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Should Scotland leave the UK?
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post Sep 17 2014, 05:57 AM
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well it's about time we had a BuzzPoll about this Scotland situation. There's also 2 polls, one for people who are actually Scottish and one for outsiders.

I've voted for no.
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post Sep 17 2014, 06:39 AM
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I am voting Yes tomorrow. So I've voted No in this poll because I don't think we should stay in the UK
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post Sep 17 2014, 06:48 AM
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oh crap I asked the wrong question drama.gif

can a mod please change it to 'should Scotland leave the UK' happy.gif

and my answer is no.
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post Sep 17 2014, 07:15 AM
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Done. I've changed my answer to Yes accordingly.
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post Sep 17 2014, 07:47 AM
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Voted NO. I'll be glad when Friday comes as I'm sick to death of hearing about it. Even Crimewatch was moved last night for another interview.
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post Sep 17 2014, 08:27 AM
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no 2 nationalism
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post Sep 17 2014, 09:10 AM
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Dont live in Scotland voted Yes though!
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post Sep 17 2014, 10:38 AM
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I don't live in Scotland but I voted 'no' because it's ridiculous that the idea of independence has even been entertained.
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post Sep 17 2014, 11:00 AM
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I can understand some reasons for Scotland wanting to be Independent but I think in the long run it's not a wise idea. And on a personal level, I really enjoy having Scotland as part of our Union, it's a great place and will be sad be separated by it.
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post Sep 17 2014, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(Joe. @ Sep 17 2014, 03:00 PM) *
I can understand some reasons for Scotland wanting to be Independent but I think in the long run it's not a wise idea. And on a personal level, I really enjoy having Scotland as part of our Union, it's a great place and will be sad be separated by it.

And if Scotland becomes independent, what will stop you from going there? Still EU, so still freedom of movement etc.
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post Sep 17 2014, 11:39 AM
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Where is the 'both sides are cunts and while I like democracy, I almost wish the referendum was never a thing' option? A 'actually it doesn't really matter' would be great too.
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post Sep 17 2014, 11:57 AM
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The fact that independence is even 'entertained' is because the British state has been so fractured by the Thatcherite project in the past 30 years communities have no solidarity and unequal!
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post Sep 17 2014, 12:41 PM
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I am one of those voters that prefers to stick to the motto 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it', so I would be voting No.
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post Sep 17 2014, 12:54 PM
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I support the idea of independence for Scotland.
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post Sep 17 2014, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(Conderella @ Sep 17 2014, 12:07 PM) *
And if Scotland becomes independent, what will stop you from going there? Still EU, so still freedom of movement etc.


That's besides the point. Of course I'll still happily visit, but I still think it makes a difference if somewhere is part of your country or not. There will be lots of differences, minor and major, the currency, passports, our flag - even the charts, surely?. Northern Ireland and Ireland feel completely divided, and it'll be a shame to have to look at Scotland similarly as a 'foreign country' when I've grown up knowing it as a principality/country of part of the same country that I live in.

This is all on a totally selfish and sentimental level though. Like I said, I do understand a lot of the reasons why the Scottish population may wish to be separated.


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post Sep 17 2014, 02:16 PM
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I only moved to Scotland last week (!) and would vote no if I could as I feel that an independent Scotland is far too idealistic and would have many more cons than pros in reality.

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post Sep 17 2014, 02:16 PM
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Alot of it is to do with the effects of Thatcherism and rampant neo-liberal economics on scotland ove rthe past 40 years which have split communities and caused inequalities!

btw im from Belfast and N.Ireland and the South dont feel divided to me other than the obv constitutuional issues!


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post Sep 17 2014, 02:43 PM
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the rose-tinted view that before Thatcher there were happy communities living in harmony and a nation united in equality is not entirely accurate. I was there. I lived it. Want to know what it was like 50 years ago? Watch Cilla, the TV drama part 1, that's a pretty accurate (if slightly more upmarket) idea of life then. I lived in Liverpool then. The rich don't give anything up willingly, they are forced into it by the ballotbox. The working class have been on the back foot since Thatcher, but that doesn't mean it will always be so.

I'm all in favour of fairness and equality and better living conditions for all, but I'm going to say it again - my relations and friends living on benefits today are much better off than the ordinary working class people of 50 years ago in so many ways. They're just not as well off as the rich job-huggers or those in gainful employment. That's not to belittle the horrific unemployment scars that it causes (been there done that for nearly 3 years) or the dreariness of working low-paid in factories (ditto, been there done that 3 years) or having to suffer the uncertainty of temporary working contracts (ditto been there done that 3 years), I just don't agree that life in 2014 is in some way worse than it used to be further back than the years leading up to 2008. It is for some (the unemployed, students with a debt albatross to pay off, those on a basic pension), and they are the ones we all need to be fighting for on a united front, but most are better off than 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. Would I go back to 1964 and prefer to live then? No chance! 2014 is way way better for people. Not for the planet, but that's another issue....
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post Sep 17 2014, 02:47 PM
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The idea that just because 'the establishment' are opposed to something it's necessarily a good idea is absurdly flawed.
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post Sep 17 2014, 04:28 PM
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Most of it is to do with not wanting to be controlled by England, and mainly the Tories. Which is why I find the Yes campaign laughable that they still want to use the Pound!
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