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Riser View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 05:44 PM Post #1
The horrors persist, but so do I Joined: 14 July 2013 Posts: 21,890 User: 19,534	BILLBOARD HOT 100 Week ending January 18, 2020 \| Tracking periods: sales/streaming — 1/3–1/9, airplay — 1/6–1/12 TW LW PP WC Artist – Song 01 03 01 05 Roddy Ricch ‒ The Box (DIGITAL/STREAMING GAINER) 02 02 01 Justin Bieber ‒ Yummy (HOT SHOT DEBUT) 03 01 01 19 Post Malone ‒ Circles 04 02 02 16 Maroon 5 ‒ Memories 05 09 04 14 Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber ‒ 10,000 Hours 06 04 01 35 Lewis Capaldi ‒ Someone You Loved 07 07 07 14 Tones And I ‒ Dance Monkey 08 06 03 20 Lizzo ‒ Good As Hell 09 05 04 10 Arizona Zervas ‒ Roxanne (AIRPLAY GAINER) 10 10 01 12 Selena Gomez ‒ Lose You To Love Me 11 12 11 25 Mustard feat. Roddy Ricch ‒ Ballin' 12 13 11 15 DaBaby ‒ BOP 13 08 01 14 Travis Scott ‒ HIGHEST IN THE ROOM 14 21 14 10 Dua Lipa ‒ Don't Start Now 15 16 05 31 Chris Brown feat. Drake ‒ No Guidance 16 19 13 32 SHAED ‒ Trampoline 17 20 01 07 The Weeknd ‒ Heartless 18 11 01 29 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello ‒ Senorita 19 23 08 09 Billie Eilish ‒ everything i wanted 20 18 01 36 Lizzo ‒ Truth Hurts 21 24 11 21 Young Thug feat. Gunna ‒ Hot 22 27 16 09 Lil Baby ‒ Woah 23 17 05 29 Lil Nas X ‒ Panini 24 35 24 05 Harry Styles ‒ Adore You 25 25 18 29 Jonas Brothers ‒ Only Human 26 36 26 16 Maren Morris ‒ The Bones 27 26 20 20 Old Dominion ‒ One Man Band 28 22 10 14 Juice WRLD & YoungBoy Never Broke Again ‒ Bandit 29 32 29 17 blackbear ‒ Hot Girl Bummer 30 44 05 04 Lil Uzi Vert ‒ Futsal Shuffle 2020 31 30 11 19 Luke Combs ‒ Even Though I'm Leaving 32 28 02 32 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber ‒ I Don't Care 33 14 01 41 Billie Eilish ‒ Bad Guy 34 29 01 40 Jonas Brothers ‒ Sucker 35 70 35 02 Roddy Ricch feat. Mustard ‒ High Fashion 36 34 10 21 Taylor Swift ‒ Lover 37 39 22 22 Wale feat. Jeremih ‒ On Chill 38 31 31 08 Trevor Daniel ‒ Falling 39 59 11 06 The Weeknd ‒ Blinding Lights 40 49 40 20 Lady Antebellum ‒ What If I Never Get Over You 41 41 41 07 YNW Melly ‒ Suicidal 42 40 03 45 Khalid ‒ Talk 43 37 34 17 Halsey ‒ Graveyard 44 50 44 05 Camila Cabello feat. DaBaby ‒ My Oh My 45 42 13 26 Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid ‒ Beautiful People 46 15 01 45 Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus ‒ Old Town Road 47 51 47 10 Dustin Lynch ‒ Ridin' Roads 48 45 45 11 Doja Cat & Tyga ‒ Juicy 49 54 16 19 Summer Walker ‒ Playing Games 50 43 07 37 DaBaby ‒ Suge 51 58 51 15 Jon Pardi ‒ Heartache Medication 52 38 38 02 JACKBOYS feat. Young Thug ‒ OUT WEST 53 57 21 15 DaBaby ‒ VIBEZ 54 60 54 13 Sam Hunt ‒ Kinfolks 55 53 36 19 Chris Brown feat. Gunna ‒ Heat 56 68 56 08 Roddy Ricch & Gunna ‒ Start Wit Me 57 55 46 07 Idina Menzel & AURORA ‒ Into The Unknown 58 46 43 06 Don Toliver ‒ No Idea 59 62 54 09 Rod Wave ‒ Heart On Ice 60 60 01 MoneyBagg Yo feat. Lil Baby ‒ U Played 61 72 53 05 Ed Sheeran feat. Camila Cabello & Cardi B ‒ South Of The Border 62 71 28 06 DaBaby feat. Lil Baby & Moneybagg Yo ‒ TOES 63 64 63 08 Kane Brown ‒ Homesick 64 61 53 17 Thomas Rhett ‒ Remember You Young 65 74 65 02 Gabby Barrett ‒ I Hope 66 63 08 18 Post Malone feat. Ozzy Osbourne & Travis Scott ‒ Take What You Want 67 73 67 03 H.E.R. feat. YG ‒ Slide 68 66 66 07 The Black Eyed Peas X J Balvin ‒ RITMO (Bad Boys For Life) 69 81 69 05 Russ & BIA ‒ BEST ON EARTH 70 70 01 BrockHampton ‒ SUGAR 71 48 48 02 JACKBOYS & Sheck Wes ‒ GANG GANG 72 65 37 17 NLE Choppa ‒ Camelot 73 67 60 14 Layton Greene, Lil Baby, City Girls & PnB Rock ‒ Leave Em Alone 74 77 74 06 Jason Aldean ‒ We Back 75 86 75 03 Luke Bryan ‒ What She Wants Tonight 76 52 52 02 Don Toliver feat. Quavo & Offset ‒ HAD ENOUGH 77 75 63 13 Niall Horan ‒ Nice To Meet Ya 78 84 78 02 Jimmie Allen ‒ Make Me Want To 79 89 73 06 Roddy Ricch feat. A Boogie Wit da Hoodie ‒ Tip Toe 80 79 79 10 DaniLeigh feat. Chris Brown ‒ Easy 81 82 54 07 Harry Styles ‒ Watermelon Sugar 82 88 82 02 Ingrid Andress ‒ More Hearts Than Mine 83 90 83 02 Riley Green ‒ I Wish Grandpas Never Died 84 87 82 05 Kelsea Ballerini ‒ homecoming queen? 85 78 34 18 YNW Melly & 9lokknine ‒ 223's 86 RE 72 03 Roddy Ricch feat. Meek Mill ‒ Peta 87 76 76 06 Karol G & Nicki Minaj ‒ Tusa 88 93 44 06 Tory Lanez & T-Pain ‒ Jerry Sprunger 89 85 16 18 Post Malone feat. DaBaby ‒ Enemies 90 90 01 Olivia Rodrigo ‒ All I Want 91 100 91 02 Noah Cyrus feat. Leon Bridges ‒ July 92 83 33 07 Bad Bunny ‒ Vete 93 93 01 Carly Pearce & Lee Brice ‒ I Hope You're Happy Now 94 94 01 Lil Tjay ‒ 20/20 95 95 01 Doja Cat ‒ Say So 96 RE 57 09 YoungBoy Never Broke Again ‒ Make No Sense 97 99 97 02 Jordan Davis ‒ Slow Dance In A Parking Lot 98 98 01 Baby Keem ‒ ORANGE SODA 99 RE 70 03 Moneybagg Yo X Megan Thee Stallon ‒ All Dat 100 56 56 02 JACKBOYS feat. Don Toliver ‒ WHAT TO DO? OUT 33 04 31 Lil Tecca ‒ Ran$om OUT 47 21 21 Lil Baby & DaBaby ‒ Baby OUT 69 69 01 JACKBOYS, Pop Smoke & Travis Scott ‒ GATTI OUT 80 69 13 Joji ‒ Slow Dancing In The Dark OUT 91 59 07 Trippie Redd feat. DaBaby ‒ Death OUT 92 81 08 Ant Saunders ‒ Yellow Hearts OUT 94 78 03 Juice WRLD ‒ Let Me Know (I Wonder Why Freestyle) OUT 95 95 02 DJ Snake, J. Balvin & Tyga ‒ Loco Contigo OUT 96 86 06 Doja Cat ‒ Candy OUT 97 78 04 Diplo feat. Morgan Wallen ‒ Heartless OUT 98 43 18 Anuel AA, Daddy Yankee, Karol G, Ozuna & J Balvin ‒ China Bubbling Under TW LW Artist – Song 01 01 Garth Brooks & Blake Shelton ‒ Dive Bar 02 03 TOKYO'S REVENGE ‒ Goodmorningtokyo! 03 16 Roddy Ricch feat. Ty Dolla $ign ‒ Bacc Seat 04 11 Morgan Wallen ‒ Chasin' You 05 10 Brett Young ‒ Catch 06 05 Lewis Capaldi ‒ Before You Go 07 14 Jake Owen ‒ Homemade 08 04 5 Seconds Of Summer ‒ Teeth 09 Future feat. Drake ‒ Life Is Good 10 12 JP Saxe feat. Julia Michaels ‒ If The World Was Ending 11 24 Ryan Hurd ‒ To A T 12 RE Roddy Ricch ‒ Perfect Time 13 RE Flipp Dinero feat. Lil Baby ‒ How I Move 14 07 Kehlani feat. Keyshia Cole ‒ All Me 15 RE Young Thug feat. Travis Scott ‒ Hop Off A Jet 16 RE Roddy Ricch ‒ Boom Boom Room 17 22 JayDaYoungan ‒ Island 18 Sam Hunt ‒ Sinning With You 19 17 Megan Thee Stallion & VickeeLo ‒ Ride Or Die 20 Rod Wave ‒ Green Light 21 Roddy Ricch ‒ War Baby 22 RE Roddy Ricch feat. Lil Durk ‒ Moonwalkin 23 RE Zedd & Kehlani ‒ Good Thing 24 RE Lauren Daigle ‒ Rescue 25 ** Travis Denning ‒ After A Few


Riser View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 05:45 PM Post #2
The horrors persist, but so do I Joined: 14 July 2013 Posts: 21,890 User: 19,534	Roddy Ricch's 'The Box' Bounds to No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100, Justin Bieber's 'Yummy' Debuts at No. 2 1/13/2020 by Gary Trust Roddy Ricch's "The Box" tops the Billboard Hot 100, rising from No. 3 to become the rapper's first No. 1 on the ranking. Plus, Justin Bieber jumps onto the Hot 100 at No. 2 with his new single, "Yummy," following its first full week of tracking after its Jan. 3 release. "The Box," released on Bird Vision/Atlantic Records, is the 1,096th No. 1 in the Hot 100's 61-year history. Roddy Ricch (real name: Rodrick Wayne Moore, Jr.) wrote the song with Samuel "30Roc" Gloade, who solely produced it. The track by the 21-year-old Compton, California, native hits the Hot 100's summit in its fifth week on the chart, as it tallies a second week at No. 1 on the Streaming Songs survey, surging by 60% to 68.2 million U.S. streams in the week ending Jan. 9, according to Nielsen Music/MRC Data. Notably, the song does not yet have a proper official video; Its official audio clip was released on Dec. 6, while a new lyric video arrived on Jan. 9. The streaming sum is the second-highest for any song, after Mariah Carey's "All I Want for Christmas Is You" drew 72.2 million (Jan. 4), since Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road," featuring Billy Ray Cyrus, hauled in 72.5 million (Aug. 3, 2019); "Road" set the record with 143 million on April 20, 2019. "The Box" roars 31-8 on Digital Song Sales, up 79% to 11,000 sold in the week ending Jan. 9 (as it claims the Hot 100's top Streaming Gainer and Sales Gainer awards), and hikes by 196% to 10.9 million all-format radio airplay audience impressions. The single concurrently crowns the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Rap Songs charts, which employ the same multi-metric methodology as the Hot 100, for a second week each. "The Box" is from the rapper's debut studio album, Please Excuse Me for Being Antisocial, which began as his first No. 1 on the Billboard 200, dated Dec. 21 and this week (Jan. 18) rebounds for a second week on top. Roddy Ricch is the first artist to top the Hot 100 and Billboard 200 simultaneously since Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper's "Shallow" and their soundtrack to A Star Is Born led the respective rankings dated March 9, 2019; As with Roddy Ricch, those titles brought actor/singer Cooper his first No. 1 on each chart. Roddy Ricch further posts his second-highest Hot 100 rank, as Mustard's "Ballin'," on which he's featured, lifts 12-11, and he adds his fourth top 40 entry, as "High Fashion," featuring Mustard, flies 70-35 as it enters Streaming Songs at No. 12 (18.1 million, up 66%). Justin Bieber's "Yummy" arrives at No. 2 on the Hot 100 as it starts at No. 1 on Digital Song Sales (71,000 sold in the week ending Jan. 9) and No. 2 on Streaming Songs (29.3 million in the same span), while soaring 38-10 on the Radio Songs chart (50.9 million in its first full week, ending Jan. 12). As for the song's sales total, 71,000 marks the best since Taylor Swift's "You Need to Calm Down" launched with 79,000 (June 29, 2019). "Yummy" was released at midnight ET on Jan. 3, while its official video premiered the following day. Its sales sum in the tracking week was boosted by a bevy of vinyl and cassette single offers in his official webstore (with certain pieces to be autographed by Bieber), and consumers received a digital copy of the song upon each purchase; Its airplay total includes hourly plays on participating Entercom Communications-owned radio stations on Jan. 11. With "Yummy," Bieber banks his 17th Hot 100 top 10 (dating to his first, the No. 5-peaking "Baby," on Feb. 6, 2010), 14th Radio Songs top 10 and 11th Digital Song Sales No. 1, the lattermost total lifting him ahead of Drake and Eminem for the most among male artists. Bieber ties Katy Perry for the third-most Digital Song Sales leaders, after Swift (18) and Rihanna (14). "Yummy" concurrently vaults from No. 16 to No. 1 on Hot R&B Songs, becoming Bieber's second topper on the tally (among eight top 10s), and first as a lead artist. He initially led as featured, with Chance the Rapper and Quavo, on DJ Khaled's "No Brainer," for six weeks in August-October 2018. "Yummy" enters Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs at No. 2, where Bieber adds his fourth top 10. Post Malone's "Circles" drops to No. 3 on the Hot 100 after three nonconsecutive weeks at No. 1, as it tallies a fourth week atop Radio Songs, up by 1% to 101.3 million in audience. Maroon 5's "Memories" descends to No. 4 on the Hot 100 from its No. 2 high, while Dan + Shay and Bieber's No. 4-peaking "10,000 Hours" climbs 9-5, as it tops Hot Country Songs for a 14th week. Thanks to "Yummy" and "Hours," Bieber is the first artist with two concurrent top five Hot 100 hits since Post Malone, whose "Goodbyes," featuring Young Thug, and "Circles" ranked at Nos. 3 and 4, respectively, on Sept. 21. Rounding out the Hot 100's top 10, Lewis Capaldi's "Someone You Loved" backtracks 4-6, following its three-week command; Tones and I's "Dance Monkey" keeps at its No. 7 best; Lizzo's No. 3-peaking "Good as Hell" drops 6-8; Arizona Zervas' "Roxanne" retreats 5-9, after reaching No. 4, while boasting top Airplay Gainer honors (49.5 million, up 21%); and Selena Gomez's "Lose You to Love Me" holds at No. 10, after it led the Nov. 9 chart. (Note that with this week's charts, dated Jan. 18, Billboard has streamlined the inclusion of YouTube user-generated content [UGC] for song charts that incorporate streaming data, including the Hot 100. As of this week, only streams of video clips that are termed to be "song-UGC" will be factored into such charts, while "non-song UGC" will be excluded; The main difference between the two is that song-UGC content comprises clips of extended length that prominently feature a song. Further, for streaming-based charts, the Hot 100 and other multi-metric genre-specific "Hot"-named surveys, such as Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, which employ the same streaming-, airplay- and sales-based methodology as the Hot 100, song-UGC content will now be weighted at the same level as programmed streams; It was previously weighted at the same level as ad-supported, on-demand streams. Additionally, paid/subscription video streams from YouTube and audio streams, such as on YouTube Music, have been isolated and will contribute at the same level as paid/subscription streams, the highest of the three contributing streaming levels.)


danG View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 05:47 PM Post #3
🔥🚀🔥 Joined: 30 August 2010 Posts: 74,506 User: 11,746	Lil Nas X being hit very hard by the new chart rules then, didn’t realise he was still as high as 15 last week anyway. Good to see Roddy at number one.


Tangela View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 06:03 PM Post #4
Tangelic Joined: 30 September 2016 Posts: 6,689 User: 23,643	QUOTE(danuary @ Jan 15 2020, 05:47 PM) Lil Nas X being hit very hard by the new chart rules then, didn’t realise he was still as high as 15 last week anyway. Good to see Roddy at number one. Hey Dan, what're these new rules? Cheers


Brer View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 06:24 PM Post #5
I'll just stick around and do some more damage Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,023 User: 8,300	Billboard have changed their rules regarding 'user-generated content' (i.e. YouTube videos that have songs in them but aren't the actual official uploads of the songs), with some being weighted down and others being excluded entirely (if they only use short clips). The main effect, and presumably the reason for the rule change, being that TikTok compilations no longer count towards the Hot 100 (or count in a much reduced capacity? I'm not sure whether they'd fall under 'song UGC' or 'non-song UGC' but I'd guess the latter) which is why so many TikTok songs have had significant drops this week (most notably 'Old Town Road' and 'ROXANNE'). That does make the debut for 'SUGAR' as high as #70 even more impressive although slightly salty to know that they'd likely have debuted/peaked a lot higher if this TikTok boost had come a little earlier... it's a fair rule change though, have to wonder if TikTok compilations may have handed 'Old Town Road' a few more weeks at #1 than it'd have got if they were never counted. So sort of a reversal of the 'Gangnam Style' situation where that never got to #1 while it probably would have done if YouTube streams were counted at the time. Billboard had a couple other rule changes this week for the album chart - now including YouTube streams for albums, plus their new slightly more restrictive rules for merch bundles coming into effect.


Bjork View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 06:26 PM Post #6
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 November 2015 Posts: 33,153 User: 22,665	(Note that with this week's charts, dated Jan. 18, Billboard has streamlined the inclusion of YouTube user-generated content [UGC] for song charts that incorporate streaming data, including the Hot 100. As of this week, only streams of video clips that are termed to be "song-UGC" will be factored into such charts, while "non-song UGC" will be excluded; The main difference between the two is that song-UGC content comprises clips of extended length that prominently feature a song. Further, for streaming-based charts, the Hot 100 and other multi-metric genre-specific "Hot"-named surveys, such as Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, which employ the same streaming-, airplay- and sales-based methodology as the Hot 100, song-UGC content will now be weighted at the same level as programmed streams; It was previously weighted at the same level as ad-supported, on-demand streams. Additionally, paid/subscription video streams from YouTube and audio streams, such as on YouTube Music, have been isolated and will contribute at the same level as paid/subscription streams, the highest of the three contributing streaming levels.)


Tangela View member profile	Jan 15 2020, 06:26 PM Post #7
Tangelic Joined: 30 September 2016 Posts: 6,689 User: 23,643	Thanks B, that makes sense. I still don't really think there's an accurate way of doing these things to get something particularly meaningful but still interesting what the output is. QUOTE(Bjork @ Jan 15 2020, 06:26 PM) (Note that with this week's charts, dated Jan. 18, Billboard has streamlined the inclusion of YouTube user-generated content [UGC] for song charts that incorporate streaming data, including the Hot 100. As of this week, only streams of video clips that are termed to be "song-UGC" will be factored into such charts, while "non-song UGC" will be excluded; The main difference between the two is that song-UGC content comprises clips of extended length that prominently feature a song. Further, for streaming-based charts, the Hot 100 and other multi-metric genre-specific "Hot"-named surveys, such as Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, which employ the same streaming-, airplay- and sales-based methodology as the Hot 100, song-UGC content will now be weighted at the same level as programmed streams; It was previously weighted at the same level as ad-supported, on-demand streams. Additionally, paid/subscription video streams from YouTube and audio streams, such as on YouTube Music, have been isolated and will contribute at the same level as paid/subscription streams, the highest of the three contributing streaming levels.) I mean, I wish you'd read the article... This post has been edited by Burns: Jan 15 2020, 06:27 PM


JaneJ View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 03:40 AM Post #8
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 27 June 2019 Posts: 238 User: 88,953	So Old Town Road dethroned Mariah due to that TikTok shit? What a mess of this song streaming era, so easy to manipulate the charts. Seeing those songs take over the charts it's like seeing Marvel take over the film industry. Tragic.


Bjork View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 07:16 AM Post #9
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 November 2015 Posts: 33,153 User: 22,665	I thought TikTok didn't count?


RobBot View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 02:04 PM Post #10
I'm in a vewy bad mood, Bwadley. Joined: 24 September 2008 Posts: 35,866 User: 7,117	So happy to see Dua's leap here! Hoping it can scrape at least one week top 10 but even if not, this is now her 2nd top 20 song so good for her for maintaining such good will, she's been promoting the shit out of this track.


Brer View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 02:14 PM Post #11
I'll just stick around and do some more damage Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,023 User: 8,300	QUOTE(JaneJ @ Jan 16 2020, 03:40 AM) So Old Town Road dethroned Mariah due to that TikTok shit? What a mess of this song streaming era, so easy to manipulate the charts. Seeing those songs take over the charts it's like seeing Marvel take over the film industry. Tragic. ?? don't know if you know this but TikTok is a social media app, the songs that do well there are decided by what songs organically become popular / meme-worthy, that's about as far from 'chart manipulation' as you can get... 'The Box' blew up specifically because TikTok decided it was a better song than the ones chosen by the label to be pushed as singles for example. At least Lil Nas X's run at #1 was pushed by factors that actual consumers decide (or have more control over anyway, yes I know streaming playlists evil blah blah), Mariah's run was achieved in part because of the influence of radio airplay which is much more of an industry 'chart manipulation' thing. QUOTE(Bjork @ Jan 16 2020, 07:16 AM) I thought TikTok didn't count? TikTok compilation videos. i.e. on YouTube. The app itself didn't / still doesn't count.


Dircadirca View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 03:19 PM Post #12
BuzzJack Platinum Member Pronouns: He/Him Joined: 28 July 2013 Posts: 5,068 User: 19,614	Not that there's really any way to avoid it, but it's always frustrating that Billboard make these abrupt rule changes in the midst of extremely noteworthy chart runs. Like how Uptown Funk was on its way to become one of the biggest Hot 100 hits of all time (more so) and then Billboard randomly said 'oh anything 52+ weeks under #25 is gone' and then it was indeed gone like 2 weeks later, and Imagine Dragons have a record that cannot conceivably beaten for longevity. By a similar token, they're going to put Old Town Road on the All Time list eventually, but its ranking will be totally arbitrary with respect to when Billboard made this rule change, effectively meaning nothing. You could probably weave a conspiracy theory that it's Billboard getting revenge for being made the villains in the whole Lil Nas X saga. They got their clicks and now they have no need to extend any empathy. It's a shame too that they're cutting into extremely consumer driven content, allowing radio to be an even bigger waste of space in the point distribution. That said, Lil Nas X was probably due a big drop due to the natural winding down of End Of Year effect. He dropped #16 to #29 in Australia the same week, so probably he'd be below #25 on week 52 anyway. It's weird to think though, would Sunflower really be the biggest hit of the year if they'd enacted this sooner? Great song but feels like such a non-event by comparison.


JaneJ View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 03:55 PM Post #13
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 27 June 2019 Posts: 238 User: 88,953	QUOTE(Bré @ Jan 16 2020, 09:14 PM) ?? don't know if you know this but TikTok is a social media app, the songs that do well there are decided by what songs organically become popular / meme-worthy, that's about as far from 'chart manipulation' as you can get... 'The Box' blew up specifically because TikTok decided it was a better song than the ones chosen by the label to be pushed as singles for example. At least Lil Nas X's run at #1 was pushed by factors that actual consumers decide (or have more control over anyway, yes I know streaming playlists evil blah blah), Mariah's run was achieved in part because of the influence of radio airplay which is much more of an industry 'chart manipulation' thing. I'm aware there was some push via radio air play back in the day but track like All I want for Christmas was mostly driven by sales, she can still tour till these days because of that song alone, that's organic stuff from the audience same goes with Celine Dion's My heart will go on. Streaming sure does help music get back from dead but it's overrated and much more easy to be manipulated by platform themselves and stan culture. In 10-20 years from now, these people who've been streaming this Old Town Road song would still go and pay for tickets just for celebrating this song? I don't think so.


coi View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 04:03 PM Post #14
BuzzJack Platinum Member Joined: 23 June 2018 Posts: 9,511 User: 73,240	QUOTE(JaneJ @ Jan 16 2020, 03:55 PM) I'm aware there was some push via radio air play back in the day but track like All I want for Christmas was mostly driven by sales, she can still tour till these days because of that song alone, that's organic stuff from the audience same goes with Celine Dion's My heart will go on. Streaming sure does help music get back from dead but it's overrated and much more easy to be manipulated by platform themselves and stan culture. In 10-20 years from now, these people who've been streaming this Old Town Road song would still go and pay for tickets just for celebrating this song? I don't think so. Mariah's #1 reign was with One Sweet Day though, not All I Want For Christmas Is You. I don't think those people you mention who go and pay for tickets are there only to see her perform One Sweet Day Old Town Road has been massive culturally, and as Bré already said this has been largely consumer-driven, rather than One Sweet Day which was at least assisted by radio airplay.


JaneJ View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 04:55 PM Post #15
BuzzJack Regular Joined: 27 June 2019 Posts: 238 User: 88,953	QUOTE(coi @ Jan 16 2020, 11:03 PM) Mariah's #1 reign was with One Sweet Day though, not All I Want For Christmas Is You. I don't think those people you mention who go and pay for tickets are there only to see her perform One Sweet Day Old Town Road has been massive culturally, and as Bré already said this has been largely consumer-driven, rather than One Sweet Day which was at least assisted by radio airplay. Streaming also has playlist system as well which is not organic enough to be counted as sales automatically, artists themselves upload tons of videos just to be counted and charted including those TikTok videos via youtube. Billboard has just changed the methodology here, I mean, they must know what's going on. My point still stands sales driven still much more powerful than stream-consumption even though they're trying to say they're equivalent. Since, you say, Old Town road has been massive culturally, I will wait and see how this song is doing 20 years from now comparing to those iconic tracks with huge sales 20 yrs ago.


Brer View member profile	Jan 16 2020, 04:59 PM Post #16
I'll just stick around and do some more damage Joined: 14 February 2009 Posts: 115,023 User: 8,300	I'd be pretty confident in saying 'Old Town Road' will be more iconic in 20 years than 'One Sweet Day' is now honestly.