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BuzzJack Music Forum _ Sugababes _ Sugababes name ownership saga - Chapter 913815
Posted by: Silas Jan 13 2017, 07:34 PM
An eagled eyed fan on one of the Facebook groups has spotted the status of the Sugababes trademark has changed
https://tmdb.eu/trademark/009079377/eu/en/sugababes
The status is now "Registration cancellation pending"
This means that either crown has requested a cancellation of the trademark (probably in negotiations with Keisha) or Keisha's evidence submission to the EU was f***ing solid gold plated shit that suggests Crown applied for the trademark under false circumstances and should never have been the legal owner of it (i.e. Crown & the replacements never had the rights to the name. I had been thinking that any contract that gave up rights to the name that was signed before the origibabes all turned 18 would be easily contested in court under English Common Law)
Posted by: Silas Jan 13 2017, 07:56 PM
Done some digging.
Keisha has filed a cancellation order on Crown's trademark on the grounds that they haven't used it in 5 years. The EUTM have accepted Keisha's claim under the relevant set of rules and Crown have until 8/4/17 to prove to the EUTM that they have been using it within the last 5 years. Failure to submit evidence means the trademark will automatically be revoked. They'll also revoke if there are no "proper reasons for non-use".
Freedom was released 25th September 2011 meaning it's more than 5 years since any activity under the Sugababes brand and Crown have basically no legitimate grounds to hold onto the trademark.
So the name will return to our lord and saviours hands allowing them to come back this year 
Posted by: tommie Jan 14 2017, 12:30 AM
KEISHA will come and save the day!
(I bet she's the one who's personally reporting all those YouTube videos)
Posted by: Davidson Jan 14 2017, 12:07 PM
Yaaaaasssss
Posted by: mr_pmt Jan 16 2017, 11:44 PM
It'd be remarkable if they actually started releasing music under that name again. 
Posted by: ___∆___ Jan 25 2017, 02:55 AM
Love love love that Keisha is so hell bent on (rightfully) getting the Sugababes trademark - if she's fought this hard for the name it makes me excited as to what could possibly be in the pipeline.
Posted by: Emperor Silas Apr 7 2017, 10:47 AM
Deadline is tomorrow and there has been no rebuttal submission by Crown as of yet. If nothing is received the trademark is automatically killed.
Keisha has also been very Keisha and tied her cancelation notice to the opposition Crown made to her application. If Crown lose the trademark then there is no opposition to Keishas trademark request and it will be granted.
Can almost taste the victory
Posted by: tommie Apr 8 2017, 02:12 PM
Well it's today.
Posted by: Emperor Silas Apr 8 2017, 07:04 PM
Indeed! Probably won't find out until next week for sure, but there's no documents to show a submission by crown yet
Posted by: tommie Apr 10 2017, 03:02 AM
OHMAHGERRD
It's a new week - I hope Keish, Keish keeps us posted!
Posted by: Simon. Apr 10 2017, 03:12 PM
Now just have to wait for Siobhan to have her baby.
Posted by: Emperor Silas Apr 10 2017, 04:19 PM
So exciting for her!!
That depends. They aren't known for vigourous stage productions are they? Nothing stopping a pregnant siobhan sitting on the GMTV sofa chatting about the new babes album and getting compliments on how radiant she looks.
Sure we're now more likely to get music in 2018 but hey TIMW was recorded while Muts was pregnant and Tahlia wasn't that old when Push the Button was released
Posted by: tommie Apr 11 2017, 05:41 AM
That depends. They aren't known for vigourous stage productions are they? Nothing stopping a pregnant siobhan sitting on the GMTV sofa chatting about the new babes album and getting compliments on how radiant she looks.
Sure we're now more likely to get music in 2018 but hey TIMW was recorded while Muts was pregnant and Tahlia wasn't that old when Push the Button was released
Don't worry, Keisha will have a talk with Siobhan...
Posted by: tommie Apr 11 2017, 08:43 AM
"Stop being pregnant" - Queen Keisha to poor Peasant Siobhan
"STOP PRESSURING HER" - Mutya tp Queen Keisha.
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Posted by: Emperor Silas Apr 11 2017, 11:25 AM
Crown have applied for an extension 🙃🙃🙃
Some bullshit about licensing agreements and taking time to produce evidence. Hope they're denied. Scum just need to give up the name once and for all
Posted by: Davidson Apr 11 2017, 12:53 PM
Crown need to get a grip.
Fantastic news for Siobhan though.
Posted by: tommie Apr 11 2017, 01:32 PM
Siobhan can stop being pregnan - which annoys Keisha - until the latest paper ends. Yay!
Posted by: tommie Apr 11 2017, 02:27 PM
Fantastic news for Siobhan though.
Posted by: tommie Apr 11 2017, 09:29 PM
I'm sure Keisha's beyond happy about Shiivy-Shov's news though.
Posted by: Catderella Apr 13 2017, 09:02 PM
i think this is my favourite internet creation ever
Posted by: Silas Apr 25 2017, 10:07 AM
Crown got their bullshit extension 🙃🙄
Posted by: Tombo Apr 25 2017, 10:35 AM
Why do Crown even need the name? It's not like they're doing anything with it..
Posted by: tommie Apr 25 2017, 11:31 AM
Spite.
Posted by: Silas Apr 25 2017, 04:50 PM
Pretty much. Probably a bit of entitlement and misogyny thrown in
Posted by: tommie Apr 25 2017, 08:01 PM
In a way, I'm happy Siobhan is pregnant if Crown are going to drag out this mess longer. At least she can get that out of the way if they ever do plan to come back.
Posted by: Silas Apr 25 2017, 08:57 PM
They will be back, you can see Keisha doing the necessary leg work on her snapchat to keep them ticking over.
This will ensure Siobhan has given birth before a comeback though which is a bonus. Although lets be honest even if Keisha had won this month they wouldn't be back before Siobhan popped.
Probably looking at Q4 or Q1 2018 to allow Shiv to give birth and for the legal shite to be sorted.
Posted by: tommie Apr 25 2017, 11:58 PM
Yet again:
Keish-Keish has got this betches. I still crack up at the last shot in this series so I have to post it again and again.
Posted by: Silas Apr 26 2017, 08:21 AM
I just love the mental image it gives of Keisha tearing the director a new one then immediately screaming "places, take 15, don't f*** it up this time john camera 1 on me and swooping from the right. From the top" *about you now plays*
She was in meetings yesterday no doubt getting an update on the schnanigans
Posted by: Silas May 28 2017, 03:33 PM
June 8th just around the corner! No evidence submitted yet and the EU won't grant another. If its not submitted on time then Keisha wins automatically.
Keisha and Mutya have had a couple of meetings recently things look like they are ticking over nicely and Shiv looks v.v.prego.
If they win we'll start to hear news a little after that I think by way of a statement to the fans. Likely a "We've got our name back! Ta for keeping with us. Sooooooon. We love you. Soon. Shiv is up the duff. Soon. Music will be released when Shiv pops. Soon"
Posted by: tommie May 28 2017, 04:13 PM
I'm assuming Siobhan's at least six months along? To be fair, she couldn't have picked a better time to get preggers as in if they win they'll still be several months away from releasing. I'm assuming that in the best case scenario we'll see a something in early 2018.
I once joked about how I hoped they would release something before I turned 30... well, I was 27 then and I'm 33 now. Whoops!
Posted by: Silas May 28 2017, 04:42 PM
She looks like she's 6-7 months in yeah. I think we might see them in the studio and stuff again this year. I doubt we will get a Q4 release though, too competitive. Q1 I agree is much more likely.
Hopefully they get it done before my 30th! (I'm also saying this as a 27 year old)
Posted by: Silas Jun 8 2017, 10:41 PM
Documents submitted on time, but marked as confidential on Trademark site. So we'll just have to wait.
Posted by: Silas Jul 9 2017, 07:51 PM
Crown have submitted around 450 pages of evidence. This has now been provided to Keisha's legal team. They have until mid September to respond.
Luckily by the time this is all sorted and wrapped up Q1 2018 will be here, Siobhan will be coming towards the end of her maternity and things can FINALLY get f***ing moving again.
Posted by: tommie Jul 10 2017, 01:43 PM
450 pages of evidence isn't a good sign for Crown - normally if you were confident you'd keep things short, even in legal matters. It would be interesting to see what those pages contains.
Posted by: Silas Jul 10 2017, 05:18 PM
Purely speculation but I would imagine that it contains full copies of their contracts with Spotify and Apple et al for using the name and the back catalogue. Those'll be lengthy. There's probably the record deal with Island and the three album distribution deal with Sony that never actually released anything they'll no doubt claim is active.
A legal strategy is to bury people in paperwork and hope they can't afford to continue because of the cost of wading, try and run the clock out or get them to see the submission and give up. They've clearly forgotten what it's like to work with Keisha.
Think you're very much correct about the submission length. The fact they had to get an extension isn't a good sign for them either
Posted by: tommie Jul 11 2017, 03:40 PM
We all know that Keisha will give them hell.
Go girl!
Posted by: Bairlas Aug 2 2017, 07:24 PM
Oh yeah. Latest update.
This is currently suspended due to a legal case involving Crown and Keisha in the UK Courts. I can't find Crown vs Buchanan anywhere and the Civil Courts aren't the most transparent about what is on their docket 
so who knows. I am assuming that Keisha is suing them or something in the UK Court for ownership of the name.
Posted by: David Aug 6 2017, 04:40 PM
I was a big fan of all six Sugababes, however why are MKS persisting with this legal action? Whichever members release a song as the "Sugababes" will do f*** all commercially anyway, so if they're making music for the fans/their own enjoyment, why don't they just get on with it under the MKS name instead? It's four years since 'Flatline' fell flat in a chart that was far easier to get a hit out of and I certainly don't see a Sugababes 5.0/1.0 doing any better. And 'Flatine' was a seriously GOOD song. Hope I'm wrong!
Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner Aug 20 2017, 03:53 PM
More twists and turns than a Stephen King novel.... all the paperwork apart from the initial notification of cancelation have been removed from the European Trademark site
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