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Posted by: ► ▲ N 2nd November 2014, 01:43 PM

it's no secret that you can't always get what you want in BJSC, but what songs were cruelly taken away from you either by someone getting in there first or the song being vetoed (or both )

Technically for me the answer is no, but I was planning on sending Emma Hewitt 'Colours' until I read a Hitstastic post about him trying to send it and being beaten to it - so I didn't try sending it. Not lying ok I could have had a BJSC winner.

Veto free flaw free though

Posted by: M¤th 2nd November 2014, 01:46 PM

Somebody sent 'Outlines' an hour before me and it ended up getting vetoed

Posted by: Timmy SZN 2nd November 2014, 01:47 PM

Kyla La Grange's Cut Your Teeth and Seinabo Sey's Hard Time are my veto's
That's all I can remember, but I'm sure the mods have a list somewhere

I also remember one of my entries being stolen but I can't remember

Posted by: Oliver 2nd November 2014, 01:49 PM

Kylienips sent SomethingALaMode (feat. DWNTWN) - On My Mind about 20 minutes before me and came 6th with it, and then obviously the horror of having Vanic x Machineheart - Circles cruely ripped from my grasp by Florina.

Posted by: ✖ ketalina ✖ 2nd November 2014, 01:54 PM

i've been on the verge of veto twice, but have reconfirmed before it was official so NOPE.

those songs were:
corona 'rhythm of the night (blonde version)'
trust 'icabod' (did that for an hour and then just reconfirmed back cos i was drunk i think so)

not had my entry stolen either actually! just a lot of shoulda woulda couldas (most painful is probs when me and chris always like the same things so either of us could've done well with it). although this month i have literally 'given' someone a song so that'll be interesting to watch (will not tell u hew tho!!!!)

Posted by: Rabbit Froot 2nd November 2014, 01:58 PM

I've not had anything vetoed and the only entry someone else comfirmed before me was GEMS - 'Medusa' but that flopped anyway.

I was wanting to send Zhu feat Sean Dee - 'Faded' but Eyes had already sent 'Paradise Awaits' before I had the chance. That same contest, Robot had also initally sent a different Halsey song so I nearly couldn't have 'New Americana' either!

Posted by: gooddelta 2nd November 2014, 02:05 PM

Never been vetoed, although I should imagine a couple of my entries might have come close (though others may well have scored zero veto points!)

I rarely go for songs that anybody else wants (this month being an exception!) so don't often have an entry stolen.

I was going to send Come With Me by Britt Love to BJSC 35 but Herzebania got there first (iirc very much stolen as we'd discussed the song prior to the contest). So I sent Chart Music's All My Life instead. Britt came 10th and Chart Music won #karmakarma

Posted by: Chez Wombat 2nd November 2014, 02:09 PM

Kyla La Grange - Walk Through Walls was the only time - stolen by Kylienips I believe (someone who I've had many BJSC crossovers with!). Genuinely could've got a top 10 and ended my awful DNQ record for that year if I was a bit faster I sent a song I didn't even like in place of it, which deservedly bombed.

Posted by: Oliver 2nd November 2014, 02:12 PM

I was also going to send Goldroom - Embrace but after I heard that Bal was after it I decided to let him have it. Then toyed with "Tsunami" that same contest!

Posted by: Iz~ 2nd November 2014, 02:18 PM

Still veto-free after 30+ contests and as far as I can remember, not even close Having access to the veto points my 'cheapest' entries have been Zhu and Archis but neither were seriously discussed. (i.e. Rabbit, I have a feeling Faded would have been vetoed, or at least come very close as the points for Paradise Awaits were just Zhu's blog hype + double artist confirmation and Faded, the original, was charting in Australia at the time)

I think my only loss of my first choice where I actually tried to send it has been Smallpools - Dreaming, but hey, at least it gave Varake a hit. I also was going to send Emerentia - Wasting Water but I knew Ryan was also going for it and I was an hour late to confirmation so I didn't bother. Both of those contests I then proceeded to DNQ in flames.

Posted by: Silas 2nd November 2014, 02:21 PM

I've had entries stolen, I've been vetoed and one of my entries that made it through the veto lead to the framework being brought in.

Posted by: { bré } 2nd November 2014, 02:23 PM

Pretty sure I've never come close to being vetoed (apart from possibly with Joe Goddard's 'Gabriel' if the veto even existed then?)

The only time I've been blocked from sending a song is when I tried to change to 'Alchemy' at the last minute last month. And I'm glad that was blocked really because I'd have felt super cheap even if it would have got me another big hit ~

Posted by: Jester 2nd November 2014, 02:28 PM

This month was the first time anyone beat me to an entry but I would hardly call it stolen. I've been vetoed once but it served me right!

Posted by: jsilv 2nd November 2014, 02:52 PM

Me! But I went with Adventure Club in the end I think and that did well so it's cool

That's my only case of a veto/stolen entry.

Posted by: ▬Mart!n▬ 2nd November 2014, 03:32 PM

Oh dear oops

I believe someone wanted Somethingalamode - On My Mind

I think I've had one track vetoed Phoenix - Entertainment

Posted by: Qassändra 2nd November 2014, 03:38 PM

A San Zhi vs The Shoes remix of Gunshot last month, which I'm still certain would've won, and not because it had the same vocals as a song a few people like at the moment.

Posted by: JoesephJSG'sDog 2nd November 2014, 03:47 PM

I tried to send Reset by Lucie Silvas in 43, my first contest, but found it had already been taken. Managed to avoid a semi last-placer in my first contest, not bad going, even if the song deserved way more.

Only been vetoed once, with Running Guns by Alyssa Reid in 53, and then resent it the next contest where there was no veto

Posted by: Timmy SZN 2nd November 2014, 03:47 PM

Posted by: Jester 2nd November 2014, 04:04 PM

That was because I already sent it to the contest…..!

Posted by: مدهش* 2nd November 2014, 04:06 PM

Never been vetoed but someone else got to GRADES this month. VERITÉ was also bagged before I had chance.

I guess I must just follow the same sites as others as pretty much 10 of my potentials are in this contest alone.

Posted by: randomfurlong 2nd November 2014, 04:12 PM

Only had one veto to my memory - Kleerup / Susanne Sundfor a couple of months ago, which was hardly surprising.

Posted by: LexC 2nd November 2014, 04:21 PM

Still not been vetoed but I think 'I'm Not Your Hero' by Tegen & Sara came pretty close.

This one time though, Pavel decided to be a dick (as he is one to be) and spill that I was going for 'Ashes Of My Paradise' - which ended up as my 9th favourite song of last year - so then all of a sudden everybody was after it so I got beaten to it (but it got vetoed in the end so joke's on them). And he stole 'Hyperventilating' from me as well.

Basically, blame Pavel!

Posted by: gooddelta 2nd November 2014, 04:25 PM

I'm sure it wouldn't have got past Blonde's gigantic points total, it's not that special and I LOVE Lykke.

Posted by: Liаm 2nd November 2014, 04:45 PM

Ricki-Lee - Happy Ever After was vetoed this time and Lykke Li - No Rest For The Wicked a few months ago, the latter I almost wholly thought would be vetoed but I thought I'd give it a try and I had little else to enter that month! I didn't think the former would be (it wasn't a shock or anything I just thought it would be ok). My veto points fluctuate a lot, sometimes they'll be 0 and sometimes they'll be on like 10-15 oops! I sent Happy Ever After this month for example because it's my favourite song atm that wouldn't be an instant veto, tbf I forgot about Burn It Down coming top 10 (obviously I remember Raining Diamonds winning) despite it being one of my fave songs by her! She hasn't had any proper Aussie hits since Raining Diamonds except Do Ir Like That in 2012 so I thought it would be ok to send but then I remembered there was Burn It Down, then I went to look at the songs of BJSC thread and Parachute/Wiggle It were DNQs as well! So I guess it wasn't a huge shock.

As for stolen, I think the biggest one in my mind I was set on was Outta My Head by Diandra which iirc Jahq "stole" but it got veto'd anyway, although it was resent the following month by someone else and came 6th! Nabiha - Trouble was "stolen" initially I remember, but whoever sent it ahead of me re-confirmed so I got that one in the end and it was a top 10. I don't recall anything else being "stolen".

Posted by: Cody Slayberry 2nd June 2015, 05:50 AM

Bumping because I think this is SO important.

I think the only time it's almost happened to me was last month when Ultraviolence mentioned that she wanted to send in Katy Tiz, who was one of my potentials for that contest. While I already confirmed when she sent me her potentials (A-Trak - best decision EVER), it was still kinda baffling to see it get vetoed.

(Then again, close to top 50 in Australia is more veto-worthy than just scraping the top 100 in Canada)

Posted by: Henderella 2nd June 2015, 06:14 AM

I have no idea what you're even on about with that Kelly Sweet bitch :') And I found Hyperventilating on my own without your floppy self thanks hen

Basically, can't win on ha own so blaming everyone else for ha floppage. Poor hen :')

Posted by: J▼hnkm 2nd June 2015, 06:58 AM

In response to the thread title, YES AND YES. Many many times in both cases, oops.

I think I could be approaching double figures in terms of vetoes now, ha. And I've had a couple of entries (or at least artists) stolen by Hendinia, most recently Allie X last month. There was also a horrible month where my top 2 potentials, SZA and Man Without Country were both cruelly stolen from me too. Plus I lost out on sending Octahate last summer too (which was vetoed anyway) and back in 2012 I tried to send Fall 4 U (Feat. Glasser) too and more which I have forgotten.

Posted by: TheSpunGerGames 2nd June 2015, 08:28 AM

Not yet but who would want my floppy entries

Posted by: Vülker 2nd June 2015, 03:33 PM

Tried confirming SNBRN feat. Kerli but was too late and it then got vetoed. Yu got it the following month and won with it.
Then tried Give Me The Knife and it got vetoed too.

And last year I tried to confirm Karl x Johan's Flames and got vetoed as it won UP. I replaced it with 'Centrum' which I didn't know was another UP entry, oops.

Posted by: TheSpunGerGames 2nd June 2015, 03:56 PM

Ouch, you poor thing

Posted by: Robot 2nd June 2015, 04:14 PM

Sorry John!

My vetoed entries from memory:

- Stockholm Syndrome - Karma
- Purity Ring - Fineshrine
- Allie X - Catch
- Vanbot - Hold This Moment

I think that's it. I've been beaten to a few entries in the past though, 'Not That Kinda Girl' by Kim Lian/Linda Bengtzing, 'Give Me That O' by Rebecca Stella, and probably many more I can't remember.

Posted by: Robot 2nd June 2015, 04:49 PM

Oh, and 'The Cum Song'. Lol.

Posted by: Cody Slayberry 2nd June 2015, 05:48 PM

But you ended up getting Allie X into the contest anyway

Posted by: ✖ leww ✖ 11th April 2021, 01:13 PM

My only vetoed entry was:

Slayyyter - Mine (which I sent knowing it probably was going to be but if anyone was having it, it was me x)

And I lost my entry this month for what has to be the first time ever? LOL. So quite lucky in that regard!

Posted by: J00prstar 11th April 2021, 01:16 PM

like 10 times by now x

Posted by: Bré 11th April 2021, 01:18 PM

Lol since my original post in this thread I did get vetoed once (highly unjustly for the time might I add!!1) with 'Oh My Darling Don't Cry' by Run The Jewels. That one incident with TĀLĀ is still the only time I had an entry blocked and is still for the better xx (of course I now have access to the entry list which should prevent that from ever happening again, not that it's ever that likely to x)

Posted by: Ultra's Version 11th April 2021, 01:25 PM

I am the queen of this rn

this contest: the bitch that stole my entry better watch their back cos I've been wanting to send this artist since they've started their career, and then I lose out by 9 microseconds when this artist finally has a song worth sending xxx
last contest: Maisie Peters - John Hughes Movie - automatic veto, because as if she'd acc chart on week 1 with a song for the first time
contest before: Griff - Black Hole - veto - had zero idea it was doing well on Apple Music at the time
contest before: I could've snuck drivers license through based on the timing but who knows if it would've happened
contest before: Claudia Valentina - 4:15 - kye got there first!

I'd love to see how many veto's I've had over my time in this contest, it's been a lot I don't think I've ever lost too many songs though iirc

(2 I remember are Katy Tiz - Whistle (While You Work It), which I still think was unfair & shouldn't have been vetoed x, and Sabrina Carpenter - Thumbs, which I obvs sent as my anniversary entry at a later point and won with, as well as winning the contest thumbs was vetoed in with my replacement entry )

Posted by: Jade 11th April 2021, 01:38 PM

As mentioned in the other thread I was beaten to Koven - Get This Right which placed 3rd while my back-up was my biggest flop ever *_*! I think that's the only time I've been beaten to an entry. I've found other songs that have gone on to do really well but I was never planning on sending them anyway.

Kelela - 'LMK' is still my only veto due to blog coverage! That did end up getting its moment in a spin-off eventually.

Posted by: gooddelta 11th April 2021, 01:45 PM

I was vetoed with I Didn’t See It Coming by Belle & Sebastian - apparently the main reason is because they had had a recent top 40 UK album - although this song wasn’t on that I should have appealed against that one tbh, I still don’t think it’s a good enough reason to veto the song, which is hardly well known.

And then obviously Mette’s Petrified was vetoed last month but I wasn’t even first (or second) to get to that, and I knew I’d be chancing my luck with it anyway after seeing the blog hype around it.

Stolen is not a word I’d use, unless somebody saw a song in your potentials thread and swiped it, but there have been a couple of occasions people have been quicker off the mark than me, namely Goliath last year, which I didn’t actually even bother try to confirming because I got to the thread halfway through the week and knew it would be gone by then.

Posted by: awardinary 11th April 2021, 01:48 PM

I don’t think this has happened to me so far.

Also, I don’t think I’ve ever confirmed a song that someone else tried to enter too. Generally I guess that’s because I don’t always go for brand new releases, although this month’s is quite recent, so it’s plausible someone might have tried to enter it if they knew about it and liked it as I do.

Posted by: Cameron 11th April 2021, 01:48 PM

Yes. Last month was the first time

Posted by: awardinary 11th April 2021, 01:48 PM

Oh no Cam! What entry did you get vetoed?

Posted by: Cameron 11th April 2021, 01:49 PM

I meant stolen xo

I can’t remember any of my vetoes... Alice - Running With Lions and Arrhult - Kids Of Paris might be my only ones!

Posted by: Chez Wombat 11th April 2021, 01:50 PM

I have been beaten to one other entry since my last post here - IC3PEAK - Грустная Сука / Sad Bitch by Persephonia, a rare entry clash for us both! I recall we finished pretty close together in the end with my replacement so I suppose it worked out OK in the end!

Still never been vetoed after 90 contests (having had a snoop, I did come quite close with How I Became the Bomb, which charted on the Billboard and was a big viral hit, but it was a few months later after the hype had died down, as well as Kids of the Apocalypse and Steven Wilson, which were relatively recent releases with decent blog coverage and had past success in the contest)

Posted by: Cameron 11th April 2021, 01:52 PM

Rob trying to send the Cum Song was a moment!!!

Posted by: BiminiBonBoulex 11th April 2021, 03:56 PM

OR YOU COULD HAVE JUST NOT!

In case anyone hadn't picked up on it up until now, yes Mette - Petrified was me and I would have got a good result last month if Rich hadn't decided to try and switch to it out of the blue and yes I am still salty about it!

The only other time since 2014 that I remember being vetoed was when I was completely unaware that Kehlani was actually a known name and got blindsided with a veto for Undercover (and the Akon sample didn't help either!)

Posted by: uhsting 11th April 2021, 04:34 PM

Vetoed for the first time on Nuggets with Architect's Dead Butterflies. However, I feel like I will get vetoed for one of the potentials I send to BJSC this year though.

Posted by: gooddelta 11th April 2021, 05:10 PM

Oops, sorry! Genuinely as I was so intrigued as to how it would have done! I honestly wasn’t sure if anyone would have got to it yet. It wasn’t really out of the blue for me as I’d been considering the switch all week but was waiting to see what the blog coverage was looking like and was worried it was a bit cheap due to that. I wrongly thought I might be able to sneak it in anyway as it hadn’t been mentioned on BJ yet nor was in any personal charts!

Also, as a fourth person also confirmed it iirc, they would have triggered the 10 points anyway and it still would have been out! I got my karma by then switching to a DNQ anyway, I should have just switched back to my original entry, not that it would have been big but probably would have qualified.

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 11th April 2021, 05:17 PM

My only veto (I thinK) was Anita Dobson's reworking of the EastEnders theme, 'Anyone Can Fall in Love'

Posted by: Qween 11th April 2021, 06:28 PM

In an update to my previous post: I have had a lot more luck in terms of ''stolen'' entries recently, beating out competition for a number of recent hits including LOVA, Anna B, GRANT etc.
On the other hand, I have also been vetoed many, many times in the last 5/6 years, all in the spirit of keeping the mods busy of course.

Posted by: Dill Doe 11th April 2021, 06:40 PM

Never been vetoed. Brer can fact check that. Had a BUNCH of entries 'stolen', or confirmed before I could, such as Naked and Famous, Higher, another song that reached no.4, and a few others.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 11th April 2021, 09:11 PM

I believe that I did get vetoed once for trying to send The Orb's “Little Fluffy Clouds” and forgetting that it actually made the UK Top 10.

Of course last month I inadvertently entered the song that Bré was intending to send, which hopefully I am forgiven for - and in the first Unknown Pleasures I sent The Naked & Famous' “Young Blood” which I later found out Rich was hoping to send to BJSC (this was long before I ever took part). Generally however I think it is rare for my choices to be on anyone else's radar - probably because they have absolutely no chance, haha.

Posted by: gooddelta 11th April 2021, 10:23 PM

Funnily enough I was thinking about this yesterday, because Young Blood was on a 2011 German hits compilation I bought recently. Yes it’s true, I was planning to send it to BJSC in something like July 2010 (?) but you beat me to it in UP, such a great track.

Posted by: Linds. 11th April 2021, 10:57 PM

I remember math beating me to gravel to tempo by hayley kiyoko a few years ago. I've had a few vetos, hypnotic by zella day and Messiah by prides, I think I ended up being able to send the prior to bjfest or something and the latter to pfsc maybe tho. I did chance my luck the other month with rezz ft pvris sacrificial but aside from that I don't think I've been vetoed

Posted by: RobBot 12th April 2021, 12:36 AM

I fully don't even remember this but I'm howling, what a moment in time. What even IS The Cum Song?!

Posted by: Riser 12th April 2021, 01:00 AM

I've been vetoed one time with Warpaint - 'New Song'. I've also been beaten to an entry once (I don't want to call it "stolen" since it was done fairly) and one time I was beaten to an artist but with a different song.

Posted by: Cameron 12th April 2021, 08:37 AM

It was that random song someone played on Plug that sampled loads of songs! I distinctly remember Robyn singing ‘I just came’ over and over!

Posted by: Dobbo. 12th April 2021, 02:52 PM

Only been vetoed once with Virtual Self - Particle Arts. I was not expecting it and had to scramble for a replacement and that ended up being my only DNQ that year. I've had plenty of vetoes in Club Bizarre though strangely.

Don't think I've ever had an entry "stolen". Think the closest was possibly Disco Fries - Born Ready which I had as a potential for a good while and toyed with entering it but never properly considered doing so. Imagine my bemusement when it finished 4th

Posted by: Iz 💀 12th April 2021, 03:03 PM

Me also, up on 98. Don't think I'll ever be vetoed at this point, I'm just too skilled at avoiding the mainstream*. I mentioned a few times I came close in my first post in this thread but I think I can only recall one time since that my entry's even been under discussion (yes I have the ability to identify 'nearlies' I'm gonna) and that was back when I sent Japanese Breakfast - in which case the mods voted 0-4 in favour of keeping, largely because it only got flagged because of high blog coverage. I don't think I saw any of that blog coverage.

I was going to send Quintessa's YOASOBI entry the other month but saw that Leo had entered it first before I got around to it, other than that, don't think there's been anything else since my first post though I might be forgetting something.

*of course if I ever am vetoed, please quote this post and mock me.

Posted by: Cosmic Cody 12th April 2021, 06:23 PM

then there's me who has suffered through both but i feel like since 120 my entries have gotten progressively cheaper and more veto-challenging

is that a bad thing

Posted by: Bré 12th April 2021, 06:43 PM

Yes xx

Posted by: PeteFromLeeds 12th April 2021, 06:53 PM

I haven't had an entry vetoed yet but it could still happen! The only time my entry was stolen was Cerrone - The Impact, it particularly annoyed me at the time as I'd spent a good few hours searching through random stuff then came across that which just sounded like it would do well (and only had 10,000 views at the time too). Turns out it did very well - sadly not for Niceland It remains a tune though!

Posted by: Cosmic Cody 12th April 2021, 09:23 PM

then I’m doing my job correctly

That said I’m still bitter about St. Lucia - Help Me Run Away and YONAKA - Rockstar getting vetoed

Posted by: awardinary 10th August 2023, 11:59 PM

I could be completely mistaken but from glancing at the posts in recent contests during the confirmation window there seems to always be this mad rush to get the next big thing sent into this contest. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but is it always the same people getting vetoed due to lack of speedy confirmations? It seems like the “first come first served” method is a little harsh on some others who often seem to be subjected to rejected entries. I haven’t had this myself but I can’t say I haven’t noticed it increasingly more in recent months.

Posted by: Brer 11th August 2023, 12:09 AM

Entry clashes aren't vetoes, we just literally can't allow multiple people to send the same song, it would make no sense. I'm not sure how anything other than making it first come first serve would be less 'harsh'?

There are definitely people who get caught in these clashes more often than others but that's just because they stray less from sending safe obvious pop entries, that's just part of the game xx

Posted by: Travis 11th August 2023, 12:43 AM

I agree with this. If you're a part of this sorta "crowd pleaser" section of BJSC, you're going to have clashes. The pop hoes (and even the foreign pop hoes) all kinda pull from similar vibes, some months more than others, so first come first serve is the only real way to fairly do it.

Posted by: RobBot 11th August 2023, 09:59 AM

Haha, I definitely expect it

Between myself, John and Cody - if there's not a clash at least once a year, then something is up!

Posted by: King Rollo 11th August 2023, 10:09 AM

I did make a suggestion a few months ago that when the confirmation period starts, it's only open to countries that didn't qualify in the previous contest for the first six hours.

Posted by: gooddelta 11th August 2023, 10:09 AM

I have had an artist but not entry confirmed before I got to them I think - that was very recently with Brutalismus 3000 although I'd intended sending a different track to the one Addy sent.

There are others I thought about confirming but didn't as arrived at the thread late and knew people had already got there first - Smith & Thell's Goliath being a major one, that finished at No.2 in my end of year 2020 chart so was a bit of a miss on my part, especially considering what a big win it was for Hendinia. Also I was aware of Magic and considered it last month but to be fair I actually discovered it via Kath's chart, so figured Kath was probably set on sending it.

Posted by: uhsting 11th August 2023, 10:20 AM

2 years ago iirc, I wanted to send Emilie Adams - Monogamy the month after but POPHub beat me to it, and the next month I wanted to send MICHAELA - Tears in My Eyes but Ultraviolenceland beat me to it.

I don't think any of my potentials were stolen last year tbf, and definitely not this year so far, but it might happen with the hint of an Arabic bop being sent and I could see some of my entries lined up for next year being nabbed too

Posted by: RobBot 11th August 2023, 10:36 AM

You have entries lined up for 2024 in August of 2023, how or why is that?

Posted by: awardinary 11th August 2023, 10:47 AM

Again, this would only benefit those who DNQ'd the month before, but I can see how it might seem like a fair suggestion but it wouldn't solve the regular qualifying nations who battle it out each month for the same entries.

I genuinely feel like, as much of a painful extra task it would be for the host and/or moderators, that advanced notice ought to be given to eligible participating nations that the confirmation window will be opening exactly X hours time, and you must submit your entry once the green light is on at the specified time. Maybe even having a countdown/banner in the BJSC forum to show what dates the confirmation window opens. This could also be a useful visual reminder for voters too.

Posted by: uhsting 11th August 2023, 10:48 AM

I just have too many entries that I want to send to BJSC

Posted by: Cow P 11th August 2023, 11:29 AM

Last year, I sent Armin van Buuren & Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Not Giving Up On Love (Frontliner Extended Remix), but got vetoed because the original was sent at a spin-off iirc. Then I switched up with Gareth Emery (feat. Alex & Sierra) - We Were Young (Mhammed El Alami Remix), then again, Gareth being 3x at top five made the veto point quite big.

Finally, I ended up with my NQ frenchcore entry Re-Style & Cammie Robinson - One Last Dance.

Posted by: Yobnedor 11th August 2023, 12:45 PM

Constantly. And for reasons that many others seem to be able to slip through the net for as well…

Posted by: calxyum 11th August 2023, 12:49 PM

My worst month for this was the one where I initially entered Cake by Remi Wolf and it got vetoed (i was robbed). So I then entered LP Giobbi, only for someone else to have already confirmed them (albeit with a different song). So I then resorted to the Tensnake remix of Pray by MOTHERMARY, which would also have been disallowed had FARC(?) not switched it out for another entry last minute!

Posted by: gooddelta 11th August 2023, 01:12 PM

How often does it happen that there's a double confirmation and the first person who confirmed it later changes their entry?

In that case, would the mods/host let the second person know it's now free? I guess there's no obligation to do that really but the other person who wanted it would be miffed.

Then again, if something is so sought after and bound to do well I doubt anyone would be changing. Let's ignore my 36th place last month for a song a second person tried to confirm though! I guess 2/3 people after something still doesn't guarantee a hit.

Posted by: Dobbo 11th August 2023, 01:19 PM

But what if 3 days later the original entrant finds out their second choice is vetoed and now they can't switch back as their original choice is now taken? Murky waters there but would be interesting to know if this has ever happened and what the moderator protocol is!

Posted by: awardinary 11th August 2023, 01:49 PM

What about the option to confirm a first and second choice every contest? That way you always have a backup just in case the other fails?

Posted by: Dobbo 11th August 2023, 02:00 PM

And what if both fail?

Posted by: Oliver 11th August 2023, 02:11 PM

Then you’re a cheap ho

Posted by: RobBot 11th August 2023, 02:23 PM

Yeah, we’d inform the person who sent it 2nd and even if the 1st poster got vetoed with their second, it’s their fault for changing so they’d lose both.

There’s no rule book for this of course, but seems like the most agreeably fair way.

Posted by: Qween 11th August 2023, 02:25 PM

In a further update to my previous update in 2021, I’ve not had any entries “stolen”, however I’ve “missed out” on numerous songs through making the wrong decision, Dotter last month, Robin Packalen (Hard to Love), Nono (Lovesick), Honey. and many many more I can’t recall right now.

I don’t imagine such a thing is an OFFICIAL STAT, but surely I’m the most vetoed nation in BJSC history at this stage too.

Posted by: Qween 11th August 2023, 02:26 PM

This is how I ended up winning with Nova Millar *.*

FARC confirmed, changed entry, the wonderful Bre updated me accordingly and the rest is history.

Posted by: Silas 11th August 2023, 02:44 PM

I think this is slowly verging into solving a problem that doesn’t exist territory


For the absolute majority of entries every month, their first choice stands.

Posted by: gooddelta 11th August 2023, 02:56 PM

I always think, is it really the wrong decision if you've sent something you actually prefer in the end, even if it does a bit worse? Depends if the aim is to get the higher finishing position or to introduce people to something you like more. Of course, if you send something you actually like less than the alternative because you mistakenly assume it will do better, I can definitely see how that would be the wrong decision. And is why nowadays I try to avoid second guessing what people will like more instead of sending what I prefer - I have done that in the past and more often than not have been wrong

Posted by: awardinary 11th August 2023, 03:01 PM

But the fact this same thing happens each month suggests it is a bit of a problem no? Just ask those who've been affected and have made remarks in this thread. I think you could at least consider the suggestion of Rollo as well as being something to try. I mean yes it doesn't happen to everyone each time, but those who are constantly "bullied" into having to reconfirm because they weren't given ample warning or whatever does seem to me to be a bit harsh.

For the first time someone has said these words in this forum... I would like to hear from Cody and what he has to say!

Posted by: RobBot 11th August 2023, 03:10 PM

Speaking personally, as someone who frequently misses out on the entry they want (I think it’s happened twice this year?) - I find the competition to be quite fun? In a weird way. I fully knew the entry I missed out on this contest was going to be sought after, I was determined to “win the battle”… I ended up being two hours late

But ultimately I don’t think anything needs to be changed to accommodate for me in this scenario? I always try and have a Plan B and I accept that it’s my fault for my considering something that I knew would be sought after.

It can be disappointing to not get the entry you want but at the end of the day, it’s a competition fundamentally and I wouldn’t want to lose that aspect of things, cos I think that’s what makes the contest exciting, outside of just discovering new music.

Posted by: Calvin Maxwell 11th August 2023, 03:13 PM

When I got Mad Man stolen from me then thought I would DNQ with Saviour as a result 🙈

Posted by: calxyum 11th August 2023, 03:19 PM

As much as I am hyperbolic on here (it’s comedy!) it really is just meant to be fun so if someone does snap up a song before me, or if I am vetoed, then all it is is an opportunity to submit something else I like and see how it performs

Posted by: Iz 💀 11th August 2023, 03:26 PM

aye, I even wish sometimes people would take stuff from my potentials list.

so yeah, this to happen more often.

Posted by: uhsting 11th August 2023, 03:56 PM

I personally haven't been in a contest that requires the submission of a second choice but as a general rule of thumb it's good to always have a backup in case of some really unexpected reasons your first choice gets snatched.

I'm kinda indifferent about my potentials being sent. On one hand, some of the potentials at the top of my list represent my nation really well while on the other hand it is great to have someone send the entry to a wider audience so I can send something else for double the exposure my chart entries get.

Posted by: RobBot 11th August 2023, 04:01 PM

I’ve just realised that Cody has now beaten me to my entry twice this year, and the first time he wound up being disappointed because I beat him with my back up which was also supposedly his back up

Cheap pop fans stick together xx

Posted by: Qween 11th August 2023, 04:11 PM

It’s definitely the latter for me. I’ve not sent a song I don’t at least really like in a long time, but do sometimes still second guess myself on which will do better . It’s odd, in 2020/2022 I got it right nearly every time and I’m 2021/2023 I’ve got it wrong nearly every time. Qween of biennial good judgement *.*

Posted by: Calvin Maxwell 11th August 2023, 04:28 PM

bet, got any good J-pop recommendations?

Posted by: Calvin Maxwell 11th August 2023, 05:11 PM

if we wanna talk about song contest misfires I’m probably the king x

Posted by: Silas 11th August 2023, 06:02 PM

Are these misfires in the room with you now?

Posted by: calxyum 11th August 2023, 07:03 PM

Cody is playing us all with this self-deprecation act. It’s all a clever ruse to get us to shower these threads with his enviable scores and statistics. He knows what he’s doing and I’m onto him.

Posted by: calxyum 11th August 2023, 07:06 PM

meanwhile POPHub stats look like

Posted by: Calvin Maxwell 11th August 2023, 07:59 PM

the IVE effect 💅

Posted by: Anita Dump 11th August 2023, 11:23 PM

No - never been vetoed, ans that rumour that I have had more vetoes than entries is just a nasty rumour started by my haterz!!

Have had loads od songs taken though - including a winner!!!, that very same month I decided to send something else!!! - and most eecently a top 5!

Posted by: Brer 12th August 2023, 01:38 AM

I'm pretty sure what Phil meant by it being a problem that doesn't exist is that no one actually thinks it's unfair that entries are first come first serve - I certainly don't see anyone in this thread making that argument apart from you (and you even said that it hasn't affected you so I don't quite understand why you're suddenly trying to make it an issue on others' behalf! Especially when this has been the system for over a decade and a half with absolutely zero controversy as far as I recall). At worst it's something that can just be a little annoying if people don't see the thread quickly enough, but any alternative "solution" would just shift that annoyance to someone else (and imo be significantly more unfair).

As Phil also said though, the majority of the time people's first choice entries do stand (at least to face the veto framework). This month has been more heavy with entry clashes than the usual and even then there have been only 6 people whose first choice of entry was already taken out of 39 entrants so far. It's really not that hard to avoid entry clashes (certainly on a regular basis) if you're even moderately inspired with your entry choices, usually if a song is confirmed by multiple people then there's a pretty good reason to have suspected it might, e.g. the artist having a proven track record of BJSC success and/or the song being a new and relatively hyped release, as several of the people involved in the clashes this month have outright said. (There are occasionally less obvious clashes but it is what it is).

Re: giving advance notice of the time confirmations are opening, that is actually something that was more common in the contest years back and there's no reason hosts can't still do that now if they want to, but most have naturally drifted away from that to either just posting the date or dropping confirmations without any warning at all. I don't see any need to regulate this. If anything having the time advertised would surely only make this "problem" worse - if multiple people are going for the same song and show up to confirm at the earliest possible moment then you'll end up with songs having multiple confirmations within minutes if not seconds of each other (source: this did happen a lot of the time back in the day), at that point it could literally come down to who has faster Internet speed lol, I'd say that is just about the only way you could construe the first come first serve system as being unfair.

And re: the suggestion of asking people to provide backup entries... it's always good practice to have a backup entry in mind especially if you suspect your entry may be vetoed or double confirmed - I'd personally say if you think your entry will be vetoed then I wouldn't bother trying to send it to avoid wasting time but I understand that people often do get away with sending songs they think will be vetoed so I can't blame people for trying - but again this is just simply not a pressing enough issue to warrant any change to the system as it is, people do already get informed as quickly as reasonably possible if their entry was already taken.



Rob already addressed this pretty succinctly in http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=260272&view=findpost&p=7266984 but just to reiterate since you still seem to have grievances about this, entries containing samples are not now nor have they ever been a blanket veto. Containing a sample of a well-known song is worth 10 points on the veto framework which is not enough in its own right to even be discussed for vetoing (generally) let alone an automatic veto. Usually as long as the sample is fairly minimal and/or recontextualised in some way (e.g. being a different genre) it'll be fine provided there's not any other reason that the song may be considered veto-worthy, which was the case for all the ones you got vetoed with. Of course the veto framework is subjective so sure there will occasionally be songs that slip through that maybe shouldn't have been allowed, but that's why it's a collective decision of the entire mod team and not decided by one person.

Samples aside, the only other entries of yours I remember being vetoed were ones which were literally in the current UK charts which is absolutely a 100% no-go for everyone!



I hope this is true because the alternative is a truly stunning lack of self awareness x

Posted by: Brer 12th August 2023, 01:42 AM

mod hat rambling aside

It's been pretty rare for potentials of mine to ever show up in the contest for other people as well, although there was actually a rare back to back case of that... right around the time this thread was last bumped so not sure why I didn't post about it then, with Chestoria sending 'football game' by Sophie Cates (fka Silver Sphere) in BJSC 132 then Cumulonimbia sending 'SHADOW' by BABii in BJSC 133, both of which I'd iirc considered sending to the following contest, I think I actually did confirm 'football game' myself in BJSC 131 before switching and deciding to keep it for a future contest. And both times my actual entry in those contests finished higher so bullets dodged I guess. Although I still think 'football game' in particular was completely robbed, I listened to it again the other day randomly and it's still a full fat banger.

Since then I think the closest thing I've had to a "stolen" entry was Utopia sending Ibibio Sound Machine who I'd considered sending a few songs by for some time but just never got around to it. Probably should have. I did send 'Give Me A Reason' by them to the PopJustice contest though and it was one of my biggest hits there so I can still claim them to some extent.

These days I don't often even have more than one potential entry lined up at a time so I guess that doesn't help. x

Posted by: Iz 💀 12th August 2023, 08:25 AM

so so many but to name the obvious ones that I could enter but often shy away from when I see their literal million view videos YOASOBI, Aimer, Kenshi Yonezu, Ryoukuoushoku Shakai, more Ado songs lol, more Wednesday Campanella songs lol, thought about Official Hige Dandism at some point.

though I have been trying to keep a Belgium-like streak going of alternating between a Japanese entry and a non-Japanese one so I don't typecast myself too hard

Posted by: Harve 12th August 2023, 08:50 AM

The entries were generally less inspired in the early days and back in like 2009 we had a 'potentials' thread where we reserved 5 artists on a first-come-first-served basis before confirmations actually opened. If I'm remembering that right.

Not too sure what the point of that was.

Posted by: Calvin Maxwell 12th August 2023, 06:23 PM

It happened again and I feel like I’m DNQing this time

Talk Deep part 2

Posted by: Doctor Blind 12th August 2023, 07:00 PM

Yeah well-known samples can def get through the Veto with no issues.. I sent Daniel Bortz's “You Can Stay Forever” to 135 which has a sample of Alicia Keys “No One”.

In 153 both Kath and blacksquare got to Art School Girlfriend before I did, and I don't think I've mentioned in here that in 129 (when I planned to come back to BJSC during the pandemic) Jonjo got to TSHA “Sister” before me, which finally got a video in February this year and deserved to do so much better than it did in the contest!

Posted by: Calvin Maxwell 12th August 2023, 08:43 PM

didn’t Pav get away with sending something that samples The Edge Of Glory at one point

Posted by: Brer 12th August 2023, 08:57 PM

Yes, and these are both clear examples of the kind of entries where samples are not considered to be an issue, they were both completely different genres to the original songs, only used a fairly small sample and were by pretty unknown artists.

Posted by: Addy! 12th August 2023, 08:59 PM

My Neck, My Back

Posted by: Brer 12th August 2023, 09:11 PM

...was also a completely different genre to the original song and by an unknown artist x (although that one was a bit more questionable)

we're getting a bit off topic here now anyway, this thread isn't 'list every entry that's ever contained a sample' x

Posted by: awardinary 12th August 2023, 09:15 PM

Just wanted to thank you for a succinct explanation there Bré. I guess there really is nothing more to add to that, and sorry for making an issue out of something that does not directly affect me.

Posted by: Addy! 12th August 2023, 11:27 PM

I agree...and I wasn't asking for any explanations in all honesty, but I just remembered I sent that song sampling Khia's and felt the urge to post it!!!