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brian91 View member profile	12th November 2006, 05:03 PM Post #1
You are a child of the universe Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 23,408 User: 78	Ministers' forecasts that 1.5 million homes will need to be built to house the influx of immigrants are too low, the Government has admitted. Despite unveiling the estimate for the growth in household numbers expected by 2026 only eight months ago, Whitehall statisticians are already recalculating the figure. The new total, expected to be closer to two million, will be used by officials to lay down bigger targets for house building in towns, cities and the countryside Critics said the need for the recalculation provided further evidence that the Government was failing to measure immigration properly or take full account of its impact. James Clappison, a Conservative member of the Home Affairs Select Committee, who used parliamentary questions to uncover the review of the household projections, said: "The Government never seems to take into account in its policy-making that there is a link between immigration and housing. There has been a failure to get to grips with the scale of immigration which has taken place since 1997, a large part of which has come about as a result of government policy." In March, John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, published "household projections" which showed that 209,000 new homes a year would be needed in England between 2003 and 2026. Of the 4.8 million total, 1.5 million were due to net inward migration.


Tim Barnes View member profile	12th November 2006, 05:12 PM Post #2
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 12,423 User: 7	That creates more work for builders and will create jobs, I see no problem with it


Mushymanrob View member profile	12th November 2006, 05:51 PM Post #3
im all clares! Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 16,421 User: 5	i do.... land is precious, they dont make it any more, once land is built on its ruined for food production.... so? well.. not only will more houses/people mean more pollution but that will add to the global warming effect. now we might not need land for food production atm, but, we might in the future. no new homes on greenfields. if we cant house them then they shouldnt be allowed in! sorry but this tiny island is not going to cope with letting anyone in.


The Royston Pois... The Royston Poisoner View member profile	12th November 2006, 06:22 PM Post #4
1 life, 9 hearts, and 18 hands that'll rip you all apart Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 7,205 User: 175	QUOTE(mushymanrob @ Nov 12 2006, 06:15 PM) if we cant house them then they shouldnt be allowed in! Agree.


Tim Barnes View member profile	12th November 2006, 06:46 PM Post #5
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 12,423 User: 7	QUOTE(mushymanrob @ Nov 12 2006, 06:15 PM) no new homes on greenfields. if we cant house them then they shouldnt be allowed in! sorry but this tiny island is not going to cope with letting anyone in. The problem is though mushy that Britain is a nation of lazy ****ers thus it is more tempting for employers to seek to recruit abroad, my local bus company is advertising in places like Guyana, Trinidad and parts of Eastern Europe because no Brits are applying because they are bone idle, I know of health authorities, London Transport etc who are seeking foreign workers because Brits prefer to sit on their fat arses, if the jobs are not being done by Brits then it is only right to bring in foreign labour, same with builders, the indigenous population don't want to do building jobs so the likes of Poles and so on are taking all the work. If Brits were harder working there would be no need for foreigners but the majority of people in this country are lazy


Mushymanrob View member profile	12th November 2006, 07:21 PM Post #6
im all clares! Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 16,421 User: 5	QUOTE(Kimi RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen @ Nov 12 2006, 07:10 PM) The problem is though mushy that Britain is a nation of lazy ****ers thus it is more tempting for employers to seek to recruit abroad, my local bus company is advertising in places like Guyana, Trinidad and parts of Eastern Europe because no Brits are applying because they are bone idle, I know of health authorities, London Transport etc who are seeking foreign workers because Brits prefer to sit on their fat arses, if the jobs are not being done by Brits then it is only right to bring in foreign labour, same with builders, the indigenous population don't want to do building jobs so the likes of Poles and so on are taking all the work. If Brits were harder working there would be no need for foreigners but the majority of people in this country are lazy you mean foreigners will work for less then the minimum wage therefore lining the pockets of the fat cat bosses! thats the real reason, they are being ripped off.


Consie View member profile	12th November 2006, 11:41 PM Post #7
Don't slap me, cuz I'm not in the mood Joined: 24 March 2006 Posts: 1,236 User: 303	They'll probably build a bunch of disgusting, cheap concrete highrises and stuff everyone in there. Governments never learn lessons...


GRIMLY FIENDISH View member profile	13th November 2006, 09:49 AM Post #8
Always wear a clean pair of knickers, cos you never know when th Joined: 12 March 2006 Posts: 18,586 User: 190	QUOTE(mushymanrob @ Nov 12 2006, 07:45 PM) you mean foreigners will work for less then the minimum wage therefore lining the pockets of the fat cat bosses! thats the real reason, they are being ripped off. Very true... I'm disgusted by the way foreign workers are exploited by employers, especially in the building trade.. I dont see why the hell these fukkers get away with paying less for a bricklayer from Eastern Europe than they do for a British bricklayer, surely this totally contravenes the Equal Pay act.... And if it doesn't then it needs amended, simple as...


Tim Barnes View member profile	13th November 2006, 10:05 AM Post #9
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 12,423 User: 7	QUOTE(GRIMLY FIENDISH @ Nov 13 2006, 10:13 AM) Very true... I'm disgusted by the way foreign workers are exploited by employers, especially in the building trade.. I dont see why the hell these fukkers get away with paying less for a bricklayer from Eastern Europe than they do for a British bricklayer, surely this totally contravenes the Equal Pay act.... And if it doesn't then it needs amended, simple as... As someone who has worked in Eastern Europe and is of Eastern European origin I know for a fact the tiny wages that are on offer in Eastern Europe, in Russia for example a typical labourer will get $75-100 a MONTH and even junior to middle managers were lucky to clear $300 a month, for someone from Eastern Europe to suddenly be earning for example Â£4 an hour ($8) an hour after a 40 hour week they will have earned 3-4 times more in a WEEK than they will have for example in Russia in a MONTH so to them they have stepped into paradise financially, they send home money to their families and live on the rest, is it right that they are being "exploited" ? probably not, are they happy to be earning money they will never have ever dreamed of earning back home ? absolutely After just 12 hrs of a week they have already cleared the amount of money they will have earned in a month back home in say Russia or Poland


Mushymanrob View member profile	13th November 2006, 02:26 PM Post #10
im all clares! Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 16,421 User: 5	QUOTE(Kimi RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen @ Nov 13 2006, 10:29 AM) As someone who has worked in Eastern Europe and is of Eastern European origin I know for a fact the tiny wages that are on offer in Eastern Europe, in Russia for example a typical labourer will get $75-100 a MONTH and even junior to middle managers were lucky to clear $300 a month, for someone from Eastern Europe to suddenly be earning for example Â£4 an hour ($8) an hour after a 40 hour week they will have earned 3-4 times more in a WEEK than they will have for example in Russia in a MONTH so to them they have stepped into paradise financially, they send home money to their families and live on the rest, is it right that they are being "exploited" ? probably not, are they happy to be earning money they will never have ever dreamed of earning back home ? absolutely After just 12 hrs of a week they have already cleared the amount of money they will have earned in a month back home in say Russia or Poland that doesnt make it right though! this is the uk, and we should look after our skilled tradesmen and not condone poverty pay. you cant compare wages as the cost of living here is far greater then their home countries.


GRIMLY FIENDISH View member profile	13th November 2006, 02:56 PM Post #11
Always wear a clean pair of knickers, cos you never know when th Joined: 12 March 2006 Posts: 18,586 User: 190	QUOTE(Kimi RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen @ Nov 13 2006, 10:29 AM) As someone who has worked in Eastern Europe and is of Eastern European origin I know for a fact the tiny wages that are on offer in Eastern Europe, in Russia for example a typical labourer will get $75-100 a MONTH and even junior to middle managers were lucky to clear $300 a month, for someone from Eastern Europe to suddenly be earning for example Â£4 an hour ($8) an hour after a 40 hour week they will have earned 3-4 times more in a WEEK than they will have for example in Russia in a MONTH so to them they have stepped into paradise financially, they send home money to their families and live on the rest, is it right that they are being "exploited" ? probably not, are they happy to be earning money they will never have ever dreamed of earning back home ? absolutely After just 12 hrs of a week they have already cleared the amount of money they will have earned in a month back home in say Russia or Poland With all due respect Craig, that argument is utterly irrelevant and is exactly the reason why these fukkers think they can get away with taking the p!ss out of people... "Oh, well, we'll just pay them less cos that's what they're used to..." What a load of c*p!! Does this mean that if I went out to work in Eastern Europe I'd be paid more* because that's what I was used to...? Of course not, I'd be paid exactly the same wage as a Polish, Lithuanian or Czech worker... If you look at what is actually happening employers are using this as a totally sneaky excuse to drive down the wages for British workers as well (A uni mate of mine told me he was being paid less to work in a bar in London than he was doing the same role back in his home town of Coventry, and this is basically because these roles are being increasingly filled by migrant workers...) This is totally inexcusable, exploitative and just so totally typical of how the corrupt Capitalist system operates.... Fukk the workers, get them squabbling with each other over 'bloody foreigners' coming in and taking 'our jobs' and not looking at what the bigger picture is.. It is NOT the fault of the immigrants, it is the fault of greedy, capitalistic employers who feather their own nests at the expense of migrant and domestic workers....