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 Next Labour leader, Who do you think should be the next leader. |
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 15th December 2019, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Dec 14 2019, 11:27 PM)  As I've said in the other thread, the ideal candidate should be someone who is not intrinsically linked to the Corbyn project i.e didn't serve in his Shadow Cabinet or wasn't as prominent in it, represents a constituency in the North, preferably in a town rather than a university city (and definitely not in London), is able to build bridges to the more conservative-minded working class voters Labour lost in this year's election, and of course, should preferably be Catholic. I was surprised to learn that Rebecca Long-Bailey, one of the possible front-runners, matches at least two of those requirements (although not what I would deem the most important one). One candidate that fitted the bill when I looked in to it was Conor McGinn. He represents a northern town (St. Helens), famous fell out with Jeremy Corbyn after Coybyn allegedly threatened to phone his father, and of course is Catholic. One potential drawback is that his father was a Sinn Fein councilor - given the scrutiny that Corbyn got for his links to the IRA, McGinn being leader would open many cans of worms. |
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15th December 2019, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Dec 15 2019, 10:35 AM) Oooooh, Je-re-my Cor-byn. Never heard that |
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15th December 2019, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 15 2019, 11:31 AM) Never heard that Me neither and I know the song well. |
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15th December 2019, 11:36 AM
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If you thought that the cult of Corbyn was bad, the cult of Jess Phillips may be even worse! |
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15th December 2019, 12:03 PM
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I am currently rather ambivalent about the Labour leadership. I expect to form a stronger opinion on who I want when the frontrunners emerge, though either Starmer or Rayner seem okay at this point.
The one thing you can't say about Jess Phillips is that she wouldn't be boring or dull and we certainly need a charismatic candidate. At times she can really attract a rather violent type of hate though. It might be the difference needed. |
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15th December 2019, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(Holly and Izzy @ Dec 15 2019, 12:03 PM) I am currently rather ambivalent about the Labour leadership. I expect to form a stronger opinion on who I want when the frontrunners emerge, though either Starmer or Rayner seem okay at this point. The one thing you can't say about Jess Phillips is that she wouldn't be boring or dull and we certainly need a charismatic candidate. At times she can really attract a rather violent type of hate though. It might be the difference needed. The problem with Jess Phillips is she isn't going to be a unifying leader at all — there is a large percentage of the membership base that cannot stand her. I would fully expect there to be more in-fighting if she is chosen, although I find it unlikely that she will. Rayner and Starmer are the correct choices for me. |
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15th December 2019, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Dec 15 2019, 12:09 PM) Rayner and Starmer are the correct choices for me. Those two seem to be the ones that can maybe bring unity. |
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15th December 2019, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(Holly and Izzy @ Dec 15 2019, 12:03 PM) The one thing you can't say about Jess Phillips is that she wouldn't be boring or dull and we certainly need a charismatic candidate. At times she can really attract a rather violent type of hate though. It might be the difference needed. She was on TV this morning and is certainly not dull or boring as you say. She came across quite well. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris-tmas: 15th December 2019, 04:11 PM |
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15th December 2019, 04:12 PM
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Was reading about the female front-runners and Angela Rayner had a son at 16 and was a grand-mother at 37. Not that it matters but wonder if the Tories may get a few digs in.
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15th December 2019, 04:24 PM
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If they do, they have no understanding of the seats that helped them win.
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15th December 2019, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris-tmas @ Dec 15 2019, 04:12 PM) Was reading about the female front-runners and Angela Rayner had a son at 16 and was a grand-mother at 37. Not that it matters but wonder if the Tories may bet a few digs in. At least she has been perfectly open about the number of children and grandchildren she has. |
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15th December 2019, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 15 2019, 04:42 PM) At least she has been perfectly open about the number of children and grandchildren she has. Yes she has and she's a huge supporter of the NHS as one of her younger sons had health problems and she says they were brilliant. |
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15th December 2019, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Dec 14 2019, 10:53 PM) I'd like to see Chaos with Ed Miliband back in the Shadow Cabinet - he's still got a lot to offer IMO. 😂 I love that twitter post - retweeted it quite a lot over the past 4 years. |
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15th December 2019, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Dec 15 2019, 10:56 AM) One candidate that fitted the bill when I looked in to it was Conor McGinn. He represents a northern town (St. Helens), famous fell out with Jeremy Corbyn after Coybyn allegedly threatened to phone his father, and of course is Catholic. One potential drawback is that his father was a Sinn Fein councilor - given the scrutiny that Corbyn got for his links to the IRA, McGinn being leader would open many cans of worms. Would be quality if it was Conor but I'd say making it in the shadow cabinet would be his aim this term! They'd probably accuse him of being on the army council if he got it. |
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15th December 2019, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Dec 15 2019, 11:36 AM) If you thought that the cult of Corbyn was bad, the cult of Jess Phillips may be even worse! Not a fan at all.... |
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15th December 2019, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris-tmas @ Dec 15 2019, 04:12 PM) Was reading about the female front-runners and Angela Rayner had a son at 16 and was a grand-mother at 37. Not that it matters but wonder if the Tories may get a few digs in. Why would they? Would look pretty terrible if they did! |
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15th December 2019, 09:27 PM
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Has to be Angela Rayner for me. I think it has to be somebody who can bridge the gap between the two "wings" of the Party (although she's been loyal and been out to bat for the Corbyn leadership, she isn't really what you'd call an out and out Corbynite) and is somebody whose backstory of growing up in poverty and working sh
Keir Starmer would be my second choice as a solid, dependable, keep the ship steady and do the necessary work to purge the party of antisemitism and the cranks for five years Kinnock style choice before passing the torch on to a new generation in 2024. Of the other candidates, Emily Thornberry would be fabulous from a Gay Icon perspective but I think she gives off too much of a "Posh woman sneering" vibe, Jess Phillips I wouldn't trust not to do something lowkey racist or transphobic and end up being "cancelled" by the Twitterati plus I don't think she'd have support in the membership and Lisa Nandy is all "we have to listen to the concerns of small towns" and then no policy suggestions and just gets on my tits! This is all assuming that there isn't another candidate waiting in the wings that nobody's heard of yet but is worth taking a chance on. Frankly after the last nine years I think it might be worth taking a punt on a relative unknown? |
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15th December 2019, 09:52 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I really want Angela Rayner to be the next leader. I love her so much!
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15th December 2019, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Dec 15 2019, 09:52 PM) The more I think about it, the more I really want Angela Rayner to be the next leader. I love her so much! This! Corbyn mlced the Overton Window. She can get Labour in and Bojo out. |
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15th December 2019, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Dec 15 2019, 09:52 PM) The more I think about it, the more I really want Angela Rayner to be the next leader. I love her so much! Steady on.  Think she has a partner. 
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