be utilising that a lot more in the new games. Tbh though the Rockruff evolution kind of look like form changes rather than a totally split evolution such as Gloom into Vileplume/Bellossom, so the changes may just be aesthetic for the starters because I've heard that banded about. I expect Rockruff will gain a typing in addition to Rock, probably Dark for night and maybe Fairy for day.

Posted by: The Codemeister 12th September 2016, 07:06 PM

I think maybe it's just one evolution but day and night forms, so a different typing and look for if you evolve it during the day and likewise if you evolve it during the night

Posted by: The Codemeister 15th September 2016, 12:03 AM

Posted by: The Codemeister 20th September 2016, 03:32 PM

And here they are! Both evolutions are game-exclusive.



Kinda disappointing that they're both still Rock-type but I think the move pools will be drastically different.
YAAAAS #psychiccody

And this is even more confirmation that the starters will get the same thing: a game-exclusive evolution with requirements depending on the time of day.

Posted by: Oliver 4th October 2016, 04:23 PM

Posted by: Liаm 4th October 2016, 04:42 PM

I'm choosing Popplio after that *.* I rarely choose Water first so it'll be a nice change.

Posted by: Cody Hough 4th October 2016, 07:22 PM

MEGAS THO :') at least there won't be any new ones

Posted by: 24k Cody 14th October 2016, 08:05 PM

HYPE FOR KOMMO-O.

Posted by: 24k Cody 19th October 2016, 05:46 PM

Demo is out!

What do people think of Ash-Greninja

Posted by: Liаm 19th October 2016, 10:15 PM

The demo was boring af. Ash-Greninja can gtfo. I get the horrible feeling they're moving more towards kids who casually watch the anime with this gen and I hope that doesn't marr it for the fans.

I am still excited for the game though because the ORAS demo was boring af too, it was just to get a feel for the scope of the game which was so there!

Posted by: 24k Cody 21st October 2016, 02:41 PM

I did hear that the Ash-Greninja thing was separate from the actual storyline so yaaaay

Posted by: Oliver 21st October 2016, 03:21 PM

The leaked final starter evolutions seem to be true!

Posted by: 24k Cody 21st October 2016, 10:09 PM

Oh god

Are we getting another Fire/Fighting

Posted by: Oliver 26th October 2016, 12:23 PM

It's why I refuse to choose the fire starter now, Blaziken was unique at the time but now it's just overkill.

Gonna get this for when I'm on the plane to Iceland, should kill the two hour flights and then my life up until Christmas.

Posted by: Cody Krueger 27th October 2016, 01:23 PM

This might be the best batch of final evolutions since Hoenn. FIRE/DARK. HELL YES.

Posted by: Dannoween 27th October 2016, 04:30 PM

Grass/Ghost, Fire/Dark and Water/Fairy are definitely refreshing typings for final-evolution starters. Though we already do have Trevenant as a good grass-ghost type.

Should I get Sun or Moon though is the next question, what do people think's better?

Posted by: Toby G 27th October 2016, 04:38 PM

that alolan dugtrio .........

Posted by: Liаm 27th October 2016, 04:50 PM

There doesn't have to be just one of each type combo, there's already Azumarill for Water/Fairy and Houndoom for Fire/Dark I like the refreshing types too though, when the starter evos leaked I was dreading yet another Fire/Fighting from the way Litten's final form looks but Dark is much better. I suppose is too with fighting dirty and tricky.

I am 100% choosing Popplio though, it's beautiful and I don't tend to take to many water types so it's nice to be able to have one right off the bat, especially with how OP Fairy can be at times as well. I am planning to get Sun and Moon tbh, so I'll probably choose Rowlett for my "secondary" game which will probably be Moon.

Posted by: Liаm 9th November 2016, 01:44 AM

Someone's got the whole game and it's been datamined, so spoilers below but just some interesting bits about stats and potential becasue I wanted to look at that:

The starters are all kinda slow; but my decision to go with Primarina is solidified now as it has amazing Sp Atk *.* Actually there seem to be a lot of slow Pokemon this gen.
Wishiwashi has the lowest base stat total ever - 175 which is 5 less than Sunkern! But its school form has 620, which I believe is the highest of any non-Slaking legendary or Mega.
Mudsdale is gonna be tanky af, it already had 100 base defence combined with the Stamina ability.
Crabrawler's evolution is Ice/Fighting, which gives it something interesting I guess.
Salandit is this gen's Combee - it only evolves into Salazzle if female but has a 7:1 male to female ratio... I hope it's easier to obtain than Combee was in Sinnoh because it was gonna be my Fire type :/
Wimpod is basically a bug Magikarp, useless and only learns two level up moves but its evolution Golispod gives it a +200 BST and a very good movepool.
Silvally has 95 in each stat, and I think its line might be event only like Zorua/Zororak, which is a shame as it'd be good to use.
Togedemaru has the best stats of a Pikachu clone, only slightly more than Dedenne though.
Mimikkyu has pretty bad Sp Atk but is other decent, it's very specially defensive. It learns Wood Hammer oddly, as well as decent physical attacks like Play Rough, Shadow Claw and Feint Attack.
The weird anchor thing is called Dhelmsie and is very good all around except for speed, it's ghost and grass. Potential team member for me, it has a very good movepool.
Zygarde 100% is second only to Arceus in BST, with 708.
Cosmog can't do anything, it just has splash and teleport and a woeful 200 BST so it's more to do with story but I won't spoil that.
Cosmoem is similar, it has Cosmic Power instead of Splash though and a BST of 400 because it has huge defences.
Solgaleo and Lunaala both have 680 BST.
Marshadow is not a dolphin as speculated, it's a little ghosty thing which is part Fighting, it has 600 BST as does Magearna.
I'm disappointed there are no out there type combos like Fire/Grass or a proper Fire/Water type that isn't legendary.


Ultra beasts:
Their names are Nihlego (Rock/Poison, the jellyfish one), Buzzwole (Bug/Fighting, the big muscly one), Phermosa (Bug/Fighting, the female looking one which is the other form of Buzzwole for Moon), Xurkitree (Electric, a thing that looks lik e its made of plug wires with fuzzy grey "hair"), Celestia (Steel/Flying, a weird thing that has two floating arms.. god knows what it is), Katarna (Grass/Steel, a little blade thing), Guzzlord (Dark/Dragon, a massive mouth thing with claws), Necrozma (Psychic, a black kind of vaguely humanoid metal looking thing, I think it's the "main" Ultra Beast or leader as it has 600 BST but the others have 570.)
THey all have the ability "Beast Boost" which boosts their best stat when they knock out a Pokemon, except Necrozma who has Prism Armor which makes super effective hits on it deal less damage.
I have to say I expected more from Ultra Beasts, for them to have less base stats than (or the same as in Necrozma's case) a pseudo-legendary is a bit eh. I thought they'd have like 700+ BST, unique moves and be like a true boss!

Alolan forms:
They have the same BSTs in most cases, but some stats are swapped just slightly. Dugtrio is a notable exception, it has a 20 point increase because of increased defences and attack. It's secondary type is STEEL The hair is supposed to be some sort of metallic substance to do with it burrowing in magma or something.
Geodude is rock/electric. It can have a new ability (only hidden) called Galvanise which is basically electric type Pixilate/Normalize.



I think my team inititally will be Primarina, Vikavolt, Salazzle, Mimmikyu, an Alolan form or two (tbh the only ones I'm THAT interested in is Vulpix :/), maybe Dhelmsie/Kommo-o/Golispod/Tsarina, it depends when and where they are available I guess. I doubt I will use any old Pokemon unless my choices are available too late in the game or something.

Posted by: Cody Slayberry 14th November 2016, 06:18 PM

Last trailer before release!!

Posted by: Aaron. 17th November 2016, 12:56 PM

Did/Has/Will anyone download a Digital Copy?

I downloaded Digitally since X/Y - super convenient.
This year you can pre-order and the game actually pre-loads to your 3DS. All you need to do when the game is live is download a small patch to unlock the game.
You get a bonus of a few Quick Balls and a Muchlax with something to help him get the Z Move or whatever.
The only shitty thing was it took almost 1 1/2 hours to download on my device. I have the highest speed of internet you can get in Canada and it still took that long, I couldn't imagine how long it would take for someone with a slower internet. But again. Pretty much from 10 PM tomorrow night I can start playing.

Posted by: Liаm 17th November 2016, 02:36 PM

We get it next week </3 Can we keep story spoilers out of this thread til then please just in case That's the one thing I haven't ruined for myself!

Posted by: Aaron. 18th November 2016, 06:37 PM

Anyone playing this?
I'm a few hours in and I have to say I'm really disappointed. The story at the beginning is very slow to kick off, and it's almost like they're holding your hand a guiding you the entire time. Seems like a very amateur game geared towards newcomers to Pokemon over people who have been playing for years.

Posted by: Liаm 23rd November 2016, 10:20 AM

Today's the day *.* My pre-order should be here by the time I'm back from lecture but I probably won't play until tomorrow evening because I have work due in at midday tomorrow that I'm behind on and then a 3 hour lecture :/

Posted by: Aaron. 23rd November 2016, 12:49 PM

Have Fun!
I know I said the beginning was very boring/childish - but, it does really start to pick up. I'm on the third island currently.

Posted by: Liаm 25th November 2016, 12:39 AM

I've just done the first trial and yeah it's quite annoyingly childish so far, I totally agree they really hold your hand. Like Z Moves aren't rocket science why do you need a whole tutorial for it?

I love the scope of it though and I have heard it picks up which is good, the start of pokemon games is always quite tedious! I was saying to my friend yesterday, it's 2016 why can't we have skippable tutorials, or when you start a new game pick if you're a novice and want help or if you don't need it.

Posted by: Danvember 25th November 2016, 10:19 AM

I've ordered my copy of Sun now, hopefully it's as good as it looks.

(that's annoying if you still can't skip the tutorials :/ but at least they've removed HM moves yas)

Posted by: Liаm 25th November 2016, 10:41 AM

It's already picking up imo,


Z Moves are just pointless though, a worse addition than Mega Evolution but in a different way Megas are a competitive gamebreaker and whilst Z Moves aren't as bad they seem to one hit KO everything when they're done to you so it makes Trial Leaders etc kinda OP. it just feels like they tried to emulate Mega Evolution without copying it and it's just kinda stupid, I'd say I won't use them but apparently the game has a difficulty curve so it may be necessary in later trials or ones where the type advantage isn't there etc.

Posted by: Aquamaqueesha 25th November 2016, 05:06 PM

stanning for chargabug*.* what a f***ing queen

Posted by: Dircadirca 25th November 2016, 05:41 PM

Thought it was time to get up to speed so I've finally started playing Pokemon X which I bought ages ago. Hopefully will be able to catch up to everyone else by the end of the holidays

Posted by: Aquamaqueesha 25th November 2016, 06:15 PM

so there's a straight street but no bent street. what kind of homophobia

Posted by: Aquamaqueesha 27th November 2016, 01:06 AM

THAT f***ING LURANTIS TRIAL

Posted by: Liаm 27th November 2016, 03:21 AM

omg i f***ing know I still can't do it...

Posted by: Liаm 1st December 2016, 03:29 AM

Lillie is the single greatest character in any Pokemon video game. Ever.

Posted by: Aaron. 23rd December 2016, 10:56 PM

Just only now reluctantly finishing this.
I have to say, this was probably my least favorite Pokemon Game yet.
The visuals were great. They really outdid themselves there. That was it for me.

The only island that was any good was the Third, and only because by that point they stop holding your hand.
Island 4 was way too short. Plus. Caves.

The most frustrating part was after you defeat the Elite 4 + Kukui, it doesn't stop or allow you to save. You're basically forced into the post game celebration and catching (or defeating) Tapu Koko, more celebration, next day, Lillie leaving.. ect. That mixed with the Credits was about 45 minutes where you have no idea if your game has saved since before battling Kukui.

I know everyone thinks Lillie is a goddess. I think she's a basic bitch.
That whole storyline with her mother was boring AF. Got dark towards the end and not really the ending you'd expect from a Pokemon Game.

Professor Kukui is a stud tho. Yes plz.

Won't be revisiting this one. Nothing from the Post-Game events looks interesting either.

Posted by: Liаm 23rd December 2016, 11:21 PM

I finished a week or two ago, I enjoyed it! There is a bit too much hand holding, you'd think 2016 there'd be an option where you put your name etc. to say you've played Pokemon and don't need guidance every 2 minutes. It was probably a bit too easy, I was underlevelled for the league and had 0 problems, but that was a problem last gen 2. The little tweaks and changes they made for pretty much all for the better. The thing I don't like is post game, I'm never that fussed about collecting the legendaries, although I did do the UBs as they're something different. The Battle Tree can get f***ed too, the whole game is so easy and then it's impossible to get more than about 8 wins in that because they all have like pseudo legendaries with 360 coverage I know that the likes of the Battle Maison is too easy when you have people using Weedles and shit that you obliterate with Charizard but this was too far in the other direction. I dread to think what the Super round is like, I made sure I had a balanced team of 3 or 4 for it and still they always had some sort of sweeper that just obliterated everything by like battle 9. Apparently Battle Royales are even worse because people have legendaries but I haven't tried those except for the one they made you do.

My in-game team in the end was Primarina, Mimikyu, Toucannon, Mudsdale, Salazzle and Vikavolt. Mimikyu, Toucannon and Mudsdale are AMAZING, Mimikyu one-shot the last Totem Pokemon who everyone was moaning about Toucannon is by far the best generational bird ever, Skill Link is an amazing ability and it gives it variety and coverage as it can use Bullet Seed and Rock Blast with 125 base power, it was so refreshing compared to the usual normal/flying shit you just stick Fly on (although Talonflame was different too, I just wasn't a fan). Mudsdale is bulky af, the ability is a god send. In game I don't think it fainted even once, it goes down to a strong special attacker if it's a super effective hit in the Battle Tree but as above that's just ridiculously hard. Primarina is solid too but I didn't find it my MVP. I got the Steenee you trade a Granbull for in Seafolk Town too for a Tsareena for the Battle Tree and I think I'll definitely use Tsareena in my next playthrough, it's a beast. I also want to use Alolan Golem, Ribombee, Palossand, Bewear and Wishiwashi in future playthroughs, also maybe Dhelmise but I cba with the 1% encounter rate (even in the bubbling patches it's 10% but they always vanish straight away).


Also forget Kukui, the male swimmer trainers *.*

Posted by: Aaron. 24th December 2016, 12:07 AM

My team end game was Incineroar, Snorlax, Kangaskhan, Bewear, Lunala and Vikavolt.
I ended up switching out Salazzle and Palossand from my team last minute in favor of Bewear and Lunala to train them up.
In all honesty, I only used Icineroar, Snorlax and Kangskhan to defeat the Elite 4.

I caught a Mudbray earlier in the game but my team was full, definately a pokemon I may want to breed and hatch. Same with Crabdrawler.
I can't believe I waited all that time for Vikavolt to evolve and it ended up being one of the weaker members of my team. Such a disappointment.

Posted by: Danta Claus 24th December 2016, 09:45 AM

Haven't completed the game but I've got Incineroar, Toucannon, Lilligant and Mudsdale on my team who are all amazing!

(Also Gyarados and Haunter to make up six)

Posted by: Liаm 6th June 2017, 02:31 PM

They've just announced Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, to be released November 17th for the 3DS Idk if it's gonna be a proper sequel like Black and White 2, or one like Platinum, preferably the former and the fact they're paired suggests that maybe? Idk, it'd be a bit disappointing if it was a Platinum like sequel just a year after release, as Platinum took 2 years to come out. I assume as Sun and Moon was so story driven, there'll be a different one for the sequel at least, I loved Sun and Moon but I don't particularly want to play through it again just yet as it was such a story driven game I'd feel bored watching it all transpire again unless I did a randomizer of it lmao but then you have to buy the stuff to be able to patch it. All we've seen is that the box legendaries have new forms like Primal Groudon and Kyogre, and that there is an "alternate story", hopefully we get new Megas or Alolan Forms but I highly doubt it, because that'll cause connectivity problems with the first versions. I expect there'll be an even wider range of Pokemon available and a slightly different story but nothing too drastic.

They're also doing Gold and Silver on the virtual console Gen II is the f***ing worst. That comes out on September 22, the same day as Pokken Tournament's deluxe edition for the Switch.

Posted by: Cody S. Berry 6th June 2017, 06:22 PM

I think from a live stream that I was watching the "alternative story" might be Gym Leaders? Would love a "back to basics" kind of feel.

Also the "Pokémon you've never seen before" is probably referring to both Alolan forms and maybe some Pokémon that were cut from the beta?

Posted by: Cody S. Berry 6th June 2017, 06:22 PM

btw this is the Pokken tournament DX/Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon trailer

Posted by: Aaron. 6th June 2017, 06:23 PM

I'll take a pass, unless there's significant changes (mostly, being the story and it being so drawn out).

Posted by: Liаm 6th June 2017, 06:39 PM

The "you've never seen before" will probably just be the alternate forms of the box legendaries lmao, they never add new Pokemon in 3rd versions because of the connectivity issues but they could easily patch that in with an update really, or just have it so you just can't connecct to SuMo if you battle with or trade those Pokemon.

I can imagine gym leaders, with the two universes thing and darkness/space, it'll be an alternate reality sort of thing where if they had gyms all along, idk Hopefully there's more in CoroCoro this month or next. Perhaps the trial leaders will have different types and stuff and the Totems will be different to fit the alternate reality thing?

Posted by: Cody S. Berry 6th June 2017, 07:46 PM

gen 7 megas are always a possibility

can you imagine mega primarina tho it would be EPIC

Posted by: Liаm 6th June 2017, 08:42 PM

I'd love if, being an alternate reality, the Pokemon had like opposite typings but ofc that would never happen, it'd be way too much work to re-type Pokemon, it'd be like creating a whole new Pokedex which would take years rather than just the one year

Tbh an different story is fine for me, because I don't feel like I'd replay Sun and Moon that often because it's so story driven that there are huge portions that are so boring when you replay, which I don't feel with pretty much all the main series games. So I don't mind its not a direct sequel as a different story will just mean it's like playing through SuMo again but in a fresher way.

Posted by: Cody S. Berry 7th June 2017, 12:09 AM

I think it's more that it takes too much time and money developing new sprites whereas with Megas and Alolan forms the original sprites can be altered (not taking to account Shinies and gender differences), and even if they did have enough money, there was also a matter of space. So they could have made more Alolan forms and alternative types (like Lycanroc), but their data weren't used for SuMo. Did they do this with Platinum? I forget

Still thinking the Gen 7 starters will get Megas though

Posted by: Liаm 7th June 2017, 02:16 AM

Platinum was different, in Diamond and Peal you could get the new late-Pokedex evolutions like Leafeon, Glaceon, Rhyperior so they were coded into the game, so they weren't new to that "sequel", but you couldn't get them until after the league with the PokeRadar thing whereas in Platinum you could get, for example, Eevee in the main playthrough which was one of the differences. I expect an even wider range of Pokemon will be something we see in the sequel and SuMo was already great for that imo.

Sadly we know everything that was in Sun & Moon because people can data mine for whatever is in the game's files, for example Marshadow wasn't revealed and wasn't available but we knew it existed because of data mining. Megas are different though because you can't trade or transfer the stones, so I definitely think new Megas are likely. So, like the gen 3 remakes had Megas you couldn't get or trade to X and Y, there will probably be new ones you can only have on Ultra Sun and Moon. Of course they could just code in new pokemon or Alolan Forms and have it so that you get stopped from trading them to SuMo, but they've never done it before so I'm hesitant to think it'd happen this time, whereas Megas can easily be restricted to the one game because you aren't allowed to trade the stones between games so for example you can't have Mega Altaria in X&Y. Perhaps in the "alternate" storyline, Mega Evolution will be much more of a thing that you get in the main story rather than it just being farted out in the post game as an aside That would be a good way to change up the story a bit.

Posted by: Liаm 1st July 2017, 02:27 AM

First Ultra Sun and Moon rumours ahoy, take with a pinch of salt ofc as we never got the Water Arcanine or Fighting Alakazam for example but:

New Pokemon WILL be in the regional dex, some Pokemon with different forms - for example there is a ballet Oricorio form that is Ice/Flying and other Oricorio forms will feature too.
New Alolan forms, this time focusing on Johto Pokemon. Bellossom (Poison/Fairy), Xatu, Remoraid line (Water/Steel) and Hoppip line (Grass/Steel) are getting Alolan forms.

Posted by: Liаm 18th July 2017, 12:56 AM

LILLIE IS APPARENTLY THE RIVAL RIP ME, QUEEN



Also there is meant to be Ice type Slugma line, Ground Snubbul, Ground/Fighting Granbull, Steel/Poison Qwilfish, Poison/Dark gangster form Salazzle, Ghost/Dark horror form Mimikyu and a new thing called Z-Abilities that can't stack with Z-Moves. Not really interested in any of those lot apart from Mimikyu, Salazzle being fire was it's whole cool thing really but Mimikyu could be interesting - could horror form be what's under the cloak?

Posted by: Cody Rance 18th July 2017, 12:59 AM

I've been hearing word about Johto Pokémon getting Alolan formsand that should be interesting. They could have picked a different type for Slugma though? Like liquid ice doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Oliver 18th July 2017, 07:22 AM

The water Arcanine rumour ruined it for me, was so hyped for it and when it wasn't true I lost interest (still haven't got the first badge)!

Posted by: Dexton 18th July 2017, 07:36 AM

Liquid Ice = Water

Posted by: Liаm 18th July 2017, 11:37 AM

Maybe it's not liquid it could be solid and still look the same?

Posted by: Cody Rance 18th July 2017, 05:18 PM

Jell-O shots teas

Posted by: Cody Lukasiak 13th September 2017, 10:16 PM

NEW ULTRA BEASTS *.*

Posted by: Liаm 13th September 2017, 10:22 PM

I hope there's new actual pokemon i cba with Poundland Nihlego lmao

Posted by: Liаm 13th September 2017, 11:05 PM

Omg tho it looks like Lt. Surge's gym that Ryuki is standing in just befoe the Alolan Vulpix on the table is shown... KANTO PLZ

(it won't be it'll just be a homage lmao like there's probably gonna be gyms so one will be like Surge's)

Posted by: Liаm 6th January 2018, 06:26 PM

Anone got Ultra Sun or moon?

Tbh I found it much better than Sun and Moon just for the slight enhancements, I preferred the story when they did change it, the trials seemed that bit harder (I know totem Lurantis was a c**t anyway but there were a few more too, THE f***ING MIMMIKYU THIS TIME DEAR LORD) and the little interactive things all built up to make it much better. It was such simple or small things seemingly, such as different SOS Pokemon for the totems that made it a bit more challenging as Sun and Moon was SO easy, it's not hard really obviously but Pokemon seldom is.

Posted by: Oliver 7th January 2018, 10:34 AM

I've not played Ultra yet but I was a bit disappointed with the difficulty level in the originals, as you said it was so goddamn easy. I know they are obviously now trying to cater to a new generation of Pokemon players but honestly it was like they were trying to hold my hand for way longer than necessary.

For the next one I think if they are going to continue with the eased difficulty they should bring in actual modes, which slightly alter the levels and movesets of enemy Pokemon and trainers to make it a bit more challenging.

Posted by: Liаm 7th January 2018, 03:34 PM

It still is a bit too child friendly tbh but at least the totems were something. Like the first game they do hold your hand for the entire first island but it's not so bad once you've done that, but there is the little things like signposting EVERYTHING that still feels a tad patronising at times. It's far from impossible or as hard as some of the "boss" encounters in other games, but better than nothing. I agree they should have difficulty modes, it's ridiculous that in over 20 years of the series only once has there been that option and that was when you'd completed Black and White 2 in the first place! Tonnes and tonnes of other games do it so I don't know why Pokemon can't. It's almost selling out a bit, there's all these fans who have been there for ages and grown up with it who'll buy every game but they pander to the kids market.