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Tilly
post 13th November 2006, 03:10 PM
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Payments for prison 'cold turkey'

Six prisoners and former inmates forced to stop taking drugs by going "cold turkey" are to receive payments, sources at the High Court have said.
The unspecified settlement followed claims the practice amounted to assault and their human rights were breached.
The claimants had been using heroin and other opiates.
They were said to have been receiving alternative treatment before coming under the responsibility of the Prison Service in England and Wales.
They said once inside they were then made to go "cold turkey" which means the drug was suddenly withdrawn or cut short and they faced detoxification.
Shadow home secretary David Davis said the Home Office could be setting a "disastrous" precedent by settling out-of-court.
A Home Office spokeswoman declined to comment on the case.

'Sharp detoxification'
The proceedings focused on six test cases chosen from a total pool of 198 claimants. Many had been taking the heroin substitute methadone. Their barrister Richard Hermer told an earlier hearing in May: "Many of the prisoners were receiving methadone treatment before they entered prison and were upset at the short period of treatment using opiates they encountered in jail.
"Imposing the short, sharp detoxification is the issue."

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Mr Davis suggested the government did not want to be "embarrassed by losing such a case under its own human rights legislation".
"Drugs are a scourge on society and completely undermine all our other efforts to fight crime. By doing this Mr Reid would be letting down the taxpayer, the victims of these offenders and the drug addicts themselves," he added.
Prison Reform Trust director Juliet Lyon said the case could see courts "pause for thought" before using jail terms as a way of making sure an offender receives treatment.
"Our overcrowded jails are awash with petty, persistent offenders who commit crime to feed their drug habit," she said.
According to the editor of the Prisons Handbook, Mark Leech, two-thirds of crime is drug-related and Home Office research has shown that 643 drug addicts were responsible for well over 70,000 offences in one three-month period.
"Prisoners have the right to receive exactly the same type and standard of healthcare in prison as they would receive in the community," he said.
"Yet for the most part drug detoxification in prison is second-rate in standard and woefully short in its duration."
The National Drug Prevention Alliance said prisoners should not be able to get drugs in prison.
Peter Stoker of the group said: "Yes we want a health-orientated regime of treatment for prisoners, but we don't want something that bows down to their existing drug abuse and says we can't do anything about it."
The charity Drugscope said the government had pledged £28m funding for a treatment programme for inmates this financial year but the actual budget was set lower.
The Department of Health said it was spending £12m in the current financial year on the scheme and the level of funding would be maintained in 2007/08.
The programme, supplemented by the Home Office, aims to increase drug treatment for prisoners to allow them to fight their addiction before their release into the community, a spokeswoman said.

Source:bbc.co.uk

I agree that in an ideal world, it would be better for these men to be treated for their drug addiction whilst in jail, as it may well have been a factor in why they offended, and if they can be successfully treated inside, maybe, just maybe, they’ll be less likely to offend, or is that wishful thinking? blink.gif However, that said, I am totally against them receiving any compensation at all in this case. I am sick and tired of hearing cases of prisoners seeking compensation. If they don’t like the conditions in prison, they shouldn’t have committed the crimes in the first place.
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post 13th November 2006, 03:16 PM
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agreed, prison supposed to be a punishment, not a cushy break.
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post 13th November 2006, 03:27 PM
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I dont think the prisoners should receive compensation as such, BUT, if the prison authorities caused unnecessary harm and cruelty by denying the prisoners the proper, prescribed treatment for weaning them off Heroin (ie, the Methodone treatment), then heads should roll for that, and if it means a few people being sacked then so be it...

There is NO excuse for denying anyone the appropriate medical treatment whether they are prisoners or not.... The standards of medical or drug treatment should be exactly the same whether in or out of prison, the right to appropriate health care it is a fundamental human right, end of story.... Just because they are prisoners does not mean to say that they should not receive the same standard of healthcare as anyone else... The Prison Authorities need to be severely reprimanded if this is true...

Appropriate punishement for wrong-doing is one thing, cruel, inhumane punishement is unacceptable in a civilised society, and for my mind, this is exactly what this is.

What the fukk is it gonna be next - prisoners with HIV/AIDS not getting the correct drug cocktails needed to suppress the AIDS antibodies.....?
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post 13th November 2006, 06:23 PM
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i dont think any right minded person would disagree with that scott smile.gif
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post 13th November 2006, 07:43 PM
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Maybe we should just give them all the drugs they want, if they want to kill themselves with heroin, then let it be their choice, one less prisoner to worry about mad.gif
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post 13th November 2006, 08:10 PM
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I think it's disgusting. They should receive no compensation. They shouldn't have been doing the drugs in the first place beacuse it is illegal. Why should they be compenstaed when what they were doing was illegal?
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post 13th November 2006, 08:47 PM
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More American compensation culture c**p making its way across the pond rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Compensating criminals for being deprived of an ILLEGAL substance while in jail has to be one of the most absurd things I have come across, god knows how much money was wasted on this $h!t in legal bills etc, while taxpayers money are being wasted on these 6 thousands of pensioners face death through cold this winter because they cant pay heating bills due to gas prices doubling, give the fukkin money to them not criminals rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


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post 14th November 2006, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(JBM @ Nov 13 2006, 08:34 PM) *

I think it's disgusting. They should receive no compensation. They shouldn't have been doing the drugs in the first place beacuse it is illegal. Why should they be compenstaed when what they were doing was illegal?


You've totally missed the point of the case JBM (and you as well Brian and Craig)... They were being denied Methodone, which is the way to wean a junkie off heroin it was this withdrawal of methodone which sent them cold turkey. This is an established and fairly standard practice (it is done as a matter of course in Scottish prisons and is offered as an option for prisoners who want to get off the stuff, so I see no reason why English prisons shouldn't do the same thing..) in combatting heroin addiction... These guys were trying to get off Heroin, and had been on Methodone treatements before going into prison.. Suddenly cutting them off from their prescribed treatment is a fundamental breach of human rights and would not be tolerated if it was a prisoner with AIDS or a prisoner with cancer...

Christ, surely it's actually sensible to give as much aid and support to addicts as possible to get off the stuff so maybe they don't end up in prison again....
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post 14th November 2006, 07:17 AM
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I am not against the principle of officers being disciplined or even sacked Scott I would be in full agreement with that happened but what I object to are the prisoners being compensated financially, they were taking an illegal substance so should not be rewarded financially for taking an illegal substance. It is like Gary Glitter sueing the prison service for compensation because he suffered emotional distress, withdrawal symptoms and lack of erections because the prison service would not supply him with a PC and access to a child porn site, extreme scenario yes but not far off
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post 14th November 2006, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE(Kimi Räikkönen @ Nov 14 2006, 07:41 AM) *

I am not against the principle of officers being disciplined or even sacked Scott I would be in full agreement with that happened but what I object to are the prisoners being compensated financially, they were taking an illegal substance so should not be rewarded financially for taking an illegal substance. It is like Gary Glitter sueing the prison service for compensation because he suffered emotional distress, withdrawal symptoms and lack of erections because the prison service would not supply him with a PC and access to a child porn site, extreme scenario yes but not far off


If you look at my original post, you'll find that I'm not particularly in favour of financial compensation either... But you're still under the mistaken impression that they were taking an illegal substance.... Methodone is a controlled substance, totally different to something that is actually illegal... And these guys were taking it as part of their actual medical treatment while they were outside prison... So I dont really see how it can be interpreted that they were taking an 'illegal' substance... If it is part of an ongoing drug treatment programme, then the prison IS morally, ethically and legally obliged to make sure it is supplied to them (surely the prison doctors are actually violating the Hypocratic Oath)... And sorry mate, I dont think you can even compare a drug treatment to kiddie porn....

And I very much object to the way that this has been dealt with totally indecent haste.. An out of court settlement eh...? Well, that sure as hell means there aint gonna be anyone being sacked or subject to an Inquiry..... dry.gif dry.gif
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